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I was reading and rating profiles today, prepared to read my share of "deth iz kewl" quotes along with other glorifications of life cessation. And then I came across the journal of a new member named Eve.

She is a pediatric nurse and wrote how she faces DEATH everyday in her job. She has seen it up close and personal. In her words I saw hope, and the wisdom that comes with facing the real.

I know that for most this is entertainment, and that the quotes are merely there for shock value.

But there ARE some here who really are fascinated with it. Some are enamoured of it.

So many of these souls hate life, they hate people; they just simply hate. Period.

I wonder if the inmates in the German death camps glorified it? I know a priest who survived 25 years in a Romanian concentration camp. I see in his eyes the same things that I have seen in the eyes of Holocaust survivors, painful memory, but then, a searing fire of love and hope for our sad world.

Where is the beauty in the dying of the child with leukemia? What is so pleasing when a species becomes extinct?

What is the use or purpose of living as Vampyre - meaning one who lives in a higher conscious state of existence if everything must glorify death and evil?

I do not ask that those with this fascination stop. But, as with anything, if you are not strong enough, your obssession WILL consume you.

Some of you have been hurt by others and so you HATE. I know, because I too have been there and done that. But, I have found that the sweetest revenge is not HATE, because it is your HATE that fuels these cowards to continue to be the purveyors of YOUR spiritual death. Do you see thatm it is a self perpetuating condition?

Get your REVENGE on those you hate by LIVING, by taking life and making her YOURS. There is a song by ELP and a line states: "I want an Angel on a gold chain, I want to ride her to the stars!"

I think that if you really think about it, riding an Angel is a HELL of a lot more fun than sitting in a mausoleum. Why be Vampyre to do that? You will eventually be lying in one for Eternity. In the meantime, take the time to see death for what it really is.

As always, flame suit on and ready for reply.

Your words are beautiful.. I feel that life truly is a gift. I may be lonely at times and down, but death is one of my biggest fears. Life is so beautiful if you take the time to look around you. I too worked in a hospital and saw suffering and death and there was nothing pleasant about it.. I have also never seen anyone laugh at a funeral. So where is the joy in death. Also living with an illness where I may have to face death is not pleasant. Enjoy life, take nothing for granted.. We are all here for a reason and a purpose.. use them...

Frankie,

You have said more eloquently in fewer words what I tried to say.

Thank you, you give me hope that I am not wrong.

Vlad

That was amazingly interesting. You're right: it does give hope. I agree with the things you've said... It was amazing.
Thank you for sharing that with us... It was simply... uplifting, if I may.
~Poser

I found what you said to be a very good read. I myself do not love life, but I do not wish to die either. (Well with the exception of the past few days, I am an empath and very strongly picking up on somone I know. It absolutley has taken me over for the past 24 hours.) I have my daughter to live for. You are right. I can see nothing wonderful about a child dying of a terminal illness like that. Thank you for your input on this one, I serioulsy enjoyed reading it.

I watched my(ever since he was born) little bro die in my arms. His death was unknown. His family said that it was the Devil. Benjamin was only 8. I know who it was and it wasn't Satan. Satan must ask for permission from God to take any child who is under the age of 12. I blame God for all deaths of any child who is under the age of 12. Death is not funny nor humorus. If your brother died, you wouldn't been joking about it with your friends. You would morn there death.

We cannot blame God for deaths like that. Yes, I do believe in destiny and this is where I also get confused, but we are human, we make choices.. If that drunk driver kills someone, that is not Gods fault, it is the fault of the driver whom consumed to much. God didnt force him to drink and drive. We have to take responsibilites for our own actions.

~ Living one's life to the fullest is the greatest revenge one can exact upon their enemies ~ letting people get to you & make you miserable is giving them exactly what they want ~ life is such a precious gift , one we are given for such a brief amout of time, it should be respected & never taken for granted ~ don't get me wrong, my life has been full of road blocks, heartache & pain ~ looking death in the face has been something I have tried several times but now I realize that I'm here for a reason ~ it's up to me to discover my purpose for being in the world ~ I am much happier now that I live for life instead of dream of dying ~ ~Kat~

I couldnt agree more.. Living is so wonderful and a perfect way to get revenge sometimes.. My ex tells me all the time he wishes a slow painful death on me, and you know what, he is miserable and the more he see's me happy, the more he becomes dead inside.. that is the worst punishment ...

