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The difference between good and evil is best learned from the force. You know, the light side and the dark side. There are no true solid lines between good and evil. It all depends mainly on self control. Power is the thing that makes the difference. Like they say, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The difference between a Jedi and a Sith is how much self control someone has after obtaining great power. A common misconception is that the Sith are more powerful than the Jedi because of their use of force lightning and the ability to telekineticly choke someone. What many don't know is that the Jedi have the same power. They just refuse to use it being that they are purely offensive powers and to use such power is a pathway that can only lead to the dark side. The same goes with what we call magic. This is why black magic is frowned upon. It's called BLACK magic for a reason. It calls upon forces nobody should ever call upon and it can only be used for selfish and evil purposes. I would really like to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

my opinion is the dark side isn't evil they are just misunderstood I mean they have cookies so they cant be all bad can they ?


As for magik I dont believe in anything called good or dark majik its all in how you use the majiks that defines them. Even the sweetest and nicest of spells could be used against someone else for a bad purpose.Same as a so called"dark majik" could be used out of pure unselfishness for someone else's

However The force does allow us to define what limit and what causes us to stray. I personally think you can have the same amount of power on either side of the force.

Take Yoda, with as strong as he is I highly doubt that was the climax that is the light side of the force.
Where as most believed anakin from episodes 1-3 was the climax which again was wrong. Yes Anakin-Vader was strong however his son was even stronger. If you read up about skywalker in the later series of 7-9 we see how strong he has grown, and if memory serves me right he is strong enough with the force to make mountains topple with his will.So if thats the case and Luke was not a part of the dark side yet had more power then the dark side of the force.Did he not in his own right use his power for semi selfish reasons ? which also shows that neither side is mundane enough to call yourself good or evil. you can be evil one moment but good the next its part of our nature.

In my opinion the forces which lead person to pain, dissatisfaction, anger, sadness, sorrow, suffernig, losses, harm and injury, jealusy etc etc are evil side forces which takes peace harmony and love & happiness and joy away.

I'm a little offend at the remark of the Black Book being Evil.
And the statement suggesting it should be banned and kept from freedom of use.
Unless you personnally have studied such, you shouldn't biastly remark it as evil based on what others have taught you or told you of it.
It is also a way of openly condenming those that utilize it in a constitutionally protected right of religious freedom of choice.
It would be as if I stated the same in reguards to the Holy Bible of Christianaity.
There always is both, always will be both.
What is your purpose of this thread to restart a modern day inquisition against Satanist?????

This is not and will not be a "a modern day inquisition against Satanist". I remind everyone to post without bias toward any other religion or faith. Remember "be excellent" to each other and this discussion will flow just fine.

"The Force" was created by George Lucas while writing the epic story of Star Wars...meaning it DOES NOT exist.

Yes there are evil minded people and good minded people...but the force is just a part of a fantasy world.

true but the concept of the Force that inspired George Lucas was a Yin/Yang tapestry that he saw in china town in San Fransisco. And just because it is based in fiction does not mean that the concept of light vs dark, good vs evil, does not exist. so I think the representation is an accurate one.

I agree the Sith are stronger but only because of the arrogence in their head... Arrogence can be powerful thing... It can also be the death of a Sith lord... Thats is why Jedi are not as powerful... They don't have that arrogence

Uh... What? You lost me at hello. Me thinks the poster is grasping for straws at new conceptual threads to think of. Nice try though.

What is the concept that this thread is going for anywho? A question about the forces of good and evil? As in to battle? Or to use one or the other as desired for the best possible outcome to take effect (Yoda has taught you well) type of thing?

The polarity is just there to discern and experience this passage of what we call life, this would enter in the whole: are we programed to follow as designed or we choose paths, If I can recall we all are brought blank to this world. I perceive that concept as a teaching for oneself in the process of separating and taking choices along the way, both plates served and one selection; then again we could as well enter in the whole" we do not choose our early developmental programers"(parents) which inflict a large influence in our lives for most of the part; so it means we do not choose our beginnings and upbringing impressions, if good would extinguish evil or vise-versa It already be done by now, at least in this physical "rules", both are made for a particular fines if we set this two things in finding the roots of logic in alternative ideas, if we talk in science then it would all be a illusion of chemical BS as if that itself isn't purposely designed.

