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I am not Wiccan myself, but having studied it a bit, I become increasingly annoyed with people who say this religion is apart of Satanism.



Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

satonism is not a worship of the devil its objection to the church

comming from the word shiatan meaning the objecter

Wiccans have nothing to do with Satanism,they worship the earth and the elements.

Well the common opinion is that they both like to sacrifice animals..

...if anything, Wicca discourages it...it's about a peaceful relationship.....not a sadistic one.

well thats stupidity

actually wicca the reliegon is not confused with satanisim it's wichcraft that gets confused with it but withcraft gets confused with wicca.... and satanisim gets confused with devil worship ... it's a great big O circle O' confusion

well put

the only connection it that closed minded people don't want to or care to understand the differences

Satanists are actually anti-religous...Magick is practiced by some...The confusion comes from the misunderstanding of Pagan versus Satanism...Much different...

Correct me if I am wrong but
doesnt witchcraft, wicca and satanism
all get lumped into that "Devil Worship"
catergory with a lot of people?

Yes, with the "i don't care to know" people.
Ignorance =stupidity.

Some people are still living in the times of witch burning. Wicca is actually pretty peaceful. And satanism.. Eh, I have my own views on that.

I have quite a few friends who are wiccan
and I am still just barely covering the surface on learning about it....but I
will honestly admit, I do not know or understand ANYTHING about Satanism.

On satanist told me it is not a worship of Satan but more or less a worship of "self".

I'm lost....completely.

I can't tell you how sick i am of being confused for a satinist just because i am wiccan. Not that i look down on any views or beliefs of people. I just think that wicca is far different from satanism and it's annoying that two completley different belief systems could be confused ALL THE TIME. GRRRR.......

Indeed, a satanist, worships himself above all (like if he was his own god).

Ok...so if a Satanist does not worship Satan...why call yourself a SATANist?

Just asking so I can understand it better...

I don't call "myself" a satanist.
For what i know, satan has a diferent meaning for them, it's the fact that most of people are so used to hear about the christian meaning of the word, that makes people to be confused.
But than again, i'm not an expert.

Now I could be wrong but I am kind
of understanding it this way....
Now Satan was said to be (as the stories I've been told) the most handsome angel in heaven who basically....well, has a big fat ego....lol....and pretty much thought he should be #1. Which could be why it is called "Satanism".....Ok I'm grasping at straws here....lol

It makes sense, but we are getting off topic here.
The bottom line is, wicca and satanism are not the same thing, and what i believe that makes ignorant people think that, it's because both use pentagrams (altough one is upside down and the other isnt), and that is enough for them. (i say ignorant, because they dont try to find out if it is or it isnt the same thing)

hmm..

Satanists are much different.
I myself know a satanist. He does practice Magick.

I also know Pagens and Wiccans. They all have thier different practices and beliefs.

And yes, a lot of people think the pentical and pentigram are symbols of evil.

People who think that the Occult is evil, have no tolerence, and are ignorent bastards.

Wiccans believe in a god and goddess or many dependings on which path they are on.

Christians believe in God and Satan where God is the good and Satan is the evil/bad. Satan is therefore a christian god (albeit - the anti god)

So .... how can wiccans worship satan when he is not even part of their religion.

My parents are christians and I am wiccan and believe me they think that i am practicing evil . .. so much for openmindedness and acceptance from the ones you love :)

I call myself a satanist only because I disagree so strongly with religion. I do not see why we should worship one guy he hasn't done anything for me. except cause pain and anguish.

But being a satanist doesn't mean i worship satan. I tend to believe in Satan more then a god but i know if i believe in Satan then there has to be some good guy out there. And i just don't believe in that.

hehe the gist of satanisim is basically that deep down no matter how self rightous you are everybody is a satanist that you do things cause they make you feel good ... like "I wanna help all the poor starving children of the word" why to feel better about yourself and back yourself feel good nobody actually runs off and says i wanna infect myself with Ebola and die screaming and means it....


just clearing that lil bit up the problem is ppl misunderstand the name satanisim even in the title of the thread .... the base of this I think is that ppl think wiccas- devil/demon worshippers ... think alot of it stems from older story and cinema portraying or calling satan worshippers either witches or satanisits mordera wicca as I understand it more closely resemples the old druidic belief system with an ommision of animal sacrifice ( wich btw was even seen in old testamet of the juedao christian belief structure and many other religeon) due to the old magic of the blood idea ....

