I downloaded a form, if you will of it from LimeWire today, and after glancing through it a bit, I was just amazed with the detail in it. With the pronunciation key (pertaining to how letters and words are said), the consistant warning (pretty much every page has this) of how dangerous this text is, to how in some incantations a verse is left out for your protection, this seems real to me. I also know that Cthulu was a monster in H.P. Lovecraft's (he was a horror writer for those who don't know) universe, and it may just be a very surreal story fabricated to seem real to the casual reader.
My question I pose to you is do you believe it to be real or is it just a example of how good somebody's imagination can be?
I think it's a wounderfull pice of fiction, writen by a man with a very good understing of the occult, nothing more.
The book of the dead from The Evil Dead movies...Lmao they are so funny..Buts thats all it is..a pleasent fiction
Necronomicon was also in alot of H.P.Lovecrafts stories
As I read this text over, the element of "danger" is apparent. My question after reading parts of it a second time, is if this book is sooo bad, why could I access it soo easily (got this from LimeWire, a public sharing program) and why does it say that some parts of incantations are "left out" for my "protection"? Perhaps Lovecraft threw together a bunch of Middle-Eastern sounding words and thought for some form of paranoid safety he only gives you 1 or two verses in fear of a "what if this actually does something" possibility.
Another flaw I found was that it says there is no effective banishings, yet, If I scroll up, there was a bunch of supposed Sumerian words for things such as "begone" or "go to the desert" (which it explains is a form of exorcism). Then it states that the only real thing that can protect you really is some prayer or something from your own religion (specifically the Lord's Prayer; but didn't Sumerians predate the entire concept of Christianity?)
Some of the spells are in english, but logically, if these entities are supposedly millenia old, then how could they understand english when the language itself wasn't even in the Middle Eastern region until much later in civilization?
those are just more of my thoughts.
Dude, It's fiction. End of story.
Your gonna hear stories about how someone did this or that, Bullshit.
Lovecraft wrote it (although he never admited it). It's cute, I read it for laughs, often refering to it as the "necrocomicbook"
It's a good read, I don't like to read really but it caught my intrests...
The only warning I seen was on the very 1st page when you open it up...
i have a couple of books on this.... needless to say i don't refer to them as a
help as to look anything up in....lol
just a book to scroll though to see what it was all about....lol well not much to it....lol
they where cheap....lol and if they where of any value to them..... i wouldn't have gotten them....know why...lol they would of costed lots of money..... and every one would have been wanting it....and in the top ten books to buy......lol next to the bible......lol ^_^
the biggest waste of paper to ever sit on an occult shelf....
love lovecrafts work....amazing writer.....
but trying to say it is real is about as intelligent as basing a religion on L.Ron hubbards scribbles...oh...wait...been done....still doesn't make it worth a spit
i don't believe that the "store-bought" version of the necronomicon is a legit version. however i do believe that a book of the dead exists and has some merit as legitimate "theological" transcript.a "recipe" book if you will. i mean the "bible" talks of the arc of the covenant and it's powers...untapped as they may be.but i give merit to such beliefs...to assume different is a bold statement
The Necronomicon has about as much truth as a Harry Potter book. This isn't said in jest, there are real occult elements in Harry Potter. They're just drowned in fiction.
I think there is a real book, needless to say if you got one from Borders it's not it. The original is not the one that is of any concern to anyone, i belive the book of the dead (the one that is so sought after) was made in the late thirties. not sure on that one but, i'm sure there's a real book that all this fuss was made over. Remember every good bit of fiction is derrived from some truth. Sometimes the best "fiction" is the truth. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; Bible----->Necronomicon
i have never read it but by the general opinion of this form i think its fiction
Like always lot of people speak but have no take renseignement on it !!!!
the " Necronomicon " was written by Abdul
Alhazred
The Necronomicon was written in Damascus in 730 A.D. by Abdul Alhazred
and he have exist the problem now is for find a original version is impossible it s not a myth is real.
I m not sure after if we can consider it like magic book or other ........
if you are reallly intrresting on it and want to know more
i purpose to take a look at this site :
http://www.digital-brilliance.com/necron/necron.htm
First : what is the necronomicon :
The Necronomicon of Alhazred, (literally: "Book of Dead Names") is not, as is popularly believed, a grimoire, or sorcerer's spell-book. It was conceived as a history, and hence "a book of things now dead and gone". An alternative derivation of the word Necronomicon gives as its meaning "the book of the customs of the dead", but again this is consistent with the book's original conception as a history, not as a work of necromancy.
