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Did anyone watch the 20/20 Friday night with the story about vampires? If so what are your thoughts about what they said?

Here is some of the things discussed:

1. The vampires interviewed were mostly in New Orleans. The group they interviewed says they all drink human blood. They demonstrated how they fed; one by drawing blood with a needle and putting it in a glass to drink, and another by actually piercing the back of a donor with a surgical knife. And of course the medical consequences of those was discussed as well.

2. Empath/Emotional and Psi..... both discussed and both showed how they feed. Some by touching people, some by being in the same room with a group of people and some by sitting with one individual and drawing energy from the donor either by touching them or just being near them.

What are your thoughts on this story? Was it portrayed accurately in your opinion? Do you think the people interviewed were actually telling the truth about how they feed - or were they doing it for media attention? Any and all thoughts and comments are welcome.

*Chuckles* my thoughts can be read inside my B.S. Report journal section . I cannot post them here as they are very candid (too many cuss words).

As well, all of it is for media attention. I know the individuals in the interview on a personal basis and I can honestly say that what ever spews out of their mouths can be taken with a grain of salt.

I was informed of the 20/20 interview and was asked to attend it, but declined after hearing about a blood letting demonstration. Quite obviously, it turned out to be a sham in the long run.

Of course, the interview was only with one of the individuals and not the lot of them, I wonder why... In any case, I think they just wanted themselves filmed for the sake of "New Orleans vamp"y"res" never left. The council itself is a sham, with little to no following.

Again kids, don't believe everything that you see when it comes to media involvement. That is unless you want to see some individuals that celebrate the 2 tooth minimum required to walk into a bar (Inside joke from New Orleans).

The whole thing about feeding off of the energy of others while holding hands on a bench in Jackson Square that was represented in the video, was a sham as well. It was placed there for the purpose of showing off. Nothing more, nothing less. Actual vampires never do this in a public environment. PERIOD! Get over yourselves already. Your making a fool and mockery of the community.

I just read your journal SS and I agree with you on all counts. I found that one lady who said vampires need to pay rent too, to be really fake. She didn't look well at all. This was in my opinion a very dumb way to portray this.

I knew someone in Virginia many years ago who ended up on a show called "Real Stories of the Highway Patrol".

He was crossing the 664 bridge tunnel between Suffolk & Newport News when he was pulled over for what should have been a minor traffic infraction. As the cameras rolled...the cops found a large collection of White Wolf gaming books in his car...& next thing he knew...he was in a squad car being asked if he was a Vampire.

It all got out of hand...White Wolf sued the show...the show went off the air...& my frien d found mention of the incident in "Clanbook Nosferatu"when it came out. "Will the Virginia driver who confronted officer 666 of the VA State Police please contact..."...something like that.

Of course he contacted White Wolf...& then toured with them for at least a year as the living vampire.

Sometimes the media & law enforcement create drama...like what happened in VA back in the day.

In some cases though...like the recent news program...people want attention & will do anything for it. Going on 20/20 & talking about your blood drinking habbits is pretty juvenile.

Thank you, SoulShroude, for being ballsy enough to just tell it like it is. Your journal entry (see the link in his entry) as well as your on-point remarks throughout, both the entry and this post, were dead-on accurate and pulled no punches. Excellent job!


- Upir'

I remember when all the taping was going on for these interviews, and knowing the details of what they were going to be covering...I knew it would be ridiculous but REALLY??? Attention whores all of them, and this I can say because I know the NOLA ones personally. The whole thng is an embarressment to NOLA. Gee, nice representatives of our city...

Never saw it, and I wouldnt even turn it on..Its just silly..

I saw that last night. Totally bogus. The psi vamps didn't look like they were even doing anything. I would think the donor would feel a loss of energy, weaken a bit...but apparently not. They all looked unhealthy!

Yes i watched the videos and personally I do not see anything by these people that would convince me they are vampires. I think they just want the attention and the show idiots gave it to them.

