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Is vampirism the next level of human evolution evolving?

It’s use of astral energy esoterically growing in numbers, witchcraft practiced more with out the restraints of three fold laws.
Tarot , blood magic you name it .. it’s excepted
Left hand path is excepted and part of the major vampire clans.this is the evolution i see in people and the magical community

What’s your thoughts on this evolution and growing mass?

I do not believe that to be so because then are planet would have to a wasteland where there is no sun so we could evolve into such creature.

Do you mean "accepted" rather than "excepted"? And no I don't think its going that way at all.

I would have to agree, i do not believe our world is going in that direction. Even though this is a growing thing i dont believe thats what our race is evolving into.

If anything humanity is closer to evolving into creatures with webbed feet and gils.

Hi Wolfkiller
No I don’t mean literally we will have no sun and become 30 nights of terror lol
I mean out of all the occult groups iv not seen those that totally except and work on multiple theories of occult beliefs and practices and progress as everyday acceptance.

This is evolutionary and as Im a firm believer in astral and witchcraft I find this refreshing and exciting movement in culture that is expanding and growing

I should also explain im not talking about mythical vampires but those who follow a life style linked to vampirism, born this way with a desire for the darkness

My opinion would be scientific Lav.

Not that we know the attributes to evolve into the species of the vampire, save for what we have seen in media ie. Movies, books, and or television. It would seem very complicated to receive an evolutionary standpoint as to evolving into any socially adjusted creature...This in words of lamens terms...A creature made by the words of the mundane to entertain the children of society.

Now, if this vampire were true, then evolution would be probable based on the fact that physical attributes demonstrating qualities of the vampire already apparent within certain genome structures would make this happen.

I disagree with the planet theory on one end, this is not to say that atmosphere has effects on the gene structure of living organisms, but this concept would appear alien. Unknown, as we have little knowledge partaining to other planets life base origins.

As for the energies of the ethereal, and how they relate to shall we say, the psi-vamp...This would be probable, but what is the basis for this idea? Are we refering to the chakra cells which surround our bodies? Or are we refering to how we use energy on a day to day basis?

Lol web feet n gills … I guess as much chance of some post being positive and less than a cheap shot

Thanks soulshroude…. Reading your post I guess my paradigm on vampirism is the real people that live this life and practice the arts as a norm and all types.

I find the vampire of the film/ book / invented genre hard to discus as there not real.

I guess then that an answer to the question would be as follows...

As some in society would see fit to live said lifestyle, than I see no evolutionary start point., as it is a lifestyle. Again, scientifically, evolution is based not on foreground of the social structure, but on the background of the physical being.

But, I guess I am getting ahead of myself.

The energies that are practiced on a daily basis, do consist of inter dimensional qualities, and we are getting closer to apparent events within our own superstructures to make this type of event occur.

Like that of the Shaman, Taoist, Hindu spirit walkers, and or Shaolin monks, practice on all levels leads to an evolutionary event in one form or another...I think this just depends on the level of evolution we are bringing to the table.

Short answer is no.

Those things that are becoming more accepted are the things that used to be common place, or at least, more common place. What we are doing as a society is moving back to a more accepting time. Vampirism has always been and most likely will always be a subculture. True, it is more open, but I do not believe that it is the future of human kind.

I highly doubt that we are evolving into vampires...in a way that wouldn't be evolving at all

Drakontion, that is a very good and thinking answer...Draw me back to an unestablished post of mine. I may have to re-iterate my posts dramatically for the benefit of your thoughts...Props to you.

So long as it doesn't involve mime, it's all good ;) Thank you =)

On a more psychological viewpoint, as the human mind works, some things forgotten by the past, once belonging to mainstream society need to be reintroduced to present day society as a way of interpretation per say.

By interpretation, words from one individual may make sense only to certain others, this goes along with social stereotypes as well. The "vampire" complex is a way to bring these past perspectives into the understandings of the youth of tomorrow.

For example, the word "quarrel" which means to argue, is used today as "b*tchy". This analogy is apparent with the term "vampire" as it denotes the will to feed off others "energies", it may not be an evolving...But more of an involving.

Energies not nessessarily from the spirit, but from the way one carries oneself. Evolution begins with microbes, as I stated from the background of the human.

Perhaps we just need to have subtle reminders of the past to lead the way to certain other future endeavors.

Plainly said, to get our "heads out of our arse's" so to speak.

Either way..Evolve or dissolve.