just saying.... yes some of my facts can be a little off I only losely study belief systems I do not follow for when I get into theological debate .. but some are not hehe you'd be amazed how many christians have no idea who lilith is... cause well I do pick them up from actual documentation

It is true that wiccans and satanists get lumped into a "devil worshiping" sterotype. People are just ignorant and afraid to do any research for fear of looking "anti-god". You should see peoples faces when they find out I'm not christian, but infact pagan. They ask me if i worship "the devil", and I say "no, the devil is christian, and I am not christian." they then proceed to yell at me "the devil IS NOT christian"
yeah, ok.

indeed....

some satanists are really 'down to earth' and kind..
They just dont.. agree with... most of the worls concepts of 'god' and religion

hehe " the devil is NOT christian" lol ... no ... wait.... he isn't ... he's a jew LOL just like Jesus hehehe that's even better

Yes Jesus being a "Jew" always gets 'em red in the face too. HeeHee

~doing my part to piss off the religious right.~

an earlier post mentioned the thought that they are both accused of animal sacrifice....I have spent 15+years researching various different religions and cults....everything from santeria and voodoo to christianity and mormonism and a few in between...including both wicca and satanism....
in all of them that I have studied the only ones having ANYTHING at all to do with animal sacrifice is hatian style voodoo and a little in brazilian santeria...but even when animal sacrifice is used, it is still done in a way that is not inhumane..the animal is killed quickly and normally fairly painlessly....I'm sure there are many examples that go against what I have just said...but I am just talking about what I personally have found in my researches....but to the main question....
simple misinformation from 1000+ years of religious persecution has left most people with many wrong ideas of what the various occult style faiths are all about.....in many cases outright lies have been taught as simple truth for quite literally generations...it is going to take a very long time for the world as a whole to accept that what they were taught for so long is totally wrong...
opinions after all do not change over night...but the process has begun.....even to the point that police services are being taught how to deal with occult situations, even the military has rules of accepotance concerning peope of "alternative" faiths....it is not liked yet...but it is accepted under the religious rights and freedoms acts in both canada and the states...i'm not sure about elsewhere...

Well Wicca being put in the same catagory as Satanists is radicals. Wiccans don't believe in Satan they believe that man makes his own evil.

The people who say Wiccans are Satanists are just stupid.

It's always liket hat someone,who has no knowledge about other religions strats to judge it,how can anyone say it's satanist when they know nothing about it?

The reason Christianity considers Wicca and other religions to be "devil worship" is because these religions do not believe in the "one true God" and therefore have been led astray. The one they believe does the leading and astraying (haha) is Satan. They believe that even though he may not be asking you to kill your parents, by keeping you away from the shining light of Gods love, he keeps you from heaven, which is his goal. They pretty much figure he is leading you on with a ruse.

Note: Before you ask, I'm not christian, I'm a follower of the Native Way, I just listen real closely.

Very true another reason why Wicca is considered as satanist is cause of the Pentagram.

Most don't know the difference of the upright and down right pentagram,what a shame.(And some of the ''satanists'' I know where it upright lmao)

Thing is the pentagram was used in Christainity n the medieval times.

Anyway it's all judgementalism,practie and believe what you want not hat others want you.

If I did what others told me I wouldn't be even here.

Because it's easyer to stuff it all in the same bag...Stupidity and ignorance go hand in hand.
Good point Enigma.

i think a lot of that general idea of wicca being some kind of satanist religion comes from christian people who, no offense to any christians out there, tend to think that anything other than christianity is satanist . . . also, the wiccan religion recognizes the christian lord as a major power . . . so no, i don't personally believe that if you're a wicca you're a satanist.

people tend to fear things they don't understand. popular religion labels things they are afraid of as evil.

wot bullshit! i am wiccan and therefore i know that its the pureist religion around

Satanists are only Selfish Bastards who want nothing more than self satisfaction. Trust me I married one :)

its just ignorance
if more people knew the truth about satanism then they wouldnt b so afraid of it

hey dont start having a go at satanists
im one
and some people do take it the wrong way, yes
but if u actually undestand it properly then its a great religion

No..no..no...
wicca are very positive.....satanist I think no....
You're on wrang way...
You do read more more & more..bye

I Think that the people that think that Wicca has anything to do with Satanists are way off.

