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Most of us have probably heard the rumor that AIDS was started by a human having intercoarse with a chimp.
I realized that when doing reasearch, some vampyres really do feed off of animals. Do you think that it can be a possibility that a Vampyre back in the day may have fed from a chimp and contracted AIDS? And maybe it spread afterwards when the Vampyre then fed sexually off of an unknowing human, thus the AIDS virus was started?
What are your views on this?

some post.

i drink animal blood but ive not thought about the aids thing at all

im going to be a tad more careful

thank for this post

Good post.

I think people could certainly catch AIDS while drinking animal blood. Was AIDS started by a vampire? I think it's unlikely, but it is surely a possibility.

Possible, but I doubt it.

Here is a site that might shed a little more light on the subject...

http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

I always thought vampires could sense sickened blood therefore they wouldnt drink it if it was diseased..

i have the same view as sbetee.

i thought they could always sense when something was not right with the blood and stayed away if so.

I believe anything is possible and there could be a chance of vampires getting and passing on aids but i feel it is highly unlikely but anything is possible

I highly doubt that vampires started the disease. I don't believe in vampires. I highly doubt that AIDS was started by a human mating with a chimp, either.

I am sticking with the evidence Aids was started just as I was told. Too much promiscuity, too many drugs and way too many participants.

The theory you mentioned has pretty much been disproved.

This is the more plausible explanation:

Some researchers say that virus related to HIV is found in monkeys in Africa. Many scientists believe that the first humans got the HIV virus from monkeys by eating them as food or being scratched or bitten by them. It is possible that during preparation of the food or butchering the meat the infected blood could have entered the human body through a cut.

As for the Vampire theory, vampires rarely ingest animal blood as they do not obtain the same level of "euphoria" and strength as with human blood. Vampires are also immune to most diseases.

I also agree with sbetee; vampire sense of smell lets them know if a human is ill or unclean. This would allow them not to drink impure blood. I would think it would be the same towards animals.

That is infact a very logical explanantion to AIDS. WE have to do what we have to do in order to survive. Did a vampire maliciously spread AIDS? Of course not.

However, cannibals could be to blame for spreading AIDS too.

Like QueenMorbid, I too agree that aids came from the spreading of people having unprotected sex.

well AIDS was not started or spread by Vampires ... yet monkeys did play a key part in itas to the outbreak.

I feel most people whom feed make sure that the blood from wherever they get it is good / clean and everyone should take precaution no matter what in my opinion.

Why would Vampire's drink blood from an animal if there are human's availible?

Anyway, should it happen, i feel that yeah, Vampire's could catch HIV. Wether Animal's can carry the virus or not is something i would look at if i wasnt tired.

In a way I can see this happening more then I can the intercourse part, the way things work and everything would work we would not be able to get it from intercourse from a chimp. But drinking there blood we take it in to are body and it must fight the AIDs its self.

This reminds me of the book "The last Vampire" by R.L. Stein. In one of the books their is a teenage boy who has HIV and is getting sicker, he contracted it as a child from a blood transfusion. The woman vampire that he was friends with had him drink from her wrist and he not only got better...but the disease left his body. Yes, this is a fictional book, but this is also a hypothetical topic. I would like to think that if vampires played any part in the AIDS epidemic, they would be part of a remedy.

I donot think vampires started the disease, many stories have been out on this about the gov't started it and the chimps. well refrence material is always available on the sites of the internet.

I suspect it's possible but since HIV/AIDS has been traced back to Africa (not a lot of vampires there) I would imagine the conventional theory is accurate.

hey Xzavier, is there any information about vampires in Africa? I would like to see it if you could point me in the right direction, I've not ever heard anything about it. I just assume if we're here. we're there we're everywhere!!! =)

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Lav- AIDS isn't the fault of religion. The start of the epidemic was the fault of gays (hate me for saying so). If you don't have sex with a bunch of people or use drugs then I guess the Church is right, you don't need to use a condom. Besides you can use a condom and still get AIDS (come on people)!

