Im very knew to all this but I had a question on OBE. Is OBE the same as astral projection? If so can you tap into someone elses mind and communicate with them in that manner? If so how does one go about in doing it? I dont know if the questions make sense but figured Id like to get some information from everyone since everyone here is very knowledgeable in many topics.
Out of Body Experience.
Or Order of the British Empire???
I am guessing the first :P
OBE could mean that you are in someone else's.....
well..... body
not just out of your own
In my opinion they are different and the difference is that you can't control wether or not you have an OBE or what you do during one but AP you can control.
I've always thought that Astral Projection is a gift, like clairvoyance or telepathy, and something you can learn to control while an out of body experience is something that you didn't intentionally want to happen.
wait...astral projection? like on Charmed the power that Prue had to where she could double herself for a short period of time? I want to do that so I can always keep a eye on my daughter when she's not where I can see her lol
Not sure but my guess is it is another term for astral projection.
The term "out-of-body experience" is usually used for those who nearly died, but their spirit came back into their body before the connection to their physical form was completely severed, as is what happens supposedly when we die. Astral projection is a skill people can learn where we separate from our body and are able to travel where ever we wish in spirit form. They are very similar, we just have a bit more control over what happens during astral projection then the other.
well, i'm thinking out of body experience, because that's the general idea and purpose of doing astral projection.
btw, atral projection is a good band :)
I agree with RavenEyes. I have heard of people having out of body experiences who have come close to death. But as far as astral projection NOT A CLUE! :P
it is anOut of Body Experience where you mind go to a different place other then where you body is.
Thank you thank you and thanks a bunch for the explanation. :) :) So if Astral Projection is something that can be controlled how does one learn to travel to other places. Oh yeah another question, is it possible to communicate with someone in this manner and if so how?
Yes,it is possible.Relax,empty your mind and picture who you want to go to.When you are ready,think ..only once tho..one thought.and make that one thought count..
Sometimes with possession, it may be caused by the OBE of others trespassing into differant bodies. OBE does lead to astral travel, you just need to hone the technique.
2 different things...OBE is a random happening, like a near death experience or to much LSD. And you have no control over it. A A.P. is a manual OBE that takes you further into the astral realm. This is done by someone who knows what they are doing like a Buddhist monk. And they have the ability to interact with each other in the astral realm.
OBE happens when you have a near death experience but astral projection happens because you're focused and are controlling it.
okok the question still isnt answered what is the O B E stand for? this must be like a cell phome using text here..
OBE - Out of Body Experience - it was answered further up :-)
I would describe an OBE as an umbrella term which can cover many things.
Astral projection is a type of OBE which can be controlled by the practicioner, and yes, it is possible to communicate during an AP, with practice.
An NDE, or Near Death Experience, is another type of OBE mentioned here, in which a patient close to death is brought back, and yet can remember seeing their body from above and usually report a white light, lovely voices and possibly loved ones who have passed on.
That's just my take on it anyway :-)
i was looking up a good band called astral projection and i came across this man recording about how to astral project. if you want to learn how, go to projectplaylist.com and type in astral projection, you'll come across it.
yes i had the NDE as well when i was hospitalzed .. i did hover over my body and saw myself and my mom from a birds eye view... it was soo wierd... it felt like some sort of dream but i did happen to flatline for less than two mins.. till this day i can clearly remember it all...it was sooooooooooo wierd
RavenEyes stated the differences between astral projection and out of body experience quite well.
One you can control and travel - AP and the other OBE is when you have literally died or in a deep coma and your spirit/soul rises out of the body.
I've experienced what I thought was OBE...... apparently it was astral projection? I will have to read up more on that. Seems they would be about they same thing because alot of these things you can't control any way.
My understanding is that with practice, one can control the astral projection. Experience tells me anytime I have had out of body experiences that I have no control of removing myself from the experience.
My point exactly Meeper. I can't control it. Sometimes I "wake" up with a very strange detached feeling and then upon remembering my experience I realize that I was some place else with no control.
I believe astral projection is a dream like state where you visit other places and people. An OBE is an experience of feeling like your physically there, such as floating above yourself and watching yourself sleeping.
OBE is usually not under your control.
Astral projection is similar but you have control.
In some cases, some people believe astral projection and out of body experiences to be the same thing. But for me they do not hold the same company.
With out of body experience you simply just do not feel you are yourself. With astral projection you are pushing your spirit outside of your physical confines.
Actually an OBE and Astral Projection are not the same thing.
