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As a Wiccan, I am a firm believer in having a respect for life and that all lives are precious.

I had a conversation going on my Facebook status about how I was trying to kill a fly that had made it into my house; key words, MY HOUSE. I realize that by ending one life it causes an abrupt change in Nature's cycle. However, I am curious to know...


~Is there a difference between killing something (like an insect or potentially venomous spider that got into your home) out of malice, just for the sake of killing and between getting rid of a pesky critter?

~Is there a "realistic" approach to this belief? I know all about the three-fold laws so I know Karma would've come back and bitten me in the butt eventually if I actually did kill the animal. But say you get ants in your house, or termites? Are you supposed to just let them live there?

I'm curious to hear your thoughts!

I'm not a believer in Karma, but there has to be a line somewhere. If you are taking medicine you are killing life - if you clean mold off of something in your house you are killing life. It is impossible to live without killing something that once lived. If a fly bothers me I kill it - the same way certain creatures allows others to live on them to kill those pests. I obviously don't go out of my way to do it, but it doesn't bother me if the need arises.

I'm not sure why you bolded the fact that it was your house? Flies have no concept of ownership

Oh I know...that's why I bolded the "my house" part. I respect animals in their own natural habitat, and I know that other creatures aren't aware when they invade a human's house. (Other than possibly getting a "Huh? What's this big thing?" question running through their minds.)

If it is a lightening bug or a lady bug no.
But cockroaches, termites, now that is a whole new thought process.
You would kill them. Of course.
But maybe there is a fine line
of a Ladybug and a cockroach.
The Ladybugs will always be saved
if i had roaches they would go
without a second thought.

many put value on the respect of life, not just wicca. For we as humanity must have respect for all humanity to overcome the challenges in which society has given us.

Respect should be a common practice yet many of the humanity has grown into the aspects of being better or stronger than the rest for fears, economics woes and despair has now become the focal point in their life.

There are often other options for pest control, and seeking aligned solutions is a humane practice.

A clean environment reduces the presence of insects.


There are barks that can be used to ward off varies fling insects as well. anyone who claims to practice as a witch, or wicca would know this with basic entry level reasoning.

I feel the same about things that get into the house. I don't kill things outside if it can be avoided, but if it comes in, it's fair game.

It's an interesting point about the attractiveness of the creature being the deciding point on whether it lives or dies. The Ladybug was a perfect example. If I found one inside I would do my best to take it back out.. or a butterfly.. a fuzzy caterpillar, even a roly-poly. But anything else and I'd be looking for a newspaper, or a shoe.

Cockroaches can carry disease, same with mosquitoes... I don't personally see anything wrong with protecting your home from things like that.

I was brought up to respect all forms of life, unfortunately that also meant a species which doesn't always deserve it 'Us'

Mother nature is cruel enough without us lending a helping hand

Well if any harming bio culture comes to your house, you have to clean it and take caution that it never come back...

may it be insect or venumous snake... this is the law of karma that its killing is your fate and not your act... hence karma release you from that killing coz you are saving your life and good cause... and being killed its fate, hence it get freee from that form of life to take another form as per its karma... thus the fate does not impact on the karma of being which is getting killed. so dont thinnk of karma in that regards and can kill them. you can save butterfly and killing it may impact on your karma coz butter flies does not harm you... ;)

respect is wise always... if any venumous insect feed on you, and does not respect your being and harm you, it is likely to get erased...

Law of respect is wise enough in this world and it too work as per law of karma...

law of karma says that harming acts will get the same fate of being erased or punishment...

but if you kills butterflies.... it changes your resolve from good human or kin to person having killing instinct such as frogs and feeding ants...

this will turn your nature and thus conscious and this make you that kin in your inner by adopted that nature...

I don't really believe in karma. Karma would have you believe that every terrible thing that occurs -- and every good thing -- is a direct result of our actions. It doesn't allow for random actions. It's hard to reconcile the notion of karma with random things like earthquakes and tidal waves in terms of causality.

Not to mention it is in effect a very self-centered outlook from the human standpoint. Natural disasters, and even other events in nature don't happen because nature cares about the actions of an individual. There are very specific reasons that things like earthquakes, lightning storms, etc happen, and to think that they happen because someone did something bad...