They said the same kinds of things, using the same words, as I've read dozens of times in these forums. It's not clear to me what is so objectionable.

Is it that the veil of secrecy has been dropped?

So it is ok to avow one is "vampire", but not to openly
practice "vampirism"?

The whole piece is a plug for their Spiritualist Shoppe.

I didn't see the program, only the bit on youtube and Soulshroude's journal, and what is said here. There's always ongoing discussion on vr of vampires and vampyres and the need for energy either from blood, sex, psychic energy. People are pro or con on whether there are real vampires, what they should call themselves, if there is a choice in the matter (biologic, genetic, rp, nutz), how best to go about getting what you need. To me this show is just another version of the same discussion. To deny that seems not only elitist, but petty. The people in the program may have been vendidos (sell outs), liars, toothless role players, but what was said (from the little that I viewed) was the tv/fake news abbreviated version of the culture as I've read it here.

Didn't see it, but from what I've read on it, I can't say for sure what to think. On one hand I agree with bloodmother in that it's pretty much the same discussions as on here. On the other hand they should have made a test for the psi vamps. One example is on Ghost Hunters they had a psychic come into an interview and, using a thermal cam, watched him pull energy from the guy interviewing him.

I agree with SeraConner there. They should have shown something more tangible than just touching hands. Anyone can touch hands and get feelings from someone. It's human nature for one. Some people are just more highly emotionally in tune with people than others. It doesn't mean they are "feeding" or an actual vampire.

Any person that is on the path of Vampirism, never will be interview in any show, just for the fame or for the money. Those people did it to get credential from the public. My opinion.

So, here at VR individuals do it for site noterity.

Is it your opinion that anything they presented has not been stated here?

Vampire Rave is a Web site, which contained all kind of people, probably including people like those in the show. Yes, they drink blood, they get energy from others, but to go national, for me, is just looking for fame. Any person can get a reporter and tell him or her, "I am a vampire, I dink blood, and if you get closer, I will get energy from you". like I said, is just my opinion. Probably, nobody agree with me, but, I still believe that the show was created for rating.

So how would those that profess to be vampires on VR differ?

yes how would the vampires on VR differ from what was on 20/20? I know many practice the lifestyle, yet, would you really want to just do a show as they did, which was not very good info in my opinion for the Vampire community.

Why go puplic when Society has hard enough time handling the whole movies and myths that are out there. Just something I would think people want to have as a private life/lifestyle. Just my thought is all.

Anyone can touch hands and get feelings from someone. It's human nature for one. Some people are just more highly emotionally in tune with people than others. It doesn't mean they are "feeding" or an actual vampire.

Yet I am not a Vampire just a mere human who enjoys all things of the dark side, hence why I am here on VR. I can actually enjoy the people of this site/ community and share and discuss same interests.

I have a suspicion that those who want to have an aire of mystery are the ones most irked by such an open presentation of their practice..

Though I continue to be perplexed as to why those who profess to be vampires have nothing to bring to the table.. except for repeated professions of their "vampire conviction". One may look down on these folk, but they are out front with their activities.

I find that those who whine here about "mundanes" taking over the site, and vampires here getting a raw deal.. etc.. is more a matter of those who seek to be "vampires" are out of steam.. how many times can "No one understands us." "Role players annoy us."
be rephrased?

Even back when those who identified as vampires had thread domination they split hairs over technicalities.. while 'mundanes" may not understand vampires.. i suspect "vampires" do not either, and those who do cannot articulate it, or are not articulating it to avoid critique, critique not only from "mundanes", but from "vampires" as well. The whole community obviously throws their own under busses rather easy.. This is evident in Journals here on the Rave.

Someone needs to get a Pulitzer for this; it's about time the mundanes were made aware of our leaks, and that this kind of behavior only makes us more normal.