I have been a wiccan for many moons now and wiccanism and satanism have nothing in common and are not the same. Although I do have to say that there is a dark path to wiccanism as with most other religions but we are not satanists. People need to get their facts straight.

Wicca is the earth religion, witchcraft being what they practice.

Satanism is putting yourself first-- the 'your body, your temple' aspect in a manner of speaking. It's about taking care of yourself first and foremost, and nothing else.

it is just societies was to lable a religion that is not in their classification of the "norm"

they feel that wiccans are witches and that witches are spawns of the devil...

lol but we all know that these people's views are nothin more the hysteria

I see myself as a satanist, I first studyed satanism when I was doing research for my College dissertation, which was primarily on Marilyn Manson, and why people think he is evil.

Satanism, I believe is the Hebrew word for opposition. La Vey chose the name for his religion as it was in opposition to the Christian Church, Satan he said meant that the 'weak' wouldn't jump on the band wagon, as the Christian faith has always assosiated the word satan with the fallen angel, or the devil.

Satanism is about self worship, believing we create our own good and evil, and doing what feels right. It also teaches respect, have respect for people when you are in their lair, but if anybody disrespects you in your own lair, do as you please with them. Some Satanists do use Majik/magik, that along with the use of the pentacle has been the reason people assosiate Satanism and wicca, along with iggnorance of not bothering to learn about either religion.

In my opinion you should not judge somebody else or dissrespect their religion until you have studied it. Even then you shouldn't disrespect their beliefs, as we are all free to believe what we wish.

Way, way off.
People talk, and associate wiccans with evil, but forget, or most likely don't know, that the three fold law is the first thing you learn, right ?(wiccans correct me if I'm wrong)

Technically, I'm regarded as a follower of satan too. Even though I'm not wiccan. Anything thats not Christian is "evil, and guided by satans hand" they say. And my religions older than theirs. At least, so it is said.

I hate that assumption. To those that make it; I say this, "Go forth and learn, be ignorant no longer."

Its my thought at least.

The thing that most of you fail to see and understand, is that to a Christian, someone who is wiccan is worshiping Satan. Christianity does not believe in your gods and goddesses any more then you believe in the Christian God and Satan. There are two sides in Christianity... You worship God, or you've been led astray by Satan. And many of you are replying with the argument that you don't worship Satan because he doesn't exist. A Christian knows that you are wrong in that, and that your heathen gods and goddesses are false idols created by Satan to lead the weak away from God.

Agree, but they could atleast read a little before stating that Harry Potter is the Beast in disguise...It's ridiculous.

There are always fanatics. And regardless of their religion and/or political views, they're loonies.

I still think, that it s a waste of time to actually care about what those ignorant people say.
Why should we care? They are the ones living in a lie, in an ilusion created by theyr own beliefs and teachings.
If they aren't inteligent enough to find the truth for themselfs... let them be happy with theyr ignorance.

I agree with that too ToiletDuck. When people close their minds it doesen't matter in which box they are closing themselves, because they just don't want to get out to consider or accept another point of view.
True. In the end, it's their swet that's running for nothing...

LOL at the Harry Potter comment rofl!!!!!!!!!!!

But to them, the exact opposite is true.

It's not who's right and who's wrong, it's believing what you find to be true, and extending tolerance and acceptance of others' beliefs.

In my experience, Wiccans, not all, but most, are the single worst group of religious believers for persecuting others for their beliefs. Most Wiccans will go to any length to debaucherize Christianity in any way they can. There are several examples of this in this thread.

ToiletDuc, what i ment was, in the point of view why this thread was created.

I don't think that's being wiccan...it's being immature.
In the end, anything that tries to impose itself by dogma and persecusion is denying the concept of faith it self...

The world would be better if we all got along and were free to beleive in what we want and accept and respect others' believes,but this is a dream.

sabbat, you were calling them stupid and ignorant. That is precisely the lack of tolerance and respect I'm talking about.

Thats Utopia, deathnitegrl.

ToiletDuc, yep, your right about that, i admit it, but why should i deny the truth?
How do you call someone that has a predefined belief of something, and simply dont care to learn about it to be sure of what they believe in?