The author of the book shared with Madame Blavatsky a magpie-like tendency to garner and stitch together fact, rumour, speculation, and complete balderdash, and the result is a vast and almost unreadable compendium of near-nonsense which bears more than a superficial resemblance to Blavatsky's The Secret Doctrine.
In times past the book has been referred to guardedly as Al Azif , and also The Book of the Arab. Azif is a word the Arabs use to refer to nocturnal insects, but it is also a reference to the howling of demons (Djinn). The Necronomicon was written in seven volumes, and runs to over 900 pages in the Latin edition.
second : who was abdul alhazred ?
Little is known. What we do know about him is largely derived from the small amount of biographical information in the Necronomicon itself. He was born in Sanaa in the Yemen. We know that he travelled widely, from Alexandria to the Punjab, and was well read. He spent many years alone in the uninhabited wilderness to the south of Arabia. He had a flair for languages, and boasts on many occasions of his ability to read and translate manuscripts which defied lesser scholars. His research methodology however smacked more of Nostradamus than Herodotus.
As Nostradamus himself puts it in Quatrains 1 & 2:
"Sitting alone at night in secret study;
it is placed on the brass tripod.
A slight flame comes out of the emptiness
and makes successful that which should
not be believed in vain.
The wand in the hand is placed
in the middle of the tripod's legs.
With water he sprinkles both the hem
of his garment and his foot.
A voice, fear; he trembles in his robes.
Divine splendour; the god sits nearby."
Just as Nostradamus used ceremonial magic to probe the future, so Alhazred used similar techniques (and an incense composed of olibanum, storax, dictamnus, opium and hashish) to clarify the past, and it is this, combined with a lack of references, which has resulted in the Necronomicon being dismissed as largely worthless by historians.
He is often referred to as "the mad Arab" or "the mad Poet", and while he was certainly eccentric by modern standards, there is no evidence to substantiate a claim of madness (other than his chronic inability to sustain a train of thought for more than a few paragraphs before leaping off at a tangent). It is interesting that the word for madness ("majnun") has an older meaning of "djinn possessed", the significance of which will become clear below (see What are the Old Ones?). Alhazred is better compared with figures such as the Greek neoplatonist philosopher Proclus (410 - 485 A.D.). Proclus was completely at home in astronomy, mathematics, philosophy, and metaphysics, but was sufficiently well-versed in the magical techniques of theurgy to evoke Hekate to visible appearance. Proclus was also an initiate of Egyptian and Chaldean mystery religions. It is no accident that Alhazred was intimately familar with the works of Proclus
third : is it possible to find it ?
Nowhere with certainty, is the short and simple answer, and once more we must suspect Crowley in having a hand in this. In 1912 Crowley met Theodor Reuss, the head of the German Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O), and worked within that order for several years, until in 1922 Reuss resigned as head in Crowley's favour. Thus we have Crowley working in close contact for 10 years with the leader of a German masonic group. In the years from 1933-38 the few known copies of the Necronomicon simply disappeared; someone in the German government of Adolf Hitler took an interest in obscure occult literature and began to obtain copies by fair means or foul.
Dee's translation disappeared from the Bodleian following a break-in in the spring of 1934. The British Museum suffered several abortive burglaries, and the Wormius edition was deleted from the catalogue and removed to an underground repository in a converted slate mine in Wales (where the Crown Jewels were stored during the 1939-45 war). Other libraries lost their copies, and today there is no library with a genuine catalogue entry for the Necronomicon. The current whereabouts of copies of the Necronomicon is unknown, but there is a story of a large wartime cache of occult and magical documents in the mountainous Osterhorn area near Salzburg - this may be connected with the recurring story of a copy bound in the skin of concentration camp victims.
quatro : what we can on it ?
The book is best known for its antediluvian speculations. Alhazred appears to have had access to many sources now lost, and events which are only hinted at in Genesis or the apocryphal Book of Enoch, or disguised as mythology in other sources, are explored in great detail. Alhazred may have used dubious magical techniques to clarify the past, but he also shared with the 5th. century B.C. Greek writers such as Thucydides a critical mind, and a willingness to explore the meanings of mythological and sacred stories. His speculations are remarkably modern, and this may account for his current popularity. He believed that many species besides the human race had inhabited the Earth, and that much knowledge was passed to mankind in encounters with beings from "beyond the spheres" or from "other spheres". He shared with some Neoplatonists the belief that the stars are similar to our sun, and have their own unseen planets with their own lifeforms, but elaborated this belief with a good deal of metaphysical speculation in which these beings were part of a cosmic hierarchy of spiritual evolution. He was also convinced that he had contacted beings he called the "Old Ones" using magical invocations, and warned of terrible powers waiting to return to re-claim the Earth. He interpreted this belief (most surprisingly!) in the light of the Apocalypse of St. John, but reversed the ending so that the Beast triumphs after a great war in which the earth is laid waste
and for finish :
Why did the novelist H.P. Lovecraft claim to have invented the Necronomicon?