Actually please just ignore my last post - it's off topic and should be reserved for another medium. I apologize for the digression.

In a manner it is on topic, nature is not personal, that insect is not a conscious pest. Nature is benign, it has no alignment.

I wonder how fanatical, and fundamental a person can go with ideals, relative to their beliefs.

Then I recall the believers that cover their mouths, and sweep in front of themselves as they walk, in fear of offending their Creator, by accidenetly killing even a gnat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism#Jain_worship_and_rituals

I did learn that they wear the mask, not to avoid inhaling bugs, but to avoid salivating on text, though they are known to practice sweeping there path to avoid stepiping on insects.

There's nothing wrong with defending your own living space from things that may be harmful to you and your family. All creatures have their own place to live and grow and most defend it with their abilities. Why should humans be made any different. We're ALL made that way naturally.

our living space is others as well we must come together to the respect of others.

if u dont respect life it will come back and e very furious and dont take life for granted that another because u dont know when your last day will come no body knows it could happen tomorrow you never know

I have a jar for those situations, I simply capture it with a the jar and a paper underneath and take it outside, is irrational to destroy something that you are not going to use in order to survive or to give a value for your actions, other than destroying to take it out of a space you proclaim to be yours. It is like killing any other moving thing because is just there on your "property"(something you created on a paper to give the value that is your= division by creating a space) how illusive is that. Believe me if a fly could have the reasoning of deciding to go to your house and die by your hand, he would think it twice or more before "invading" it, the fly is just there because it is- doing what it must to survive as much as you do in your system, not because it can do anything to defend other than its safe mechanism of maneuver the predatory nature of other things, if you going to eliminate something make sure you eat it or give it some sort of rational value for your actions. It all stems from fear to the unknown, is interesting to see how a human can have fear over the smallest things or the means and measures they use to get rid of that diminutive fear; companies upon companies selling fear disposal tools, and institutions, doctrines and temples to get rid of more complex ones hehe! very amusing.

To narrow it down, that is why we have reasoning to prevent those primitive ways to react to such unnecessary means to get rid of "pest" or fears. There are new materials in the infrastructural level that prevent termites from destroying lumber, as well as coating (chemical repellants) there are electrical sensors that you could place on specific areas of the house to block the responses bugs emit in their communication signaling, there are plants that repel insects, specific odors and oils, even planting an array of venus fly traps could do the job. Just as much as having cats on a place repels rats and mice (the smell of the cat repels them from nesting on a location). They are always ways to avoid doing barbaric things even if it is on a micro-level it stills have an energy signature that will serve for something else out there other than your zapper.

Sorry i don't agree with that whole philosophy and i'll explain why. Let's say you go into a jungle, a panther spots you and decides you look like a good meal to take on. I can pretty much guess that the panther isn't sitting there going..."ok maybe i should or shouldn't kill that human fleshy meaty looking thing cuz it's sharing my territory and well maybe i should spare it's life because if i don't, "karma" is going to get me later." lol sheesh come on. Ok most of you are saying, well the panther is only doing it to eat something. Oh sure that's ok, but it's not ok for humans to eat meats now or kill things as an animal would?
Sure there's ways humans can go about doing things but why are we trying to act pansy about our natures all of a sudden? I'm pretty sure we're the ONLY species crying Karma while everything else is just simply doing what they always do and not worrying about who lives and who dies.

One thing dear friend, you are not an animal, you have more capacity of discerning what is can be use and what is useless under a behavior, do you really need to aim for the obvious, a panther is a primitive animal with the desires to manifest what is in his most priority, you presence on his location brings challenge or to other extremities of protection for young cubs=fear, but you think and reason your moves and ways to act, you are not going to kill a bear because it is eating on your garbage can, you are going to protect yourself because you have fear, how you respond to that fear is what is measured under reasonable behavior. There are millions of ways to react to something like that, it is sad that most of them involves on killing under the pretenses of protection which is really an excuse for fear of invasions and your death.

