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Your thoughts regarding blood sacrifice over time (american indians eating the hearts of enemies, afrian tribalism, ancient asian "soul capture", viking and germanic tribes feeding off blood, vlad the impaler, ghengis khan, etc)?

All related? cause I would throw out that on some primitive level, there has always been a school of thought in which people have attempted to grow themselves through the obtained energy of others...

i dont really understand blood sacrifices, never had to do them in magic, except for myself, but women can easily get blood. just have to wait for a month ;)

Blood Sacrifice...boring and unnecessary

i do agree that although unecessary these blood sacrifices can hold quite a sensual twist

Men, just because you find it boring & unnecissary, doesn't mean other people will.

I believe the idea stems from sacrificing the very thing of life in mankind or animals. In most cultures, blood was considered that one thing in which life literally flowed. Some later would adopt 'humours' to describe the idea but it was believed that of any organ or part of the human body, it was blood that held the life and therefore it would be the ultimate sacrifice either by giving so much of it that the sacrifice dies or by sacrificing a small portion of your own blood and therefore your own life to your cause, spell or deity.

not all sacrifices are blood sacrifices (as in killing) some are sacrifices of viginity (which in a way is a blood sacrifice but of a different nature lol) so i think it's safe to say i am safe from that type llf

I wouldn't mind the sacrifice, just as long as I get to drink the blood afterwards...

I actually like the idea of sacrifice - in stories, and movies, in history. It adds some kind of eerie wonder if you could be the one being sacrificed or if you could be the one conducting the sacrifice.

I personally would rather conduct the sacrifice but since I'm not that experienced, I'd understand if I had to be sacrificed instead.

Sacrificing animals, babies, virgins as part of a ritual is not something I would mind witnessing if this was still "the olden days". But in todays times, its just considered sick. lol

i personally have never had to do it, have found that they are only called for in black magic spells. blood maybe called for but not any kind of sacrifice

when u think bout it in white magic that calls for blood in a way u are giving something up to so in a way a part of u does die just not the whole part of u.

A Sacrifice of a shard or of yourself, can you afford it? is it worth it?
Connected perhaps, many believe the most powerful thing in a person is their heart.

I consider them stupid and a lost of time and energy, (sorry for the rude entrence) I consider that a sacrifice does not need ot be out of this extrem, I dont approve them and dont beleive in them, they are worhtless and useless.

Yet even in the "Christian" belief , "Blood" had to be shed inorder for "sins" to be forgiven. And even today they practice a suedo Sacrifice via representation of Wine for blood.

For the sake of argument and because I think that the initial respondants have either a. failed to read the original question or b. didn't understand the original question... here is the original question by GodsHand:


Your thoughts regarding blood sacrifice over time (american indians eating the hearts of enemies, afrian tribalism, ancient asian "soul capture", viking and germanic tribes feeding off blood, vlad the impaler, ghengis khan, etc)?

All related? cause I would throw out that on some primitive level, there has always been a school of thought in which people have attempted to grow themselves through the obtained energy of others...



GodsHand, what you are describing is not the ritual blood sacrifice as in "shed the blood of creatures to gain power in ritual", but rather the stealing of power of your defeated opponents in battle by eating their organs and drinking their blood. Perhaps the title of your post is a bit ... misrepresentative of what you are wishing to speak about.

To answer you, the belief that consuming the remains of your defeated opponent to take their power into you is an ancient and superstitious belief. Even modern day hunters sometimes view eating the heart of a creature they have killed as both a sign of respect for the life you have taken/ conquered and a symbolic absorption of that creature's life into your own.

Through this belief, one gained the power and knowledge of their defeated opponents by eating their remains and drinking their blood. I classify it as a sentimental gesture born of superstition.

LOL,so if i eat a piece of cow heart do I become a Bull?

No more than if you eat a donkey you become an ass. LoL

I dont know too much about blood sacrifices but I do know that its culture for many of them, unlike if we would do it, it would be murder!

I have to agree with jenova on this one.