Now theres some true words to reflect upon!
nice job!
Everyone has both good and evil inside them.It is simply how one percieves an issue.
The "Force" issue is a internal conflict we constantly battle with inside ourselves, there is not one person alive that if "honest" can say they have never thought of, said something or even acted out in an evil manner at one point in time during their existance. But that doesn't make them Evil entirely.

No, you mentioned neither. It is a shame we will defent Satan without an equal time equation for "God." Not really even a part of this thread as I understand it.

I did not say "god vs satan" I said good vs evil as you have in the title of the thread itself. I still say the thread is grasping at straw in order to be "original" in context. Nice try though.

May the force be with you Luke...

Where come the reference of the God and the Satan?

This is the talk of the evil side forces which lead to sad, harm and dissatisfaction, anger, pain, crieth, aches, disability to act as per wishes in the elemental influence...

and good side forces suh as happiness, joy, bliss, helping others, bringing them to club of happiness and joy, raising self intellact to high levels, harmony, love, unity, etc etc. and easy awailability of means of living...

(Well The God is one and evil and goodness both are his feature and features come to the person as per his act of law of karma or wishes (wishes too is the karma or act).

Well if you devote your prayers to satan then he will bless you in the form of satan. My opinion only) but such opinion should not come tothis thread of goodness and evil and goodside forces and evil forces... I seen the movie evildead...

"This is why black magic is frowned upon. It's called BLACK magic for a reason. It calls upon forces nobody should ever call upon and it can only be used for selfish and evil purposes. I would really like to hear everyone's thoughts on this."


Having powers and not using them is an honourable act indeed.. it shows such amazing self-control as well as dignity.. :)
Black magic... Anyone putting spells or mis-using their powers on anyone else would be equivalent to practising black magic.. and that's kinda sad, and worrying.. I have heard stories of people being victims of Black magic, but letting that defeat you would be a failure on one's part...
It's up to one's conscience, honour, and integrity, I guess.. No one on earth is gonna tell you that it's wrong, even if they do, I don't think the practicer of black magic would even listen... So, I guess it's just gotta be instilled in you..
*ponders*

Not to go to far off topic, but I am wondering who coined the term "black magic" and how it actually relates to good vs evil in the eyes of the caster, who uses magic(k) in general for neutral purposes (magic(k) is niether black nor white, the intentions are).

As well, does magic(k) really have any relevancy when it comes to a discussion relating to the light and dark side of the psychie?

The war between Good vs evil has been going for many years. As today, the Vatican have a group of priest who are send all over the world to fight evil incarnation in humans. The forces of evil are winning the war. 3 to 1.

Or so the vatican states, for their own affirmition for being a "true" church of "their lord." They will say anything to gain credibility, or do anything such as sending priests out for that kind of purpose.

On who's authority? *Shrugs* Eh...

I personally don't believe in an absolute good or evil- but in the light and dark sides of human nature. Think of it this way, you could also easily say 'evil is as humans do' but that may come off as a bit narrow-minded, eh?

"evil is as 'humans' do" as apposed to what?

all I have to say is this.
"Light does not always mean good, just as darkness does not always equal evil"

I don't believe theres a clear line between light and dark, at least for me, the two sides coexist within me and influence everything I do

Both is needed for the freewill to take place. So without paths is obvious we would be a designed group of innocent design for a useless experiment, where would be the discerning if there was only a singular side, or at least the growth scale of w.e scale life is measured upon.

Darkness and light does not refer good or evil. yogis of darkness never harm others.

