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I'm sure this must have been posted at some stage but couldnt find anything...

I wish to hear what the collective intelligence of this fine community believe of the Vampire Heirarchy...

Do you believe that the breed is controlled by a single entity a la Queen of the Damned...?

Do you believe the creatures of the night are controlled by a Council of Elders as portrayed in Laurell K. Hamilton's Anita Blake Vampire Hunter Series...?

Or have you heard other myths, other truths... or your own beliefs...

I want to hear it all.

The vampires of myth who would be refered to in your community as 'vampires' (don't want to start that debate over again) seem to be very solitary creatures acting on their own as they are either driven or want to.

I think the idea of communities of vampires exists very firmly in modern vampire culture - I have seen people make mention of 'real' covens. These must have leaders to exist

I prefer to thin kwe ll all individuals no matter if we r human vampire or anything else

Perhaps in some sects of Vampire communities there is a single leader, but I think over-all, there are none, unless they choose to be governed. Many on here claim to be solitary, after all.

I don’t think that they would have one leader a counsel i am sher

as with any "group", there r different levels. yes there ARE Elders and Yes there IS one that it head of the "group" As for one that is head of all groups...another YES. Usually lets the groups argue among themselves..Grumpy critters we can be..lol

Some research is available, but only when on the inside can you truly "know" and dont have to try to have a "belief"..Beliefs are always changed..once you know something, you know it. Doesnt matter what anyone says or tries to prove to you or how the movies are etc.. It just is.
grin Oh, and the research? You wont get very far. Its not allowed out in public. Sorry.

I don't think there would be one person or one group that had control over everybody in the vamp world. It seems a bit impossible in any situation.


Though it is likely for there to be separate private herarchy in some groups. But everybody who's a vamp isn't nessasarily in a group.

I personally would think that it would be something like the mob... one leader that is head and then like subs and it works its way down. I really dont know, but that is how I would imagine it to be.

I believe that there are elders and or leaders but for me personalily I'am a solitary vamp... but I do believe that their out there... like with wicca or other things some may have covens or houses it just depends on what you believe...

I would say no....we're one un to ourself'ves

I belive that each one of us are our own leaders when we are a lone there are some that perfer to have a "coven" and they usaly do have a leader

I am familiar with the Temple of Set.

sorry...*
And yeah, though there is little known about them, unless you're a member (and then you can't go around telling all their secrets). They have a leader organization, too. And the higher up in status you are, it is because of how long you've been there.
I think ever the solitary Vampires would have some one higher up to answer to, especially if something went wrong.

Although many vampires do seem to be solitary in nature everyone searches for a sense of belonging. My experience with this is that there are actual covens that exist. These groups are headed up by one leader. I have never heard of a Nationwide house that governs these covens though.

I believe they all long for affection somehow.....and Im sure one or a couple have HUGE egos to where they need to be in control....

i believe that its a mix of houses/covens and solitary. some will look for the companionship of those like them while others like walking the path alone

I believe it is ruled by a bunch of elder vampires. I think one all powerful being leading a group is just not possible.

Yes we have ranking system organization,
it is totally diffrent from status system vampire rave have and that is all i can say for maintaining balance under confidential matters.

Easiest way to explain...look at governments, then apply.
Just because it is not in the open doesnt mean it does not exist.
I wish I could say more, but I cant. so theorize away my young friends

it is my belief that vampires are solitary creatures for the most part.... there are what 6000plus people drawn to this website and i would dare say hardly any are involved in houses or covens. not everyone lives in huge cities where there seems to be a pleathera of gothic vampire scences....

i think part of VRs success is because there are not physical communities to fill the needs of psy and sang vampires... and in the house/coven system here, it is what you make of it... the criteria for advancement in this society is based so much on time and looking and pages, but that does not equate to leadership by any means. I do not say this to belittle anyone. there are lots of knowledgable individuals to have meaningful discussions with, and i am sure i have learned from VR members....

but is it anything like the societal structure depicted in books and novels? hardly.

There are those that band together and set up a hierarchy and those that are solitary. Some solitaries will have friends and companions, but no one leader, per se. Like those who walk the solitary pagan/witch lifestyle. Depends on what you feel you need or desire.

I walk alone and have friends and companions at my side but no leader(s).

Anciently, there were. However today... who knows? If such a hierarchy exists, then, as stated in the Book of Jude (Bible), as they have "separate(d)" themselves from the known world, we cannot know where they are, who they are, nor how they might be organized... or not.

there are plenty of vampires that do not seperate themselves per say. while some do not want organization, others long for it i am sure... it was a good point about comparing it to religion/faith... some need structure to thrive, while others can grow on their own...

I have read someplace,that some modern vamps,are rulled with and presidental head vampire to keep an order to the natural world.
Some...vamps like to take things alone.
Others..need master to help them with training,into becomming more accurate with there abilities.
Do I believe this?
I donno.

As in all walks of life, there are those who ae big into community as welll as preferring the life of a loner(s). Who's to say this situation would be any different? I suspect that for survivalist reasons alone, many were made to scater and adapt on their own. *thought* European families hose lines reach far back into the beginning of time, practically.