Myself I was dissappointed that it was only about the last 15mins of the show...i mean how much information do you think they really can show you in video edited down to 15mins..20/20 just showed the basics with people who were willing to be on tv...yes its shameless self promotion, but thats part of the american dream to be rich and have your 15mins of fame...and the one guy wasnt the only interviewed, there was also the homicide detective who said he was a lifestyler...and it was okay, to each there own and on a site where people always want respects for "their own" beliefs, seems hypocritical to bash others for theres because they were not scared to make it public no matter what others thought of them.

Reading through all of the replies and journal entries on this,it makes me wonder if there can even be anyone who might be a satisfactory spokesman for Vampires.Personally,I see so much resentment,Im not so sure there could be .
Shame really.

Everyone says "I am a vampire, a real life vampire"

They are always inclined to point out that Hollywood is so not them..

So why do they bulk at presenting their ammended
definition? Some would have you believe they do so to avoid other "wanna bes" from phishing their critiria.

Yet by simply not saying anything of substance, and repeatedly using venues open to them to bash.. what is not vampire.. roleplayers, and harsh on "mundanes".. it just gets convaluted after awhile. Then they blame the forum for not "red carpeting" for them.

Interesting Dab.And really, until the criteria of what a Vampire is ,is established and Vampires are proven real,then there is really no sense in calling anyone any of those names.
So maby the Vampire nations should pick a spokesperson or something.

Don't you think the Nations would have done that by now, after 15 or so years of comradery? I mean hell, if they cannot get their crap together after 15 years and still be at one another throats, then I would not expect them to form any sort of ambassadorship; one speaks for the whole, any time soon.

Well you know much more than I on that SS. and I do tend to agree.But how could they even elect anybody,even if they didnt bicker and fight all the time.When no one seems to really know what a vampire truely is?So what happens is one person's idea of being a real Vampire conflicts with another..and so on and so on...Why?
Because no one can come up with any tangible proof as to what they really are.

I agree on the tangibile proof to the table comment, even after a few books by Sanguinarious, Sebastian, Bellanger and a couple of others... They still have yet to have any legitimate heads as ambassadors aside from Bellanger and heaven forbit "Don Henrie".

There are two seperate communities when it comes to the vampire. Those that celebrate Halo's, and the other that couldn't care less about being policed with that crap. One spells it with a "y" and the other with the "i". Can you guess which one is which?

Anywho... Since there always seems to be instigations when someone wants to bring something new to the table, even if they wish to establish a better heirarchy intended as a hostile take over throughout the community, on the whole no one really cares about the political endeavors save for those who think they have something to gain by creating "power plays" where none are nessessary.

The problem with the politics, is that they never mesh well since most of the old shoolers do not like change. Don't fix it, if it is not broken. Problem is, most of the newer generation seem to think that there is something wrong inside the community when nothing is. They tend to think that they are in need of protection when no one is out to harm them.

It is funny though how the media never asks about the political side of the community when involved with interviews. They seem to always leave this out. Hell, I even mentioned the political side in my interview but they cut it. Very interesting. Why are so many afraid to share their thoughts on the politics? Mayhaps those who are not in "power" as old school elders want to scare the crap out of those that are more susceptible to it.

Which is the main thing wrong with the community and has been for the last decade or so. Power tripping by those that were never part of the original community to begin with. Which is why the old schoolers are just watching now-a-days.

One does not gain respect by threats, but by helping those that need it. Mentorship, not policing. I just wish people of the community would start understanding this instead of saying there is something wrong with the community instead of not trying to fix that "something wrong" on their own. That is where the respect is earned.

But hey, what do I know? HA!

Here is my input and opinion on the entire situation.

1. It doesn't bother me either way what these people said on television. No matter what I do or do not profess to be (mind you Ive not claimed anything) because at the end of the day, I myself know the truth of who I am. People will always assume as they wish and that is their right. It doesn't bother me if people do or do not believe me when I speak so long as I know I am being truthful. Peoples opinions really don't matter.

