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Could some Serial Killers be actual Vampyres?

In some instances could there be a“distinction between those who draw pleasure from killing people or from drawing the blood”, or are they just deranged psychopath’s with hematomania. Some of the famous blood fetish serial killers like E. Bathory, Marquis de Sade, and Gilles de Rais could have possibly been vampires that “lost their mind”. Who is to say that a vampire can’t “lose their mind” and go on a rampant killing spree. Even though they are said to be immortal and have super-human abilities that doesn’t mean that they can’t have a screw loose.

Then if you look at it from another point of view, one where they are totally sane. They were just being themselves and they were unfortunately labeled as serial killers, do to their feeding habits. . If vampyres had to abide by human mortal ethics, most would be dead from starvation. So in a sense they were practicing a human code of life “survival of the fittest” why should they be labeled as serial killers for just trying to survive?




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Yes but not all.

It can't be all cause that would be a judgement.

However I wouldn't be surprised if certain killers drank some of their victims blood.



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some of these serial killers are only humans who want to give their killings a vampyric signature



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I couldn't really say. But Elizabeth Bathory was evil years before she started bathing in blood. She simply got it into her head somehow that immersing herself in the blood of young maidens would preserve her youth. Others could be, who really knows?



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That is true Lord Vampirio, they could have been using Vampiric lore to pleed their insanity.



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Well, I think just about anyone can have a screw or two loose, vampire or no (And I am talking of Sang/Psi here, not the Hollywood myth)

But no one can really say for sure if any of thoes actualy *were* vampires or not... They just may have had extreem blood fetishes, and the kind personality that lead them to their behavior... it is so hard to say after all of these years!

Now, I think that a study of Modern Day Blood fetish killers would be the best place to look to try and find a link like that.

Good thread BTW!



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I think Vampirism is just an excuse to be used as an insanity plea. There was just a case not that long ago involving a teenager who killed in this fashion and with that as his defense.. (someone help me find the case).



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My response to the bathory thing. is that I believe that in her story she did not plead into vampirism. My personal outtake on her history was that she was a delusional psychopath. who premeditated her kills for personal fetishism. The fact that she was brought up also around black arts and voodoo added to her madness. Her vanity caused her the implecations that were cast down on her from her actions. She was no Vampire.. She was just insane. But I do have to say that between her story and that of Vlad Tepes.. It still holds more than a fascination certain individuals in the vampire community. Alas.. Myself even surround my mind in many stories ofthe two.. always looking for more than heresay!



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Vampires are awesome...they have a reason to kill...its for them to survive on and their taste for blood....

Serial killers...just too damn creepy and horrible...



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well beforee dracula became a vampire he drank the blood of the people he killed out of their skulls i mean some killers have a sick fasination with blood or else they wouldnt be called killers i mean can you think of a way with out blood being shone?



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oh ya and the blood queen also she bathed in the blood of her victoms



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Which I believed added to her madness



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humans are bags of blood on legs,
its just the way life goes
kill to survive
bite to kill
but i should think that none of the serial killers were true vampires for then they wouldnt have gotten caught,
they didnt catch me :)



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vampires are not serial killers.well thats what i believe.so believe what you want to its what you believe.



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its a possibility



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Frankie069 I have found a piece from the bbc wales site regarding the vampire killer. There has also been a videogame made recently called Farenheight, which is said to be based on this killer

'Vampire' killer jail term begins


A teenager found guilty of the "savage murder" of a 90-year-old widow at her own home is beginning a life jail sentence.
Mathew Hardman should serve a minimum of 12 years under a recommendation from the judge at Mold Crown Court on Friday.

As the jury returned a unanimous verdict, Hardman, 17, wept in the dock and his mother shrieked and sobbed in the public gallery.


Hardman was fascinated with immortality

Mabel Leyshon was stabbed to death at her home in Llanfairpwll on Anglesey, in November 2001.

Hardman - who had lived just a few yards away and had been Mrs Leyshon's paperboy - mutilated her body before placing pokers at her feet in the shape of a cross.

Her heart had been removed, wrapped in newspaper and placed in a saucepan on a silver platter next to her body.

The prosecution said her killer drank her blood in a "macabre ritual".

'Occult obsession'

It was said the teenager was obsessed with vampires and the occult, and had told others he wanted to kill someone in order to become immortal.

The 14-day hearing was told how he smashed his way into Mrs Leyshon's bungalow where he was watching television.



If someone had ridiculed him, he may have needed to compensate for this - something like vampirism may have given him what he was looking for.

Ian Stephen, forensic psychologist
He denied stabbing her 22 times. But DNA found in blood at the murder scene matched that of blood found on a knife at Hardman's home.

After Hardman was found guilty, attention turned to his possible motive and to how he could have become fascinated by vampires, killing a pensioner in his quest for immortality.

Born and raised in Amlwch, on the north coast of Anglesey, he moved to Llanfairpwll in 1998, when he was 13 years old.