When they originally began to talk about this was because of a book that came out in the 1970s by Robert Monroe and he coined it OOBE and it has since been shortened to OBE. This merely is leaving the body. In otherwords the etheric body leaves the physical body but it doesn't have to go into the astral to do that. Astral projection means you go to the astral plane and that can be done purposefully so some say or in a dream state. Many have said over time if you feel yourself or see yourself flying in your dreams you are are out of your body. Its all anecdotal so I couldn't say.
Some of this was prior to Monroe because the Theosophists were into many things and some of their names for things were slightly different but basically the same thing and had a lot to do with popularizing some of these ideas which later got tagged as "New Age".
There have been supposedly many ways to access someone's mind but again we get into the area of belief. One way is via dreamwalking.
The term OBE is out of body experience - although one is considered to not be attached to your body it does not mean you can enter another's mind at this point. OBE is usually a phrase used for a near death experience.
Astral projection is something that most of us do whether we realize it or not is another story...However, some of us strive to gain control over this. As one gains control you could slip into another person's dreams or even bedroom (sorry Dawn, didn't try to scare ya) however, I am not sure about entering one's mind. To me that sounds more like a possession.
Perhaps OBEs happen when the Conciousness steps out of the body the spirit still "mantains the body"when the spirit leaves we die but some people may harness this to include the soul as well perhaps when the body is stablized the conciousness can return to the body
I got to thinking this after I relized I slipped out before My body crashed and got back in when it was stablelized .
Thanks everyone you guys are awesome! I was just wondering if there were ways to go and visit someone close to me in their dreams since physically it would be impossible at this moment ...but thru dreams i wouldnt mind having a "cup of coffee"
Hmmm that would have to be syced out and well planned to be first on the same frequency and the levels of displine required would require you to start when you where at least 12 years old if you "dreamed concsiously before"you have a chance but only with a few skills.
Robert Monroe, founder of the Monroe Mind Research Institute in Virginia, began studying altered states of consciousness in 1958. At that time, Monroe was a succesful businessman, having graduated from Ohio State University with a degree in engineering, and a second one in journalism. As an executive of a radio station, Monroe led a busy and normal life. That same year Monroe began studying what happens to consciousness while the body is asleep. His first experiments consisted of listening to tapes that contained various types and combinations of sounds. He researched out of body experiences (oobe's) until his own death. In his 3 books (Journey Out of Body, Journeys Beyond the Universe, and The Ultimate Journey), Monroe shares what he has found after years of researching, studying, and experimenting using most often his own experiences as reference and/or basis for his observations. His notes are very sober and clear, and he manages to transmitt clear, impartial, 'reporter' type descriptions. His narrations are consistent and well organized, and his writings slowly go into details about life, death, and much, much more.
This man is considered the foremost authority on this subject of his time and when he first published they called it OOBE and it is the same as OBE. They later dropped the extra O. That is all it is. I am more familiar with the first one because I was alive when he did his research and released the books and heavily involved in the occult and metaphysical community as well as spiritualism. I was even a member of IANDS in the mid 90s so yeah they use the terms and both are viable but it appears the OBE one is used more frequently now. I moved on past that topic a long time ago so I wasn't aware people dropped the extra O that was used at that time.
Out of body experiences (OBEs) are those curious, and usually brief experiences in which a person's consciousness seems to depart from his or her body. Yes they associate them at times with NDEs but its not the only thing they are assoicated with. Many more people are fascinated by this topic now than back then. It was sort of fringe at that time.
ok so now I picked up a book on Astral Projection where there is some sort of control over the out of body experiences. This book provides a 90 day program that will help guide you.
Since I can only do one day at a time without going to far ahead ....im still very anxous. Does anyone know if I can travel and visit someone that is still alive like visiting through drea,s? Or is that purely fiction.
m just curiios Im quite excited about it :)
My husband was in a car accident and thrown through the windshield. He seen his body laying on the roadway.
He states he heard a voice say we are not ready for him yet and he emerged back into his body.
A example of obe
here is a good site on this matter
http://www.astralvoyage.com/
obe is pretty much the same as astral
but astral goes farther um out there if ya get my drift.
Well they are very different they are not the same. My best friend I some how can go to her body and I don't try to do it, it just happens. Now astro projection you are thinking about projecting yourself to a place and I do not do that.
out of body experience is an involuntary event, often (but not always) caused by shock or trauma, whereas Astral projection is a deliberate and controlled event, usually acheived through a form of meditation.