2. It has been said over and over and over again if a person on this site is a real vampire why not prove themselves... That has yet to prove productive so I'm yet to understand why the rant still continues. If someone wishes to make a person believe they will and if they don't then they wont. It is really a dead argument in my mind. Either believe or don't but for sanity's sake why keep on making those of us who enjoy reading the forums have to see the same argument over and over and over again; it becomes quite mundane and uninspiring. Besides the majority of those that want proof are so skeptic to EVERYTHING that even if a person were to come to their home introduce themselves and bite you drawing all blood from you and even turn you into a vampire somehow you would still be a skeptic and a non believer, so there is really no point. If you don't believe then thats fine you have that right, but live and let live.

As I said in the beginning.... its just my opinion and my thoughts on the entire situation. Agree or don't. That's fine, but don't attack me for my opinion as it will get you nowhere with me especially since Ive named no one specific and only the general public as a whole. :)

I am not entirely sure I agree with the need for tangable proof. Medicine did not have a lot of tangable proof to become credable... they formed their own society and legitimized themselves... so did actors, pharmacists, spiritualist, Christians, Doms, and a plethora of others.

It is more common for a group to determine their own self worth that it is for an outside source to do it for them. The witches hammer was highly successful, and suposedly, VR as a resource site could do the same, but it would be unusual, and challengeable if the vampires ever aquired enough credability to define themselves.

My Thoughts on this thread almost seem off topic considering a video clip is the basis of this discussion. This thread has mutated into a monster of arguing about whether people that say they are vampires are or not which has nothing to really do with the video directly. This all makes me question how this kind of argument can even be between VAMPIRE rave members. Why if you personally don't have any interest or belief or wish for the existence of vampires or the idea or myth or reality of vampires, ... why would you spend a lot of time here?, so much time in fact that in some cases to be the highest ranking possible? Did some of the people that are members here say "hey lemme "google" Vampires! I HATE people that like or believe in vampires! YAY a forum about Vampyres lets make fun of them or call them a poser if they call them selves a Vampyre!"

That seems childish, Stupid, and a waste of time to me.

From what i can see from the video clip link i found of it and what i remember of a previous very similar video about this exact same subject.. the people in theses videos seem very similar to people on this site they don't all seem to be people that volunteered to be in this they may have been sought out for the video at least somewhat... they don't seem insane to me at all and their beliefs are exactly that... beliefs, why bash them?

good point!! if people here are so annoyed with vampires and peoples beliefs dealing with them. . .leave. . .dont come to a vampire site to bash people opinions on vampires. . .this site people come to because they can feel comfortable with there darker nature....vampires, witches, christians, etc. . .if you dont like others beliefs goto a site that holds yours

Wow, all this anger toward the "bashers". Talk about standing up for the little man. But, why praytell would one stand up for someone that doesn't even understand themselves in that they would stereotype themselves into several variations of the same category?

I stand up for what I believe in and would bash those who would try to say that they are what I represent just to try and make a name for themselves, which was not the way of the community.

If you do not like the politics, do not post about it. That is plain and simple. Since that is all this is, sematic arguements about the community politics in the long run. Yes, feeding is a part of the politics of the community since they cannot all come to terms that vampirism is the "need to feed" and not to have a set name for which ever way they claim to "feed."

I do appreciate those that would fight the good fight and stand up for the little man, but I do not see any of those that do claim the representation aside from myself, standing up for themselves in conjecture or arguement saying that they are the way they are for their own reasons and are tired of the ridicule.

Who gives a bloody hell what anyone thinks about anyone else. The video was just a bit irritating because it seemed like a mockery of the way the vampire feeds. The blokes tried to demonstrate and failed hardcore in the process in my opinion. Not that it is ANYONES business how anyone else "feeds."

Seems as though it has turned into something childish when it comes to the concept of the vampire if anything. I have never seen grown adults act in this fashion over something that they claim not exist. Even if one brought tangable evidence to the table, who is to say that the arguement will not continue on a differant level? Like for example, if one were to show evidence of longevity after a blood let, someone may agree with it, but add to the arguement by stating that just because it adds to the longevity does not mean that they are "allergic to the sun" or some nonesense. See what I mean? Who gives a rats *ss what attributes any one has... It is NOT a game, people.