As for Vampires in Africa, I personally haven't heard of any. But if they're there then I would say the numbers are low and thus statistically vamps bitting a monkey is also low. Have you ever seen on of those gibbon monkeys?? Mean and fast, they'd bite the vamp then runaway lol

I agree with queenmorbid. I dont believe in vampires that drink blood. People that drink any blood other than their own is looking for trouble. I also believe in what I have already been told since a young age about aids and that is because HIV has damaged their natural defences against disease.

I agree with Fox and qm. It's just silly.

"it spread afterwards when the Vampyre then fed sexually off of an unknowing human, thus the AIDS virus was started"

Ok, well let's say we are in the movies or a Bram book, and say a vampire with AIDS bit someone. Well, for one, vamps don't get diseases from what I have heard and even if he did and spread it when he bit someone, again, they wouldn't get it because then they would be a vamp OR dead, because they were bit.

*sigh, shaking head*

I am going to take the scientific approach. ;)

Hi xzav
Don’t get me wrong I didnt say the church directly invented aids.
Maybe some conspiracy theories point that way to religious governments but im not saying that. lol
I said any religion that stops protective sex is a problem not a solution for something very serious, I feel that is helping spread aids and not a small group of people who like to cut there friends n drink there blood.
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Hey Xzavier and lavisbre,

Xzavier why do you think that gays started aids I mean how was there some mix & combining of cells and therefore it was made or what??

*I mean to say that is just what was made and believed is it not??*

And Lavisbre what would be your solution for your church problem because me personally I don't know if there are any religions that don't support that.

*And above all how the hell did a vampyre get or give aids??*

I mean to say is a vampyre a psy drinker??
*Are you guys referring to sangs??*

I guess any religion or government that promotes unprotected sex or witchdoctor who says ok to rape of 8 year old virgins to take the aids from the infected is wrong in my view, but just my view and who am I to offer a solution to dogmatic or ignorance on such a world epidemic.
I feel sorry to those who think this is a god disease

I see well thank you lavisbre.

And all so what is your opinion on the question I asked Xzavier??

I to dont think that aids was started by Vampires but I must say very interesting post you have

Any one that drinks blood is open to disease so its very possible

So then if a Believe gets Aids..

Now for the question odf the thread.. I imagine that HIV infected blood would be ineffective for vampires, a person infected would likely be passed up by a vampire.. Note to self, "if Vampires break the Masquared get AIDS.. "

If we assume that vampires are real, I would say that if a vampire contracted AIDS, it would depend on which genre of vampire we're looking at, as some vampires heal quickly or fend off illnesses, other's do not. Some vampires can cure disease, while others cannot.

Let's remove all the Hollywood aspects... pretty much leaving a vampire who thrives on blood. This vampire would have a reduced immunity to foreign pathogens and viruses. The vampire would then succumb to the illness and die, just like all the other humans.

As one can see, the dilemma of which abilities the specific genre-constrained vampire has, determines the vampires ability to overcome or its demise.

From my personal taste, I like vampire stories which show vampires with some worldly and some supernatural powers mixed. My kind of vampire would be able to cure AIDS. There have been cases where humans have been cured of AIDS, so having Vampires also the ability to cure the disease, seems quite plausible. :)

its totally possible, I mean its blood and some vampires have to do it and then having sex with a human and spreading it.

sebetee Im with you I thought vampires could tell if the blood wasnt pure

I drink my personal blood but some times I drink blood of some animal like cats in the black mass I will be careful anothers time thanks my sister

I included the link to the article exerpt you copied/pasted PV.Im sure the others would like to read it as well,as it explains pretty well just how elusive the origin of this disease is.
http://www.articlecube.com/ezineready.php?id=45562

oh my god i never thought of it that way....
that brings a whole lot of new things to mind.
thank you for posting this!

I would tend to agree with Jens. I'd prefer a vampire like Angel who would be able to head himself.

Lav- I know you didn't but if I didn't come to the defense of the Church then, well, I'd be out of character lol. I do agree that their stance on the subject is rather ignorant.

Borked- I'm too pretty to be a troll ;) haha

Wolfkiller- I didn't say homosexuals started AIDS but helped it reach epidemic proportions. Before HIV/AIDS there was really little reason for gays to use condoms and in the age of the bath house it wasn't unheard of to have 3-4 partners in a night, let alone a week.