I guess it might be possible for a certain number of individuals wich are seriously dedicating them selves to such a goal with a certain practice, but for others, I guess they are going to evolve in their own way, it depends on the majority of their activities to wich they are conducting their mind or the body, or both.

I don't think that we are evolving in the way of physical appearances, but in the way of mental capacity and cognitive abilities. More and more people are adapting to the possibility that there is more out there then just plain ole humans. As understanding for these things grows as do the the ones who want to adapt it into their lifestyle.

Social tolerance or awareness has very little to do with a specie's evolution. As Vampires go, they are nothing but leeches in one way or another. They take. Is this what we really even want to be associated with? Much less become?

I would dissagree "Social tolerance or awareness" has a lot to do with evolution. Did the cavemen know what we know today?

we won't evolve persay, more or less become. in a way we're like a virus

Did they know more??
We have shut ourselfs down because we fear that others will think

Cave man unlike the Hollywood image today you wouldn’t know he was a cave man if you placed a suit on him… we haven’t changed, cave man built the pyramids and navigated the world gauged the cosmos and more…. Properly knows more than us 5 to 5 repetitive job a monkey could do… lol

They WHAT? O.o

Me thinks I smell a conspiracy theory coming.

no i dont think vampireism is the next step for human race. i think it will be something much bigger then that.

Good point. Cave men in a suit..reminds me of the geico commercials...lol...I guess we can just speculate what they were like. Most of us just take on the idea of them from what we have learned in history class.

No I do not feel vampirism is the next level of evolution.

Magic or witchcraft like practices have been around sense the earliest recorded human records so there is nothing new about them in regards to evolution. In this context there are no signs of humanity evolving.

LOL, as almost always, I am with AD....

Maybe it may grow to become its own accepted religion / life style but thats not evolution in any way.

If as I understand it the point of evolution is to benefit the species then I would say no, I can see no logic in that.

ps I would argue that cavemen bulit anything at all in Egypt lol

My props to you soulshroude that was a very speculative side of things.

Now I have a question for any willing but first I will say this.

Why may I ask does everybody interpret vampires to be dead they have existed since the dawn of time.
I am sure the caveman drank blood for when they could not get a kill so they would have energy.
Now of course I do not have proof yet if any exists but think about it if we do it today what makes us think they did not do it that long ago.

It is my personal belief that the reason we say they do not exist is for two reasons.
1. The analogy we have gotten from the media and books and whatever else for all intents and purposes.
Has automatically made us presume that they do not exist now I am not necessarily saying they have to be dead and not be able to withstand the sun.

But the main defintion for a vampire is a blood-drinker whether for the energy or for the euphoria.

2.We do not want to believe that there could be something more powerful then us.
It is a simple known fact that is why we do not believe aliens to exist maybe other life forms, but only organisms that can not defy us or kill us.

So I put the question out there Soulshroude and Lavisbre.
What are your opinions to what I have just said?

Soulshroude if I may can you explain your forth post in this subject about "us forgetting our past" that one.
I understood but still have a little misconception on it.
Thank you.


All so thank you Lavisbre for this excellent post.

Unequivocally NO. Come on. You are talking about a tiny tiny cross section of humanity. No no no.

i dont know the golden dawn made wicca... thats big.... i see vampirism forming a new path

"Is vampirism the next level of human evolution evolving?"

No I do not thing it is. I think that more and more people are just learning to accept what has already been out there.

So what do you say lavisbre to the post I made up above I want to know a opinion so therefore I will have a better understanding of what we are talking about.

While overall peoples perceptions of what was once branded as 'evil' has certainly been given a once-over. For the most part, people are more open minded about a number of things and I think it's more their thoughs and reasonings have evolved, not the people themselves.

Hi wolfkiller
Back to your post and hopefully answer some questions….

Your right the belief of vampirisms beings goes way the heck back in time.
Ones that match today’s media images do not as you so rightly understand. However deep down we have a primeval fear and understanding verging on the collective consciousness, carl jung talks of this dark archetype inside…….. we except the dark vampire being inside and identify with those images around us…. Before ann rice made the image more acceptable, we felt alienated more than we do now and unsure of what is fighting to live inside.
This evolution is about to happen as we adapt except explore ourselves in a more expectable environment… even with the heckling of those who seek to stop or alienate us in our own VR …. A new wave will follow our paths and then there’s and so forth.

