Ok, I have a few questions about premonitons...
First, Are they REAALY scences of the future?
Second, Can they happen in dreams?
Third, Is this a for of Psychic Ability?
Fourth, how can they be triggered?
Whats inspired me to ask these questions, is that i've been looking around and I have found several different takes on the subject, so I thought about asking people here on VR.
okay I will try to answer this in order....
For me its a dream because I am sleeping when I see bits of what is going to happen. It always happens in my sleep for me. I don't know if it's a form of Psychic ability, and I have no clue how the dreams are triggered.... They just happen for me. I don't think they are triggered...
So, I believe the dreams are random ^_^
Thanks, I have dreams like this sometimes, and when i do, the event i see happens within the 2 days following, it feels like de ja vu
Yeah.... I get a sense of WTF!?!?!?!?! and then I realise whats happening and sometimes it annoys me because I won't realize whats going on till its almost over.... but other times I remember the dreams very vividly and can't get them to leave my head till they happen.... Furthest time span I have seen was about two weeks in advance... I didn't remember the dream till it started...
First, Are they REAALY scences of the future?
They can be. But sometimes you can dream about something happening in a completely differant environment, only to have it happen in real life.
Second, Can they happen in dreams?
Yes they can, but I beleive they can also happen while awake.
Third, Is this a for of Psychic Ability?
Yes it is. It is a more common thing that most people have.
Fourth, how can they be triggered?
I don't think they are triggerd, they just happen to occur.
well it used to happen to me alot
so i would beleive for me its triggered
i have no idea by what tho
maybe its just something everyone is born with
but choose not to or dont know how
n some os just know how to do so
wow, so, is it always considered a premonition if you dream something and it happens?
Sure it can happen, I mean the scenes from the future. I do it while dreaming, have been doing it for a few years now. I always make sure to tell a close friend or family member...that way when the event happens you and they know that you're not crazy and that gives you proof.
I do the same thing MM..Also,those kind of dreams have a paticular feel to them.You know every detail and ,for me,they always nag at me until I tell someone.
ya, i see what your saying, its hard to keep stuff like that in.
I have a friend that can sense things about to happen and he's never wrong. Do I believe that he has that ability? You bet I do. I just wish he could see tomorrow's lottery numbers...
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The goober formerly known as Noirtist.
The existence of precognition is disputed by skeptics such as Robert Todd Carroll, who believe that there is a lack of scientific evidence supporting the existence of precognition and who contend that examples of what are commonly thought to be precognition can be explained naturally without evoking supernatural abilities.[3] Skeptics point to the fact that the human memory has a tendency to selectively recall coincidences and forget all of the other examples where, for example, dreams and other thoughts do not come to be. Examples include thinking of a specific individual right before the individual thought of calls on the phone. Human memory has a tendency to remember the instances where the individual thought of calls and forget the instances where the individual calls when not thought of just prior to calling. This is an example of selection bias and skeptics assert that examples of precognition are better explained using psychology and natural human tendencies opposed to supernatural or paranormal powers.[7]
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When one looks into what is actual instinct, one will find that it is just as nifty as what others claim to be phenomenal. Like a real good job safety assessment agent, for example. Can be a very observant person to lurking danger. Like a Group Dynamics Assessment Agent, that can tell a company is going to function well, simply by interactive observations.
Oh, and when you are a person that frequently hangs out with "routine people" it is easy to appear to be a "fortune teller". All one has to do is catch the subtle pending changes ( thru gossip), and add preexisting knowledge of the character that it pertains to.
as true as those things may be it doesn't explain the things that are not routine for the person having the premonition.... Some people have been known to predict things on a larger scale. How does science or skeptics explain that? They can say that gossip is a great source of information but often times it's not always true. A person being perceptive to things about the world is fine but that doesn't mean the person isn't clairvoyant. They are skeptics and that is why they are going to try and prove it wrong anyway they can.
Personally mine come through Dreams when they happen. I don't get them often but when I do it's like Oceanne said in her post... it's a different feeling. But I would call it a sort of psychic ability... A sort, because it isn't something that we have to deal with on a daily basis. Any number of things can trigger the visions. The trigger for it is as unique as the person who has the ability so that one is hard to pin point. Some come from people touching other people some from hearing a certain sound... taste and things like that.
