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Ok I wa reading an interesting theory today on Vampires.

So they go out... they drink blood of victims and leave them laying in alleyways covered in bite marks...

Don't you honestly think if this was true their would be some form of worldwide investigation into them? I mean come on, murders happening everynight... not something people can over look.

Ideas?

Most vampires conceal their victims bodies by burying them deep underground or by burning them and as for are there orginizations out there investigating them that would be a definate yes. There have been throughout recorded history

Plus hundreds of people go missing everyday

i don't think a real vampire would just leave it's victim lying in an alleyway..i mean, fear of exposure I would think would be a concern....

my thoughts exactly

It was just something interesing I read eariler today and got me thinking, I just want everyone elses opnions on it.

Personally I don't buy it. In this day and age even one or two murders in a single night in any city or town will get noticed. A vampire or a group of vampires running around killing indescriminatly would be discovered within days. The existance of a killer or killers who are taking the lives of victims by draining blood and leaving them dead or dying in the streets and alleys would be known to local law enforcement in a very short period of time.

A few days or weeks of this and you have the entire local police force hunting you down. You have now been profiled as a serial killer based on the number and frequency of the killings, which brings in federal agencies as well.

And vampire or no, anyone who commits a crime is going to leave behind some traces. DNA, fibers, finger prints, saliva, bite patterns, something that will be able to identify them.

And when was the last time you heard on the news about a city-wide, state-wide or country- wide alert and search for a serial killer who was draining the blood of all his victims (and I am assuming if he was in fact a vampire he would be trying to at least ingest some of the blood).

Sorry, but it just does not sound even the least bit realistic to me.

Good point Elvira, plus not all vampires kill those that they feed from

This is actually getting interesting.

Good topic choice, kudos, definatly got me thinking

If this happened it would make the news everynight.

Ok after talking to a few people decided to re-open.

What makes you think a vampire has to drain some one? Maybe they only need enough to make you a little woozy and give you a head ache.

Look this isn't my thoughts, its something I read.

One point I have noticed no one raise:

Not very many at all take notice of how many indigents (homeless) disappear every year. And just how hard do those who DO notice look for the reason why?

wow never really thought about it i think they deffently hide their victums and im sure there are people out there helping them....

i would think vampire would just leave a dead body layin in the allery like if they did wouldnt that just gave away that they r real

There is a possibility that vampires are real. All myths have some sort of basis in truth.
And as many have said, no vampire would leave a body out to get discovered. They would likely not stay in any one city for too long either, always being on the move there is less chance of being discovered.

No, an intelligent vampire would not leave his or her prey's body just laying in the open. there are a few possible remedies for what to do with the body.

1. in the instance of vampires, like say the vampire LeStat, a vampire could prick his finger drip blood onto the puncture wounds, and the wounds dissapear entirely
2. of course burning the body or disposing of it in a manner that it could never possibly be found again.
3. tear and shread the body to the point that it looks like an attack by a dog or bear or something the that extent.
as far as a world wide investigation, hell, worldwide they still have investigations for the loch ness, big foot, even leprechauns, without proof or clear cut evidence, they can't prove anything. that is why sires must choose their offspring carefully, so as not to expose vampire kind to the entire world. so far, they feel that all vampyric kind are simply myth and fable, and as thick headed as most of mankind is, anything that would point toward the existence of vampires, they'd probably blow off as something they feel as logical or rational.

No, I do not believe this is a possibility whatsoever.

In my readings and conversations with sanguine vampires they have known and trusted individuals whom willingly participate in bloodletting.

There are a few instances in the news of psychotic individuals draining their victims dry and they aren't classified as vampires, they are classified as murderers.

As I believe Elyria mentioned an other thread, www.crimelibrary.com has many of these stories from all over the world.

You should read "The Last Vampire" or "The Hunger" (awsome books) they conceal their prey by burning them after feeding, or disposing of them well (unless they're careless)

we're speaking hypothetically i'm assuming right?

I am not sanguine but have read a lot about real sanguine and also have friends who are.

A sanguine does not live on blood alone far from it, they can take energy from some blood, and they don't need to drain in one go, same as a psy feed does not 'empty' someone in one fell swoop.

Also, from what I have read and been told, a snguine has to be just as careful of getting disease from blood as anyone so I wouldn't think many would risk taking blood from a source they didn't know was clean.