Due to the high number of risky sexual activities and multiple partners HIV/AIDS was allowed to spread extremely quickly through the gay community and then on to the rest.

Of course nowadays in the civilized world it's drug users and those on the "DL" who are to blame for the current conditions. And in undeveloped nations it's the ignorance of the population. I suppose some blame could be placed on them but it's really the fault of their respective governments.

if you thinking in terms of an actual undead vampire....there is probably more you'd be worrying about then just aids having a dead bacteria ridding corpse biting into you....lol

All I know is it's blood to blood contact from what I understand...

Xzavier:

I see Xzavier my mistake must have misread the post.

But continuing on I see your points and they are valid yes but how could it be the governments fault for such matters???

Here are some reasons I ask that:

1.Governments don't force such people to shoot up.

2.You can't stop someone from being gay so they couldn't have had fault there.

As to mass population what can the government do kill the babies when they are born I mean it is the fault of the people for producing more.

Thus, increasing the population and all so the government can't stop people from having intercourse so that validates that it is surely the peoples fault for the spread of that.

Correct???





Jens,

I would like to say something when someone is dead the blood cogalates thus causing it to stop so how would a vampire get it anyways.

I mean I know they have a working heart and brain but the blood they feed off of just goes to them not all the bodily mass of the vampire.

Right??

And you said take away what hollywood has put correct???

Well in that case you would make a vampire as what it is used today by blood-drinkers or sangs so I mean how could they build a defense to that??

When there are dangers an uneducated population doesn't know about it is the ethical obligation of their government to educate and help save lives.

This primarily involves Africa, where in 20 years or so 1/4 of the population could be dead. The governments there are extremely corrupt and when it comes to help, be it condoms, education, money or food the government officials will take for themselves and leave the scraps to the population.

Then of course you have some who are stubborn and as Lav. said will have sex with a virgin to get rid of it, when of course that just makes it worse.

Xzavier,

I see you point but why would somebody just have sex with a girl because she is a virgin in your opinion??

And yeah it is a sad time in africa but I ask you know even though nations around the world give there aide why do you think it is such a occurring situation??

Some tribes think having sex with a virgin will get rid of aids, it's a cultural thing.

Xzavier,

Thank you all so for the posts.^_~

And yeah it is a sad time in africa but I ask you know even though nations around the world give there aide why do you think it is such a occurring situation??

And so now may I ask how do you think a vampire can contract aids if they are dead and there blood no longer flows??

vampires cant get aids because there not alive

Then how do they feed shento??

Vampyres are not immortal. We are just as prone to getting to diseases as any normal human being. We can't sense a disease, that's just wierd. Maybe some psyvamps can, but not most. If you believe I'm incorrect, take a peak at the black veil. It perfectly states that we need to screen our donors before we feed AKA we can't tell if they're carrying anything.

I believe the original message on how aids was spread. unprotective sex with multiple partners and drug use . It is kind of hard for me to believe that vampires are the cause of aids. But like was said in the previous post vampires are not immortal and would be susceptible to diseases just like anyone else. And anyone who consumes blood from other sources is at risk.

im not a big fan of the bible but supposedly the first STD was started when a man did the nasty with a sheep sooo its possable that inadvertantly vamps did spread aids if they drank from the chimps

I do not think that aids came from vampires. I think the traditional way of what started it is true. multiple sex partners without taking safety precautions and drugs, sharing needles.

Ha nah, vampires didn't start it.

The way I see it, when vamps bite someone, they die and become a vamp, soo I mean, wouldn't that mean that the only people who have aids would be vamps?? But they are dead anyways, soo it wouldn't matter.

Ha. That's just how I see it.

-Juggalette givin MMFWCL

i thought it was a tainted polio vaccine that started the aids?....*shrugs* blame the evil green monkey lol

i dunno i think the whole monkey/human thing is funny though i know aids is a very serious topic indeed.

i do however think that anything is possible.

a dead body cannot contract any disease

i say once yo all ready or turn in to a vam[ire you cant cant get any like aids or any thing esla cause you or all right dead and the inside

I think that it may be possible, but I believe also that it could have been started by the goverment for population control

I don't think it's possible an immortan vampire could contract AIDS from an animal. If were talking about the wannabe's, sure.