I don't think I answered everything but I hope I was able to help out in some way!
It is pressing the issue. To greater extents. Here I just put something that doesn't say premonitions are right or wrong, just something that appears to be premonitions. So the thing for those that claim such things exist, those cases you mention. Post a link, and present them. Simple solution. Claiming something exist, implies a source to demonstrate.. correct..
Im afraid all I can present on this Dab is my own experience.And I do experience it..in many aspects.I think that is why I look as hard as I do at these things ,because something enables it to happen,and I think it is just a matter of time until we will find it.But with that said,I still dont believe its supernatural.
Oh,and think about this..how many times have you and I been in a convo and Im writing an answer at the same time youre writing the question? I do believe I still have some of those in my mailbox.Plus more than several others.But is that just coincidence? Id actually like to say yep,cause it would be so much easier.But when it happens time and time again? Im not so sure..so,I'll keep looking .
Dutchess,it sounds to me like the same thing happens to you as it does me..it seems to happen when my mind isnt thinking of anything and it is "relaxed".Except when Im talking with someone,then its like you get in tune with them,as stated earlier,answering questions before they are asked or at the same time etc..
I have a tendancy to think its normal with pretty much everyone tho and just part of our make up.
With that said, I will hold to the silence of My Tradition. What is, is a craft. Private Detectives use this craft, they pretense of this craft in occult practice is questionable, and more cases of fraud appear in those clinical/spiritual pretense, one months herald for the "practice"is exposed, and replaced by the next flashy flatterer.
Note this is not limited to things spiritual in nature, stocks are played as well. Sport handicapping... all promising to remove the common instinct of attentiveness to detail, a little trained observation, and a working idea of social dynamics, and replace it with with forces unseen.
And see,I happen to agree,and that is why I get astounded by it everytime it happens..because of its accuracy and timing etc.So,regardless,if its a craft or psy or a symptom of collective conciousness,it makes no difference to me what it turns out to be,it wont make it any less awesome in my eyes,and I wont really stop digging till I ..well....stop.
Where I dont agree though Dab is that everyone uses this under false pretenses,or attributes this mechanism to the paranormal or occult.Granted,many do,and thats asham,because what happens then,is it causes everyone to look at it through a jaundiced eye,deciding then and there its either fake , the person is a crook or just crazy.
Btw,you know what the lateral line is in fish?And how it works?
Hmm, Oceanne and Dabbler you both have brought up some really good points here. Oceanne a couple of posts up you stated how it was being used in a different way and I feel that you are right here. To a certain point the premonitions are taken for advantage and to another point they are made fun of.
Anansi, when your friend tells you the lottery numbers send them my way as well. :-)
If it is the case ,that we can get a glimps of the future of sorts,then that kinda brings into play the torsion fields and Akashic records.Another thing to consider,is DMT and how it works on us.You know,it isnt uncommon for two or more people to have the same hallucination when under the influence of it, or some of the other hallucinogens that might make us sensitive to these Torsion frequencies?..could it be that somehow something triggers the release of this chemical at times and it works that way?Just food for thought.
I think that maybe there are SOME visions of the future, but I think that has to tie in with deja vu.
But I think you could only have them in your dreams.
You could just research them on google!
-Juggalette givin MMFWCL
i think they can happen in a vast many number of ways and anything could trigger one i think even non believers can have them
Juggalita,Might I ask what makes you think they might be tied in with Dejavu ? Because studies show that Dejavu is a signal to the brain that fires twice.And they dont feel the same at all..so just curious.
First, Are they REAALY scences of the future?
I believe they are... I believe they help us know what to expect.
Second, Can they happen in dreams?
That's how they happen for most people that I know have them
Third, Is this a for of Psychic Ability?
I think that everyone has the potentian to be able to have a premonition.
Fourth, how can they be triggered?
I would think that they are triggered by the person being worried about the future or they aren't triggered at all
I don't get them as often as I used to, but still when I get them I have to take a good long look at whats going on around me
I have had Premonitions before. I do believe they are a form of phychic ability, dont know much about them other than that they are glimpses of the future.
lordxofxwar most definiatly they are a form of psychic ability. Some people have never experienced one, and others that have for the first time, it blows their minds.
there are so many people tho
that have supposably had premonitions
arent only certain people born with these abilitys
i dont know one person that hasnt had
some type of deja-vu
isnt that supposably some type of premonition
I think everyone has had it at one time or another..but no,Im pretty sure that Dejavu isnt related and it is just what the studies show,a signal firing twice.