That's John Lennon and Imagine...
But I agree with you DeathNitegrl...It would be so much better to everyone....But then again, magickal and mythical (sp?) thinking comes with being here with a brain
Gods might have started in the spirit of man Kind with the first question that went beyond instinct.
People might have started mystical thinking with the first Homo-Habilis that wondered why there were storms...I know, I maybe pushing it a little but my point is, as long as people think, people will get to their beliefs, simply because we, Man Kind NEED explanations, and have dreams and expectations and anxieties.
That's why it's a beautiful utopia: every person has its vision, its dream and maybe, if we weren't so pushed to believe in what is established, its own gods, or lack of them.
Many people do that, just not the marjoraty. ; )
Just my two cents.

"How do you call someone that has a predefined belief of something, and simply dont care to learn about it to be sure of what they believe in?"

I call them most of the followers of organized religion. With the exception of most of what I've read about the Hindi beliefs anyway.

The way I see it... you are not wrong, nor stupid, nor ignorant because of whatever religious beliefs you choose to follow. If that is the best way for you to practice yoru spirituality, then there is nothing wrong with it. Nor do I expect you to accept my beliefs, because they, at some point, will not agree with yours, whatever they may be.

I will, however, peacably argue my beliefs against anyone who wishes to do the same with theirs, as long as the conversation remains civil and reasonably focused.

That, I find, is the best way to grow spiritually. Because, even in the most typical outcome, neither person has changed the other's beliefs in the slightest bit, each person has explored and cemented their own beliefs that much more. And sometimes, something will strike you and make you think, "Hmm... that does kind of make sense, maybe they're on to something."

I dont think its right at all to compare one to the other. Wiccans from what I know reflect peace, working with nature.. not so much worshipping things. Also there is no satan or "devil" To say they are the same thing is a load I think. That is just my opinion though.

It would be great if everyone was able to keep that kind of open mind.

I agree, but there are those that simply don't care to argue, simply don't want to listen or don't care too.
I agree that people should be open minded to others beliefs, but that doesn't mean they have to accept the ones that don't care.

Calling people stupid and ignorant for their religious beliefs is far from being open-minded about it.

I didn't read through all the posts on here so I apologize if my input is repetitave. Wiccans do get classified with satanism. I have also noticed that pagans overall have this same problem. I am a witch but I am not wiccan, nor am I satanist. I did study wicca for a bit, and they do not sacrifice animals. I actually had a heated debate with a newsreporter here, and have to meet him for an interview, because of this very same misconception. To slay an animal is actually totally against the wiccan beliefs. They find all things to do with nature sacred. I could go on on this for a while but time does not permit me to.

That's exactly the point...The ones that don't care, are the ones that are closed within them selves.
I think tolerance and dialogue is important here.
There is a reason for having advantages in listening. The ones that don't care, and will push your beliefs on you, are the ones that are showing you what NOT to do.
I believe that all things have a purpose, but that's me - that's not gonna stop me from hearing what others have to say (how do you think I found out about the Harry Potter thing?!), or defend what I believe in - but I don't have to be agressive or abusive towards people that have a closed view on things.
Good for me that I try not to.

I didn't say i was, i said i believe in it, but also, i dont see why i should respect someone that shows certain attitudes.
Thats saying that we should be tolerant with the untolerante, and i honestly dont see the point in that, it's like saying that we sho9uld be tolerant with the racist crimes that have occured until today, after all, racism is a belief.
There is a sentence that i say sometimes, and can describe this very well, "I can tolerate peoples beliefs, but not theyr actions."

ToiletDuc is correct but I also have something to add to this.

Satanism is little more than fleshism. Satanic worship is what most people think Satanism is, but that is not true. I have read the Satanic Bible as used by satanists. Most satanists I know just revel in their own sinning.

I also have studied many reigions in my quest for knowledge. I suggested you all do the same. Fight ignorance within yourself, read, learn. Pepole refusing to do as I just said are the reason a thread like this was even started.

BTW I am wiccan, just FYI, to let you all know what drew me to this thread.

Stupidity and blind faith are two of the biggest sins in neo-satanism.

That much I definatley have to agree with.