I do agree to just let them live their lives, to make fool of themselves on the national level. But it is a bit insulting to those that are the same but are "afraid" to show it in public because of behavior examples like the video.

Nothing like showboating for the sake of what? Media exposure to understand the vampire better? More like a way to show how not to go about doing things.

BAH! Argue all you like. It still won't change the fact that the video was a poor reprentaton and a complete mockery of what the community was in the beginning. it lacked alot of class. Enough politicing for me.

vxVamp,

Are you oblivious to the in fighting of those who profess to be vampire? the constant use of the term, "Wanna-bes", and "roleplayers"?

Is it your attempt to overshadow the literary tradition of vampires? Is it your opinion that anyone with an intrest in vampire lore is not worthy of this site?

Why not be proactive, and start a thread that presents your criteria for vampires, along with the sources you anchor your convictions to?

The whole undermining behaviour is rather transparent.

Kglitterous has a good point, there are several conditions in medicine, both physical and mental in nature, that have no definite proof but are still held as truth. ADD for example is widely accepted and treated, yet no proof for it other than "my kid can't pay attention". And the only proof, so far that I've seen in studies, that someone as AIDS is that their T-cell count gets low and those they sleep with get the same. No physical proof but both are there and are very real.

Dabbler you make a very good point as always.

I mean just what do they think is needed to be apart of this site and the convictions of being a vampire.. everyone has their own idea, or maybe it is a conviction , yet I do not see anyone owning up to any of either of these. I mean yes people say that they are *a vampire* yet, where is the proof or the truth of their own convictions.

To me this is the perfect sightfor anyone whom is interested or even live the lifestyle of being a vampire. I mean I am a medical professional and the whole idea of sharing blood scares me LOl Maybe I need to get out of the Lab more. the ones who profess all these things on the show... where is the proof or reasoning behind it.

Unfortunately some things can only be proven through experiences. You can ask everyone for proof on things all you want and not get any, and even if you do get proof you can easily discard it. But once you experience it for yourself, you'll find all the proof you'll ever need. Well that's how it was for me anyway. Do I wish there was a way to physically prove it? Sometimes, but not really. I know what I am and that's good enough for me :)

I t was just an excusses for some wannabes to get some attetion. We that live the lifestyle hide it it not for the public to know.
Next the'll interview vampire hunters that destroy the evil vampire. We have to hold to our principles of silence and privacy.

wel you both are right and I do understand that many that live the lifestyle and do keep it under wraps, for the mere reason of society being rude and ignorant to the fact that it is a different lifestyle that is not of the Norm, you could say. I say hey everyone should live how they feel comfortable.

there are so many different lifestyles as stated on my profile just many do not want to admit it or agree with it if it is not what they consider the norm. That is very sad to say the least.

I think that whatever these people could have said, the rest would still doubt.

Doubt is always there.

Not at all, If you reread what I posted, i know it was kind of jabbered. I was trying to say that if you are here you should have some kind of interest in vampires, and because you do you shouldn't dislike fellow vampire fans based on the way they choose to show it, the life style they base around them, their beliefs about them and so forth.

So i support people that think vampires are a fantasy just as much as i support people that believe they are a vampire.

I do not support bashing from either party.

Well said Vx. That was the basic principle of what I said as well. The arguing and bickering over such a petty thing is just absolutely appalling to me. It makes it where it is no fun to post in the forums, because you know your views will just be bashed anyways.

Now I can clearly see vvSoulshroudevv point on this subject as he is a person who lives the life. It could be frustrating if people do it only for attention, but even if they don't do things just the same way I personally wouldn't be able to bash them for their way of belief simply because it were different so long as they weren't just attention seekers.

