Is it possible for your body to be stolen from you? More in-depth to that question
Soul displacement to what exactly my understanding for soul displacement is when a soul be it
Demonic, vampiric, or someone who just wants to live again comes and boots out
Your soul and takes over your body.
Sort sounds like possession to me but my understanding to that is you’re still in there
The idiot taking over is holding you captive against your will.
And if your soul can be kicked out how can you protect yourself?
And if your soul is out how do you get back your body?
while doing astral travel if you are not careful your body can be taken over from you by other spiritual entities.
I would have to agree. Also, during the time that a medium lets another "entity" enter their body, well, that could be dangerous also. Who knows if the entity is actually who they say they are? What if they are a "bad" entity? They could overtake the mind of the medium!
The only way I see this even being conceivable is to have your guard down, such as in a meditative state, for example. The whole battling from within and the like, I don't know that I have an opinion other than it wold have to be a weak-minded individual. This doesn't imply simpleton, autistic, mentally insane, etc. It could be someone under-rested and over-stressed. Again, I have a hard time accepting the possibility.
Silly question but who is this "you" that you are talking about? If your Soul leaves, what's left? The Ego? sounds like the Ego. Who else thinks that they can protect, stand and defend what the Soul can not. Think the Ego will be there without the Soul present? Silly ego.
I've never astrally traveled, but someone I respect and trust has, and he felt very vulnerable, ecstatic, and also eager to return to his body.
He felt as if the tether to his body was not secure, as if there were forces, unreliable forces like wireless internet, who might interfere at any time with his free flight.
It's not, preserve the body, preseve the soul...Or at least the memories...
I don't believe that your soul can be forced from your body. I do believe in posessions, but when you're being posessed your soul remains inside your body...you're just kind of sharing your body with another entity, against your will. I don't think anything has enough power to force your soul out of your body, except for death.
Will Billy wrote in just a few lines that which I would probably have taken ages to write lol
Maybe people have been fooled by all the horror films and books ?
So yes I can only add, never underestimate the power of your Soul.
LOL well Billy the just said a mouth full and I agree.
I do not feel that your soul can be taken out of your body , well I feel it will move leave once your dead. As for being kicked out or taken from your body do not think so, Now I believe in possession of the body yet your soul is what will help you fight the enity ot spirit that has entered your body. I mean isn't our soul who makes us whom we are.
the only way I see possession is when your guard is down or you are in a meditative state and allow a spirit to enter you, which is a no no in my opinion . How do you know what they are capable of.
so no I do not feel your Soul can be taken or booted from your body. Just my 2 cents is all.
In refernce to the "you" i was talking about i ment your soul,spirit or energy.Like something comeing and litterly kicking you out of your body(out of body experence seeing ones self phycally)and your standing there confused going whoa.And your body runs off lol on its own.I mentiond possession and I have delt with it but one person whom i thought was possessed said he was just the one who skin wakled right in,And the owner was banished out I was confused so why i asked about this because I am beleving he is just possessed and not displaced.And the owner is still in there (btw I think this person is just plain creepy) Oh and to late on not touching the Necronomicon stories by horror novelist H. P. Lovecraft.lol stupid book read it bought the tee shirt.
I dont think its possible to take over someones body. Plus if your soull is kicked out then u would no longer be
The questions gave me mental images of someone being out of body still attached because most believe everyone is attached to their body by a cord if they are still alive sometimes described as silver in color but a lifelife so to speak which could be equated with an umbililal cord. Looking down at their body somewhat like an astronaut doing a space walk but is still tethered unable to return due to a malfunction. By what means would any entity be able to cut this cord? Would the person be stuck out there floating around unable to actual leave until the body died or the entity decided to leave and move on?
I have heard where someone is suicidal and an agreement is made for one soul to leave the body and another one come in. Some think it is an enlightened soul. They are called walk-ins. Most mediums will not let anyone channel through them their guides haven't approved of beforehand.
We don't understand thoughts, what the nature is of discarnate spirits or even perhaps spirits that never inhabited a body, higher vibrational beings, or just another persona of the individual that takes over.