The answer to this interesting question lies in two people: the poet and magician Aleister Crowley, and a Brooklyn milliner called Sonia Greene. There is no question that Crowley read Dee's translation of the Necronomicon in the Bodleian, probably while researching Dee's papers; too many passages in Crowley's "Book of the Law" read like a transcription of passages in that translation. Either that, or Crowley, who claimed to remember his life as Edward Kelly in a previous incarnation, remembered it from his previous life!
Why doesn't Crowley mention the Necronomicon in his works? He was surprisingly reticent about his real sources. There is a strong suspicion that '777', which Crowley claimed to have written, was largely plagiarised from Allan Bennet's notes. His spiritual debt to Nietzsche, which in an unguarded moment Crowley refers to as "almost an avatar of Thoth, the god of wisdom" is studiously ignored; likewise the influence of Richard Burton's "Kasidah" on his doctrine of True Will.
I suspect that the Necronomicon became an embarrassment to Crowley when he realised the extent to which he had unconsciously incorporated passages from the Necronomicon into "The Book of the Law".
In 1918 Crowley was in New York. As always, he was trying to establish his literary reputation, and was contributing to The International and Vanity Fair. Sonia Greene was an energetic and ambitious Jewish emigre with literary ambitions, and she had joined a dinner and lecture club called "Walker's Sunrise Club" (?!); it was there that she first encountered Crowley, who had been invited to give a talk on modern poetry.
It was a good match. In a letter to Norman Mudd, Crowley describes his ideal woman as
"... rather tall, muscular and plump, vivacious, ambitious, energetic, passionate, age from thirty to thirty five, probably a Jewess, not unlikely a singer or actress addicted to such amusements. She is to be 'fashionable', perhaps a shade loud or vulgar. Very rich of course."
Sonia was not an actress or singer, but qualified in other respects. She was earning what, for that time, was an enormous sum of money as a designer and seller of woman's hats. She was variously described as "Junoesque", "a woman of great charm and personal magnetism", "genuinely glamorous with powerful feminine allure", "one of the most beautiful women I have ever met", and "a learned but eccentric human phonograph". In 1918 she was thirty-five years old and a divorcee with an adolescent daughter. Crowley did not waste time as far as women were concerned; they met on an irregular basis for some months.
In 1921 Sonia Greene met the novelist H.P. Lovecraft, and in that same year Lovecraft published the first novel where he mentions Abdul Alhazred ("The Nameless City"). In 1922 he first mention the Necronomicon ("The Hound"). On March 3rd. 1924, H.P. Lovecraft and Sonia Greene married.
We do not know what Crowley told Sonia Greene, and we do not know what Sonia told Lovecraft. However, consider the following quotation from "The Call of Cthulhu" [1926]:
"That cult would never die until the stars came right again [precession of the Equinoxes?], and the secret priests would take Cthulhu from His tomb to revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth. The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild, and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstacy and freedom."
It may be brief, it may be mangled, but it has the undeniable ring of Crowley's "Book of the Law". It is easy to imagine a situation where Sonia and Lovecraft are laughing and talking in a firelit room about a new story, and Sonia introduces some ideas based on what Crowley had told her; she wouldn't even have to mention Crowley, just enough of the ideas to spark Lovecraft's imagination. There is no evidence that Lovecraft ever saw the Necronomicon, or even knew that the book existed; his Necronomicon is remarkably close to the spirit of the original, but the details are pure invention, as one would expect. There is no Yog-Sothoth or Azathoth or Nyarlathotep in the original, but there is an Aiwaz...
oky it's all if you want more information take a look at the internet link i have post before.