AIDS/HIV was thought to be originally traced to a member of a African tribe who contracted the disease via drinked the blood of a sacrificed monkey.... and then the tribesman had sex with another person.... eventually ending with "Patient Zero", a french Airline Steward.

if vampires do exist.... I doubt they would be the carrying the AIDS/HIV virus....

since Vampires KILL their victims..... and since AIDS/HIV is a very fragile disease and can't survive unless conditions are perfect.....

AIDS/HIV will not survive in a dead body, or even in an undead body.

Yeah, this thread is reaching.

What, now society is blaming vampires for the AIDS epidemic? Really now.

Since society cannot justly identify an individual to be a vampire, then society cannot claim any such facts. Nor blame the name vampire for some senseless act.

Where do you get your information, and since when do vampires actually drink animal blood? This by itself has not been proven. Show me a vampire who drinks animal blood, and I will show you an Anne Rice "Interview With The Vampire" role player, just wanting attention...Or, just a vampire that has no idea on how to "hunt"...J/K...More roleplay humor, get a life people.

AIDS was created by the US government like most other diseases to make you pay high doctor bills and to rid the people they don't want on the planet

HellHathWings: I think that's the best explaination of AIDS I've seen yet. There really are a lot of theories surrounding the spread of AIDS, and yes, it is more commonly known as an STD now than anything else. However, I do not believe that a vampire started it. While the immortal Hollywood vampires certainly don't exist, as we have all seen, I do believe that there are "vampires" out there. As for whether or not they could have spread the AIDS, I don't think so. As someone mentioned earlier, vampires kill their food. The blood that they drink is usually from a dead source, and so, being that AIDS can't survive in a dead body for more than a few minutes at best, I think it is safe to say that no...vampires did not spread it.

For once, I am in total agreeance with ~HellHathWings~. Damn, he beat me to it.

I know form research we did at schooll when the HIV was reveal in the 80's that we were explain by our biology teacher that it was a chimp and a human mating that caused the "virus" to be created.

After the human spread it by having unsafe sex and it was spread around the globe.

As for the vampires, I admit if we follow the myth no desease can touch them meaning AIDS can not touch them.

but modern vampires ( psy etch) are as human as a human can be so the AIDS/HIV will contaminate them when cosuming blood that is contaminated there is not such thing as a protection when blood is taken.

HHW's explanation made me chuckle...I'm not gonna lie. I think it's highly doubtful that someone fucked a chimp and got it like that.

I dont care who or what you are, anyone can catch AIDS by the transfer of blood if it is affected.

I heard it was from a chimp and male but I also heard it was from something else just cant remember for the life of me what it was. I will remember when I go to bed I bet.

Sorry SoulShroude....for beating you to it, i am glad someone does agree....



More than 20 years after the AIDS epidemic arrived in the United States, a significant proportion of African Americans embrace the theory that government scientists created the disease to control or wipe out their communities, according to a study released today by Rand Corp. and Oregon State University.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33695-2005Jan24.html




Origins:

The ghastly disease AIDS burst upon the scene in the early 1980s. Though this particular grim reaper has not long stalked among us, it has taken millions of lives and has staked its cold-fingered claim to millions more. That it seemed to appear out of nowhere has sparked a multitude of rumors regarding its origin and path of destruction. Rumors about AIDS include claims that it was:


An out-of-control germ warfare virus that escaped from its handlers.
Spread by specific ethnic groups (e.g., Haitians).
Put in the fluoride of our drinking water.
Put in K-Y Jelly by the Centers for Disease Control to eliminate homosexuals.

Developed by the CIA.
Developed by the Russians.
Created in Hitler's laboratories.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/aids.asp

"This is a modern-day David vs. Goliath battle," said Graves, 50, an AIDS activist who lives in Normal Heights and represents himself in the federal lawsuit.

"The paper trail does exist. These are official documents."

Graves contends that AIDS is the product of decades of ultra-classified government research into developing a race-specific virus that attacks and kills blacks.

He compares the project to the eugenics movement early last century, when scientists and others advocated "racial hygiene" – a practice that in Germany led to Nazis working to eliminate Jews.