Any corpse found completely drained would hit the news, it is virtually impossible in this media age to keep something like that a secret........ in my opinion any murder like that would be by someone with psychological problems rather than a taste for blood.

Have you ever woke to find a vruise or unexplained pain somewhere on your body and had no memory of how it got there or what caused it? Perhaps you met with a vampire and he/she had a little snack. Who knows?

In my opinion, (sort of like others above) I dont think that they would leave thier vicitms lying in an alley way...for fear of exposure....yet...you know that there have been some that have done it before. Also, I've seen missing posters all over walls in several different areas.....some of them could have been victims or prey....

John Haigh

John Haigh (date of birth uncertain) was rasied by a devout puritanical family in Yorkshire, England. As a result, he was a very religious child, and was even a choirboy. From the information that has been gathered, it is clear that Haigh waswell liked by all who knew him when he was young. When he moved out to live on his own, however, he changed.
This Vampire’s career of evil began. John Haigh spent several years of his adult life serving times for thefts. We can’t be sure how those years affected Haigh; however, when he finally got out of prison, he was anything but a common theif. He stole more than just his victims possessions; he also took their blood.
In 1943, Haigh was released from prison for the last time befire perorming the dark crimes that made him famous as a mortal blood drinker. After he got out, he murdered a young man by the name of Donald McSwann. Haigh then proceeded to drink the man’s blood, take some of his belongings, and dissolve the body in sulphuric acid, apparently believing that there would be no evidence with which to convict him.

very interesting indeed

its only mythological to think vampyres would kill their victims like they do in movies. if there are vampyres they'll be more sophisticated

Trust you to come out with that. I do have a point though.

yes but there have been lots of ppl that have been said to have been vampires and some of then did drink blood. one woman used to bath in the blood of young vrigin girls to try and stop her from aging. there was no record of her ever drink the blood and she still went down in history as a vampire

Every legend usually derives from some form of truth or another, and if vampires do in fact exist, I should think that all the experience they have, they would also know how to hide there victims.

true but there are alot of unsloved murders that wont b sloved bcoz even if there was a dead body with bite marks and there blood drained ppl would turn it into logic and over look the vampire side of it

Lets say even half of those here that claim to be vampires really are (hypothetically of course) that would leave aboiut 3000 or so...Now 3000 bodies turning up drained of blood would definitely cause a panic, expecially if it happened with any frequency at all...Nope, sanguines of the Classically Hoolywood style are exactly that. Hollywood, for if they weren't there would be a worldwide epidemic of drained bodies gathering exactly the sort of attention they do not desire and well, the attention of the wannabe vampire hunters too. So no, definitely NOT real

good point but ppl say vampires are worryed bout to much attention but hollywood has bought out movie after movie on vampires so wats the big deal. if a body is found with its blood drained then it would b seen has a person who is way obessed with vampire. not an vampire its self

If someone can find me a real vampire on this site I'll be amazed.

Sorry if this repeats someones answers but I had to post my answer without reading down. Now a days vampires have donors people that they can drink from when the thirst gets to bad so that there are no bodies of evidence so to say. Not only that I know a few that drink animal blood. I am sure there are some cases of bodies being bitten and I am sure they are investigated but that has to be rare or it will be all over the news.

even if it was all over the news they would b lookin' for a person obessed wif vampires not a vampire itself. so again the vampire would get off and they would blame a person.

Ok here's how it goes.

First there's the State and Local Mental Facilities. If you have an "in" there are plenty of "doners" to feed from. I mean who's goinna buy into some "crazy" who's running around claiming they've been bitten by a Vampyre? if you are lucky enough to actually work a graveyard shift at one of these places you're "one up on the competition" so to speak.

Then there's the homeless. Now lets just say that when the various members come off the street corners and meet back at camp and "Bob" doesn't show, there may be a common thought that he's relocated, been arrested, or maybe even passed out somewhere different tonight, he should turn back up again soon. Or when "Crazy Jane" the bag lady is "crying" I was attacked by a Vampyre. "Yeah right, she's gonzo and has Tourette's".

Think about this, how many people pay attention to "those forgotten"?

*looks at Ashkalon*

Giving away the family secrets are you?

SHUSH YOU!