I was referring to those that simply bash to bash. Simply to make themselves argumentative even though they know that no one is going to play to their request of proof whether they can or not. It seems non productive is my point. What irks me the most about it is that some people here act so very rude and pompous toward others just because they don't believe the same way. I just don't understand how someone who is interested but so very skeptical of something can bash someone for believing in something and refuse to believe that they themselves could be very wrong, just as they accuse others of being. It makes me want to turn to those individuals, and simply say..... you want proof that it exists... well I want you to give me proof that it doesn't. It's a never endless battle there, because there is no way that they could give me concrete evidence at that point that proves 100% that it doesn't exist.... and then... if they were capable, why would they be here except to cause drama and upset people. I just have a distaste for people who cant fathom they may be wrong, that cant accept anothers views although different from their own. Not having to believe them, but accept that someone believes something other than what they themselves believe.

To go quite along with vvSoulshroudevv I personally don't think a person who is a TRUE Vampire in whatever way they are would come forth and bring on proof to anyone as they themselves know the truth, do not need approval, and perhaps feel it none of anyone elses business. It sounds like the community on a whole have certain guidelines to be met. I will honestly say I do not know anything about this so I could be misunderstanding myself here, but at least I'm willing to admit that fact.

Now Ive not mentioned any names that I am referring to as far as people that irk me, nor shall I. If you feel I am pin pointing you... then perhaps you are pin pointing yourself. I just wish, that people could play nice in the forums, and agree to coexist with one another and go on sharing stories, information, experiences. It would just make it so much more fun to post and I think more people would post. It's fine to not agree with someone and to have different views and even debates as they are healthy and keep good conversation, but there is just no need in rudeness when doing so.....

The idea that skeptics all want "proof" is overstated, I would settle for a summary of what a person who identifies as a vampire bases their conviction on, (note I state conviction) not belief. If it is the intent of those who profess to be fvampires to convince people that they are what they say.. would it not suit them to present a summary. Rather then overstating, and restating what is not vampire.. as if everything that currently is databased about vampires is worthless, and needs to make way for the "truth". Here at VR, is your
chance to build the sources to presnt an ammendment
to the select masses, of what you are convinced, .. but are you convinced by something that is compelling to others?

Cursed I read your post in another thread, an example of discloser.. thank you..

Thanks. At least now it is more clear as to what it is you are looking for. Perhaps it is unclear to most what exactly people ask for when they state they want proof, or an explanation.

When evidence is not feasible, a summary suffices.

I would note that to request evidence that something does not exist, is a fallacy of logic.. a double negative.

Summaries are weighed upon their merit, case by case.

Cyncism, and skeptism are two different monkeys.

A skeptic is open to case study, a cynic is more "Blah.. your full of crap.."

It comes down to how compelling the presentation.. testimony.. etc.. weighs.

You even find those who subscribe to vampires existing, that would scrutinize the declarations of others. So indeed to overlook that is an undoing of those who seek to convince others of their personal convictions..

I say more power to them. They had the nerve to get on national television and show the world how they live their life. Why must they keep secret what others so openly talk about online. The world will ridicule or embrace them.
Now how true of a representation they showed I can't say. I don't live the lifestyle. I do think it would have been more interesting to have seen a more diverse panel though.

You know Danzig,I think I would have to agree with you on that.Even though I know many might not like the fact that they went on tv about it or feel they dont represent the Vampires well.No one else seems to be willing ,so why not them?But as was stated above,I would like to see a little more on the politics of it all.

I would be curious to know how they were chosen instead of someone from say Seattle or even Boise, Idaho.

I am curious also.Even Don Henri..how was he chosen?Did they write in? or where they chosen by the producers? Who knows..

I was dieturbed by the peice. Mostly I think it was intented as a shock peice like so many 'real life vampire' human interest stories are. They picked people who for the most part were a little out there the kind you could look at and think they were a little odd. I would have been far more impressed if they'd acually shown the detective, a normal person working a 9 to 5 that share the same life style as the more extreamest like who they featured. Don't get me wrong there nothing wrong with who they did feature but it just makes it harder for more average people like the detective to be exepted because the media flock twords the very extreams of the sub culture. As a whole I though it was insulting to cast the sub culture in this mocking light that made other people think of them and some of us as freaks.