Firmament, you're right... things that come into my house that I kill I admit, it's out of fear. I also admit that fear isn't rational. And if my husband is around I yell for him to come get it.

As far as AngelicallyDemonic said, that whole "top of the food chain" argument doesn't really fly with me. As humans, we have done more to destroy the earth and other creatures than is repairable. I believe because we have the capacity to know the difference, we have a responsibility to protect what is left of the natural world.

Um sorry but my reply wasn't based on the "top of the food chain" nor did i say any such thing. Whether you believe or not, doesn't matter. We ARE animals as science would say. We're mammals, we're part of the unit, part of the world, and it's not my problem people choose to try and be something different from that.

I was refering to this bit:

"Sure there's ways humans can go about doing things but why are we trying to act pansy about our natures all of a sudden? I'm pretty sure we're the ONLY species crying Karma while everything else is just simply doing what they always do and not worrying about who lives and who dies. "

I was only saying that "everything else" isn't capable of worrying about who lives or dies.. and we are.

And personally, the way I live my life doesn't have anything to do with Karma either. But I think that once you know something, you should be responsible and held accountable for that knowledge.. but that's getting into willful ignorance, more than the topic of respect for life.

Angellicdemonic- you have the liberty to label yourself as a mammal of you want and have the freedomto ac like one if you wanted so, the only difference between the natural world and us to the light of day is that you can think and can avoid thugs withthe tools nature itself provided you with. If not we would've stayed on the caves wouldn't you agree? Why having the ability to manifest knowledge and yet not use it by the realization that we are animals like anyother and should behave as such or noone can change that.

i feel like you should respect life because if you dont bad things can happen

I apologize for the errors on my last post due to my phone corrector- it always gets on my nerves.

I think that is an invader is in your home, you have the right to do away with it. If you did not, even a simple fly would turn into a beetle, maybe a wasp...

And before you know it, you have an infestation

What makes it your home? a contract of real estate? It is never your home, it is a space you paid with a paper that has magical value that lets you claim it until your time in the globe is over unless you want to get buried with it.

This reminds me of a historic passage I read long long ago that involves a certain religious group that in order to destroy some natural swamp that was deemed as demonic because some kids were swimming and leeches dried them up and they couldn't understand what happened, They looked for very distinguished group of scientists of the time to make a declaration that the only sacred space is the one between the temple's walls and that the rest was moldable by man, and they destroyed natural hectares under those pretenses. Pretty irrational if you look at this point of view now that we are more aware on what is logically occurring at the time and event, that it what is a delusional move. Maybe if you step out of your present delusion of what is reality you could see that we are all born in this planet, we all breath the same air and drink from the same source; and that is humans who/that divide lands, divide people, divide creatures and divide everything into creating them into little controllable spaces.

Firmament, you have the right to say what you want about how you feel about things, but so do WE. We don't have to agree with your viewpoint. Animals, and insects have their living space and so do we. It's kinda dumb to sit there and say that we as humans don't have anywhere to call home and defend it against things that can cause later issues. It's not fear to EVERYBODY, it's called, protecting our space, protecting our families and we DO have the right to call a space our home since we do in fact, live here with everything else, and everything else is entitled to live whereever they want to. Only difference is, they don't have to pay for their spot, while the rest of us do. mmmk? sheesh stop attacking people that don't see eye to eye about it.

It was never meant as an attack its a mere shake, you received the transmission as a negative because it challenges your perspective along with analogy. As I said before you don't need to recur on destruction to get rid of something you project as pest or invasion of space, There are tools, ways, science, to save your "family" and "property" from "pests & insects from doing their things as you do" if you wanted to do so, just because something stepped in using natural instinct to look for their means to survive doesn't justify that is open of judgement or killing it. As in for "it is not FEAR is for PROTECTION", then what are you protecting for and from what from happening? if we narrow it down, we get the contradiction clear.

I suppose if a hungry dog, child or raccoon is wondering unaware around your house in the look for food in its instinct to find it where is possible, it is a rational idea to terminate the invading creature from becoming a pest/parasite in your house? (if we create the analog).

I would never dream of intentionally killing an animal in their natural habitat. Unfortunately, I have hit a rabbit or bird with my car when it was unavoidable. However, I always stopped and made sure it was dead and then moved it from the road out of respect.