I watched a movie on LMN recently based on a real case. Of course it was dramatized but the husband to this day is having a hard time believing what investigations revealed. This woman was being taken over by another personality of hers and the one shot the other of course killing the person because she shot herself in the head. The thing is, technically you couldn't call it a suicide even though the part of her that the husband knew was trying to kill the other one off as she was driving her crazy. (Crazy is relative since she had a multiple personality problem)
We honestly don't know at times if it is a separate entity from the individual or some part of themselves manifesting in a very negative way. My questions is why would they have enough power to oust someone lock stock and barrel. Anyone know that answer? Usually it is a sharing of the body because the person opens themselves up to doing so but we truly don't know the mechanism of it but just the scenarios of how this happens at times. How they actually enter whether an open vessel or not is unknown.
i would like to think that if your soul is kicked out of your body you would no longer be amoung us...... unless the kicked out soul took over someone elses body???
I believe all these bodies are already stolen, buy us, making us their rightful owners.
ye it is possible if you leave your body as a out of body experience a evil spirit can try to plant itself in it.
i think this question is stupid. stealing bodies. only grave robbers steal bodies
I think it would be possible for an entity to enter your body against your will in certain situations, such as during or immediately after a severe mental or physical trauma when your natural psychic protection is low.
stealing bodies is weird to say the least but maybe just maybe we could be taken over by something.
It's possible, though it's also possible to share a body with another soul. I do, and that's the reason for the name LordZacharias. His name was Michael Anton Zacharias, and he lived 800 years ago.
I concur with most of the statements put on this page,, nobody could steal your body, its not angible,
wow 800 years the history that man could tell us.Is your other person you share with vampire?The person who told me first about body theft claimed he to was inhabited by another soul and at times his own soul was kicked out.Or displaced as he called it when the other wanted to complete things in this life he didn't in the last.
Partly, though is also part demon by this point. Conveniently, an ex of mine was also co-inhabited..... by his wife. She was a vampire in her original life.
interesting co-inhabited my thoughts on that is possession which is 9/10 ths of the law (little humor).None the less still even though i have only talked to one person in real life.Who inspired me to ask this question about Body Theft
I have found possession more of a possibility.
In ostb cases, the body is shared more often than it is taken over completely- though is certain moments of extreme stress Michael takes over and acts as I might. He's been known to do that from time to time.
Well back in the dark ages of medical and mental days.People who claimed to be possessed were diagnosed
as deranged and demented or with MPD.(multi-personality disorder)(mmm don't know if i had spelt that right diagnosed lol )But psychiatric has come a long ways.
I know of walk-ins....that can enter the body to finish what they could'nt finish because they passed to quickly.
Never the soul tho.
A Trans-medium where another comes in and speaks through them, as well as those who meditate should always say a prayer of protection and wrap themselves in the white light.
it has happened to a couple of friends of mine.they had to have an exorsium
i have heard of this
it has not happened to any of my friends or myself..
but if your soul is strong and firm and can "look" into the spirit, your soul should be safe...
in other words...
weak souls usually are the ones taken over by the entity.
I could see this during astral travel but not certain about any other time. So would have to agree with what most have posted already. Interesting topic though.
i have to agree with most of the post, but during astal projestion if your body is startled my say someone trying to wake you then your body might not let you back in, or at least thats what i've heard
can't you die if you ar out of your body for too long? wouldn't your sould just ..dissapear?
i've been told but don't quote me on it that if you stay to long out side of your body your soul can end up in a place like limbo. apparently you won't be able to get back in your body
Perhaps such a phenomenon could account for dramatic personality changes.
yea thats what i've been told but i don't know wheather or not to believe it
you could make a granny knot with a blade of grass and swallow it, then run around the whole day with a stocking cap and your gloves on. or you could call forth satan, lucifer, belial and leviathon, and tell them to get your body back from the ones who took it.
or you could just get a new body, like a new car.
i think that sometimes we feel we have lost our way and that our soul are lost but we have to keep picking them back up and go on
From my understanding this can happen while astral travelling or if you have had an operation where you receive a body part from someone else. Sometimes there is an agreement between souls to switch for a time.
When someone loses their body, they have a radical personality change and will behave in a totally different manner to they once use to.