Graves, who is black, is not alone in his suspicions. Across the Internet, there is chatter about the origin of AIDS – theories that include CIA plots and vaccine programs run amok.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20030703-9999_7m3boyd.html

Could the gov. have created it as a form of biological weapon against the Soviets etc.? Sure, but I doubt it. HIV/AIDS is far to perfect especially for our technology 25+ years ago not to mention the time it would take to develop it.

Personally I find the notion that the "man" did it to kill off the poor, weak, non-Christian white male etc. beyond offensive and lacking serious logical, historical and scientific backing. For once stop blaming bad things on the government and blame it on personal actions and lack of responsibility.

It is the irresponsibility that keeps it going but how did it start?

Technology we have now, the gov had 25 years ago. This may go with the conspiracy theorists but it is the only thing that has ever made any sense as a theory.

I have never been big on consiracy theories,but AIDS is without doubt, a man made virus.

Dammit,did it again..sorry.

But this illness is being linked to the developement of the Hep B vaccine.If you havent already,you might want to have a looksie at the Higginson and Muir report on cancer studies ,which was conducted by the International Agency for Research in Cancer.

Truer words could not have been said Penguin!!
But regardless,while the illness is spread by fluids,it is highly doubtful this started with sex with a chimp.And it is doubtful it started with the "hunter cut" theory as was believed in the beginning.In the earlier days of this disease ,it was very fragmented,not the full blown illness we see today.

No one knows how anything really got started in the first place. It's all "he said, she said". The original people took the start of it with them to the grave and now the rest of us can only speculate.

Hmmm,I wish I could aggree,but no,it has gone much farther than that.

Thank you for following up on that point. Whether you call yourself human, wolf or vamp if you have AIDS stop having sex unless it is with someone who already has it.

That is a big NO!! What happens is it mutates...Not good advice AT all.Liken it to taking only a few antibiotics..
Its simple..abstain or don the mach 4 chem gear before going into the contamination zone.

In fact,that bit of "advice" gets my hackles up..I cannot believe you would say such a thing.Because it is due to practices like that ,that we are now down to one damn super antibiotic that even works.
Shame shame.


Shame

Oceanne- I disagree! OMG lol I don't think it's a man made virus, possible sure, but no :)
One reason why I say this to you is because you understand how matter forms and life reacts etc.
Have you seen the AIDS virus?

Here are several reffs if anyone cares to look..I cant remember where I saved them from,so I cannot post any link..
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We do have the technology. We can clone things. We can use chemicals to create food. We can generate an ear on a rats back and even regenerate arms. What else can we do? We have the knowledge to do anything almost.

Now tell me that doesn't look like the polar regions of Saturn Oceanne :)



You got me good!! Yes. And there are things I can say about that,which would make it debatable..but you know? I like where youre headed with this..I really do.
Time for a little readjustment in my thinking perhaps? Lets have coffee Zav...
Oh hell,now you have me going.

HHW- I'm sorry we don't have the ability to do everything. Cloning is beyond difficult and results in more failure than success. We're not gods and we can't do a lot...how do I know? Because I've worked in this field for years, professionally.

Oceanne: Give me a few and I'll add to my little stumper :)

What is most likely cause of this widespread bizarre zoonosis was some man-made (( iatrogenic) event which involved chimpanzees,not that they actually created it as it os today..
So really a combo..

yeh,me too Zav..but you know how it goes..you get youself so deep ,and sometimes you might not see whats in front of your face till someone says hey!
You got my attention cause I see right where your headed with it instantly..and it kikks butt.

As much as I'd like to think it may have been some experiment that went wrong escaped and mutated I still am very unsure.

I keep thinking of cholera. A disease which (normally) lies in wait in soil until a storm comes along and releases it. Also, like Ebola, it is possible that it did exist for thousands of years until a precise sequence of events happened and *poof* pandemic.

From what I know of it's genetic structure it wouldn't be to hard to imagine a form which lived in an animal vector for thousands of years and even would have been harmless to people. But switch on or off a few genes and then it becomes what we have today. It is the process of that switch which I am very interested in.