Wow you have such a great way with this discussion and put a new light in my eyes thank you.

Thank you one and all.

I think that Christ and Dracula were spot on when they said "For the Blood is the LIFE" (emphasis mine)

I don't worship death. I've had two near death experiences in the past 5 years. I value every breathing moment of my life. I take nothing for granted anymore. But it's because of these experiences I have a curiosity about what occurs during and following the act.

Well when it comes to hating some one, you have to ask yourself this. Are they worth the time and energy used to actually hate them? Besides to HATE someone means you still actually care (IMO).

Your words are eloquent and steeped in truth, my Friend.

This life is too short and everyday is a gift. I also have lived through tragedy and had days in my youth where I wished for the end. Fortunately I realized the old axiom "this too shall pass" had more wisdom than almost anything else I have heard.

Had I followed through with the morbidity that threatened me I would not have met, and lost to illness, my best friend Mindy. My beautiful daughter wouldn't be here to share in the joys of life, and I would have missed out on the love of my husband.

Life is hard. It is full of strife and sorrow. Yet there is also beauty and joy to be found.

Thank you for this thread.

Ashkalon.. You are correct. Hating someone does use up a very large amount of energy. I dont hate.. I dont even like the word.. I dislike. Very much. But depending on the situation, do you not find that it can give you more energy sometimes.. I never wish death on anyone, not my worst enemy, (unless you harm my children, then I can kill you myself), but I do wish lonliness and death inside to those that have hurt me. I am not a mean person by far, but I believe what goes around comes around, and well, I want to be here to see it.

We all come to terms with our own pain one way or another.

The most sharp and heavy pain is often felt when there is no other means of support.

Essential support, that comes from unwavering hands, deeply connected minds, and above all hearts that will open to know the pain is not what they know, but can help through.

Amazing words Vlad, well said!

spoken like a very caring and wise individual...

I don't glorify death so much as I do glorify the change of substance that we go through when dealt with physical death.

The children dying of cancer or of something else utterly unfair to them leave this world I feel untainted, unpoisoned, and completely pure. The toxins of humanity haven't stained them, they haven't been jaded by the imperfections of which man places upon all things.

I can't say I know the mind of everyone that has a fascination with Death, but I would say that this could be at least a small piece of it.

I would agree, that living, continuing on is a revenge against those that have done me or mine damage that can never equaled. It is the living that make the changes, it is the living that continue to fight.

I agree Evangius, and I believe that anyone with a deep-rooted belief in their faith gives much thought to what happens when this life is done.

Contemplation of an existence or altered state beyond this one can be a wonderfully uplifting enterprise. The sad thing is when a 14 year old wishes they were dead and cold in the grave because they are unable to see past their current situation.

The balance begins with studying and musing on the next level of existence while enjoying this one.

It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.

Julius Caesar

I think we have seen lots of quotes in reference to dying being easy and living being the real test of worth. Doesn't take much if you really want to take yourself out of the game of life to do so.

But to achieve success, that is something that only the living will be able to do. To truly be victorious in gaining of your objectives, this comes at a life of hard work and patience.

You're words are laced with fire, Vlad. There is not much that I can honestly say to refute your charge except that people are free. One can choose to revere or revile what they will. If the end of life is one's only goal, then so be it. Let them believe in what they will, for they are to judge themselves.