As the golden dawn gave birth to wicca (Gardner passed away on the 12th feb, bless his cotton socks) so will this advancement of vampire evolution on common ground.

Part two I think is more why we get those on here or in life knocking or mocking us strangerling the desire to grow with fear of rejection, we do things to be excepted and second not be rejected in this world. We come on VR as a vampire community and we get the name Sayers stone throwers and segmentation then dividing what they don’t understand or worse for personal gain or victimization And the big Elitist monsters.
Fear of the unknown and fear of media hypes telling them were murderous sacrificing maniacs that to believe in a vampire life style means you have a screw loose is social conditioning there throwing at us, the fact we except our dark side as well as our daily side makes more whole and complete than most. We don’t live in denial we express and live what we feel we should…. What’s wrong with that?

The first question answered for you Wolfkiller, is based on the human psychology of the "Super Hero Effect" thought process...Better and or holy-er than thou if you will.

My wife explained it in better terms than I so I will try to repeat what she had said to me about media and the human thought process.

She calls it the "super hero effect", this is the idea of what the media contributes as a way to how shall we say...To deal with things such as death, war, all the bad that happens in the world. Thus is created in movies, the telly, books and other informational systems. Super heros and super villians, creatures from other planets, vampires from the depths of the imagination. To help cope with wars around us, to make us feel more comfortable with the outside world in a way we see fit without creating a sort of post tramatic stress disorder per say. I hope you understand what I am getting at...She explained it a bloody hell of a lot better than I.

The second question is as thus...

I would call this one the "high and mighty syndrome" or "holier than thou attitude", of course we do not wish to believe in things more powerful than we are, hell in our eyes we are the top of the food chain...But as only human goes, like the locust, going from place to place, destroying everything to create in our image...This would make us both pompous and spoilt in a matter of opinion.

The audacity of the almighty vampire existing in "your" world? This would be an outrage. Such is the way of human kind, which is why in speculation, rednecks brought it upon themselves to coin the phrase "It's high time we had a hangin' " for the things they did not understand. If it were differant than you, you had a close mind toward it...Which still happens present day.

Acceptance is a hard issue to deal with, mostly since the word "stereotype" was invented and put into a dictionary with a definition for the "mainstream" to choose for themselves.

Too much rambling...Hope you understand where I am coming from.

On a side note, to the forgetting our past question...Re-iterated, this simply means something that is long forgotten in the past, which turns into a nursery rhyme, or softly spoken lulluby, the boogeyman or whathaveyou, sometimes needs to be reaquanted with the world, so as not to forget where we as a civilization comes from.

I do not believe that vampyrism is the next step in the evolutionary process. Evolution is small changes over a long time. In order for humanity to actually become vampyres there would have to be several humans that could survive solely on blood and they would have to reproduce to pass the trait onto their children. Since there are not many (or possibly any) humans like that then it rules this idea out completely. Also, if there was only a small number of people who had the trait then eventually inbreeding would occur which would pose a big problem. It may be possible to get the human body to adapt to consuming only blood but it would probably take a lot longer than the amount of time given a human to live. But I do not know much of biology so I have no idea if it would even be possible to get the human body adapted to drinking only blood. But if it were possible it would lead back to the problem I stated previously. So I have to say, no it isnt possible for vampyrism to become the next step in the evolutionary process.

I don't think we are going in that direction either. The sun would be a huge obstacle to get over just for starters.

lol .... i should expolaine a little more what i ment .... this is killing me lol

I'd have to say no.

i personally think vampirism isnt the next stage of evolution, rather a previous stage, meaning, when there was more then one type of hominid on the planet theres a good chance there was inter species almost canibalism.....

As I said before I dont see it happening but,

TegoSanguisitim, Christians were once a very very small sect of people too Now its one of the largest religions on the planet

there is no physical evidence of anything evolving.it contradicts the second law of thermodynamics.

Personally from what I have seen in this post I believe we are fighting a losing battle in this post.

I stat this fact because no matter how much we discuss it whether this be a vampire commuity or not we still have close-minded people.

I mean look at some of the posts they simply put this is not possible"what kind of bs is that" they don't even put why they don't think it could happen.

It is a simple fact as I,lavisbre,soulshroude have stated people even on this site are close-minded towards it.

They do not want to believe something more powerful then us as you so well put it lavisbre.

And then you have the media or super hero effect as told by tego because the media we have come to believe certain things.

That no matter how hard we try we wil not convince even others on this sight of something like this happening.