I don't believe anything the bible says

it might be possible to contract aid or an std how ever it's highly unlikely the only way I could think of it is if you were human and you was turned then it could be transfered that is the only logical thing that I can think of

As much as I'd like to think it may have been some experiment that went wrong escaped and mutated I still am very unsure.

***I am too,and Ebola is a good example of just what you are talking about.but what Im pretty sure of, is that the catalyst is likely due to man.***

I keep thinking of cholera. A disease which (normally) lies in wait in soil until a storm comes along and releases it. Also, like Ebola, it is possible that it did exist for thousands of years until a precise sequence of events happened and *poof* pandemic.

From what I know of it's genetic structure it wouldn't be to hard to imagine a form which lived in an animal vector for thousands of years and even would have been harmless to people. But switch on or off a few genes and then it becomes what we have today. It is the process of that switch which I am very interested in.

***Yes,and in the beginning stages it was so fragmented,we didnt even really realize what was happening..and then poof** it crosses to humans.I have some good reports for you if interested.***

You and me both..and about a million others:)

But thats only one side of this...And Im getting ready to deeper into the one you have presented,I guess I should not have neglected that side of it....So looking forward to our coffee....

for cloning proof please see these articles:

http://www.livescience.com/cloning/


http://www.arhp.org/patienteducation/onlinebrochures/cloning/index.cfm?ID=282


This taken from http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/cloning.shtml
proves that cloning is possible.

The possibility of human cloning, raised when Scottish scientists at Roslin Institute created the much-celebrated sheep "Dolly"



Professionally or not, you did miss something in your studies. No disrespect.

I'm not debating cloning I just said it's hard and meets with a lot of failure which is a solid fact. Sorry but I fail to see how this relates to the topic at hand.

one thing led to another and to another... in order to debate the facts of AIDS we needed to discuss other aspects...... off topic and yet trying to prove a part of the topic

Hey..it isnt disrespect to draw ones attention to something they might have missed,or throw something in there that might lead to some thought adjustment..isnt it the whole purpose of disscussion? to help trigger things in another's mind that would help them form a conclusion on a subject? Those are good links, and Yes,Dolly is a big thing and yesterdays news..but what they did was no easy feat..there are all kinkds of hurtles and countless tries ,before there was ever a success.
Trust me Zav knows about Dolly and such.but this situation is just a little different, when it comes to development of disease ....for several reasons.
Personally,I feel there is alot more to this than just one or even two, and feel it is a combination of things in more than any one area.

Thats how it always happens..one thing leads to another..why do you think my paper on resonance isnt published yet?..cause of stuff just like this..and now my paper just got a little bigger..maybe,by what I understand,a whole lot bigger...this subject just slipped right in there too..in a big way actually.

Oceanne- Since viruses aren't technically life, thus not alive, what would be it's resonance frequency?

Similarly if vampires are dead and AIDS isn't alive could that not make it possible for the "un-dead" to contract the disease?

I don't know what resonance frequency means.

I am unsure of this by the way it is worded.

we have some sort of sence to tell when some one is sic

questions concering aids, i always make sure im protected no drinking blood from any animal and i assure you im extremly high maintence lol so i dont see any thing comen from me, im not sure if im answeinrg this correctly bare with me.

2) I think that its not true but thanks for the post!

i think now it is possible with modern day vampires that if they are unsafe they can catch aids,though i do not believe they are the source of the design of the aids disease myself.

Ill send that to you Zav..and you might just find a little something that will startle you!

i dont think it is a vampires fault.

Sure Zav..here go.

Hz

Tetanus 120
Treponema 660
Gonorrhea 712
Staphlococci 728
Pneumococci 776
Typhoid Bacteria 712
Streptothrix (fungus) 784
Streptococci 880
Bacillus Coli Virus 1552
Tuberculosis Rod Form 803
Tuberculosis Virus 1552 (same as B-Coli)
Sarcoma (all forms) 2008
Carcinoma (all forms) 2128
Typhoid Virus 1862
Bacillus Coli Rod Form 800

This info comes from a report I read by Dr.Stafford.not from the internet,so I cannot provide a link.Sorry.
And you might want to look into RIFE.

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