Well, in terms of the vampire community, different groups have "leaders" who have stepped forward and done more to unite the community or have simply gained reputation through their writings, etc.

I think that the term "leader" is rather loosely defined. There isn't any one group of people that "controls" everyone else, per se. Rather vampires I would think retain a high degree of singularity and independence unless one decides to submit to the authority of a group for membership.

i have read about several houses in various cities, but other than that... for the individuals who do believe there is a group or leader...could you share your sources?

I was wondering though.The human government controlls secrets..and mainly controlls human society.Do vampiers of any kind do this as well?To there own kind..to keep controll?I mean if anyone knows for shure if its true or whatever.
I know there are vampire laws.
I also know that many still don't fallow them..and say they can get in trouble..BIG trouble for not fallowing the laws.
I know..cause I was told..
But is it really true?

I believe there could be a combination of both. If covens and such exist there would have to be a leader of some sort at the top. Otherwise, there would be a constant pull for control and power...with any organization comes leadership. But, I also believe there are those who do not work well with others...hehehe and therefore, could definitely live a more solitary lifestyle than others.

Ah, Hell, there's probably a whole group of Elders out there who stick to themselves, but make it their duty to look after the younger generations and to arrange any clean-up if things get messy. But I don't think they're all-powerful and have ultimate control over Vampires. I think they just let them do their own thing, or else we'd know about them, right? But if a Vampire were to answer to anyone... that is questionable at best. As I've said, many are solitary and do not believe they need anyone above them. They believe themselves to be powerful enough to get by on their own, or just fly under the radar and cause no problems :) While others thrive for a higher power to set them in order and lead them on, teaching as they go. If a Vampire has a higher power, it's probably their Master and/or Mentor. A leader is someone who has just stepped up to the plate and does what's needed.
heh, just to throw in a quote: "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." Perhaps we can apply that to this thread.

I believe we are all individuals and should live as such. Besides, don't ya think the government is the one who thinks they control us anyway..That is the heirarchy

>Dragoness

Oh yes,we living in under every laws,this is needless to remind and indeed it get into big trouble whoever violated.Our calculation of karma is way longer compared calculation of solar system.Our law have been made based on cosmical laws.

And as usual please do not say you are one of us unless all of these are in you in respect.

We vampires are not in any religions nor philosophies.

We vampires are noble.

We vampires are friends with many lords
from diffrent dimensions.

We vampires are fun-loving by instinct.

We vampires did not have any war with tribe of lycan in the past.We study cosmical laws.

We vampires have nothing to do with vampire temple.They are simply worshippers of undead gods and neo-nazi group in sweden called Vitt Ariskt Motstånd also as known as wolfsangel in symbols.

We vampires are not same as vampyres.
Do not be misunderstood about our tribe
by them.

I have yet to be approached by anyone who feels a need to control my vampiric side, so I don't believe that there is anyone/thing out there that does.

I do believe that there is an origin for vampires, just as there is for humans and any other creature on this planet. The question is, what was it, and when did it begin. I don't know that we'll ever know the answer to that.

Granted there are some that are solitary but when I mentioned that everyone, including vampires, look for a sense of belonging simply take a look at Vampire Rave. What brings vampires to this site? It is wanting to find others that are similar and share their experience.

That is the reason that I joined the site. I wanted to be around people that had similar traits as me.

ask the moon if you can then read some.
not a sire amongst you

i belive it has something to do with when there soul first came on to this planet ye mabe might be ha

>Stabb666

Yes,this is where law of friendship/fellowship
proven cosmically.

Friendship and fellowship though do not create leaders, but a society of learners/teachers where it is hard to discern who falls into what category....

No,it does not matter:)
It is for all souls including lords.

Well, one would assume that there would be a "queen or king", but there would also be elders for each of the vampire comunities. They would have to have someone to explain to them the "laws" of their society.

Yes,exactly.

just as any other society thier is a hierarcy in the vampire world...

I think in some way all vamps are related in a tiny way....

i believes vapires to be mainly solitary creatures but in the case of a coven or whatever there would have to be a master to offer guidance and leadership

Sometimes it is very hard to post complete answers to some if these questions. There are things we are allowed to tell you but much more that we are not. It is very frustrating, but we MUST abide by our laws. We are an illusive bunch and want to stay that way. Some of us want to help the younger ones, but are allowed to do so only in bits.

I would tend to lean towards a council of elders who's main purpose is secrecy and deal swiftly with those who threaten it

good answer razor. You understood my point

opinions and answers are 2 completely different things..opinions are what you believe to be true.....answers are what you KNOW to be true

And yet of them all... mortals I mean... you seem to think you KNOW it all...

There has to be some form of leadership, for all Vampires are killers of some description... Do you truly believe the breed could risk a psychopathic vampire tearing mortals to shreds, risking discovery and swift annihalation...?

Thank you Nikolai. I agree with you..a lot that claim to know are the movie goers and the book readers. Only very few have experience of knowing.
But it's ok.. at some point they always show their ignorance. It's what makes this fun..lol

I would have to say No.. They are more solitary creatures.