I hope all of this can help you.
and the necronomicon was exist not a myth.
i beleave in the book i know exist but i dont what nothing to do with and beleave me if i dont have to mess with it i will be a happy vampire
well The Necronomicon is pure fiction, its a waste of good work, and it might undermining the real books of occultisme and so on.
well i'm of the opinion that sonik may be right....alongside Luc....yes lucious...i'm agreeing with you....
what is commonly called the necronomicon is useless garbage....
but there is always the possibility of the actual article lying in a dusty bookshelf somewheres....
but then again I rarely discount possibility
the Necronomicon is a book of evil lore which first appeared in the works of the writer H. P. Lovecraft (1890-1937). This book became so popular that people started to write more stories featuring it, creating hoaxes, and finally writing entire Necronomicons (at the present writing, almost a dozen have appeared). The most popular of these is the Simon Necronomicon, first published in 1977, which is mainly Sumerian mythology with a little Lovecraft and Aleister Crowley thrown in for good measure. Another, the Hay Necronomicon, came out in 1978 and claimed to be a deciphered work by the Elizabethan thinker Doctor John Dee. None of these date to the specified period, and some (such as the Hay work) have been admitted to be hoaxes.
personally thats my thought on the bible, but ya know.
oooh ooooh i know this one!
It's
I.... C..... "deadpeople"
.....right?
oh sorry got this one confused with the riddle thread in the sandbox.
I always wanted to read the book.
And those who posted negative comments about it,can you prove me it's fiction?
if you watch Jason Goes to Hell...when the dude is searching Jasons house...he steps through a floor board...falling aganist a table...upon this table is the necronomicon....the exact same book used in Army of Darkness....there is a theory on real or fake
i would have to say that it's the funniest book that i've ever read. i have worse things tattooed to my back than in that book
Yeah a good bit of fiction from a over imaginative person.
Now come on there are lots of things witten about in fiction that are in fact real. Lets clear something up, the book written by Simon that you can go to borders and buy, is a work of fiction of course, no one said it was real, thats not the issue. With that out of the way, why is it so hard to belive that there is an anti-bible out there? It most definitly would be something of interest, because look at all the things the bible has convinced people to do in the name of God, and if there is something out there more devious, and ill willed than that, it would become quite the object of interest.
not a bad read if you have a little time to kill but over all its not the best peice of fiction i have ever read.
on this matter i would have to agree with lucioswolfe....have an open mind...has anynoe who has made the comment "ITS FICTION" actually taken the time to read the book...or are they just saying "its fiction" because they havent read it...personally...i havent read it....i would like to but who is to say i will...no one...from the research that my fiance has done on the net...there are presumed 3 actual books containing the actual text in Latin...yes there are many conflicting opinions about it...but who is to say whether we are right or wrong....
hehe this is the history of it I recalled....but I was unable to remember the sources...so I kept mouth shut...thanks Jason
you know i have heard alot of people who quote it, who say they use it in everyday life..who swear that it is the "holy grail" so to speak...
i myself have no idea what it entails or if it is indeed a honest piece of work...but if it indeed is as powerful as so many claimed then there wouldnt be anyone who would be left alive to claim its "holy ness" for such a poweful object to easyily obtainable is bound to wipe out a few curious lives *winks*
Well I have read the book also,I think it all lies in what person beleave's in...the satanic bible read's about the same.....a lot of warn'n and things not to awaken..
Never read it but like someone else already said, it reminds me of Evil dead and army of darkness and those movies make me laugh my bloody ass off!
Wow Sonik! I'm Impressed. I was under the impression as well that this is not factual, I might take a look at that site myself. Most of us think of that little black book newbies want to get a hold of., because its edgy and dark. thaks for the info, it was interesting.
Silver
I own a a copy signed by simon. I believe it to be true, because all who have read it have had some sort of experience involving it.
the copy you have "signed" is BS. and if you believe it to be the true necronomicon...do you think that B.Dalton books would sell it...it is a filtered Minuscule recreation of it. that is all...for wannabe sorcerers and necromancers to say they own it. I will say that it is a very powerful book...even filtered.
There is a true copy of the Necronomicon....It resided in Rhyleh...Now where it is, we may never know. The beings in the necronomicon are real. They are as real as you and me. Once they inherited the earth, but were sealed away in an abyssal realm. Now their servant Nyarlathotep walks the earth, searching for a host, so that he may use this vessel to bring back the Great Old Ones. I'm not a biblical person, but we are in the last days. For all we know the real Necronomicon could be in the hands of Nyarlathotep now. Vampires or not brothers and sisters, this is not going to fair well.
"That which is not dead, but may eternal lie, and with stranger eons even death may die"
i honestly have no clue because ive never read any of it...but i think i will sit down and study the text and get back to you...
first sorry about the spelling its a good book but i have also read a lot ov good books like the book of nod the the gothic gamore the bible now you tell me witch is a story based on fact what im saying you can find truth in a lot of places but that does not mean its right or rong
now im off to pass out have a nice day
Very good book. A nice read. It's so insightful....but, I believe it fiction. Forgive my laziness; just woke up; don't feel like explaining why.