From my own experience,a premonition doesnt feel like dejavu at all.
well what if its more of a
something happening
and in the middle of it happening
your sitting there like omg ive seen this before
n watch everything play out
like you knew it would
cause youve either seen it before
or its a premonition
i wouldnt know o.O
Sure, it's possible to have premonitions. I get minor ones occasionally. They don't come in dreams, or as visions or anything like that. More like a passing thought.
Let me clairify..When I say memory,I mean as something you remeber from a premonition.
Anyway,I copied and pasted this for you..
déjà vu
Déjà vu is French for "already seen." Déjà vu is an uncanny feeling or illusion of having already seen or experienced something that is being experienced for the first time. If we assume that the experience is actually of a remembered event, then déjà vu probably occurs because an original experience was neither fully attended to nor elaborately encoded in memory. If so, then it would seem most likely that the present situation triggers the recollection of a fragment from one's past. The experience may seem uncanny if the memory is so fragmented that no strong connections can be made between the fragment and other memories.
Thus, the feeling that one has been there before is often due to the fact that one has been there before. One has simply forgotten most of the original experience because one was not paying close attention the first time. The original experience may even have occurred only seconds or minutes earlier.
On the other hand, the déjà vu experience may be due to having seen pictures or heard vivid stories many years earlier. The experience may be part of the dim recollections of childhood.
However, it is possible that the déjà vu feeling is triggered by a neurochemical action in the brain that is not connected to any actual experience in the past. One feels strange and identifies the feeling with a memory, even though the experience is completely new.
The term was applied by Emile Boirac (1851-1917), who had strong interests in psychic phenomena. Boirac's term directs our attention to the past. However, a little reflection reveals that what is unique about déjà vu is not something from the past but something in the present, namely, the strange feeling one has. We often have experiences the novelty of which is unclear. In such cases we may have been led to ask such questions as, "Have I read this book before?" "Is this an episode of Inspector Morse I've seen before?" "This place looks familiar; have I been here before?" Yet, these experiences are not accompanied by an uncanny feeling. We may feel a bit confused, but the feeling associated with the déjà vu experience is not one of confusion; it is one of strangeness. There is nothing strange about not remembering whether you've read a book before, especially if you are fifty years old and have read thousands of books over your lifetime. In the déjà vu experience, however, we feel strange because we don't think we should feel familiar with the present perception. That sense of inappropriateness is not present when one is simply unclear whether one has read a book or seen a film before.
Thus, it is possible that the attempt to explain the déjà vu experience in terms of lost memory, past lives, clairvoyance, and so on may be completely misguided. We should be talking about the déjà vu feeling. That feeling may be caused by a brain state, by neurochemical factors during perception that have nothing to do with memory. It is worth noting that the déjà vu feeling is common among psychiatric patients. The déjà vu feeling also frequently precedes temporal lobe epilepsy attacks. When Wilder Penfield did his famous experiment in 1955 in which he electrically stimulated the temporal lobes, he found about 8% of his subjects experienced "memories." He assumed he elicited actual memories. They could well have been hallucinations and the first examples of artificially stimulated déjà vu.
http://skepdic.com/dejavu.html
Actually,here is a better explaination..
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061128140552.htm
awesome post as well, yes there is a difference from premonitions and deja vu. But I get that alot too
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I thought having dreams that came true was normal....... Its happened to me for as long as I can remember...
When I have a Premonitions I feel out of place and time. I remember the dream and I just get an odd feeling from it so I watch and listen to everything very carefully. I pay attention to what people are saying and all because I feel there must be something important here that I need for myself. I can recall entire conversations from Premonitions and know exactly what someone is about to say before they say it and I usually answer questions before someone is done asking them because I can't stand listening to a question I already know is coming.
Yes,the passing thought..
"I thought having dreams that came true was normal....... "
They are, just a little more normal for some than others.