Id have to say even though vamps are solitary creatures there still must be some ruler or someone that helps out when things go wrong, when acts to perform need to be delegated or even when advice is needed.....

Nikolai,there is no point revealing this,
take a look at level first,i am disappointed.
We may can tell further when it is evolved
more more than now,not currently at all.

I think collectively we are all connected. Maybe just for me, this is the best site to really follow this possibilty of following an leader which is my House Master. Deity, I do serve you and our house.

Good question dearie.I never went in much for the "I am the ultimate leader power thing"Not that I don't respect any creature ,man or whatever that has been around longer than myself.But I don't believe in a all supreme leader of us.I think we are all connected in some way, be it dna or something undiscovered as of yet.

I have only met one vampire in my life that I would consider a leader of the community.In the sense that he helps anyone who asks him and has spend the greater portion of his life helping our kind.
But as far a hierarchy, nay..we are the same underneath it all.I just think we are at different levels of our learning and existence.
I know some covens here in Chicago and U.K. but have never really been impressed by the leaders there.No offense meant, just my opinion.

I think there are probably elders out the keep tabs on as many vamps as they can but I am not sure about 1 head person. Semms a little too fiction based.

I believe there are governering elders that are kept quite secret.

I would have to say that I believe there is a heirarchy which is headed up by a council of elders where organization is involved. This is not including those that are rogue.

with any particular race, there is those that have knowledge and power...more than others...

In the way of Vampires. Each sect...or clan, has their elders or Masters...to lead them, guide them. But I don't know that there is a "Queen" or Absolute Master vampire..

I think vampires are solitary rogue creatures

There are groups out there who use levels of membership as a way to show commitment to a group. However, the legit ones will never try to sell you the concept of being royalty. They will NOT tell you they are better then you (especially without even getting a chance to know you). They will NOT try to claim to have literally impossible "magickal" powers and abilities straight out of fiction.

If one wants to know these laws,where does one go to learn the correct ones?Does someone go to you..or do you use your sences and find a true leader of the vamp laws?
Simon,
I will never say,that I am somthing ..but myself.I am me.Now what I am,Only 'I' should be concerned with.
What is it now...ummm.
Never say what you are.heh.

Every species has a leader, be it animals or humans or other races. Maybe one person, or maybe a group, a council. Yes i believe there is a council.

>Dragoness

You asked,i answered.
This has nothing to do with self identify.

And no we cannot tell where or how.
Do not ask why.I mentioned on eariler post.

All nations need leadership and law. If there were no leaders to govern this. when the human race would have been wiped out long ago which would mean we would have basically starved our self animal blood and energy is different from what we have to have so yes a council governs clans the ~Sire~ of the individual clans are very important for teaching purposes.

More Hollywood nonsense. Vampires are like people, some are in clans others like to live all on their own. There are a variety of lifestyles just like any culture.

... Perhaps it's not so much a "leader", but a social class? Like, just turned, newly made/born, whatever, Vampires are on the bottom and the older, more skilled Vampires are at the top, like in respect, you'd follow them. Your status could grow this way...
Just an idea I got from a book I just finished reading :)

it is all of it and none of it. there are leadersand councils and rogues aplenty.

I can't believe how similiar this is to the same questions many years ago about witchcraft. People asking was there a main Coven running everything and where can I find a Coven and so forth. Guess nothing really changes.

I believe there is a leader somewhere but it is not always necessary.

I think theres a queen but she has a council of elders kinda like the england queen has paralment

I don't believe there is a "ruling" council or the "one" who controls things. But I do believe in the vampire community there are those who tend to affect change by their actions.

Simon...yes I'm lowering myself to bother speaking to you again. what is the point of entering a topic i'f your main point is to say I could tell you, but I won't because I have rules against talking about it.
oh wait, you cosmic entities don't have to function under normal rationality....never mind

These leaders must be very affective seeing that no one but a handful state there are leaders...

From what I understand, there is one who is above us all. Her name is Lilith; she is mother to all vampires. As far as a government, there are coven laws that apply to all of us. It is called the Black Veil. That is our form of government. Nobody is above the Black Veil. As far as other hierarchies, it is up to the individual.

The way I belive it is that there is a Queen and a king, But there is also there order that we are all under.

From my own perspective, I only recognize governmental laws and bodies as having any say over me.

I live in a city of Illinois in the United States of America. I answer only to these laws and regulations.

As a member of the Vampire Church, I can say honestly that we're not around to "govern" or "rule" anyone. We are a haven, both offline and on, for those in vampire community. We provide support and education.

My vampirism is a condition I have to live with. It doesn't make me seperate from those around me who don't have it. It doesn't give some grand poobah any say over my life.

It is a ridiculous concept that I react to with scorn. Why would anyone want MORE government? If you feel that you need rules or assistance, create them, make a friend, or form a support group.

It is akin to a vegetarian needing a queen to rule over his carrot selections. It's a damn good vampire analogy, too...check out Greenpeace if you don't believe me! ;)