I hope this all makes since and understand lavisbre it is the truth you can see it from the posts made.

Now I want lavisbre and if anybody else would like to try to tell me different?

It may be. If you think about it, True Vampires are more sensitive, and have certain abilities that humans cant fathom because we dont use those parts of our minds. I think, personally, that it is a form of evolution, although it is not going to be too wide spread. Most humans ont be able to except it even if it DOES happen to be a widespread evolution. Scientists would make up some kind of disease or epidemic.

the evolution was based on vampire lifestyles multiples magical paths with no walls as seen with most controlling factors like the need to performer white/ good magic.



i see this as an evolution in vampire lifestyles and a new breed progressing evolving a new mind set as body's cant change much... my post was taken out of control due to my inability to explain ....

as for close minded ... it is life, all our life's we have been caste off, tormented feared blamed.... i don't blame human nature i just don't subscribed to it.

i would expect a little more understanding on a site known as a vampire total guide and do fear those who seek unity and people like ourself here do not read a post screaming were mad mental people... just coz we have a desire for vampire things.......



as for fear of the unknown and reaction .... im not surprised

It seems that society is no longer the closed minded mass that it was when we were children.. its no longer our parents society.. thank the gods for this.

The new age of open mindedness, and willingness to explore new spiritual beliefs and ways of life is upon us, and finally most of us, no longer feel obtuse.

I'm thrilled the world is evolving.

Honestly, I could not look at this as evolution.

If you think about it we are going back to the old ways. We are accepting things that were largely accepted long ago until they were condemned as evil or wrong.

I think the only way I would see this as evolution is if there was a scientific study showing that because of paranormal abilities we are accessing and using more of our brains then previously.

One of the primary laws of evolution and nature is the survival of the fittest. Living vampires are not the fittest as they are flawed by not being able to maintain pranic energy. If the human race as a whole were to evolve into living vampires it is likely that the majority of the human race if not all would eventually die as a result as each generation would get weaker. That would be a dead end evolution and thus would be terminated. The living vampire is more likely a mutation or sub-species. As for the acceptance of the practice of magics and such that is more of a social evolution rather than a biological one. Some however would argue that it is a social de-evolution a throw back to the dark ages.

I think these types of movements are swings of a pendulum. Society moving back and forth over time. In the 1920's cocaine was legal and alcohol was illegal. Now it is the reverse.

The spiritual revival you are refering to has it's negative side. Spiritual extremism is growing all over the world, and not just in the vampire or magic realms.

I think the world in evolving into lot of different possibleitys and it is going to be nature that desides who survives.

nature is always the uper level god

hmmm... while anything is possible, I seriously doubt that we are evolving into vampires, in any sense of the word... while it would be interesting to see this theory looked into... i doubt people would give it more than just a cursory glance.... sadly enough.

very true lady.

thank you wolf! ^.^

i to would have to agree, with salemsxangel i do not believe our world is going in that direction. Even though this is a growing thing i dont believe thats what our race is evolving into.

I would definitely say no. If anything, it would be evolving to handle the gradual warming of the earth, perhaps appendices and gall bladders will finally disappear altogether; fingers, toes, things like that changing.

I think society should base evolution on something a bit less scrutanized. Fantasy has a way into societies mind, giving those a sense of being or acceptance. When in fact it is all in their heads.

I say to evolve into a vampire type humanoid is quite pompous and arrogant. Hell, mainstream society does not even know the true nature of what "vampire" actually stands for other than from books and movies. Give me a break already.

At least we have wondered away from the path of the evolutionized monkey. Friggin primates.

Very good soulshroude and I agree the main society and that of the rave except a few is very narrow-minded.

I dont think that evolution is going the way of vampires. I do think tho that the practice of things such as Witchcraft, Satanism, Vamprism and a host of other things is becoming more accepted in mainstream society.

I have to disagree with you Celestial - witchcraft is definately accepted more in today's world. When I was a teenager it was almost impossible to find books on it - now they are everywhere. I used to be careful that nobody knew I was Wiccan - now I own it proudly. People ask me questions all the time - our Coven teaches classes on it at Dalton's bookstore once a week. I would consider that to mean it is accepted better.

everything evolves, its the way the world has come to be and it WILL change. wheather vampires and werewolves evolved from humans no one knows for sure but matbe its true

we are constantly evolving to adapt to our environment that is the way things always have been and always will so this also includes vamps

i think it's on it's way ..... and there will be more and more ppl out there who will come out

I dont belive that is the case. It make not sence to me. But who know.