Hmm,Ive never gotten that weird feel as decribed.Actually ,its the opposite,very clear and very distinct.
I used to have premonitions when i was younger and most of the time i wouild just pass them off as normal dreams never telling anyone about them then i just stopped having them so maybe its possible to lose the gift is it is not taken care of properly
i myself have had dreams that lead to things in the future but there were not perfectly clear they were in a sense like a riddle but once the future came to be it all made sense
Premonition is a type of prophecy consisting of an impressionable warning of a future event. The phenomenon is characterized by such sensations as anxiety, uneasiness, a vague feeling of disquiet suggesting impending disaster to actual visual or auditory hallucinations. Premonition is sometimes referred to as a "gut-level" feeling. The sensation tends to occur prior to disasters, accidents, deaths and other traumatic and emotionally charged events.
The sensation of premonition may be considered precognition at times because there is no clear-cut line between them. However, generally premonitions are sense-oriented, dominated by a syndrome of physical uneasiness, depression, or distress that is without discernible source or reason. It is an unexplainable feeling that "something is going to happen." Precognition, on the other hand, is more precise, involving visions or dream of the event that is to occur in the future.
For some investigators premonitions can include actions of patients and individuals in magnetic and mediumistic trances who prophesy that their malady or some terrible event, to them, will occur within a certain period of time, and may subconsciously wish to fulfill that prophecy. It might be question whether the similar phenomena might occur in a veridical dream or hallucination. This is theorized on the conclusion that a post-hypnotic person generally weaves his action into the surrounding circumstances, even though the very moment of its performance may have been fixed months before. Therefore this raises the possibilities that fulfillment of dreams and hallucinations might be suggested through telepathic communication to a person from another agent, which may not be far-fetched or impossible.
Another consideration is coincidence. The dream or hallucination of an event could possible coincide with the incident. Also, it is possible that impressions, whether they remain vague forebodings or are embedded in dreams, must at times be subconscious inferences drawn from an actual, if obscured, perception of existing facts. Such premonitions are by no means to be disregarded. However, frequently premonitions, no matter how impressive, prove to be absolutely groundless, where a ghostly visitant issues the warning.
In 1948, the prominent Soviet psychic Wolf Messing traveled to Ashkhabad to give some demonstrations of his abilities. Prior to his performances as he walked the streets of that city he was seized with a terrible dread and an intense desire to leave as soon as possible. He canceled his performances, the only time he did so in his life, and left. Three days later a massive earthquake leveled Ashkhabad, killing 50,000 people. Messing's premonition saved his life; however, he had no specific forewarning of the earthquake.
On October 21, 1966, twenty-eight adults and 116 children were killed when a landslide of coal waste tumbled down a mountain in Aberfan, Wales, and buried a school. According to three surveys taken afterwards up to two weeks before the disaster about two hundred people experienced both premonitions and precognitions. The premonitions included depression, a feeling that "something bad" was going to happen (some people accurately pinpointed the day), sensations of choking and gasping for breath, uneasiness, and impressions of coal dust, billowing black clouds, and children running and screaming.
Premonitions occurring in a waking state are more predominant that those that occur in dreams because in the latter they are frequently disguised as symbols, and tend to go unnoticed. However, when theses symbols frequently reappear in dreams, the individual may learn to recognize distinguishing symbols or emotional tones.
Premonitions can give early intuitive warnings that occur frequently but are too subtle to register on the conscious mind. Some of these intuitive warnings apparently register on the subconscious and cause the person to unknowingly alter his plans, which some evidence indicates. In the 1960 W. F. Cox examined passenger loads on trains involved in accidents between 1950 and 1955. By comparing the number of passenger on the train the day of the accident to the number of passenger on the same train for the preceding seven days, the preceding fourteenth day, and the twenty-eighth day, he found that on some accident days, but not all, there was a dramatic decrease in passengers. One example was the Chicago & East Illinois Georgian, it just had nine passengers on the accident day of June 15, 1952; whereas five days before it carried a more typical sixty-two passengers. Cox concluded that many of those intending to travel the disaster-bound trains had unconsciously altered their plans or missed the trains by being late.