Out of body experances don't have to be uncontroled they can be controled just not by your waking self.
OBE wether voluntary or involuntary has anyone actually experienced an OBE. Me myself am curious and always thought it had something to do with dreams. But I could be wrong.
O.B.E. is usually not done with controll but thru sudden death/accident. Soul leaves the body(you dead). Astral is the mind leaving for a "break" in time. Your soul is still in your body. Astral takes time & much practice but can be done.
I would agree with Raven Eyes. An OBE is that. Where someone has passed or close to passing and their soul leaves their body. I did have this experience during child birth as I had pulled the IV out of my arm and lost large amounts of blood. The Astral Projection though, I have never experience but would love to learn the method of doing so.
I'd say the mian difference is control. Atra project tends to be controlled, where as OBE is spontaneous.
Also distance. OBE tends to be the imediate viscinity of the body, or an entirely different realm (ie the gates of heaven, etc) where as Astral Project is into the astral plane, or while linked to the body around the world!
I'd say they are similar but sufficiently different phenomina to be considered in isolation of each other.
it all depends on the person and how to deal with it deturms how well you can control it.
the two are not the same but have the same kind of thinking when it is need to be done right.
It's another form of astral projections. Actually. I think it is a synonym for astral projection. I really don't think it's anything different.
I agree with Katsuna.
"out-of-body experience" and astral projection are basically the same.
OBE is used when it is involuntary
AP is used when it is done on purpose.
I agree with RavynSteel OBE is an umbrella term used to describe NDE and other forms of Astral Travel.
Now I'm about to lay on you more information that you care to know on the subject.
Thank you robotech on that, well done.
There are all those people that have died and have floated above their body, only to find themselves sucked back in when they are revived. Some can remember what they experienced during that time and others just know they were looking down at themselves and not much else.
ravensteel summed it up succinctly.. I have astral travelled.. but as to OBE.. well, that's something I have no knowledge of doing.. concsiously.
..so I take it that one is, or can be a concsious action: the other is not.
Whether or not it's a conscious action, medically induced or some thing else the mechanisms and structure are the same. I would not argue that they are known by different names and should be but in the end we are talking about an individual's spiritual body or at least a component of one's spirit detaching from the physical world and experiencing parts of lower spiritual worlds. In aspects this also happens everytime one dreams.
Exactly what Angelus and Robotech said... one is a conscious effort to detach and travel while the other is accomplished with no conscious thought to do so.
I thought OBE and astral projection were the same thing. How can u control it if its not?
OBE's i believe are not usually wanted, and im sure its possible for someone to tap into your body mind and soul spiritually, to temporaryly control somone, but not for very long periods of time.
OBE's can also be linked with what is called Lucid Dreaming and is the same thing except you have control and remember your journey.....
no, they're completely different. in astral projection, you usually have some sort of control over what you do. however in an obe you usually are looking down upon something
Diffrent things you could go on line and i'm sure they will show you a list of things for OBE but as the paranormal way i believe it's like an out of the body experiment or something like that.
obe are out of body astral projection is done at will. there are scientists it germany doing comparitive research on what goes on in the brain while a person has. NDE OEBS astral projections and the shamatic death trances. Apparentlly the brain activity (what synapsis are fireing which ones are not ect) is nearly identical in each state. The only major difference seems to be how the states are attained. Holger kalweit has published info on it if interested there are others that have published info too but dont have the names handy
Much to the agreement of many, I don't beleive you can control an OBE... All though Astral Projection may technicly de defined similiar to an OBE and under technicality is itself an OBE it is just more taught/learned/inheritted than other OBE's and the ability to control and manipulate is much easier... Like wise readily available. I myself have had intentional Astral Projection and also had unintentional and also unwanted OBE's. They can also bring about physical manifetation to an extent in some individuals.
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Took from Wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection
Astral projection (or astral travel) is a paranormal interpretation of an out-of-body experience achieved either awake or via lucid dreaming or deep meditation. The concept of astral projection assumes the existence of another body, separate from the physical body and capable of traveling to non-physical planes of existence. Commonly such planes are called astral, etheric, or spiritual. Astral projection is often experienced as the spirit or astral body leaving the physical body to travel in the spirit world or astral plane.[1] Astral projection is controversial. Skeptics say that there is only anecdotal evidence that anything actually leaves the body.[2]
I also believe there is that difference...
we should remember that OBE can be of any nature but not controlled...where as AP is one willing and meditating on leave the body...