The Slain Dreamer, Guardian of the Akhkharu

I agree, death is something that you can not understand. It takes, but never gives. I come a cross death a lot of times in my work. The grief it gives to people is sometimes more than you ever want to see. And allways they come with the same question: Why? Like they think i have the anwser to that. Death has no glory what so ever. Donn't worship it even when it is the last way out for you. There allways stay people behind with the question Why?

sometimes ppl worship things which they fear and are not sure of

Death is the natural balance to life. It makes sense to me when people express the desire to no longer live as people tend to think in absolutes. But, if life is filled with grey areas, and hard times, how can it not be speculated that as a counter-balance, the state of death would be also. In a metaphysical sense, a person who thinks death is a "solution" to life may very well be exchanging one set of problems for another. A physical life came to me as a gift, a reward, a collection of joyous energy. I am disappointed in myself when I squander any of it. I don't turn away from the pain of life anymore, I embrace it, taste it, and explore it; being able to "feel", I mean really FEEL things is a miracle. I don't like emotionally painful situations but I am thankful everyday that I feel. Life is beautiful.

Death is a part of life. It is a cycle that must and will always be..I feel its not to be worshiped or feared.. Here is a poem I wrote last year.

Death..
as a million stars light the dark night sky i sit within the darkness and wonder why?
and as the darkness surrounds my body and embraces my soul, i am content with why!
so now you too ponder the words of reason and disspair, and ask why i am there?
i search for that that send chills up my spine and fills the emptiness that is all mine.
it lingers in the darkness and feeds upon our fear, but it is this thing that i hold dear.
the part of my existance no one understands the part of my resistance to call it very near.
i feel it when its there and miss it when its not. i feel alone without it to hold me close a lot.
when you find this very thing never let it go for life without feeling this is bitter and utterly cold.
it surrounds your body and envelopes your soul but longs to be one inside. when found face to face never look away for fear is what it feeds on and fear will be you dismay.
so look into the face of lonely ness and draw it further near. and no without a doubt each of
us holds it very dear. this very thing that feeds on reason and disspair. will be the end of
knowing will be the one to share. so as it lingers in the dark and calls your very name.
do not hide in mercy don't hide in shame. for this thing you see shall find you regardless to
where. you can not deal with resisting for it embraces your very soul. and calls you to its
side. i am the thing you search for i am the reason why? see like it or not it comes to all at one
time or the other so welcome death in all its honor for your its finest hour.
so as a million stars shine in the sky i found the reason why. AND SIMPLY SAID
ALL THINGS IN LIFE MUST DIE!!!
~DEVVY~

I have no problem with death by old age, but the rest is to hard for those who are left behind.

things can be gained with death, it is true that death is not to be worshiped, the is nothing that you may really worship, but death may also bring about new life, some die so that others may truly live, i used to think i feared death, untill i thought i was going to die, i was almost curious to know what it is to die, and yet people moorn death, when my aunt died, i was happy, not that i didnt care for her, that was the point, she beleived in a god and that was enough to know that she would enjoy death much more than life, in most situations, sadness in death is selfish, when they know there is more to gain than if they were alive.

death is just a part of life .

I face death a lot being a Medic. It;s tought but it happens to all of us at some stage in our lives.

i nearly died 2x and back then i learned to value life. but in the end we are all gonna die

Yes death is a natural state of things. But death shouldn't be longed for and worshipped by teenagers who don't fully comprehend its finality.

Death is what it is. It has no desire or need to be worshiped. It is part of the balance of life. I've been suicidal in the past and know what it's like to look at the knife or razor in your hands and say "Hey gods, give me a reason not to do this!"
I haven't done it yet.
I'm not trying to get religious or anything, but Death is just another part of the whole wheel that is life. I accept this, our culture (western culture) fears death, sanitizes it . We don't accept nor appreciate it for what it is.
For some it is a release from the pain of old age, sickness ect.
As far as committing suicide out of hate, dumb. I know what it is to hate someone who hurt you horribly (I'm divorced). I've come to the conclusion that I don't love this person who hurt me enough to hate them.

that was probably one of the best spiritual reads that i've seen in a long time. i'm glad you wrote it (and sorry for any of the replies, because i skipped down to the bottom to post) thank you for writing that.