Woo hoo! Somebody agrees with me! *gives suave a hi-five*

alira:> this topic was never about the ritualistic sacrifice of blood. it's about the ancient belief in consuming the organs and blood of your defeated opponents in battle or the hunt. it's related to some of the blood rituals in ancient civilization, but this is a different spin on it.

*Suave recieves the high five gladly from jen*.its interesting to learn about other cultures both ancient and modern.out respect to the ancient ones who walked this earth before us,and those that share the planet with us present time.

suave: an interesting and appropriate thing indeed, paying tribute to ancestral beliefs.

it is from these ancestral beliefs that modern belief systems come. however, just as science has brought about physical change, so too does it bring about an evolution of practices and beliefs.

I whole heartedly agree,evolution is the way of things.hence where the human race is where it is today.Life is a learning curve.

vlad the impaler, ghengis khan, spilt the blood of their enemies as a sign of power and to put fear into them, not sure about the rest of them but do know that when in battle they spill blood to put fear in their enemies. but suppose u could still call it a blood sacrifice

Thanks for the responses....Jenova specially...

So, in follow up to Jenova's post...

Superstition or not?

this particular practice had its own place in its own day. as a ritual, it contains power in and of itself. that is the nature of ritual. so i suppose that it also has as much power as one is willing to lend it.

i still believe it was more superstitious belief, but i've never tried it myself to know...

It was an old belief, one that holds no merit in my eyes, I do not believe that they are real, It in many ways could have been a way to suppress the people that lived in such societies.

I was always taught in school that to eat the heart of your enemy was to gain his courage and strength... *shrugs*

I have seen a few people say that it is unnessary and I value thier opinion but it is part of some cultures

Of course, and it may have merit behind it, I do not shun nor look down on the cultures because of their beliefs, I find it highly interesting, its something id love them to teach in school lol.

Thruout history blood has been seen as something beautiful and sacred . Not something to be taken lightly . In all the Abrahamic faiths , blood was important . Blood for Jews represented forgiveness of sins guilt offerings . For Muslims particularly for the Shia blood represented struggle . For Sunnis blood was more about the story of Ismael and Abraham . When angel Gabriel commanded him to saciface his son . For Christians its about the death of Christ and the shedding of his perfect blood for mans sins . So blood has a very important part in mans history .

Only those of the dominent culture may call anothers culture "superstitious". Let us get ,beyond this.

I think its what it stands for, the symbolism of blood that transcends into most cultures. It oxygenates all the organs of the body and especially the brain and if drained of it the body cannot function so its a very impactful symbol of life itself.

In my opinion blood scarifices are the "highest' form of sacrifice. Blood is the vehicle for life, the heart the "center" of life. Blood is the most precious fluid in the body without it we die simple.There is no secret to me why blood scarifices have been carried out by nearly every single culture at on time or another.

im not really sure that the vikings should be mentioned in this group, they are after all my elders and i have never heard mentioned that they sacrificed blood?

anyways to add a comment i dont like blood sacrifice, i mean killing someone to get theire powers and what not? i think it is ridiculous

in a ritual..dove blood all over meee self was the deal.
It was meant for ultimate purification.
did I do it or not is not the question, however I did study various paths and went deep into many so as to learn all the ways fully and not just via a book.

I considered the blood ritual very delicate and special.

am not into the whole animal killing however. I would not include in my practice as a norm. Rather do other cool things like dmt, or self sacrifice stuff like fasting, or pushing body past limits.
Would I consider blood sacrifices again?
would have to journey and do shaman ways to find out if the moment of sacrifice was absolutely necessary. I love animals.
Would have to figure out if animal spirit agreed to it.

Would also need to asses why.

aside from that only my own blood I spill when I do vows of this and that again.

Well stated Chameleon, this would also include the holiday of Passover. Where those of the faith were to sacrifice a lamb to protect their eldest son from the wrath of God ;)

Yet even in the "Christian" belief , "Blood" had to be shed inorder for "sins" to be forgiven. And even today they practice a suedo Sacrifice via representation of Wine for blood.

If there you're decendants it's quite a well known fact they ate the heart of their enemies...