I'm not so sure the vampires are an evolution of the human race bacause vampires have been around since the dawn of time. I think more that vampires are evolving faster than humans, also that practices are becoming more accepted in our culture and the mortal culture.

no, because...ok...this amy eb long


vampires drink blood. they are diabetics. they need the insulin in blood to live. so, why would humans go from that, to vampires? i mean, were like more or less de-evolving but evolving at the same time. but, at the same time, gaining power, speed, agility, but we lost the key to making our own insulin. and ever every1 was a vampire, we'd all die.

well, this challenges the very existence of vampires. why would the body go backward and take blood as its perfect food then? it just doesn't make sense.

Is that really true, vampires are diabetic?

lavisbre - I think you are caught up in VR

What ever do you mean lol

Not sure about vampires and the evolutionary ladder... sure something like larger frontal lobes and finally getting rid of appendices (your appendix) would probably come first.

What I do hope evolves more is our psychic abilities.

Well evolution spiritually for we except and develop our dark side thus making us holistically whole… that’s evolution

Yes

Creatures were not meant to survive without souls and have the ability to live forever

Vampires did more that evolve they went passed god's plan for life

hum....interesting.

Understanding and accepting of things such as witchcraft, vampires, etc is evolving of the times with tolerance and of naivety - NOT evolution as a whole of humans and the world. Evolution takes a millennium.

do you really think we can see evolution of our own time? typicly the rate of evolution is up to ten thousand years. thats hundreds of generations.

if there is a rapid change in this lifetime how do we know that they have evolved? after we are gone that generation might prove to be weaker for their new trait and die off leaving the previous version behind.

I hope during the next millenium Lumina, that the human race does not transgress into a nation of blood drinkers. I mean, that sounds a bit savage and degenerative.

" Evolution takes a millennium"

???

ok so when did the clock start and are we not the evolution?

we are proof of evolution, like a smell is proof of a turd. we werent there to see the steamer laid but alas it has been laid. doesnt matter if the turd is hot or cold it smells.

wow hottubmolly ... way with words flower lol

I don't know but if man can become pure energy or god like one of these 2 is supposedly the final form of man that I can think of.

Lmao that was a good one.

Hmm, maybe. It's an interesting thought. Maybe we're in the beginning stages of evolving, the very beginning stages.
It's incredibly bigheaded and typical of us to think that we are the permanent superior species..

Were a little like sesame street, one of the animals is doing it’s own thing …. We are so alien to our world it’s past a joke.
We are the advanced being and out class everything, we are the superior species…look

I wouldnt say we are evolving as much as comming full circle. Even though it is more accepted now we are just going back to way it all used to be.

Hey lavisbre I have to say one thing to us being superior it is not the right answer when we say yes because if we did not have weapons we would fall to tigers and others.

as for vampirism being the next stage of human evolution it very well may be. you should look into the indigo children i dont know if its stll being talked about on here but you should deff look into it

guffy8y

I believe mutation is a next step somewhere along the way, some very well may turn into vampires though this mutation. But I do not believe it is a path for everyone to take.

but can mutation truly be called evolution?

If it helps us survive it is.
Odd fact in England men who can trace back a couple of generations have a visibly stronger right arm, this is from the ability to shoot the long bow and thus survive the bloody battles, the French if they won would cut of the two fingers used to pull the bow as a warning for others not to… that’s why English give you the V it means were going to kick your ass.
The sign given to the French in battle… used to make them run they would never make it past the first front line before our arrows rained down from such a distance even Calvary charges were slaughtered… ah the good old days

So that evolution happened faster than millions of years… evolution happens every day…. some one is born with a special ability, im not talking about flying for you drive by one line posters.

that makes sence humans as anyother animal evolves faster when survival is on the line. its adaptation

Yes it is ….. we are the only creature working outside of nature…. This wolfkiller is why even with no weapons we will trap and kill the tiger every time… I often wonder why from nebular to ants everything is in unison with nature, good old mother earth…. Why the heck are we out of bounds even our science is above or spiritual and knowledge… are we really dimensional stuck in this reality … are we gods dreaming an human experience…? Are we really pulling the strings…. We destroying nature around us like there is no tomorrow or we don’t care, why don’t we care…?

there are some that care just the fact that this thread is here means something

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