Animals within human territory, with the exception of roaches and such, invade our territory because we have in fact destroyed their homes. Think about it, where most homes, apartments, complexes, and businesses stand now...it was once a wooded area...home to hundreds of thousands of animals. Once destroyed both the animals and the food chain are impacted. To hunt or remove snakes, bears, alligators, etc from ones yard...I can understand because they are harmful to humans but in essence, they were here first. I think people forget that little bit of information.

For me, the answer to many questions about killing insects or creatures, rely n the consequences that they can bring into my life. IE, a cockroach, can bring you a decease, due to their nature of eating feces. A mosquito can give you malaria. So, I killed them. Also most of the time, I carried out the spider in my house, and put them outside.

Personally, I do not know what would make it your home...
Other than the truth that it is usually a place you feel safe, and where you regenerate for the next day of life

My home now is this planet, and the way to feel safe is using my head, for there is no thing to feel fear than my head itself, the rest is protected by those who know how to survive using rational ways to prevent something you don't desire from occurring (analog). If your question goes if I live in a house, yes I do and I am part of your experience, the difference is I know what my impact is and what I can and cant do and mostly others don't and choose to go for what is socially programed as viable behavior in the judgement of things. I hate when people buy poison to kill rats, insects and even raccoons, why not just buy technology or change things to avoid them instead.

I am not wrong, and neither are you.
There are so many different ways to look at all of this...

I mean, you could even look at abortion in all of this. hunting... the list goes on

i think everybody should respect life no matter who they are they all should respect all life

My mother-in-law had one of those gadgets that is supposed to emit a sound to keep bugs away... yeah, didn't work.

Although it seemed none of the rest of the family could hear it, the buzzing of it drove me crazy and if I had to listen to it for any amount of time, it gave me an awful headache... lol.

in terms of life, i have more respect for animals and insects than i do for humans. Simple reason: Animals and insects are not destroying this planet.

Neither is human my friend, humans are simply destroying themselves and natural chains along with it, the world never ends by human hands-as long as you don't have some "Star Wars" toys such as the 'Death Star'.

im an omnivorous animal that is territorial and often cranky. if anything comes into my territory uninvited, it stands a chance of death. if im hungry, then any animal i may be near stands a chance of death.

life comes from death. biology 101.
~W~

well, my opinion is that humans are causing the planet to die.

We all know or have heard that we as humanity has been killing the Earth slowly. Yes it holds some truth yet we are to see that everything in existance at one time persihes by its own means, age or what. so just like cancer apon us we too are speeding the earths death. we sometimes do not see until to late of the remafications of things tell many years down the road.

yet perspect of life as humanity calls it is against another living thing. debate would be is earth alive or not to apply this scenerio.

Well Honorable Dabler is true about Jainism... Jain is the other stream fled from Hinduism and running on separate belief and codes and to we Hindu it is equally stream as stream Buddhism...

I personally do not know much about the Jainism than that they do believe in Ahimsa (Nonviolence)


Yes Karma dictate on conscious level and universal level.


Example is our environment system, yes we drown in flood so many time by uncontrolled floods, earthquake, tsunamis etc. but before we go on reading the Law of karma we must not check the context...

Jainism solely does not represent hinduism, that is just like one panth (Clan).

Law of Cause and Effect is the law of karma in science.

http://www.experiencefestival.com/chain_of_cause_and_effect

In my opinion before taking birth, our conscious is strong enough that we can choose the forms and lifes at geography we wants and before birth we knows our calculated life and geography around us and our exit too from that form which we are going to take birth...

and due to karma of earlier forms did impact on our nature (resolve) our conscious do act in that manner and before birth we know the total matrix of our living growth progress and death is knew by us, even though we take birth in those womb in attraction of the acts in that particular family and places to enjoy the life and that time we even knows the matrix of the flood earthquake and other calamities... too...