I am unsure on how to protect yourself or to fix the problem.
would you know before it happened? orwhat to look for?
I don't think so.
I don't believe different souls can inhabit a body while one is away.
The body is made for one soul and one soul only. Nothing else.
I don't think this could happen.
One of my friends said that it did happen to him, but I mean, I won't believe it til I see it happen!
-Juggalette givin MMFWCL
could a take over happen while your asleep? i mean is it true your soul leaves the body when your asleep
Well i believe it can happen as there are many bad spirits floating about so if they are powerful enough then why not?
yea i agree if their powerful enough then there's nothing to stop them
that is a very good point, Tzaddi. Especailly being that the spirits are known to lie and twist things to get what it s they want
I have heard that the soul leaves while sleeping and I have heard that the mind leaves.When the person told me about his so called Soul Displacement or Body Theft he had personality changes when he was lost out of his body.I became scared and did not want to accept that what he was saying was infact a possablity so I am so glad others have simular feelings.That it is a possabilty for this to actually happen.
Most of the time NO. Only if you let 'them in" could it happen. Like a medium or a down/loss person. Our souls are to strong to just kick us out.
im not sure i understand any of this, kind of perplexing and hard to believe, maybe your body can be stolen by a part of you that you dont want present, like when i get mad, im not the same person, i lose control, could that be something this thread is getting at?
If someone becomes obsessed with such things and has sufficent enforced suggestion and saturation by others, then I could imagine like hypocondria something proxy to possession could appear to inflict the person, i would see this more as a complex or phycosis rather the PSI, or occult.
so there's no way of someone else knowing that something has taken your place?
I don't think so. To be possible someone would have to learn first how to leave their body [spirit and all] and find someone else who left their body [spirit and all] and learn how to project themselves into the body that isn't theirs.
I imagine it could happen but i am also one of those believer i shall believe it when i see it.. I am not saying i do not believe in it.. Just if it is true or not..
I don't believe that you can be displaced from you body I think that you need to give up your body because you are tied to the body being alive and if you are ripped from it the body would die as well.
For those who they tthey'll believe when they actually see it- how can you see a soul leave a body or one gorce its way in? Do you have a psychic 'third eye'? If so, maybe you'll actually see it happen. There are such things as lost souls looking for their place, even if it's in one of us- they're commonly known as Otherkin. And yes, demons DO exist outside of the Bible and fantasy- even one that appears to be an angel can have a dark secret of the like not yet seen.
indens youst to leave ther bodey's to go to war that way thay could not die then ones the batel was over thay retend home and got back in ther body
yup I think it is very possible. We have heard of the stories of people possed in a way their body was stolen from them.
I believe in demonic possession, but I kinda have a hard time believing that someone or something could evict me from my body and take off with it...
will not sure but i been told your soul leaves when you past so why would they just not wait and then take you .
Yea isn't this a form of Astral Projection? I may be wrong but the do what every ones talking about wouldn't both the spirits have to use Astral Projection?
How to tell if someone has been Body Jacked, well if the person had no defining character I imagine it would be easy for the invader to pass as the former occupant, especially if that person had shallow social interaction, or the Jacker I imagine could pass as an Amnesia suffer for sometimes as well, at least until they acquaint them selves with the new hardware.
If a person is a couch potato, did you know that Identity thiefs seek them out, usually hitting their mail, why? Because the inactive person is less likely to be disturbed by subtle things. A lazy person is a good target for a body snatcher as well, I imagine.
I would imagine as well dabbler it is possible if i was going to steal a body i would suffer memory loss.
If I took the body of a scientist, I would not likely be able to recite the Table of elements either. I could imagine that I would have access to a lab, but little idea of the mechanics of the lab.
Well astral visit do not harm s ad no threat of loss of body. Coz the property of body remain as it is, just like personis in sleep or in koma. astral travel harmless at all.
the body capturing can be possible in exceorcism by fools or pull of entity in excorcism stronger than the players of exorcism.
or any ghost area it may be on hunt.
but astral case it is not possible at all.
my office where i am on service situated in one industrial estate and my office's guards says the indl state is haunted and two time even ghost thrown the security man along with his chair where he sat on.
and many a time the female ghost he viewed and two of watchman left the job due to this. one of them even become mad due to he seen the ghost. and other one literally grabbed the watch man's hand who was brave to show him " see she is going see she is going." even that brave person became feared that night due to his fear. many peepal saw the ghost there.
but i did not saw even one night i worked there. I worked there till 12.30 midnight and went to home and reached office in the morning again 4.30 am and worked there and no fear at all.