Who is to say that there isn't investigation's going on into a Vampire's "coming's and goings". Maybe a "conspiracy theory" is needed for this one.

If Sanguine's keep useing Homeless person's or Mentally impaired person's to feed, eventually someone (who isn't considered crazy) would notice a trend.

*looks at Ashkalon*

Oh never mind.

Again, most just pass it off as "crazy people being delustional".

i thought of this while reading the comments. something made me think of farms.

in the same way that farmers keep sheep, and sheer their wool on a regular basis, maybe they don't kill their victims right out. maybe they have people farms, and drain once a month.

i forget how long it takes to regain blood when you donate at the clinic, but it's an idea.

baa

*looks at verades*

Exactly my point.

Just for the argument...

Where my mom lives, there's a huge amount of empty land. This land gets moved in on quick, without the dirt exactly getting turned up at all. Mobile homes. There's also an area of uninhabitable/undrivable/nearly unwalkable dirt. I've seen the top of a car that's been buried under there.

If somebody wanted to bury a body out there...it wouldn't be found for a very long time, if at all.

Like were I live, we have enough swamp land and there's a good amount of wildlife that tend to enjoy meat.

Well stories like this already happened.

Probabbly they're not that popular cause they don't want to panic people.

Vamp[ires or not,for me whoever did these actions,is not a vampire but just someone insane or a wannabe.

vampyre of today dont prey or hunt well if they can help it most have donors

or those willing to allow them to feed upon them however the vampyre needs to

I agree, having a "swan" is a good thing.

very interesting

i think that its a bunch of crap soemthign would be done about it it wouldnt be over looked if it were to happen

Would it now?

one would think that being the impressive beings that they are they would be able to hide bodies of those that were bitten and killed so it stands to reason that they do just as mass murderers are smart enough to dispose of bodies that they have taken the life from

Or that it would be possible to take a little from several people and leave no bodies behind, only a few headaches.

I was thinking what eviladam was thinking. Taknig many victims and only taking a little form everyone until you had your fill.
Kiara

thats possible too and i wonder why that didnt occur to me

I happen think and agree with LV and a few others. Hollywood hypes up way too many things and blows a lot of things out of proportion. If it were completely necessary to drain all victims, and of course hypothetically people were draining them to begin with, there would still over a period of time be clues and links to it.

You can say you want to ignore the "crazies" all you want, but if enough people say the sky is purple at some point, people are going to at least investigate.

As far as draining victims, there would be no point. Firstly, it's damn near impossible to consume all of the blood within a body. Blood is an emetic. Secondly, true vampires don't require blood in itself, they require the pranic energy that is so concentrated in blood, and so they only need a small amount at a time. Also, draining and drinking the blood from just anyone is dangerous as one could contract any number of blood diseases through just a small cut or sore in the mouth.
Finally, in response to the thread about the woman who bathed in blood. That woman was a countess named Elizabeth Bathory. According to some accounts, she drank as well as bathed in the blood, thereby earning herself the title of vampire.

i have heard some where that eastren vampires can feed off the chi of your body. and since chi flow through your body and blood . why could they not feed off that.

To clarify, Chi is the Eastern term for pranic energy. Sanguinarian vampires (as far as I know) feed off of this energy by consuming blood, in which there is a strong concentration of it.

This topic is quite interesting and one that I am surprised has not received any attention until now.

I put forth this angle: I propose that we look at the question without the baggage of the stereotype of what vampyre is, more specifically, the archetype created by fiction, especially that popularised by cinema.

I f we look more deeply into folklore which one finds is vastly dissimilar to fiction, then this discussion becomes even more engaging.

We might also look as well upon the nature of being, or in this instance the being known as vampyre. Is its nature really that of a killer?

So I ask, how do we approach this subject on the term of vampyre as reality as opposed to Count Draculea or Chocula for that matter?

Vlad

Maybe you should open a new thread just for that line of thought Vlad.

I think this one was just along the lines of the stereotypical traits of the vampires hollywood and such have created, would there not be a huge media spotlight per se on the subject.

But good ideas, I would open a new thread.