That same year, his father - who had been separated from his mother - died from a massive asthma attack.

Although his parents lived apart, Hardman had remained close to his father and was upset by the tragedy.

Violent tendency

Detective superintendent Alan Jones said: "We all found it difficult to accept it could be any sort of interest in vampirism.

"But we were able to prove Mathew had the interest in immortality and had these strange thoughts.

"What's going on in Mathew's head, only he will know."

The judge at Mold Crown Court said Hardman's radical, violent tendency was difficult to comprehend.

And Edinburgh-based forensic psychologist Ian Stephen, whom television drama Cracker was based on, said Hardman's developing obsessions would have been difficult to detect.

Vampire obsession

"So many teenagers become obsessed with parts of culture like this young man," he told the BBC.

"It's very difficult for parents to pick up these changes from normal interests to something that can become quite scary.

"There may have been issues in his background which may have forced him to go beyond the normal interest stage.

"The cult of vampirism is to do with power and dominance, using blood to give you energy and immortality.

"If someone had ridiculed him, he may have needed to compensate for this - something like vampirism may have given him what he was looking for."



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I don't think that serial killers have anything to do with vampires. It's just my opinion but all the same...Serial killers are twisted people and some say that they are born with the tendency to want to kill....this tendency doesnt develop or show up until years later...but it is said that they can't help it, they are born with it. Following this...vampires can choose whether or not to be vampires and whether or not they are going to kill people it is a choice all of their own....
So I think that vampires and serial killers are not one in the same.



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Gothicchipcookie..

Thanks, that is what I was looking for.. I appreciate you digging that up... I firmly do not believe that Vampires are serial killers, I will still say it is an excuse that they, meaning the killers use..



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I think it would be kind of hard for *outsiders* to distinguish between vampires & serial killers...but, generally, serial killers have several different, more *defining* patterns, whereas vampires as a rule only have a couple key elements to differentiate them.



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well, i'm not totaly sure that u can determine what they are...unles u meet them or get details...



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that is true tho...most would be dead if they followed human morals...i never really thought about that one



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Yes, but not in every case.



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Yes they could be but logically not every serial killer is a vampyre for if they were then the wordl would be overun wiht those of sick mind killing for nohtign but pleasure nto to feed or gain sutenance only for the pleasure they get out of killing something.



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shoudnt,,... but world is fucked up,...



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I'm not saying that all serial killers were vampires, just maybe some of the ones that had a blood fetish. And just maybe they got a little caried away with what they were.



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Vampires can be cerial killers but... you got to remember that not all vampires are bad and evil.

Most cerial killers are just crazy psyco paths that lost their minds from some freak accedent that happened in their life.



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We had a thread a while back on serial killers too that y'all might find interesting :)



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I think some serial killers just try and use it to gloryfy themselves and to be like well its the way i am , who knows though tc



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I think that alot of the time the media give these killers a vampire status, mainly to play on peoples minds more, as from a very young age we are programed to believe that vampires are evil killers. So the media play on this fear of vampires and the unknown to scare people even more.

While reading one of my books, I read a story about a vampire who lurks in the tunnels and catacombs which lye beneath the city of Liverpool, apparently in folklaw around here, he is still there.

Several women and children went missing from the work house which used to be where one of the Catherdrals now sits, and the press at that time called the killer a vampire. Several people claim to have seen 'him', but there is no actual proof that he was a vampire.



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there are serial killers out there pretending to be vampire so they whont get caught but most do then they plead insanity



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it possible



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I have learned long ago most anything is possible, this matter is no different in my opnion.



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There's a huge difference between being a serial killer and killing to stay alive. Vampires kill much like a mortal man slaughters his livestock to feed his family. There's really no difference. Serial killers kill for enjoyment. We do it for life.



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who knows for sure...Bathory....Vlad....Dahmer all liked blood for some reason...Maybe they were vampires maybe just trying to make people believe it as a sort of scare tactics, maybe just labeled that by viewers of the time How do we know if they themselves even claimed to be vampires?



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hey, anything's possible, there might be some, and ther'ye might be none. you just never know...

-zani



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I kind of agree with alexandradangelo.

Vampires, while predators, kill/ feed to meet basic requirements. And vamps dont need to kill to feed.

People don't call predatory animals like cats serial killers because they hunt and eat mice, now do they?



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Vampyres and serial killers are not one in the same. I do believe most serial killers are just people who have an addiction yo kill. As a vampyre has no itention to fully kill just drink your blood .~NFA



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Vampires shouldnt kill when they feed and then they wont get accused of being serial killers.