Personally I have never had anything like this happen to myself or anyone else that I have known.
The only time I have ever heard of "body theft" was through possession.
astral travel I've never heard of people snatching your body because you are still always tied to it even when we die we are still some how connected to our physical bodies. Unless this is invasion of the body snatchers I really don't see this happening.
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no i only believe in astral projecting but your doing that.
Yes, proof is one of older brothers, he is surely possessed. that's not even in question.
I don't believe it can be. Sylvia Browne states in her books, that we cannot be overtaken by spirits or anything like that unless we allow them to. So I don't know about a subconscience desire. But it has to be agree to.
No I don't believe that lol. It isn't possible to kick someone's spirit out of their body and take it over. That was done in the movie "The Skeleton Key."
In astral visit it doesnot happen even i did astral travel so many time....
it can be possiblein the state of sleeping when person is completely slept without dreaming...
but it does not kick off the owner. and ghost invasion very much possible. even sucubi incubi or high hypnotist can do this. but they wont stay in the body more than few time pass. they can not invade others conscious more than one hour... but ghost can stay forever.
If it was possible I don't think it would be removing a persons spirit. I think it would be more of a "take over" of their body and spirit.
except ghost every kin controls other from away they do no enter into the body. body to them just like a garbage.
the owner by birth can not be removed from the body till death and even after it have to lose interest and charm of the body.
I don't believe it can be. Sylvia Browne states in her books, that we cannot be overtaken by spirits or anything like that unless we allow them to. So I don't know about a subconscience desire. But it has to be agree to.
Isn't that serving to Sylvia, the hack.. what makes here such an authority on "possession". See leads people to comfort.. saying it is not possible, then just like a medium, veils here answer with an "unless" what a non commital-wishy washy hack, nothing uncommon for so called mediums.
The best way to protect yourself would be to focus on your psychic energy. Learn ways to block anything from entering you. And if you are already being held captive, talk to someone who has experience with either exorcism or demonology.
lol dabbler calling Sylvia a hack didn't you do a post on her?
I have to agree with the ones you mentioned the Astral Projection . When you leave your body you leave it vacant for anything to enter it,I have astral projected a few times and it is scary to think you could come back and your body is taken over by something else.
I don't think it's possible. To be able to do so it would have to be possible to leave your body. Then you'd have to learn how to get someone else to do it and learn to inhabit their body.
A body sitter.. *?* note to self.. check listings in help wanted ads for body sitters.. I like the creative posts. another twist to a catchy thread.
Dr. Brian Weiss has a great book on astral projection. I've read it, but never tried it. Its been some years since I've read it, but I don't remember him talking about anything negative during the process. I could be wrong, but how he stated it, it was a calm, mellow type of thing, and not any negativity.
I am not sure about stolen but possed yes I do believe so. I have heard a lot of people have gone through this. Have never known anyone personally go through this.
Dr. Nandor Fodor
The incipient stage of possession is personation during which the medium's own personality is still in the body but is assuming the characteristics of someone departed.
The next stage is partial possession, the excitation of the medium's motor or sensory centers by a discarnate agent either through the subconscious self or in some direct way. Myers suggested the word telergic as a correlative to telepathic for such action.
Full possession postulates the vacation of the organism by the medium to allow the entrance of another spirit. Alternating personalities offer the first suggestion of the possibility of possession. An arbitrary personality may possess the organism of the hypnotic subject at the hypnotizer's suggestion. Traveling clairvoyance in dreams points to the wandering of the spirit while the body is asleep. Cases of religious ecstasy in which an excursion is made into the spiritual world furnish another instance of the temporary separation of body and soul. Once we admit the possibility of the soul leaving the body, we have to admit the possibility of another spirit entering it.