Neo-satanism? Never heard of that one, thats something i will have to look for. (always learning new things)

I have to step and say something now. This is a very interesting thread, but I feel the need to add my own viewpoint.
Satanism, as commonly seen in my area of the world, is not "everything not Christian must be guided by the Devil's hand". I believe that there is evil in the world.
Is there a being out there who creates it all and then gives it to us to use as we wish? I don't know. If I did, I probably wouldn't be posting this right now, I'd be trying to conquer the world.
Being a pagan and a wiccan, I don't believe in the devil, I believe in the evil that is a part of all of us. Does that make me bad? No, that makes me realistic.
Satanism has always been seen as the Anit-Church, granted. To compare it to paganism, witchcraft, and wicca is like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole: it doesn't match up.
The Keys of Solomon (for those of you looking for theological references) use both pentacles AND pentagrams, due to the inverted-outverted mysticism that comes with ancient Christian magic (not magick, as we all know, that's different).
To compare Wicca and Satanism is walking a very fine tight rope, one that you can fall off of very easily. The comparisons can be few and far between (like playing Seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon with no movie references).
The only thought that will probably get through this whole thing? Be careful making comparisons, and for the Sake of the Lady, do your f-ing research. Also, please do not help those who seek to keep the lies in cirulation by, with your attitudes, only reinforcing them.
ALSO, PLEASE, STOP SAYING "Those who believe that Wicca and Satanism are the same thing are just stupid." Congratulations, you have just posted the most common response to this particular thread. You've revealed yourself to be repetative.
THE END.

Very well said Sabbat.
Mahatma Ghandi once said "Hate the sin, not the sinner" - I think it applies here.
I'm not saying that we should tolerate everything, man, I'm a GreenPeace activist, does that say anything about me?!
I'm just saying that even with the most ignorant, close minded, annoying person, the biggest thick head you can imagine, there might be something to learn.
If you act towards them as they act towards you, there's no possible understanding. It's being a mirror to the actions of others.
I like to try tolerance first, but I admit that there are a lot of things I don't tolerate.
I'm a contradiction. That's me. Say it to my face, I won't get angry, because if I want the freedom to speak my mind, I feel that I must give that freedom to others.

The devil is a christian invention as they are the only ones that give the idea so much power by believing in him. there is no devil in wiccan only the Horned one who is the mate of the Goddess. If people will take the time to just understand the basics of a belief before they judge it I think there would be alot less misunderstanding. But as in ANY religion there are Those who abuse the power they are given or use it for their own purpose.............and that is the evil that exists.

People like that are lacking in knowledge of the Wiccan religion and also in the Satanism religion. People need to research what they are going to "state" before they speak it.

And sabbat, I use the term neo-satanism to differentiate between the more modern Lavey types of Satanism and the more classical view of Satanism being directly worshiping Satan.

Ok, got it now, was a bit confused on what you ment since i didn't find much trough google.

Most peaple today belive that wicca just poped up witch is not true.But because most peaple see it that way they relate it to evil or satists. I am going to stay neutral. No I am not a cristian I am a ex Wiccan I am a Grey hand.

I must say that I wasen't involved in such an interesting debate in some time.
Free-will. I guess that's what should be respected so that people could have a better understanding of echother's choices.
We all born free.
Look at babies: they don't question their instincts, and that's how they learn.

hehe the real problem here is the fact that christians do not believe in the balance of things I hate to pull a quote from a fantasy novel and use it in a theological discussion but it is a damn accurate phrase " when the balance shifts to far to either good or evil something happens evil by it's very nature will turn upon itself but good is much more insidious that it will breed intollerance looking for new things to claim as impure" see the problem isn't our beliefs or lack there of is not the problem but their own squed veiw of what is good and what is evil most others teach acceptance infact even the start of the jeudisim and christianitiy were all about acceptance but the church has lost it's way some were along the way ... they were supposed to lead by example to show ppl what they thought was the correct way not that thier ( the ones the believers are showing) way was wrong but to let the unbelievers see that your way was better ....*sigh* well that wording was just a mess but I think you get my point ... heel I have issues with christianity and the whole diefacation of christ being against what he was trying to show ppl ( if he was real that is) if anybody wants to here more on that tho send me a private messege or we can start a new thread

"looking for new things to claim as impure"
Very interesting point...That makes me think of the Inquisition...The standard of intolerance, as I see it.

Oh oh oh...I'm Wiccan and I am glad that someone other than the Wiccan community is getting mad at ignorant people. I know for a solid fact that satanism is not Wiccan and people need to shut up if they think it is because they don't know squat.