In reference to the star wars posts about Jedi and Sith. Annakin was a powerful Jedi, who went to the darkside to save Padme'. It was love that made him give his allegiance to the darkside. It was love that blinded his honor and purpose. So with that said love could be the evil black magic that scares so many. Love makes good people do stupid things. Remember in the end it was Padme's broken heart that killed her and all the power in the world good or evil could not have helped her. The damage was done, not even the love of her dear Annakin or new born children could comfort or save her. So I guess I am getting at Good magic/power is just as wicked as evil/dark power. If magic is the movement of natural energies to create needed change then all magic could be considered selfish. There is no good or evil, a man can make a heaven of hell or a hell of heaven.

To use another point of view, true good and evil are in the eyes of the beholder. One man's good could be another's evil and so on. There however have been true acts of evil in this world- for example: Hitler and the Nazi party attempting to eliminate Judaism from the face of the earth durnig the Holocaust, or those who have killed dozens if not more before being caught.

Evil is as some himans do- sorry if I confused anyone with the use of that adage.

The point is and always has been, aspects of this discussion are so convoluted, that any ideas or perspectives, popular opinions may make as much sense as all the others because the "forces" are so obscure, that they become translucent and or transparent.

How can one use magic without knowing what they are doing? Then, that would be dabbling, and well, it brings consequences of its own.. If it's bad, u'll know it, if it's good, u'll know it. I guess it's all in the consequences. *shrugs*

the light and the dark.. many have said that it's almost impossible to separate the two, so how can one eliminate the use of magic in a discussion of the light and the dark? Magic is merely a small aspect of this discussion which i tot not many people have touched on.. To be rude has never been an intention of mine... This is a discussion, and I felt that I had something to contribute... The good and bad/light and dark side is inseparable... unless one has reached some sort of higher consciousness to be able to differentiate them... But there are simple things, as a human being, that we are aware of.. Why call it the dark when it's not "dark"? If you are able to label something as such, then you are aware of what you are doing..

*smilez*

the jedi for the most part were neither good or evil, they were in most regards a nutural force, who occasionaly had to basicly defend themselves and through extension of that, others, from the sith, whos drive was motivated from the destruction of the jedi, an example of thier nutrality is the mandorlorian wars, the jedi refused to intervene, and the outter rim would have been destroyed if it was not for reven, who defiied the jedi and fought the mandorlorians, after the war, the jedi classed reven as a traitor and thus starting the jedi civil war.

If I had to pick a side... It would be EVIL!!! Cause there's no limit, no withdrawls, and no one to hold you back... It's unlimited power that expands the more you use it and more was to utilize it!!!

well that's an answer that shows a serious lack of after thought.
when you use a power simply because you can, you then teach others that this is ok to do, and when their ideas on what to do with it conflict, then one of you is likely to pay a heavy toll indeed, if not both of you.....
it's the anarchy argument, advocating complete anarchy means you should be ok with me blowing your head off with a shotgun simply because I felt like it at the time
Having a power does not mean necessarily that it should be used without serious need

Thank you ~Daermon~, you answered the post for me, well done.

Personally I like the shade, I do so enjoy people walking around bumping into things with their eyes closed claiming to "dwell in the dark" though.

Reminds me of what was in the USA Today, about people randomly bumping into things whilst texting. First cars, now sidewalks.. HA!

I'm gonna take a shot at this....

It seems to me that trying to debate good vs. evil is not only murderously repetitious, but also a rote point.

There is a "force" out there..and it's neither good nor evil.

It's the choices that we humans make...
I try to look at it as likes or dislikes...what is good to one, is evil to another and vice versa.

Our choices are what determine the paths that our lives take. I don't believe in an absolute good or evil...it's all about choices...and anything beyond that, such as death by natural causes, natural disasters...those are acts of Nature and aren't bound by any human notion of good or evil...it's just the natural order of things.

Remember...we create our own happiness or unhappiness by how we choose to react to what is dealt to us.