A the similar or same factor may relate to doomed ships. The Titanic carried only fifty-eight percent of its passenger load on its disastrous maiden voyage when colliding with an iceberg in April 1912. A group of twenty-two stokers were late and the captain declared the ship would sail without them, a fact which may have saved their lives. The psychiatrist Ian Stevenson recorder more than nineteen incidents of premonitions and precognitions concerning the Titanic in England, America, Canada, and Brazil, which occurred within the two weeks prior to the ship's sailing date of April 10. Some cancelled their reservations after dreaming of the ship's doom; others said it was bad luck to sail on the ship's maiden voyage. Some of the survivors said they had felt uneasy but sailed anyway; the later is questionable because some sensation might have been prompted by after the fact thought.
Following the Aberfan disaster, a British Premonition Bureau was established in January 1967 to collect and screen early warnings in an effort to prevent disasters. A year later the Central Premonition Bureau was established in New York for the same purpose. Both bureaus did not progress too far because of low budgets, poor public relations, and much inaccurate information.
The functioning of premonitions is not exactly known, that is, why some people possess them while others do not. One theory is that some people are more open or prone to psychic suggestion. A cause for the diminishing of this psychic ability in people is that a larger portion of the population has become less intuitive. With the advancement of the scientific age people have began to rely less on their sensations; it is just in recent years that science is investigating the importance of human intuition and sensation. A.G.H.
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Sources:
Guiley, Rosemary Ellen. Harper's Encyclopedia of Mystical and Paranormal Experience, New York: HarperCollins, 1991, pp. 465-466
Spence, Lewis, An Encyclopedia of Occultism, New York, Carol Publishing Group Edition, 1996, p. 329
this is what i found on the topic i hope this helps
Excellent listing of accounts. True to the theme, where people on various occasions such as Edgar Casey can foresee positive and negative outcomes in the future,
without knowing the mechanism they use.
This hinders the clarification of the premonitions.
I will try to answer these in order and from personal experience. As for your first question....i would say yes premonitions are real and they have a lot of power.
As for your second question yes they can happen in dreams.
As for your third question i think it is and can be but also it can be intuition.
As for the last question i am not sure how they can be triggered but i would love to know myself i think it has to do with our own since of love and protection.
i used to have premonitions from time to time when i was younger. i was never able to change what i had forseen tho. the dreams would always be about something pretty mundane. id dream about dropping plates or something. id realize it was about to happen just before it did.
if i could have drempt of somthing of consequence it would have been cool...but if it were something that needed changing, and i was unable to do so, i would have eventually needed phychiatric help! lol
premonitions i believe can be triggered by any number of things,i believe that even a thought about something or touching of an object can cause a primonition to occur.
I have met several mediums in liydale that have the gift of touch, it an awesome experience to witness
I live around lilydale, but have never gone. I was always wondering if it was worth stopping by.
Yes it can happen in dreams. Some of mine happen in dreams. Your sub- consious is more powerful.
I have a pretty strong precognitive nature. Mine always come in dreams. I have learned to tell the difference of these from *regular dreams*, and how to avoid/embrace those things I see.
I have an eye for assessment, I can freak people out with it sometimes. I especially like people that I visit, when they have a cluttered house. I can locate objects simply by deductive reasoning. I can also assess the likelihood of an accident happening.
I have had premonitions and I dont enjoy them. I feel helpless. Cause all of my really vivid dreams have come true.
With me, ever since I was a young girl, I would have dreams about something that was going to happen. And it would actually happen & I told my friends about it. They didn't believe me so when I woke up I would write down what my dream was & AFTER it happened I would show the note to them. It used to scare me being able to do this. As I have gotten older I don't see it happening as much.
I have had the experience at times when I have been around my family members and could sense "death" , but at the time I wasn't experienced enough to know what was happening. I would dream about death, and be told later that so and so passed away.....my cousin's baby was about 6 months old, and I told my husband "this baby is not going to live long" and a few months later, the baby passed away.
Premonitions? I believe they happen not only in dreams but can happen when you are fully awake, such as it was in my case.
When my daddy passed away, I was fixing dinner for my family when the phone rang....I said before the phone was handed to me, my daddy has just died. I can always sense now when my daddy is near, as I hear birds chitter chatter, even at night.
dreams that come true could also be seen as a premenition
My thinking on this is I think we all have Premonitions
in some way or another.