I used to think I was wiccan... but then I found out I'm more agnostic and I find it kind of insulting when people compare it to devil worship and sacrificing animals... OF course that is just me... heh. I find it total bs.

People who do not understand the occult arts automatically assume it all involves the "devil". This is simply their ignorance playing a stupid role. I say shrug and walk away. It is very hard convincing these people that they are wrong.

umm...how can we be?
we don't believe in satan or hell...
stupid people confuse and scare me

["no, the devil is christian, and I am not christian." they then proceed to yell at me "the devil IS NOT christian"]

Woah.....now you just got my head spinning in about 20 different directions...

I know that the devil is "associated"
with Christianity, but how does
that make him "CHRISTIAN"?


To me that is like calling a
Great Pyranese a Persian.

Not being a smartass.. its just that
"The devil is christian" comment
just kinda knock me for a loop....

the devil is not christian ... see my earlier post after that one the devil is actually jewish...... as is jesus himself

That statement ment, that the "devil", is something that was created by christianity.

Jewish, but christians were the ones to give him all the importance it has today.

um...yea, satan cannot be related because there is no influence whatsoever of such. we are not devil worshipers...at least not what i study.

yea... satanism is completey different .. satanism is all about enjoying life... and doing everything that christianoty says is a deadly sin.. like sex b4 marriage... wicca is nature worship that accepts witchcraft that benefits peoiple.... and has strict laws governing the use of witchcraft among its followers...

Satanism isn't all about doing what the chiristians concider a deadly sin.
Maybe in neo-satanism (has ToiletDuc stated), but not in Lavey's satanism.
They acually condemn any kind of animal or human killing (jusy to remember "You shall not kill.").

[the devil is not christian ... see my earlier post after that one the devil is actually jewish...... as is jesus himself ]

This also brings up a VERY good point.
The Jews (well for the most part) dont even believe in christianity....
and Jesus himself was a Jew.

Now I have a tendency to go off topic alot...lol So...in order to stay on the topic of Wicca being associated with Devil Worship. I dont know if someone else said this or something similar cause I
didnt read through every single post...
Cause I am too damn lazy too...but anything that is non-christian is usually (in my experience) associated with Devil Worship.

*sigh* fine since this is the only religion topic going on the whole jesus is a jew thing and my not liking the deification of christ thing I do not like christianity at all cause if jesus did live I believe he was ment to be an example to man to show the hieghts of "goodness" a human can reach by saying he is the lord himself .... he is something you as a mere human could never be.... there is alot more to it but until and actual thread dealing with christianity comes up I'm not going into detail ....


hell is this post even really about wicca and satanisim or is it just about the stupidity and intolerance of the masses?

I believe that it is about the "stupidity of the masses", definitly, but this thread went way offtopic.

Christians will distort anything they do not understand to pretend to be a world power.

I have been wiccan for many years and delt with being called a satanist so when i am asked about that or called one i tell then i can't worship something i don't believe in and then tell them why don't you go read up on wicca on the web

Ohh that makes me so angry when Wicca and the practice of Witchcraft is lumped in. I Thank all those that understand and realize and are quick to educate those that are ignorant.
I could rant for hours.

interesting :)

well yet again what started as a decent enough concept for a thread degenerates into mudslinging....but at least i got my points in before that

it's not mudsling it is our shared dislike of the stupid LOL

closed mindedness is stupidity in any form...be it christian, wiccan, pagan, muslim, jew, or any other you so choose...
even hating stupidity falls into that closed mindedness....I pity the closed minded...but I try not to hate them....
but this is my last post in this thread....because it has degraded out of intelligence..into intolerance

If you really wanted to get into it some fundementalist organized religiouns will even claim that anything other than what they are practicing comes from Satan.

All in all it is like a number of other majority aspects where they absolutely fear anything that might change their paradigm on the stance they feel is correct.

i agree with the 1st comment from darksblade

Personally I believe that the wiccan religion was mascared by christianity. They called wiccans in the bible.."pagans and evil doers" supposedly. Which means obviously the worlds going to relate them to satan. In reality, the wiccan religion has nothing to do with satan, who is one of the gods in the christian religion...so yeah.

actually satan is not a god in the christian belief ... more like a ....demi-god I guess like the angels and demons( other fallen angels themself) all be it the strongest of those

to put it bluntly wicca is paganism and satainism is christianity ... theres allm the dif you need

Re-education time

Satan was the most beautiful ANGEL and God's favorite. He believed that certain people didn't belong in heaven and asked god to rule over them. God denied and cast satan into hell...giving him rule anyway.


