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A utopia is defined as, 'An ideally perfect place, especially in its social, political, and moral aspects'.

A dystopia is defined as being, 'A dystopian society is a state in which the conditions of life are extremely bad, characterized by human misery, poverty, oppression, violence, disease, and/or pollution'
, or in other words, the exact opposite of Utopia.


Everyone as well as every society and group of people has their own ideas of Utopia and Dystopia.

Some people believe that Atlantis was a utopia that had it's moments of glory before disappearing while others believe Utopia is the Heaven that awaits after we die.

Some believe that Dystopia is what we're living in now -- ages filled with war, crime, pollution, and the like.

I've got to wonder what your opinions on these subjects are.

Do you feel we'll ever find Utopia? or have we already had it but it's been lost? Do you believe Utopia is what awaits us after we die and move to the afterlife?

As for Dystopia, do you think we're living in it now? Or do you think it's something that we'll eventually find in the future?

Share your opinions.

For me my utopia lasts in the moment Dystopia exists after the moment for knowing the moment has passed, and in the moment to come because it will mean that something will occur...that occurrence is where my utopia exists.

California, the name comes from a book (some call Sci-Fi, others call fantasy) though on the surface utopias seem to work, there is always the underlying dystopia. I Will watch this thread develop.

Utopia I think is something of the past. Some may believe otherwise. Dystopia I believe we are living in now. Poverty and war is going on now. The world as I see it is in a state of distress.

I do not believe a true utopia will ever be achieved in our mortal world. Only after death can the totality of a blissful and harmoneous state exist.

A well summarized post Nocturnal , if more people set their sites on a utopia after here.. and had assurance.. and accepted that others had differing views of what to expect after here, we could have avoided many conflicts in this world. A true dystopia I would add is a sign of Over burdened society, some in that situation, the "Fat Cats" would be near correct when they declare it utopia.

Utopia can only be found in yourself. You control your comfort zone and practically everything else. Sure, your surroundings have a contribution in it, but ultimately only you create your own reality.

As for the world after this one, that's for the world after this one. People should have a Utopia within themselves every day of their lives.

I don't think we'll ever find utopia or live in a utopia. There will always be disagreements and sometimes those disagreements will grow into larger confrontations and soon lead to war. I don't really think we will ever be able to leave in perfect harmony. Besides even if we could live without war and the violence, how would we stop the polution...I am sure that would take alot of time. As far as being a morally perfect society...again I don't believe it would be possible to achieve this, people are going to steal, and murder. I am not sure about my beliefs when it comes to life after to death, I would like to think that there is a utopia wating for us on the other side, but then again sometimes it's a little hard to believe in that.

When it comes to a dystopian community/civilization, yes I do believe that's what we're living in right now. There is so much hate, war, and pollution in this world, I think it will only get worse as time goes on unless we can come together and put forth some effort into trying to fix some of these problems...who knows, maybe I am wrong, maybe one day we will be living in a utopian society.

I think we do make our earthly utopia or dystopias for ourselves. I also think that we have moments of utopia that are in the community - when shared with others. These are the moments we strive to replicate, to escape the dystopia of our day to day life.

As for the afterlife - I believe what we create here will follow up there---and we make that choice here on where we end up.

I believe that we've seen the passing of many Utopia through out the ages. Atlantis probably being the most known. Whether or not there will be a new one is not for me to decide.


As for dystopia .. Pitsburg.

I don't believe in a pure Utopia, where every single disatisfactory aspect of the human condition is addressed.

That said, I can believe that it --- Utopia --- is achieved for certain segments of the population for brief periods of time in history: science and art in the Renaissance, the internet now for a broad swath of humanity.

For Utopia to exist with a broad reach would require a benovolent dictator and a consortium of like-minded policy makers, who decided certain individual freedoms must be sacrificed for the greater good.

Risky business!

Distopia exists in Zimbabwe.

Marilyn Manson once did the skit for that drug song once what was it


sea of liquor
beach of cocaine
trees of marijuana
sky of lsd


or something like that

he never did add women... that would have made it perfect

Hellhathwings -

are you saying that's your perfect idea for a utopia?

5 minutes into utopia.. how much you want to bet someone would complain that some one else is having more bliss then they are.. hence the problem of utopia.. people want to do it together. they are not happy if your bliss looks more like being content, or they insist that you be blissful instead of content.. look right into the perfect world and tell me what you see.. as long as it is like I see it then this is a utopia.. I'll go there by myself.If anyone wants to join me.. they are welcome as well.. find a reasonable path that suits you.. and avoid long excursions off that path for signs that promise wonder. Watch for helpful road signs though. those that have gone before you. They leave those over time. The path will I imagine end in utopia, but what about those that take blind abrupt detours to socialize with other travelers a moments utopia?

Utopia is not about bliss, that's nirvana.

"A utopia is defined as, 'An ideally perfect place, especially in its social, political, and moral aspects'.