Best Regards.
"Most of us think of that little black book newbies want to get a hold of., because its edgy and dark. "
From the mouths of babes. Good Spook, have a cookie.
I must agree with Lucios: The Necronomicon at B.Dalton? Come on, get real. The thing is a work of fiction, anyway. The "goth" kids were reading this piece of fiction back when I was in highschool and there was no "goth," just "that weird kid."
Join the revolution, folks. Wake up. Read War and Peace or something.
I owned a copy once,though yes i too believe it to be a mostly filtered book,i have to agree it is still powerful and from a psychological point of view,it is a great read.Having read the posts above mine i see there are some inciteful words here.Thanx for those that have posted links,now i am off to do some more reading on the subject...
it all depends if it is a true version..if so becareful..if not.. have fun with it.
the "true version" will never be seen by anyone on this site...Certain factions would assure that(by means of "eliminating our knowledge" of it...i.e death)
A book like that is sooo hidden to the public that only loosely based fictional accounts are "sold" in bookstores.
well this thread has gone about as far as humanly(or inhumanly) possible....
my last .02$ on this...
I spent years trying to prove to other skeptics that it was real....and the deeper I dug....the more I saw the skeptics were right....no doubt there are old and powerful texts of ancient secrets....
and I'm sure at some point someone has called one or more of them the necronomicon....
it does not mean that the dead old ones are really sleeping in sunken R'Lyeh....awaiting for Cthulhu to awaken and raise them from the depths....
but then again...it doesn't mean they aren't either....
This is one spell book not to be taking lightly. Yes at first glance it looks like a piece of fiction, but if used correctly those spells can churn up some pretty crazy things.
I believe the store bought necronomicon while entertaining and such...give's a filtered(severely) glimpse as to real rituals and their rites. I believe that the symbols offered in the book are real and that people don't put too much emphasis or care on how powerful a symbol could actually be. Wiccans and pagans wear pentacles for what reason...to protect themselves...the pentacle, a symbol that if belived in enough our spirituality gives "power" so to speak to it. All spiritual belief is derived from your faith in it. I refuse to own a necronomicon or have one in my house. Not so much because of the scripture written in it, but the symbols that are in it. I give relavace to the symbols...and probably after seeing several on discovery channel shows involving archealogical digs and early man and religion and seeing many of those symbols. So, whereas I put no belief or faith that the actual ritual parts ar true versions...the symbols however...In my opinion are.
thanks for all your input everyone! You guys are the coolest.
while it is pure hype it seems to me that with the universe around us being shaped by belief it seems possible that if one believed in the things in that book it would be possible to force the universal energy in to any form thus creating your own reality
It may be hype, it may not be. I don't doubt there is a book of the dead. The same can be said about the bible, koran, torah(SP?) could all be believed as "hype"...when I watch a documentary on acient times and see these symbols on such programs dating back thousands of years...I tend to give it a tad of credibilty. But you are right...the "B.Dalton cersion IS hype.
I think about more than half of us are asking that lucios.....
No, I don't think Luc was asking the question "What is the necronomicon?" But replying to Somnolentwhatever's statement "Silly and unnecesarily complex" by asking the question "What is, the necronomicon?"
I don't take anything she(SomnolentSimacrulum)
has to say with any amount of seriousness or importance...especially regarding A text of such archaic importance.
It would be very hard to force anything in , even the universe but anything is possiable, and all magic is dangerious, It all depends how u use it and apply it what u apply it to or for who.
The book written by Abdul Alhazred may have had some intresting truths within it. Though the new modern Necronomicon I would say is quite fictinal.
Tis a shame that people would go though the effort to rid the world of someone's writings.
I didnt buy my book, because I think its "goth", I didnt buy it for any reason but the fact i wanted to read it. I have found that some rituals work and some dont. I borrowed it to a friend for a weak and he has not been the same since( no idea why).
I compaired it to other versions and i think it better information. There are a couple of books that are needed with it to explain and fill in the "blanks". they are hard to find but i have them.
Lovecraft's Necronomicon is fiction, from a great imagination.
No real truth to it. It just is not possible, period
you are soooo right....because their couldn't be anything that is beyond your knowledge now could there?
You know what, for once I actually agree 100% with lucious. Its fiction, all it ever was and will be.
The book f the dead,Give ancient gods life. Personly whith my expeirences with the NECRONOMICON give me absolute beleife in it.
Only because the above posters first language is NOT English will I forgive the spelling errors in the above post.
Lovely debate, kids.
Hope you enjoyed it.