You hit upon a valid point. I think by showcasing those who represent the extreme in the lifestyle as opposed to more moderate average looking practioners it would have more shock value then a learning value. Which is what the producers of the show may have been after.

The intent of the vampire community is so vague. What is the desire to profess to be vampires, yet to fall short of summarizing their ideals?

All I see is people reacting to what they deem not to be vampire. While expecting society to simply set aside the Lore, and fiction that has been much more evident then any vague interpretations they offer. surly if their is some referenable source that supports one ideal over another then it would have been showcased in s documentary type show.

Are there no history educated people among those of the vampire comminity. Is better PR needed?

Maybe the VC as a majority wants people to not believe they are real? Just a thought but I know that on here I can be open about what I am, but I still prefer the world to think we don't exist. It's just safer that way. Think of the fanatics that may outright attack if they knew for a fact we were real. And don't think it wouldn't happen because it would. It already happens in rare cases. I spent a lot of time thinking and I believe this may be why no real effort has been made to show we exist and why shows like this starts an uproar.

Hmmm,it really seems to me that Vampires want to be validated.As do all of us .But again,that is almost impossible to do at this point as far as Vampires.
A good point was brought up though as far as showcasing those who are perhaps considered the extreme.
Shock value.Yep,everyone is going to ride that horse on this due to all the Vampire hype these days.

Want to refer to my post again, doubting does not mean to bash.

I doubt many things, I don't bash for that.

I have turned down an interview with an agent for the BBC and with-held a book.

HENCE MY POLL-SHOULD WE COME OUT OF THE CLOSET?

I think the public are ready for us, we are more popular than ever and many feel sorry for us.

However, prior to doing so we should have a protective"arm" in place, just in case the 17th century religous Zealots start burning witches again.Grinz.TFS.

No,you certainly dont DNG,and I couldnt agree more about doubt.But I have seen a few here who have done it.Perhaps it is just an effect of realizing they might not be a Vampire at all.I dont know if I speak for others or not,but I want to believe in some of these things..I do believe in some.But when you do the research,and find something isnt what you had hoped,it can be rather dissapointing.

And maybe what happened with the peeps who produced that piece,they couldnt find any good examples of the Vampire so they featured who they could find.

Yes Oceanne I doubt many things, hope in others, believe in possibilities but I am not 100% certain of many things, not related to these things only, even research in books and internet do not make me 100% sure because for me anyone can write anything, especially on the net, I can write I am the reincarnation of Cleopatra for example.

And many do! I kid you not,it seems that everyone who has found their past lives have all been someone famous or royal in history.What is wrong with being a common smuck?
Anyway,until something tangible is found that makes a peep different than all others,and makes them a Vampire,we will just keep seeing this same thing,over...and over...and over.

Yeah agree, I just think it's 'normal' to doubt after all I guess everyone have doubts in their lifes, you can never be certain of anything.

However I can undertand the annoyance some might experience for not being believed.

For example I had paranormal experieces and I am aware not everyone will believe me but what can I do?

I can't have proofs because I never recorded an EVP or caught anything on camera, was too scared to do so, and still there would be people to doubt even with these proofs.

All I have is just my words and memories.

i personally dislike all of media, they are always going for rating and rarely do they get to the heart of the story or what it should say to the world.

i dont know the persons involved in this so i cant say more then from what i say they are the weird ones i try to avoid at all costs in the scene.

as for the need for blood claimed of sangs, i need it more then they ever would give that im not a vegitarian by choice and am constantly fighting iron based anemia. though its true that blood doesnt give you anything more then what was in the blood to begin with, meaning the proteins, chemicals and iron in it.

but this is also yet another case of labels gone wild forgive my cynisism

I don't agree with exploiting the real vampyre culture on TV, real vampyres I don't think would do this, so I didn't watch the story. I feel vampyres who do this, lose the respect of other vampyres.