*smiles*

i heard george lucas got the idea of the force from the Vril society who are very reall.
i dislike the jedi,they suppress individuality.the sith do as well.their differences are largely propaganda which they came to believe in.

i do not know star wars but i know my own opinion on good and evil.

as for the magick-related comment i saw above...
that is why it's called so. "white" and "black" magick
what you do with it, and what it is, defines it yes.
as for white magick, the only way it would be used for evil is no way. it wouldn't be white magick then.

as i learned, say you wanted your grandmother to heal from an injury. you send some healing her way and she gets too cocky. she ended up falling again or something, being careless. however, this is referred to as "grey" where it could go either way. because she did not know and even if she did she may not have believed the magick worked, so it is affecting her will.
so something "bad" happens to her.

black magick on the other hand, is only for evil. there is no good, even if it's for unselfish reasons. if it does harm to another or manipulates their free will it is black, and it is evil. there is no good, no matter what the intention, to use black magick.

white is the only "good" here and grey as i said is, well it's a grey area no one knows how it will go.

there are no lines between good and evil, however, one can judge for themselves by asking what it does, how if effects others and yourself, and what is the reason.

if no one is harmed including yourself, it helps other people, and it's for a good cause that will benefit not just you, that is white.

if it does harm to another or manipulates them, it could effect them good or badly, and the reason is good intention, it is grey.

if it does harm to another, for revenge or selfish reason, or even unselfish reason, it completely manipulates them, only effect them poorly, for the "benefit" of others this is black magick.

Evil is a point of vew that is how i see it, not that being stated let us try again. When ppl talk about blac or other magic i want to lmao! T he use of magic has two kee points energy and intent, the energy will know and feal your true intent in other words you could be asked to do a healing rite or spell and if your mind or heart is not clear and you have a dislike for the person what you sent out to "heal" may backfier and harm so again energy and intent mus be looked at befor doing any magic!

Good vs Evil. Hmm..

Choice A or B.

It's a matter of what suits your needs, isn't it?

good or evil is depection of acts in which others view it to be

Good versus evil, a great concept, but events in history makes us wonder what is good and what is evil.

During the Spanish conquest in Cuba, Puerto Rico, the natives were being made to work by their conqueros, the work was hard and cruel, many of the natives were dying, a kindly priest, Father De Las Casas championed their cause, defended them, knowing that their labor would not be easily surrendered by the Spaniards came up with a pla to save his beloved "indians" he sugested that slaves be brought from Africa to the "New World", and thus was evil created out of good.

I would say that good is anything that is positive, like to do good, and evil would be something or an act that is negitive, like murder, cruelty, and to do harm. The dark forces would be the mentality of something that is naughty, something that enjoys taunting, that makes peoples lifes a misery, like the mentality of a demon.

The good forces would be higher and superior then the dark forces something like a arch angel, that has the mentality of doing good and positive things, like they can be good guides, very helpful and bring happiness into peoples lives.

magic is only decided by the preciever. Yes there are dark and light but you have to look deep within it to see whether its causing harm or not.

Good versus Evil. I have found in my limited time studying the occult amongst others that understanding both are essential. I am not sure at this point in my existence where I lie. I have found both to be interesting. I think the good versus evil philosophy seems to be embedded in all religious sects and lifestyles. I agree with others when they speak of the Force. I certainly have enjoyed reading post from other members. I find them to be most beneficial.

The fight between those two has been going on for a long time. Did you hear about the girl (15 yrs old) that was rape, bit-up and left for dead in Richmond a week ago, by 6 Gang members, while a group of 12 onlookers just stay there and did nothing. Now, you may be asking what my comment have to do with evil and good. Nobody can tell me that those perpetrator are in the side of good. The heart of many young people has been stolen by demons who are winning against good. My opinion.

my comment to this subject is very simple- no analogs or professional opinons- one would not exsist without the other. the kinda balance eachother out-or watever...

The force of nature is depicted as nuetral, yet how we use or percieve its force is the term humans give good or evil

its all how u look at the meaning, ones evil is anothers good deed depending on your view

.. one man's evil is anothe man's good.. appaling.
I'm incredullous that someone can think that.

But, as to the question: the force, is the One and we are a part of the part. The choice to be good or evil is ours.. not complicated, is it?