Perfect is a matter of opinion, in that sense utopia is defined by each individual perception of what "perfect" is. My uptopia no longer, and possibly never did, exist and, more than likely, never again will.

As for dystopia, well, asi es la vida.

"One mans fun is anothers hell." quote on words to surmise this thread.

I believe that utopia and dystopia are built by thought. word and deeds, in this life and the next.

I think the closest we've ever come to a utopia is Atlantis but I don't think it was perfect. It was probably far from it but in the times it existed, it would have seemed perfect for them.

I don't think a utopia will ever exist. Humans are always competing with each other. We have to be better then someone else to have amounted to anything.

As for a dystopia, I don't think we live in one. I think that we're somewhere in between. Yes, we could be better off, but we could be a lot worse off too!

Have you ever read the book or seen the movie called Brave New World. It's one of my favorites. Even though their society was considered perfect, they kept on trying to improve it. I liked how the movie portrayed the book since you have a really hard time picturing it all in your head. I think that would be the closest to utopia as any society could ever get. But they had their opposite too and that was the Savage Reservation.

i actually don't have a perfect utopia, if i did i couldn't post it here as it would offend a lot of people... that is why i chose to post something different... thank you for asking

thedarkx -


Would you mind explaining why you think so?

HoodedDemon -


No, it's not. Heaven and Hell are either existant or non-existant depending on the beliefs of people.


What's being asked is what are your beliefs on the Utopia and Dystopia.

okay... my utopia starts off with getting rid of a lot of people.. ... categories and stereotypes not mentioned for reasons


all else can not be explained with out going into details


it doesn't mean the Heaven and Hell, End Times or any of that stuff



i will never get my Utopia.. so i have gone to a better thinking .... wipe out all of mankind and get it over with (not that i am going to try, just my resolution to things)

hisdarkestdreams -


One of the worst places?

I believe everyones idea of perfection differs in some way thus your idea of Utopia will be different from another persons Utopia. I believe Utopia can be achieved not in this life, but after..... I believe the after life is what you make of it. I believe everyone has a different out look on paradise no matter how similiar your idea is to another persons of Utopia it isnt the same.

No we'll never have any Utopia.

People are too egoistical and greedy.

Dystopia now?

Could be. While positive changes happen, negative changes happen too. It also depends where one is living.

For one who's living in a rich background is an Utopia one who is poor is Dysopia, even though materialistic stuff aren't the top things to make a person fully happy.

i believe utopia is a dream, a dream that will never come to pass, Dystopia.. no idea

I belive Utopia is an ideal place that people dream of reaching. And Dystopia is the place we want to avoid. Its a bit like cristianity's aspect of heaven and hell. Though im not religious, i belive we are caught in the balance of both.

In Africa, the Middle East, or somewhere around there there was once said to have been a utopian society. I can't remember where or what it was called, hopefully MBK knows something about it. In the mean time I'm going to try to dig up some information, I can only remember that there was something about it in my older brother's social studies book when I was a kid.

I think alot of people would like to believe that utopia awaits us after death, or that we will someday find it here on earth (as some jehovas witnesses who came knocking at my door told me). We no not live in either. The world is both a beautiful fresh perfect paradise aswell as a squalid filthy diseased shit hole. You can see both utopia and dystopia in this world, but as someone pointed out, perfection is a matter of opinion. Our world is a truely amazing place, but at the same time, 'life's tough'.

i do not believe that we are in any way living in a Utopian society. Because the world as it is is in no way perfect. But I don't think we live in a Dystopian society either, because as bad as things are now, the can and will become a lot worse.

i don't think that we are living in a dystopia now
although with our government dropping like a bomb...
we could be entering a dystopia

Slip where you from? I'm in the great lakes region and from our industry and ship building were taking a hit here.

l'enfer, c'est les autres.

Having to live around people we dislike will render any utopia a dystopia.
For a utopia to work we would have to like everyone we meet.
We just have to make the most of our lot in life

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs)

To me that is as close as we can get to a utopia

"No government fights fascism to destroy it. When the bourgeoisie sees that power is slipping out of its hands, it brings up fascism to hold onto their privileges."

It's all about control people whatever you have!

Utopia as the state of society and human mind is possible at that point when the heart and minds of the people are in a purified elevated state of perception when it comes to their world, then, when they are capable with out hesitation to care for their fellow man, animals, and other things around them in the most highest of sense, instinctualy.

Yes we are living in dystopia trough this cycle of human existence on the planet Earth. After all it is exclusively financially motivated process, our society of today, driven by materialistic desire of possessing things. Process as such is not capable of elementary understanding of one self, and the surroundings, being centered only around self, with that, not being capable of elementary understanding, and conduct toward the other people, and surroundings, in proper spirit.


Utopia is formed at some point of evolution in trough human history, but it is easily lost as well, to sudden corruption of the society, by some unexplainable source.