Thus this our suffering as killed in tsunami is our Prarabdha result of the karma.


http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma


there order of karma is changed from origin

its

1) Kriyaman Karma (Gives result instantly)
2) Sanchit Karma (Acts deposited to give results later)
3) Prarabdha KArma (Gives results in happening or result f this other acts done later by that person)

im very amused by some of the responses...

no...cadrewolf...i do not know we are killing the planet slowly. we are just a part of the planet. we may be able to do things other animals cant do...but we also have the ability to fix those things. the first world countries are far far cleaner today than they were in the 1960s or 70s.

we just have to teach the third world how to create more wealth so that they will be able to clean up their own messes.

Firmament...what makes it my right to call a place my home? first...i have the firepower and the knowledge and willingness to enforce that something is mine.
second, i have the law to back me up.

once upon a time, there was an american indian tribe called the apache...they roamed central and western texas as well as other areas...
another tribe called the comanche came in and drove them out...they were unsurpassed horsemen, and had superior tactics. the home of the apache became the home of the comanche.
it has always been that way with humans, and with other animals. usually you dont have two apex predator species sharing the same area. one is stronger...and it claims its home.

in the meantime, if you would like to lay out naked in the swamp and feed the mosquitoes for a while before i spray, feel free to do so.
everything should have a last meal
LOL
~W~

"Firmament...what makes it my right to call a place my home? first...i have the firepower and the knowledge and willingness to enforce that something is mine.
second, i have the law to back me up."

Such narrow minded post, I guess you could use your guns and law and your knowledge to defend your "home". I guess it rains your home once you are here no more...I like how you live that short sighted illusion.

the way i feel if u dont respect life u wont be here life is short to disrespect life. and ours lives is so precious we need to respect it because u only get one life and once it gone that it that why u should respect it while u can

Well I feel it is a process of ife to kill any thing or person that could cause harm, as to a pesty criter depends on the critter, I am also wiccan yet, American Indian. I will not allow one to kill a ladybug, grandfather spider, cricket, or grasshopper within my house or anywhere I may be and they are there. We believe certain things are her for a reason.
I respect all walks of life as long as none are trying to harm myself or others. so. it is all about hat you yourself believe is how I feel.
Just an opinion andmy thoughts on it.

firmament....did you actually read my post? my views are what i observe all around me in nature, and i am a part of nature as well.
i must survive so i kill...i kill animal life and vegetable life, and take it into myself.
as for my home...how do you do it? do you just wander about living in a tent? and if the ants come into your tent, do you welcome them?

i own a home...i bought it with money that i earned. and yes, i will protect it.
if someone walked into your home...assuming you have one, and decided to just take your computer, you would just smile and say "be my guest?"

shortsighted? perhaps...but based on millennia of human history, and eons of biology.

~W~

If an individual has an aversion to crushing a bug that is acceptable, however if the person radically presses their aversion on others then they cross a line.

I personally see no reason to burden ones conscious with such matters. If I don't make an attractive environment to insects, and mice, then insects and mice will not be a major factor. I keep in mind that such species breed in accordance with their life expectancy. There will always be radicals. There will always be gross violators that hunt species leisurely.

“If my poetry aims to achieve anything, it's to deliver people from the limited ways in which they see and feel.” 
Jim Morrison 

You don't get the point right, you have a home because it is designed in your head that you have it, but it is never there, you don't earn anything in this life, you rent it in your existence, when you die the house is not yours, in 1000 years later the house will not be yours, you happen to view it from a "law", "social", systematic overview that humans are owners of this planet and the rest are simply things out there for your benefit. When you die that place you "paid" with your magical paper that has value to humans in order to claim a territory is no longer going to be yours. You are seeing life in a singular overview- anthropocentrically (interpreting or regarding the world in terms of human values and experiences) that is how far you have chose to look upon things from the dissection of your perspective. In that base of measurement you could cut trees, kill leopards for fur, crocodile for shoes, and simply choose what is in upmost interest for human beings alone without regarding the chain reactions of things; when there are other means to have contruction material, shoes, coats or in your example of the tent and ants "move another place instead on recurring to eliminate something in order to [protect] your interest in that space( which in fact is an interest based on fear from not having things as you want them to be executed because of some-importance you adopt to empower an egocentric posture because you have the intelligence and power to abuse on other things that might lack of having the sameprimitive defence mechanism)". I hope that If someone has the ability to perceive things and know what is rationally viable vs what is rationally unnecessary and detrimental, then it is a behavior stemming form human growth but when one choose to adopt such primitive posture of believing in power because of an distinctive trait to do things out of abusive ingenuity. You have the reasoning, is only fair to put it on practice before looking for the conformity.