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studies shown on the criminal brain most have pyscological handicaps from events in their childhood for example thier was one criminal who as a boy played with dolls but was never alowed to get eyes for his dolls because they were too expensive well their were some other child things that turned him but thats not my point when he grew up and started to kill people he cut out their eyes



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well not all vampires are killers for blood or killers at all i think the movies and the myths and legends make it seem that way there are alot of different kind of vampires out there in all cultures they are different



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well not all vampires are killers for blood or killers at all i think the movies and the myths and legends make it seem that way there are alot of different kind of vampires out there in all cultures they are different



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It's probably on one of my links on my profile...but it states that's it's agaist the Vampire code of ethics to kill, the black veil I believe. Being a vampire doesn't make you have homicidal tendencies, it just makes you thrive of a different energy source, which may be a little "grotesque" for those who don't understand. I speak of sangs here. But seriously, anyone can snap and turn into a crazy knife-wirlding psychopath.



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interesting thats all i can say.. to many good pionts made and great infomation



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You can blame it on anything you want to, but in the end it was still you that did it.



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Why not? Its quite possible that vampires and serial killers are one in the same. It could also be an explanation for the thousands of people that simply go missing. Until someone is actually caught and proven to be a vampire, there is always the possibility.



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not to step on anyone toes here, but I disagree with this arguement. We try to hide our exstince as much as possible, add on to the fact, most of us are honorable creatures; and to do what some do and let it get noticed, is just not honorable, so I must say a:
NO.



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Anyone can be a serial killer. It's part of the dysfunction of their brain. They could be vampire, or your average human it doesn't matter. Sure, vampires aren't supposed to kill, but some do. Some can be so driven by the bloodlust that it becomes like gluttony. They don't stop, they just want more. For every positive there is a negative, and in this world we live in, anything is possible.



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take it aanyway u want ....to tell u the truth we really dont care... well i dont, confront me and ill drain you of your life....it just our way of life



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HEY>>look up old new's from sanfrancisco>>early 60's or 70's>>a group of vampire's>> you find out>>>>I think it's what u want?



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im my opinion. I feel Serial Killers use the vampirism as a tool to try to make them insane.

Because if they were truely vampires then even when they are caught and sent to jail the killings would not stop. They are sent to a jail where there are other people there. So therefore they would continue to kill if they were really vampires.



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i think the seiral killers are insane so they might think they are coz this homeless guy that lives neer me thinks hes a vampier and he is clinicly insane



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i totally agree with lord vampiro



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Once again, it depends whether you think that humans and vampires are a separate species, and whethr you can 'be' a vampire or obtain a certain sate of mind and perception of your surroundings.



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I agree with Kabal, most of us are decent, and honorable citizens, not bloody thirsty animals...most people can kill, and have given opportunities! Anyone can kill, but it takes a sick, derranged person to repeat that situation again and again. How can they sleep at night?!?!



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I agree with all the points made it is possible to have that be true and then there are just the sickos that make it all bad..



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Not all serial killers can be vampires. some are just psychotic people or posers



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Makes ya think dont it



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00:06:06 Jan 10 2006
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I think we all agree that most serial killers are distracted sociopaths that had a ruff upbringing, and/or a tormented moment in their childhood.

But that is not the issue here. From what I stated above, is it at all possible that some of these labeled Serial killers could have been misinterpreted to their true nature? Or if they were a little “f’@#$ d in the head” by human moral standards, could it be possible that some of these serial killer's/vampires went off the “deep end” when feeding.



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i agree to some extent..but you cant honestly say weither or not they could have been vampyres...sometimes a person commits a crime out of what they have learned through abuse in their life..some are unbalanced and some do it just to see if they can get away with it or just to hurt others...
the human mind is vast and complex and still people cant pinpoint the reasons behind why people commit serious crimes..they themselves can honestly tell you.



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00:55:05 Jan 10 2006
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With all do respect, Unholygoth666, what kind of thread posting is “Ok Then”, 4 times. Please argue your point, I welcome criticism.

That’s true ZuberiUrdi, only the ones who commit such acts are the ones who can tell you who they are and why they did it. We are the ones just siting on the outside, speculating about what they are thinking and who they might have really been.



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It depends on why the vampire choses to kill. If he or she dose it for fun then yes that is a serial killer, but if he or she does it for survival then no I wouldn't say they are serial killers. If a lion kills a kezell dose that mean he is a serial killer. No. He is just trying to survive.



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07:52:21 Jan 10 2006
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I like the analogy Nightgod. You raise a good point, are we that much different from the lion in our quest for survival?



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14:11:50 Jan 14 2006
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no i believe some serial killers think they are vampires tho... like some kind of mental illness



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Interesting topic. I think the Zodiac Killer would be a good example for the simple fact he always killed at night and always women with something in common. I'm not calling this person a vampyre but whomever he was, he got away with everything he did, and he used runic language as codes. Ya never know....



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15:11:09 Jan 14 2006
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Well, you don't have to kill humans in order to survive. Bloodpacks are healthy, too *g*



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Again you amaze me with your responses Batchyld. You have a true insight to everything, you are a very gifted soul.

With that being said, I think we have reached the limit on this thread. Thanks to all for a good conversation.



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