I've always believed that life as we know it is a sort of preparation for the true life we will know of later, whether that be as a vampyre or what. I've never really been fascinated with death, but I do not run from it. I am not scared to die, for even if there is nothing else out there and this is all we have, I know that I have LIVED.

Most of the time if they say that death is cool is just for saying:oh look at me am such a gothic vampire am so cool bow to me!

Yeah sure.

Nice what you said but didn't quite get this:
Get your REVENGE on those you hate by LIVING, by taking life and making her YOURS.

I believe it's better to just ignore them.

As for death and life I see them different than anyone else so am not going to give details to that.It's mostly found in my journal.

there are those who mistakenly think I worship death...mostly they are among my family......they are very sorely mistaken....I do not venerate death....I do not worship it....I am simply no longer afraid of it in any way....
to me it is simply a door way to the next stage on the wheel....nothing more..nothing less..
I actually pity those who do venerate death.....
they have limited themselves into a cycle of dark thought...
I do follow dark thoughts also...but I do it with knowledge that I can walk away from them at any time...they do not control me....

Now finally a really interesting discussion. I guess The 'Death is cool' phenomenon is widespread amongst teenagers who are desperately seeking for a peer group to identify themselves with. Experience in life would've taught them otherwise. Be sure that they have never looked death in the eye. For the few that are of older age and still believe in these words: You'd be better off if YOU were dead. Most things in life we learn to value if we must miss it. You can't miss life itself, but if someone close dies or you are frequently faced with death, you learn that lesson just the same.

growing up in the suicide capital of western Canada I have buried quite a number of friends.....so i learned at an early age that it is not cool....i'm sure if more people could see the loss and torn apart families trying to figure out what they did wrong there would be far less suicides...but in the end the people who do this are usually so self involved that only their own hurt matters to them....

It's different when you really are suicidal and say it for attention.

When you really feel it it's not cool at all.

When I was suicidal and sometimes I still am it's for real and used to walk on high places purposely and imagine myself jumping from it..It's the worst feeling I ever had.And I admit it with no shame.

I am tought of worshipping the death cause of my image and lost friends cause of my suicidal tendencies,well it's the best thing that ever happened to me since when I needed them they abandoned me.

But my toughts go more beyond that.

Oh and as for fear it's not my death that I fear,it's more the death of those who I care of,and as for me I am more afraid of suffering before it and what's after death.If it's the end of everything or if something worse is going to wait for me.

Oh and I know what am going to be told:You would feel that way if you expirienced or saw death.

Well true but I guess we get our opinions and toughts from personal expiriences.

As a personal opinion, one i will most likely get attacked over:

humanity is nothing more than a curse, every stupid herd following idiot dying...is good?
to me..death is not a good thing, nor a bad thing

earthquake where 1000 people die
so what?
a massacre with 567 dead
so?

death is part of the world, we can wheep for it, feel bad for it, but its the way things are

BloodGod,

I believe everyone who has posted in this thread agrees that death is part of the natural cycle. The issue is not whether we wish we could live forever, it is the inordinate amount of (mostly) young people who wish they could die today.

Yes, that is a tragedy. Why? Because it is a waste of the gift of life. To live and experience, to share and learn. Many non-Christian faiths believe the way you conduct yourself in your current incarnation determines the state in which you shall return for the next. Christian faiths of course believe this is the only go-around in the flesh but it too determines your place in the next level of existence.

It is right to grieve the loss of life. We should mourn for the lost souls who can't see a way out of their current sorrow. This is an issue for which I feel strongly because, like many, I came from a bitterly poor and abusive background. I am thankful every day I was gifted with the strength to endure and better my life on my own.

Well i do extremly strongly beliv in reincarnation..

N as i see it the reson for it is too get knowladge by being exposed to varius situations under long long time..

N some souls only need to rincarnate a couple of time but others need to do it a whool long bunch of times.. n not only for our own souls sake but for others sake too..

so i rather belive we are here to learn n ithink its hard to say whats lerning n whats free whill...