I personally believe utopia can not be a place. But moments of time where you might feel utopia. I just don't buy into the Idea of a perfect place. If you believe in God. It will be in heaven, as it is on earth. We all know earth is not perfect. As far as dystopia, yes we are now living in war , poverty, famine, tsunamis,fires, etc... These can be, if you believe in the bible predictors of Armageddon. However I think these times are not much worse than the earth history has shown us. Holy wars have been waged for centuries. Slave trading, sacrifices to the gods, Man having the majority of control over the female species. Just look at the third world countries even today with Vales and etc. In some countries, rebels kidnap children, addict them to cocaine and make child soldiers. The planet has been in a state of dystopia for centuries depending on what country or province you review. The world has been a dystopia for ever, even in the garden of eden, there was distention. Excellent and thought provoking ?

I believe Utopia is exactly a place, which people made, thanks to cultivation of their inner most highest of qualities, a place which reflects the most highest evolution of the human personal conduct and will.

Heaven is a place too, is it not.

Everyone knows there is nothing perfect but if it is a dystopia world we live in then it is up to our self to make it a utopia world around ourselves. Each one of us are different in many ways and we need to realize we have more control of our surroundings than we do.

I think Utopia is a figment of the imagination. As in all things, there has to be a balance, meaning that there has to be a balance of the good and the bad or the world would crumble. In other words, for this balance to work, there can't be a complete Utopia. However, when it comes to Dystopia, that too is the same. Nothing can be solely bad either. While this is an age of war, crime, and disease, isn't it safe to say that it's always been like that? No matter what time period you look at, or what region you look at, there has always been war, there has always been crime, and there has and will always be disease. It's a fact of life, and I think that the Utopia is when people get a relief, however small, from that. Be it a moment, or a day, or longer...it doesn't matter. But in the end, something bad is bound to happen that will or possibly will not lead to something good. Hence them both being figments.

the only Utopia I know is the book serie I am reading on it, it talks about a world whre the sleepers end up, where nothing is logic, no laws are valide all is like a big bunch of square the gods have put together and it makes it like a " courte-pointe" and this is the world of Utopia where nothing makes sens.

CryingMist: I read a book like that...Kinda confused me...but yeah. It was a pretty good book.

I don't think we as a society will ever see a real utopia. I think we do all experience our own utopias though in our dreams and moments of pure pleasure. As far as dystopia goes yes I think we are totally living that nightmare right now.

I do think this time, this plane of existance is Dystopia.
The pestilence, disease, war, famine and hatred are all here and now, we are all fighting it each and every day.

But while we are fighting it we are learning from it, learning to accept and be grateful for the good that still exists. Like the hope from Pandora's box.

Utopia isn't a dream and I agree with Nocturnal Goddess, it is the place we go when our souls leave our bodies and return to the universal conscious it came from.

i don't think that we'll ever reach an utopian society. i think that people jeapordize themselves and won't let themselves have something that's really good. people like having problems, drawing attention to themselves, and stuff like that.

I think we probably are living in Dystopia now, what with all the horrors going on in the world at any given moment how could this life not be Dystopia or hell?
and yet saying that Utopia might just be a dream,a beautiful wonderful dream that world strives to achieve. maybe some day the world will achieve Utopia when we are long gone and our great grand children are here to see it happen, wouldn't that be truly awesome?

Duality, it's magical, isn't it?

Utopia is an extreme. It is the epitome of perfection and is therefore impossible to achieve. We will never have utopia, it is simply too hard. There will always be individuals that will hold their mundane needs above the group's needs.

There have been attempts at utopias, all have eventually failed and never really been a true utopia. Hey, just the same, there has never been a true matriarchy. What does that tell ya?

Dystopia is an extreme as well. It is the epitome of imperfection and is therefore impossible to achieve. We will never have dystopia, it is simply too hard. There will always be individuals that will hold the group's needs above their own.

(Duality)
There have never been attempts at dystopias. It is the way of the universe to trend into dystopia. The universe is always making its way toward chaos. It doesn't matter what we do to prevent it, the universe always makes way for atomic entropy.

With that all said, I think we live in a wonderful gray area.

We will never get that bad, there is always good to undo it. We will never get that good, there is always bad to undo it.

Do you feel we'll ever find Utopia?

The way that the world is going, I feel like we are so far away from this ever being a perfect place that the world would have to end in doomsday and start over for anything to happen to make things better.

Have we already had it but it's been lost?

Everyone has their own opinion of what a Utopia is, like you said. But my opinion is that we cannot ever know. Maybe the world is how the bible said it was, Eden. But it got fucked up right? Evil always wins.

Do you believe Utopia is what awaits us after we die and move to the afterlife?

I hate these questions, because I do not want to be wrong when i die.

As for Dystopia, do you think we're living in it now?

The world has been and will still be in a much worse shape then this, so to use that word for the world we live in is just asking for more trouble.

Or do you think it's something that we'll eventually find in the future?

utopia is that safe place we escape to

dystopia is basically africa at this point. They really need help. i feel bad for those people.

utopia could also be england cuz its not ran by bush