Sanguines have to be very responsible with bloodletting. They are as prone to HIV etc as anyone else. They tend to be very responsible individuals who use steralized equipment ie Scalpels. They also are responsible towards the donors. Antiseptic creams etc for cuts are essential and gauze, as your donor does not want to get infected from an open wound. I doubt that they will go pick someone off the street and bleed them who knows what they would catch. Also take into account that the human stomach could not physicaly contain all the blood that could be drained from a Human. The average body hold around 5.5 litres of blood.
Fact and fiction...vastly differing things lol
Again just my opinion here

vampires hide their marks...i mean do u realize the reaction of the newspapers if they found out about a murder, where the victim has fangs signs....

I just hope there isn't a sang out there who is taking blood without the knowledge of their donor. That's just a little irresponsible as well as reprehensible.

Chuckles at La Muerte...
God yes

I think if there was a body found with fang-like puncture wounds, the papers would just blame the 'goths' for it.
There would probably never be any real delving into the possibility of vampires, because its something that people don't believe in.

Sounds like movie hype to me. I don't think it happens like that. They would have to be more careful. An eternity in prison would be very difficult for a vampire.

TheSource has a point.....probably other people do too.....

Thank you Jessa.

When I have attained the proper level, I shall think on the new thread.

I am avalanched with performances this time of year which is hampering my progress.

I did appreciate your clarification however.

Be well

well for one thing, we know that what holloywood says about vampyres in comparison to what they are in actuality. We DO NOT have real live fangs that extract blood from victims ...geeze can you imagine how easy it would be for us to fit in then?
secondly, we know there are more of us then most people can imagin, and as someone pointed out..if theres so many of us attacking people and leaving them for dead, i think so as well about the nation wide search..
but since we are still only humans with a disorder..we are a lil more smarter about how we get our nurishment.

This has nothing to do with Hollywood Vampires as thats what everyone stereotypes Vampires as. Has anyone actually read an occultists version on a Vampire?

I believe that there would be w big investigation, but my question to you is, do you think that if it was real and they did start a search for the culprits, do you think that they would actually find the ones who did the damage?

Some of you have said they drain victims not all at once. Don't you think they migh end up at the police or something, or someone notice strange bite marks?

My best wishes to you on your performances and such, Vlad.

I will watch for your question and idea with anticipation.

Be well to you also, Vlad.

jwes this thread is not to congratulate someone.

*Nods

I simply meant to extend greetings so that Vlad, known to me in another realm, would know I too look forward to his thoughts on the matter a friend of mine had previously suggested.

There are millions of missing people never found, they are either so cleverly hidden or specially desposed of.

there is no solid facts that state that countess Elizabeth Bathory ever drank blood. she could of but no one knows that for sure unless you were living around her time and saw her but i dont think so. now im not sayin' she did or didn't im say there's no proof she did.

If there was a search / hunt for "real" Vampyres would the goverments tell us so ? They would most probably try and protect the poor emotional , ignorant masses by keeping it a secret .

ppl are made top beleive what the government wants them to beleive. but i dont think to much into it. *looks at you*

funny id have to say people dont want to beleive what they would once one day realize they have to fear, and not all marks are noticable

be kind of stupid if they did that lol but after consuming blood wud they be thinking straight and have the sense to hide the victium, i dont really know

interesting though

i don't know what to think. everything that i was going to say has been said

Not real. I certainly think that many people would cause alarm. If they weren't drained all the way... are they not gonna say something? If large numbers of people started missing or turning up dead in alley ways the news would find out.

I honestly don't think vampires rely on blood to survive. Vampires are just people with a draw towards the taste of blood or the feel of energy. The idea that vampires drain bodies dry and leave corpses hidden in alleyways could possibly be explained by one of two theories: a) a story from old days to entice young women to act appropriately or else they'll be killed by some "vampire" disguised as an attractive man, perhaps started by an over-protective parent who saw a hickey on his/her daughters neck, or b) the rare careless vampire or wanna-be vampire who could not control their urge and who was too stupid to hide the body, or who didn't care to act appropriately.

But that's just my opinion

There are many things that don't make the papers.

*looks at Billy*

I know of police departments that "avoid paperwork" just to keep their own city's "low crime" ratings from going down the crapper.

Yep what the public doesn't know. Besides, what do you think the 'depts' going to do anyway? Hmmmm?

We share the same perspective.

when was the last report of a vampire attack anyway.
It's more wonderful movie magic.

*to darkling* I respect your opinion, but vampirism is not a draw to blood, nor is it psychological, like you seem to imply; it is a need for pranic energy, or life force, from another person to survive. It can be taken either through consumption of blood or a psychic feeding.