There is no true beauty in suffering, but to me there is beauty in death because of a cycle. Because of death we can appreciate life.
If it were possible I would spare people their suffering, no one should be beaten to death or hung, or shot.
Some people perhaps emphasize on the beauty of death because just accepting it and truly seeing it is too painful. If you glorify something and cover it up with an illusion of beauty, you don't have to look at it.

Sorry that sounded slightly judgmental. Everyone has their own views and NOTHING is in simple black and white, least of all people's minds

already commented...this man is wise!

It all really deends on your situation. One can glorify death for a number of reasons, but one could despise it for the same number of reasons. My grand mother and both grandfathers have and/or had cancer. I'm sure their perspective is different from the teenager who wants to rebel or feels that life isn't so great.

I think that death is natural. It's nothing special to me. You die, the world moves on. Perhaps you're reborn, who knows? All I know is I'll be ready when it comes. That's it.

i don't fear death, and i'm not a death worshipper, but its a part of life, not all parts of life are pleasurable, but i am fascinated with death because i want to know what is on the other side because i strongly believe in an afterlife

Surviving 3 full-on hurricanes and 2 major car accidents I feel I've had many a brush with death.
In vampiric terms I feel not so much the coldness of death as it were, but the feeling of eternity-- the capability of going through 'death' by examining and picking apart every life I brush against as I move along.
Perhaps for it is -is- a fetish, but it's something I've felt for many or years.
Personal opinion, as always.

For those that worship Death.. I mean really wroship it, not curious about it, but want it. I know several people that would love to trade places with you, this week alone, it is now up to 3, 3 of my friends have lost their husbands suddenly. I am sure that they would trade places in the blink of an eye../

I thank each and EVERY one of you for the overwhelming response to this post. I think that the best of all things happens when we take the time to learn from one another. Surely, you have taught me.

My humble thanks.

VladVoivode

Embracing death is not as glorious as made out to be in Vampire Films, and miscellaneous films of that calibre. It is an acceptance that Life is not as precious as Death.

It is very similar to the choice between Light or Dark. It is a walk of life, and it represents your goals, and aspirations.

I really do not know if there is more to it, but this is what I've gathered from my studies.

~Maximillion Tsepesh Dracula

"I think that the best of all things happens when we take the time to learn from one another."

Honestly, that is what we are here to do, whether we be Dark Pathers, Light Pathers, Death embracers, or Light worshippers.

Regardless of our walk of life, we must learn from our surroundings, and our fellow man.

"Any man who claims to be a wiseman is a fool. Any man who can admit to being a fool shows wisdom"

~Confucius

Death is just another journey in life, some praise, and some hide.
hope no-one flamed ya man-
-lover zani

An interesting thread, with good responses. A decent thread amongst the mundane ones.

Thank you all,


____
Vix

Very well spoken. Also very true . YOur words have touched me . Thank you .

Very well spoken. Also very true . YOur words have touched me . Thank you .

shows u care lol

To me to be dying is a beautiful and sacred thing your right death does bring hope and it replenishes the living the cycle of death and rebirth what a beautiful thing can't wait to go ~NFA

My good friend, you make an excellent case. I was talking to a friend today, that sorta of thinks my being in rave freaky. Well anyway I told her what I am about to tell you guys now.
I stay here because most of my friends here talk about hurt or hate or what the purpose of life. If I can make one more small person feel bigger than there is a point to me being on this site. I want them to know someone cares. I am glad to know my friend does as well. Thank you for posting this thread.

wise words.

I know me still being alive is causing havok with a few peoples life plans, lol

true dat true dat

TRUE death worshipping is no different from believing in a divine spirit. You believe in something you don't understand, have never experienced or seen, because you believe it's got to be better than what you know.

That is fine. But people who say things like "deth iz cool," need to stop.

I agree with Frankie has said earlier in this thread. I also believe that death only leads to the next life if you choose to go straight to it. Not sure how I can explain exactly what I mean by that but I guess what I am trying to say is... After we die in this life we either choose to stay here, or we choose to move into our next life. I am not sure how all that works. I believe strongly in past lives and even have memories of some of them, but I do not know what happens when we die and move to the next life. I don't remember any of that as I am sure we are not meant to remember.
This is all just my opinion.