“He who experiences the unity of life sees his own Self in all beings, and all beings in his own Self, and looks on everything with an impartial eye.” 
-Siddhartha Gautama

i own a home...i bought it with money that i earned. and yes, i will protect it.
if someone walked into your home...assuming you have one, and decided to just take your computer, you would just smile and say "be my guest?"

About this, we are not talking about social impressions and the advent of an stranger stealing my equipment, There would be other reasonable ways to address such behavior, and doesn't involve killing. But we are talking about insects and "pests" that invade in order to sustain not because they know that you pay for your things and house and that they are laws. Now I ask you, Would you kill a hungry innocent kid that has no awareness of property or social ethics, looking for food in your house? so since your answer might be predictable we could conclude that human life is not equal to any other natural life, because its just human.

I am an animal and will act within my nature. I will use all that life has to offer within my humanity. I will protect, feed and provide for those I love and defend against all those who oppose me.

I don't bel;ieve that animals are responcible for what they do or are accountable. Because they only do things on instinck. But A human is different. So they are accountable for what they do. ( my opinion) Also, I would choose tro cath a insect in a jar an set it loose outside if possible.

well people should be accountable, people are special. however if an animal were attacking me I am not about to not defend myself simply because the animal is not fully aware of just what it is doing.

I find some of the answers here ludicrous in nature. If your religion is so strict that you regard pests as ok and should tippy toe around them fine. Flies are for getting rid of decaying matter. That generally is not inside a home unless doors or windows are open and you have a lot of open food products lying around, such on dishes that haven't been washed from the night before. There will be flies in that case and they will come inside. Sometimes it has to do with cleanliness but most of the time not. In the summer, they will enter wherever they can and that is that. If they are where they are not suppose to be such as inside a dwelling then the owner has every right to deal with them whatever way they can especially if there are children present.

As for 3 fold, that is a modern idea and most of what people say about Karma is a New Age twist on it as well. If you believe these things fine but let's get down to the real fact of the matter.

The housefly (also house fly, house-fly or common housefly), Musca domestica, is a Diptera of the Brachycera suborder. It is the most common of all domestic flies, accounting for about 90% of all flies in human habitations, and indeed one of the most widely distributed insects, found all over the world; it is considered a pest that can carry serious diseases.

Mechanical transmission of organisms on its hairs, mouthparts, vomitus and feces:

parasitic diseases: cysts of protozoa e.g. Entamoeba histolytica, Giardia lamblia and eggs of helminths e.g.: Ascaris lumbricoides, Trichuros trichura, Haemenolypes nana, Enterobius vermicularis.

bacterial diseases: typhoid, cholera, dysentery, pyogenic cocci, etc. House flies have been demonstrated to be vectors of Campylobacter and E. coli O157:H7 using PCR [7]. House flies can be monitored for bacterial pathogens using filter paper spot cards and PCR [8]

Viruses: enteroviruses: poliomyelitis, infective hepatitis (A & E)..etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_fly

They need to be removed from dwellings and when I use to be studying with Spiritualists they would tell us to warn the critter whether it be a spider or insect and give them a chance to leave and if they don't then you try to get them out by whatever means you must. Flies don't live long anyway and they are pests and harmful, it is as simple as that. Other forms of lower life are something else and it has to be established case by case on what is appropriate. To me, this is a common sense issue.

I see nothing wrong with killing an insect. If you so choose to let it live, then by all means, but I don't think it should be anything the worries you if you do choose to kill it. it IS nature to kill also... everything kills something... we kill plants to build our homes we kills animals eat... i think it's a double standard to say we can't kill something to keep out home clean and safe... whether it be to spray you home so they don't enter or to kill a pesky fly that won't seem to stop landing on your food.