But who is to say what the real vampire culture is?

That's not what my response was in reference to. I was giving my thoughts on the story. I don't believe in the glorifying of the culture in that way. Also I do not believe any real vampyres would do so, out of respect for the sanctity of their culture.

Then do you believe that because they shared their story that they are not real vampires?
If so why must real vampires stay a secret?

They are exploiting the culture, it's my opinion you don't have to agree. This thread is to express ones opinion of what they did and so I am doing just that. I am saying I believe real vampyres wouldn't go around glorifying and exploiting their culture on TV to everyone. They would wish to keep the sanctity of it.

I only asked why is that your belief. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with your belief. Granted I don't share it. What is the purpose of posting a belief if you won't explain why you have it?

Why do I have to explain? I shouldn't have to unless I choose to. It's my choice, and besides in this case theirs nothing to explain. I don't believe real vampyres would engage in exploitation of their own culture on a medium such as TV. That's it, case closed.

My word, are you people still standing up for those degenerates in the interview? Give it a rest already. They did it for the sensationalism and for the fact that they were "on t.v." Yay for them, let them be already.

Why not have a debate as to why they decided to hold their hands in public for some sort of "energy transfer" rather then in some other, more private atmosphere. Or something along those lines, instead of calling into question of what a real vampiric community should be, is, or needs to represent.

Why always talk about the politics?

Cause they wanted to exploit their lifestyle and sensationalize it for their own person gains and fame. That's one of the many reason, why what they did was wrong in the first place.

*personal*

Yes, ~Sang~. We have already established this, which is why I asked why are we not discussing what should have been done as apposed to repeating the technicalities that had been done?

People from many walks of life exploit themselves every day to gain fame. There is nothing new about it. That is what reality television is all about. Modern society as a whole loves it.
I can understand your dislike for what they did. I would think that given the chance to exploit myself for fifteen minutes of fame I would not. But because they deemed fit to do so doesn't mean they are not real vampires. It merely makes them attention seekers.

Now you are discussing two entirely differant scenerio's. One is the scenerio of why be put on a televised interview claiming to be vampire and make a fool of yourself, and the other is why be an attention seeker just for saying that you had your 15 minutes of fame and why choose the vampire classification to do so?

The biggest opposition to the "vampire' idealism, is in fact from their own ranks.

It is not the intent of skeptics to convince "vampire idealist" they are wrong, it is simply to clarify why the ideals of "vampires" are not worth subscribing to.

Well I don't agree with what they did and didn't watch the show and had no interest in watching it because I do not agree with why they decided to exploit themselves as they did for personal gain.

I was speaking to the statement that they not be considered real vampires because they exploited themselves on television. The opinion that they exploited themselves would make them attention seekers. It has no bearing as to whether they are in fact real vampires.
I can agree with the dislike of attention seekers but can't see where the idea comes from that because they chose to seek attention it means their claim is false.

To answer your unasked quesiton ~Dab~, the supposed council that was in the interview known as "NOVA" or New Orleans Vampire Alliance, is not a sanctioned, approved nor openly respected or known group of individuals throughout the vampire community. They recently came into being earlier last December, I know this because I was part of it before I stepped back from it because of what I was seeing within 3 months time and had witnessed. I did not, and still do not agree with anything they either stand for or represent.

If they are sanctioned, approved, etc. Then by whose authority? Self entitlement does not make a kingdom.

*chuckles* NOVA is a sham. Many a 'council meeting" I've stumbled upon and from my observations of this group of individuals...all each was missing was their White Wolf decks, or whatever. In my oppinion the only reason these , I'll be nice here, people were asked to be a part of the taping is because they are residents of New Orleans. A city that has developed a rich "vampire" culture due to authors such as anne rice, poppy z-brite and charlene harris

And now for the audiences amusement and entertainment, the 20/20 interviews from via youtube:



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wowo, that's interesting material. thanks for sharing it!

i didn't watch it!

Closing this. Why it was brought up from the back I have no idea.