As far as vampire attacks, I've never heard of one in this day and age, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Real vampires don't leave their victums with evidence that Vampires are real! They may leave the body, but hide the bite marks by cutting them off! But mostly they burn the bodies so no one know they really are here!

lets see, if i were smart, what would i do...........?

Depends on the truth you are seeking. If you are seeking to validate the vampire as a killer...then look around us..everywhere missing people and murders, bites could so be disguised. But then there is the flip of a vampire taking only of what it needs by willing prey, or unwilling sometimes..and letting them live..no body to be discovered..plus. Who would believe them...~.o

If that happens then what happens to the bodies? do they turn into vampire them selves? do the police do a cover up and not tell anymore about them? i think its just a bunch of b.s. that humans think that.

Most Vampires that need blood to survive find willing hosts, usually somebody they know, and get blood from them a little at a time.

Interesting responses and very mixed views.

i am not sure.........lol sorry i wasnt much help

I really dont beleive in the mythological vampires - I beleive in blood fetishists

Someone who kinda gets what I'm on about!

blood is good

Real.....
Well this is interesting, how would you define real? Something tangible? Something you can describe using the five senses?
Anyways I don't think vampires can get away with just leaving their victims all willy nilly so to speak, With modern technology it would be easy for them to be tracked down, but There are ways around this and which I believe these so called immortals use....I don't know if vampires are real...but if they are...then yes they have to be careful, and yes they would have to be moving from city to city, but yes I do believe they are hunting amongst the city's forgotten

maybe they do happen all the time, but the public is not ready for something like that. think of the mass panic it would cause if they found out something like that.
just a thought

Well I can say I know of people who have been hunted. Their demise was NOT Pretty.

If humans didn't truly believe Vampyr's exist, then some of my kin wouldn't have been hunted down and murdered.

I just remembered something, too, that supports the common point here...

I don't know if I heard this, read it, etc...

"We hunt for the hookers, the druggies, the homeless, the drunks stumbling out of bars. It's cliche, but they won't know in the morning, or try to report a simple scab...especially if they were doing something illegal. "

Also, I don't remember reading it in this post, but I"ve heard of donors, people who specifically give themselves...

*looks at Ashkalon*

He's right it does happen. It's been said time and time again here...people fear what they don't understand. And there are just enough whack jobs out there who think it's their god given duty to rid the world of those who are "different" which includes those who are deemed to be vampire, otherkin, possessed or any of a million things. It's a combination of predjudice and fear and some just plain sick minds that lead to situations like the one he mentioned. I lost a friend back in 97 because of the same sort of situation.

*looks at tyedyegoddess*

Some of us refer to them as "swans".

These people are willing donor's who know and believe in the existance of the Nachttoter.

probobly, but there isnt a massive ghost search either!

nice feed this link

well done



in every race there are rouge elements
no doubt there would be in the V community also the psy option is a nice flavour
and even if the bodies were hiden humans would hunt us anyway thats there nature.

People go missing everyday.There are investigations done in some cases. Do you really think that this government would admit that Vampires are real? Do you think this goverment is honest with you?

No, the government lies. It lies everyday. Right now we are returning to a time when the government spied on it's own citiizenry on a regular basis. They think that's OK. Why would they ever admit to the existence of something they cannot explain.

Why do people not read the previous posts? Most of the points brought up in the second half of this thread are just repeats of the first half!
*stab* *stab*

Yes most of it does resemble the first. But oh well. People are expressing their views.

I think vamp666 has a really good point on the top- believe me if it was true every cop in the world would be out looking for answers on why there are so many ppl dead- no matter if they hide them or not, ppl will be callin on missin relatives & others things.

*Grins and wiggles* Mmm...blood fetish, er..rather bite fetish...O.o wrong thread perhaps....

O_O!! lol yea maybe you got the wrong one :P

Firebender you shall have a pat on the back. Thankyou dude.

interesting topic i dare say

Recall that not all 'donors' are victims.
Also, vampires feed in different areas and ways.

But I'm not purely basing this around donors.

Some of us just take enough to get ride of our hunger. So, Victims are just college students with interesting makeout sessons. ;)

"vampires in your town, news at 11"

*looks up at queenbitch* that's true

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