But some people area little more
"pro insect life" than others, huh? lol

Every creature is weighed as is every man.All shall be judged accordingingly. Remember wheat has more complex Dna than you do but is unable to learn.With the gift of power comes great responsibility and greater peril.You may wish you were wheat.Bows and vanishes.

I have little time to spend here but I could not help but add to the discussion thus far based on my experience.

I have a great respect for life. But I too have killed; many times. Who has not killed either directly or indirectly. When we eat a carrot or a potatoe we have killed a plant. When we eat meat of any sort we have killed an animal. When I used to hunt deer or rabbit or squirel in the mountains where I live, I killed and fed. In Vietnam I killed other humans.

English Common Law [which we have in 49 of the 50 states in these United States] looks at killings of animals and humans differently. It also looks at the intent of the killer of a fellow human being in determining the "appropriate punishment". Concepts like "malice aforethought" will require state sactioned death of one killer while intentional killing "without
malice" will likely result in that killer spending less time in jail than a person committing an armed robbery where no one is killed and only money is taken.

Finally, are we "killing the planet". NO WE CANNOT KILL THIS PLANET. Even if the BP spill in the Gulf of Mexico remains unstoppable for the next 50 years and pollutes the oceans to such an extent that most all life in the oceans of the earth die off, this planet will still live on. Some form of life will continue long after we pollute ourselves out of existence; or not. But the planet will survive until the forces set in motion by the big bang kills it.

food4thought

Agreed, you can only kill yourselves and that which was given to you at no interest.
Food 4 thought? or for people.

from the moment something is born, it begins to die, slowly.

I kill flies all the time. If I am somewhere and there's a fly bothering me and flying around my food I will kill it so quick and painless it will not know what hit it.

You aren't doing anything wrong dear. They call them "bugs" for a reason!! :)

what I hate is people who love their animals more then other people.

I much prefer my animals to people.. they are a part of my family as far as I am concerned.

Animals have simple needs, and give more than they get without ever lying to you or judging you or your station in life.

cats only give, if they feel you deserve it.

Doru had the right idea

We are animals- just like any tiger, monkey, etc.
Many often forget that... getting caught up in things

thats as may be however, we are smarter, and we are self aware.

its sad... but it's true... people are more willing to help a dying dog than a dying man...

people have somehow lost the worth of human kind.

i for one care more about animals than humans

Chaos.. for me, people asked for it.

I live/work in places where I have to deal with peoples' stupidity, sense of entitlement, and just plain evil everyday.. Even my formerly people-loving husband has gotten to the point where it's all he can do to deal with it...
If people showed some common decency, minded their own business, and followed the rules, the whole world would be a better place.
I was taught to treat people how I'd like to be treated, and if something isn't mine to leave it alone.

Animals have no ulterior motives.. even if they do something "bad" it's not like they were plotting, it's just their nature... except maybe cats, always plotting.. ;)

im with Lordwolf and Doru on this - if something comes into my home i expect it to respect me be it man beast or insect.

i would not kill a human being unless i had no option to defend myself or my family, but a wild animal or insect id deal with as i saw fit -if its me or them i wont die without a fight: life, my life is too precious.

@GodofCHaos: when did people ever have respect for fellow man, the whole good samaritan story is 2000 years old and people still havent gotten it.

I believe in karma but i don't think killing animals or insects is going to hurt your chances that much. I go hunting and have hunted deer, squirrels, raccoons, and even turkey. Its the circle of life, the food chain. Every living thing must kill something in order to survive.

we kill everyday in some respect or another, i think that taking human or animal life is wrong and holds a Karmic Price.

kattrinak, i agree with you, but say you were faced with a human being who was going to kill you and your only option was to defend yourself by killing them first, would you do it?

surely your own life is just as precious and needs to be protected just as much as another persons?

Well I think regardless of whether an insect or animal is in your home or natural environment voids the issue to start. Animals don't just instinctively know that your home is off limits to them.

Secondly, even in the wild its kill or be killed. So if your family, or health is threatened you have to do what is natural.

I personally try not to kill insects if I can avoid it, I prefer to capture them and send them outside. But in the case of flies, thousands are born daily so it doesn't matter anyway.