I'm not christian but before you start bitching about your religion being bashed understand others.

This is why christians don't understand wicca, satanism, thelema, etc. Because we don't want to understand theirs.

im not bashin anyuns i know more bout christianity ten most christians i know and im a practicing celt ~pagan but im NOT a wiccan~

Nobody takes the time to educate themselves on Wicca or any other religion
and that is where the problem lies.

I practice wicca for awhile now and True wicca dose not .. Wicca crede

Do as thy Wilt and Harm None

The people who are saying this just fall with the others in opening their mouths before they understand something and yes it is getting old having wicca compare to worshiping Satan

Oh believe me I am sure that the Satanists find no humor in being compared to Wiccans either.

lol that's funny that some people actually think they are the same, wiccans don't even beleive in "satan", "lucifer", "the devil" so my advice to those who "don't know of wicca" or "think they know but arent sure" to read up on the book: Bucland's complete book of witchcraft.

Good luck getting the christians orcatholics to read this lol

NightBlossom


not sure if your comment was directed at me I was countering when somebody claimed that satan was one of the christian gods ... he's not a god at all I just used the term demi-god meaning that he is a umm higherbeing then mortals .. if you get what I am saying

Flan, to give you a better idea, without repeating myself and looking like a post whore. Look at the post I put up in Satanism, Paganism, Witchcraft, wicca. It will explain a little. However, if you want to know more for yourself, get the book The Satanic Bible. Satanism and Wicca are nothing alike. Wiccans worship the earth and elements, while Satanism is the worship of the body.

umm nomad not to be a prick about it but I think she is aware that they are different the post is more about the fools who just say that wichs or wicans are a bunch of devil worshippers ... ... ... ... sorry been folling the thread since it started .. and it seems you did not read to far into this thread is all

dark, as far as i know.. which i never really looked into satanism but satan = christian god, fallen angel, but then again in the old testimate the word lucifer meant the accuser, and as christianity went along that became a "GOD" that's why i'm not a christian though ;-)

Ok, now this is for all the people that posted in this thread:
this thread started becaus of people that simply believe and say that wicca and satanism are the same or that they are related. This beliefs come sfrom misinformation, and generally this people smply don't cqare in learning more about what they are talking about. Closed minded? If being closed minded is not accepting the fact that there are people that simply dont care to learn more about what they are talking about, and that simply want to go on with the predefined beliefs they have, and for that being intolerant towards something that they in fact DO NOT know, and not being able to call those same people ignorant and stupid, than by all means i am closed minded. But than again, the same people that call me closed minded and stupid for being so, arent they all closed minded?
"Open minded" is an ilusion, no one can trully be open minded about everything, everyone has limits.
"I can accept someones beliefs but not theyr actions", what i mean with this (towards this particular subject), is that i my accept that someone thinks that wicca and satanism are related, i can accept that they were lead to believe in that over time, etc, but what i cannot accept, is that they simply may argue about it so strongly, when they simply don't trully know what they are talking about, and simply don't care to learn.

Just out of curisosity, i looked up for something on the dictionary:

Main Entry: ig·no·rant
Pronunciation: 'ig-n(&-)r&nt
Function: adjective
1 a : destitute of knowledge or education ; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence

Now tell me, did i say something wrong by calling those people ignorant? I don't think so.

By calling them ignorant? No. I agree that people that say that wicca and satanism, and magick practicing is the same are ignorant.

i said the name of a book in one of my posts, the other is for satanism.. all you gotta do to learn about that is the satanic bible.. although most won't even open the book... so how "Ignorant" of them to argue now when the resources have just been handed out

Thats a good point, it's not like they will have to search, for the subject.

in wicca we sacriface animals???? im very offened by this, im a wiccan and wiccan dont even dream about it...lets face it, im tried of such comparisions, i am really..as must be my other fellow wiccans. Wicca is a nature realigon, based on the old ways. we have nothing to do with satanisim which is basically about self worship, we honur the lady and the lord, mind you honour...and we respect all living creatures...our rede let it harm none do what thou wilt

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