I think we look back on things that were done in the past and judge them through todays eyes. In order to truly understand what they did and why, we would have to analyze it through the eyes of their time. We do things now, that will be looked at differently hundreds of years from now. Even though it will not be condoned in the future, does it make it wrong now? I believe Vlad, for example, did what he thought was right at the time to intimidate. And, it worked, didn't it. Rituals exist and then over time can fade away. Many cultures have seen blood as the essence of power. So, it would only be normal for these cultures to use blood in their rituals.

Chameleon I couldnt have asked for a better response. I feel the exact same way. They are all related in that they all use the energies of the offering, true be in, in different mannors. However, it does not matter. Serves the same purpose, just getting different results.

Here is something I ran across:

Blood Sacrifice
Althea Whitebirch

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We have all moved through periods of crisis in our lives; things ranging from the sublime to the ridiculous, from the death of someone close to us to final exams. Events which are extremely stressful-which threaten our lives, home, future or security-would seem t call for strong measures of assistance. There have been many times that I have felt that the course of events required swift and strong intervention of a deity. Blood sacrifice is, to my mind, one of the more powerful magics one could perform, and so seemed particularly suitable for this. But it's rather ethically sticky.

I may feel that the kind of energy contained in the outpouring of blood would be most efficacious in a serious situation, but I'm dead-set against the use of an unwilling victim for the purpose. So, in the past I've spilled my own blood with an athame, at the same time offering up prayers; it just didn't seem to work as well as I thought it would. Perhaps, I thought, one needs lots of blood to generate any appreciable amount of energy.

Then a friend suggested what seemed the perfect solution-blood donation! I'd been giving blood for several years and the thought just never had occurred to me before. So the next time I went in to donate, I approached it as ritual sacrifice for a particular purpose, and both the process and results seemed to be much improved. Since then I've gone to donate blood many times, each time with a prayer for healing for the recipient of my blood, and a request for aid from the deity that seemed most appropriate.

For those of you who've never donated blood before, I can provide a few details of the process. It's not very frightening, and it can be a very spiritually moving experience, I'll tell you! As well, remember that you don't sell blood (at least not in Puget Sound), you donates it. You can sell plasma-the straw-colored fluid that makes up the bulk of your blood-but not blood itself.

The first time you go in you'll fill out a medical questionnaire: the Puget Sound Blood Bank doesn't want your blood if you're ill right then (or just getting over something), taking certain medications, ever had hepatitis or malaria, or are in a high-risk category for contracting AIDS (Haitian, homosexual, needle-using drug user or prostitute). If you have any questions, they'll be happy to answer them.

After you fill out the questionnaire, they'll take your blood pressure and a blood sample (like sticking your finger with a pin) to test your hemocrit (% of hemoglobin) as well as determining what type your blood is. If your hemocrit count isn't high enough they'll send you home. Nowadays, all blood is sent to a lab to be tested for presence of AIDS anti-bodies as well; if you test positive they'll notify you by mail. You'll be asked if you've eaten in the last four hours, and if not, sent to the canteen for cookies and juice.

Then comes the fun part-you go lie down on a table where a phlebotomist (who draws the blood) asks you some questions, verifies your name, and then sets you up to donate. They tie a rubber hose around your arm, so the vein will stand out and be easy to find. They use cold liquid ethyl chloride on your arm, to numb it where the needle goes in. I won't say that it doesn't hurt when the needle is inserted-it does but it's tolerable-when it's in place though, you'll hardly know it's there. (You may get the idea from all this that I'm a stoic-hardly! I'm a wimp when it comes to pain, but this I can handle.) At this time they'll leave you there for up to five minutes while you clench and relax your hand (to keep the blood from clotting) and the blood flows into a little plastic bag. It's warm and red, and rather reassuring, really. At this time you can get into some really serious prayer, or hum a little healing chant for the person your blood's going to. (I once was doing this and got a flash image of a little boy, a burn victim. I always wondered who got my blood that day.) I wouldn't recommend getting too spaced-out though; remember you've got to be able to return to yourself when you want to, and the physical effects of giving blood can make some people light-headed or slightly woozy. When they ask you how you're feeling, be honest, not macho. You don't want to embarrass yourself by fainting.