Whether possession has actually taken place or whether it is a secondary personality which speaks through the organism this is a question of evidence. The evidence should be furnished by the nature and contents of the communications. The testimony of the medium is not available. As a rule he does not remember what has happened. Swedenborg remembered his excursions into the spiritual world but in his case there was no possession. The subjects of Cahagnet described heavenly visions in trance but there is not enough evidence to rule out the possibility that even when evidential communications from discarnate spirits were forthcoming they were not controlled by the subconscious self alone. Mrs. Piper never remembered her visions of the spiritual world and, the fragmentary utterances during her passing from trance to the waking life disregarded, she was the tool, for writing and utterances, of alien entities.
If no new knowledge is shown in the trance state there is no reason to ascribe the communication to an external intelligence. The character of the communicator alone does not furnish convincing proof. Secondary personalities are often hostile and antagonistic to the primary one, the cleavage might not be intellectual alone but also moral, therefore the difference between the normal self of the medium and the communicator does not necessarily clinch the case for possession. Supernormal knowledge which the medium could not have acquired, is an indispensable condition to prove the presence of an external spirit. Incoherence in the communicator does not militate against possession. It is rather in favor of it. If the spirit of the medium vacates the body his brain will be left behind in a dreamlike state. To control such a brain and to make it obey the will of the communicator may not only be an enervating process, but full of pitfalls and possibilities of confusion.
Taken as a phenomenon, possession presents to us the central mystery of human life. We are seeing a mind use a brain.
Possession is always temporary and implies a wilful surrender of his organism on the part of the medium.
If possession takes place against the will of the medium and endures in the waking state we witness the phenomenon of obsession.
The possibility of an instrumental test of possession was first suggested by Mr. Whately Smith. He advised the use of a galvanometer which measures the emotional reactions of the medium to a certain set of questions. The different controls, if they are different personalities, should exhibit different emotional reactions to the same questions. It was by such tests that the independence of Mrs. Garrett's controls was established at the John Hopkins University and at the New York Psychical Institute in 1933.
Is it possible that a materialized spirit should be possessed by another? Archdeacon Colley claims to have observed such a case in the mediumship of F. W. Monck. "Samuel," the guide of the medium, controlled the body of an Egyptian phantom, "the Mahedi," spoke through him in his own voice and wrote in English in his own characters (there were samples of direct writing available for comparison) in good idiomatic English of which the Mahedi himself could not utter a word.
For Possession by the living see: Control.
Wow thank you dabbler that was most interesting. I am going to ponder on this for a while.
Dr. Nandor Fodor, has really taken some interesting positions on most para-normal topics, I suggest for reading "Between Two Worlds"
I also suggest reading his findings on the Tina Resch Case. Any other topic, yet it shows his ecclectic view very well.
thanks dabbler i will most gladly check out Tina Resch Case.
I think that would depend on the strength of the enitity trying to take over, and the strength of the person, who was resisting.
I don't think that's possible. I think our souls are specific to our bodies...like puzzle pieces.
This raises another question for me, similar to the one that came up in the "owning a soul" thread, once an out side entity has "Jacked a body" what next?
Body theft eh ... I suppose for it to be possible you'd have to will yourself strong enough out of your body and learn to take possession of another. Otherwise it would be impossible.
Watching cult followers I can make a case for possession, people sjust let others assign them to what ever. being blindly devote can deplete a person so much, that they just concide to what ever task is given to them. Makes a case somewhat, it is more in the mind control area but if you can get a mind like that, then for those that subscribe to a spiritual beliefs of a soul then it is not far behind the conciousness.
i know your body can be taken over while astral travel, i do not know how to get it back in, but it is something to read up on
I will be the first to admit, I would take over the body of the opposite sex, and my intent would be .. well obvious..
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Do you think there actually might be a book that's like that?
i do not believe a soul can be kicked out..because each soul has a connection a bond if you will with their own physical body..but,but i do believe there can be a strugle a fight if you will over a body byt the owner soul and the entity trying to leech on this body,i do believe in soul misalignment though where it leaves the body open for spirits to openly use a physical body such as in coma patients.
Does that mean you don't believe in astral projection either?