Alot of people don't realize that some death includes anony and pain and such. I do on the otherhand. I see death as a beautiful thing cause it means you get to meet the creator, and see all the others that passed before you. And you get to see the ones you haven't even met and see them eternally. Like if your soulmate died you get to spend the rest of eternity with them. You get to leave this cruel world behind and be seen for whom you really are instead of what others saw on the outside of you while you were living. You get to be known for whom you really are outside of the physical body. It's a beautiful thing. And you get to see all the extinct creatures there as well, as well as all your animals that died (like the 100 goldfish that got flushed down the toilet when you were a kid...lol) It just brings peace to many. Knowing that you will not hurt anymore after you die, is a wonderful feeling!

I like to think of the next life the way it's portrayed in what dreams may come....
death found naturally or thrtough accident just open new doors...suicide is an active breaking of your natural cycle....hell is only what you yourself make it...your life gone horribly wrong....
because you have locked yourself intoi the idea that you have changed your proper place in the cycle

I dont worship death but I do not fear it either. I work at a childrens hospital where I see death everyday and some kids deserve to go to a final resting place because they have fought as hard and as long as they can. Their little bodies just need to be put to the ground so their souls can rest and they can know peace.

Its common among the vampire as well as gothic sub culture. To worship death
or reflect on the mear thought that death brings us a new awakening.
Most believe death will answer all the questions life can not .
so much like christianity they like death worshippers . They have faith in what they truely know nothing about..

Death is unknown so everyone handles it differently.

Hate is never worth anything.

Something that most mistake is,that they think that by being in a certain scene means to hate life.

Or that if you are fascinated by death you have to hate life.

It's not like that.You can like both.

I could not read all of these replies but here are my words:

I find wishing death/ forcing death upon living creatures is infact wrong. That's why I can't do suicide... It's why I haven't. But if I really get depressed and do let it consume me, I am afraid I'm just going to say "What'll it matter after I am dead?"

I do understand people who wish they were dead, some times, or all the time. But I do hope nobody does infact go through with it... There are 5- at the least, people who care for you and would mourn your death. Even though in a scripture it says not to fear death, but it didn't mean just because you do not fear it, you should do it... If you hate somebody that has made your life hell. It's simple "Both good and bad eventually die." {Eccl. 9:5:} All of us have inherited sin; we're all inperfect. But no matter how life is treating you, it's not really world dying...

I hope I made since, and not a fool of myself... It's very complicated....

Eeks. Typo.
Truly sorry, I must correct. x.x

sense**

Fuck!!!!!!

worth dying**

Sorries. I am a typo freak...
I shall leave incase if I have yet to find another I made... and try to correct it!!
Bye!! =hides from typos=
o.o

LOVE AND DEATH

In the wild autumn weather, when the rain was on the sea,
And the boughs sobbed together, Death came and spake to me:
"Those red drops of thy heart I have come to take from thee;
As the storm sheds the rose, so thy love shall broken be,"
Said Death to me.

Then I stood straight and fearless while the rain was in the wave,
And I spake low and tearless: "When thou hast made my grave,
Those red drops from my heart then thou shalt surely have;
But the rose keeps its bloom, as I my love will save
All for my grave."

In the wild autumn weather a dread sword slipped from its sheath;
While the boughs sobbed together, I fought a fight with Death,
And I vanquished him with prayer, and I vanquished him by faith:
Now the summer air is sweet with the rose's fragrant breath
That conquered Death.

Rosa Mulholland [18?? -1921

I myself do not think death is cool or some wicked experience...all I know is is that some like me, just want the pain to STOP...

Yeah that is understandable and most think of death to end it.

But still in reality can fear it even tough not admitting it.

I have had people and relatives die
I can see hope through it

Thank you again all for your responses. I shall be closing this thread now as I believe we have reached a comfortable end.

A deep bow of gratitude!!