Afterwards they'll ask you to have some juice and cookies. By all means, do! For one thing, you've earned them; for another it's important to replace the fluid and blood sugar you just gave up. Working magic really takes it out of you, too (at least it does me).

In my experience, there are several good reasons to use this particular method of blood sacrifice: a) It doesn't require the death of one of the Gods' children. b) It is giving of yourself-for the good of others as well as your own. c) It is safe-the Blood Bank uses sterile instruments and never re-uses needles, so you can't catch anything. d) You have the added benefit of being able to see the blood as it's being given (somehow that adds to my experience), and a pint is a lot more than I've ever been able to get with a knife! Next time you want to get the Gods' attention, try it!



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I am american indian and know of no tribe that ate the hearts of their enemies they did however eat the heart of their first animal kill as a rite to becoming a man. It was I think the mayans who cut out the hearts of their sacrifices.

Superstition yes, but then yet everything different is a superstition. I feel its more belief! Belief because when a hunter or warrior ingested their opponent or quarry they believed that part of the soul was now a part of theirs. In most cases it is a sign of respect and the belief that because the soul is now part of the warrior or hunter then that soul will live on forever.

It has been used for fear factors. But the true meaning behind these sacrifices was purely respect for the opponent and giving that opponent a chance to live on.

Why do people do such things AS a "blood sacrifice" Tp appease the Gods (and please don't anyone say, "Well thats insane the Gods dont want that" cause we DONT KNOW) Would a GOD bleed? No, hence the whole IMMORTAL GOD thing going on there. I heard this in a Disney movie, and it went something like this. the Gods require a blood sacrifice be cause they can not bleed" (paraphrased) And when I heard that, itmade sense. We are the Gods playthings. And here's where the whole 3 fold comes to play, FOR ME ANYWAYS. In school while researching LeVey, Crowley and the mad arab We sacrificed a goat in the name of a certain God/Demon. And the end result was to have someone die. Not only did the person die (because of stress and health complications, which was rather abruptlt) but just within the past decades has things taken an unexpected turn. And not for the best. I feel blood sacrifice is meant for those who are well versed in that field. Sacrifice has been around since the dawn of man. there must be sat least SOME relavance.

hmmmm I wonder how much energy is released whith a blood sacrifice ????
would I do one Hell no but it is a large part of many cultures history

i understand what u r talking about but myself never had a sacrifice but i have read up on them and how u need some kind of sacrifice to do a spell.

I think that back in history different cultures thought it was necessary to sacrifice the life's blood. I assume they believed it gave them powers, and the strength of the enemy they concord. I think the historic sacrifice of children was hideous. I think that blood sacrifice in modern society is hideous. I could not even take the life of a bug or a snake. I'm the live and let live kind of girl!

I don't really think they're necessary, no..

If god doesn't bleed then why would he want it or need it? I think thats stupid...

Blood sacrifice has been a part of every religon I have ever heard of. Pagan, Wiccan, Christian, all of them. God commanded the blood of sheep. Pagans use blood in their rituals. Even Wiccan's have some use of blood. Blood can be a source of life, a cleansing offering, or something darker.

I would love for someone to tie me down and slice up various parts of my body,(hence I dun wish to die),and use my blood to help in anyway possible as long as I can move later,I think it would be a wonderful experience.

Yeah, having my body sliced up & being in agony sounds like great fun, you sure have strange ideas of wonderful hun lol

I know right,I am strange,I of course am not talking insane slicing,more of a sexual nature,I think I twisted,Just think..no we won't go there..*grins*

blood sacrifice's a waste of a good body if it's a girl, if it's animal cold hearted how would you like it. what the fuck i'm i saying BLOODBATH AWAY BABY

Blood has/is viewed as the life force of our species so it’s only natural that we devoured it and consumed it in our attempts to gain power and control over others and ourselves.

I can understand how a blood sacrifice would be vital to many things. Blood is the life force of the body, without the blood, there is no life, so it makes sense. But it seems like a waste of perfectly good blood to me! :)

blood sacrifice what? god don't want your blood he wants your money don't you watch tv. put away the butcher knifes..
and dig deap in your pockit an give him a 20..