i have been reading alot about Vampires in other countries.... why is there no real stories about them here in the U.S.... or have i missed them?
Are you looking for native legends of blood drinking creatures? Or are you takling more of folk tales since Europeans and others came to this continent? There are plenty of tales from the past century or so.
As vampires originate from Slavic myth, not American myths or tales. In my opinion it is as simple as that.
Most of the stories originated in other countries. You won't find hardly any older stories that take place in the United States.
The only stories that come to mind right off the bat are Stephen King's Salem's Lot and Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles.
there are a few native american myths of creatures that are vampire like. i read them in an english class few years ago.
The only ones for the americas are those the indians speak about.All others were brought here from other countries...
I would have to say that since our culture here in the US is younger than most other cultures, we haven't had enough time to have as many stories ass the other cultures. Remember, we are a country filled with immigrants, so almost all of our stories come from another culture.
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Because back when many of these stories and legends began, people didn't understand as much and therefore treated everything as real based on faith.
Now we know some people are just crazy and if they're saying that they personally are something bizarre like.. a real vampire.. or the son of god.. they get locked up in a padded room.
And there would be the end of the story.
Dark Greeting's,
I know of one but for the life of me I can't remember where it is in Ma.I believe near Boston.It's about a young girl.Sorry hopefully someone from that area reads this and can elaborate on it.
KA
Most vampiric tales originated over seas, with their beliefs of the dead. the folklores to keep children in line or fables to put them to sleep, most have become the legends we fear or respect. havn't heard about any hear except for what we hear in movies and tv sorry no help here.
As have been said before the original Vampire ledgends did begin overseas however ther are several bizzar Native American ledgends one in particular is the "skin-walkers" now while they are not "vampires" so to speak they do have a place in this discussion I think.
As for modern day Vamps New York has a huge vampire population and the "role-players" can be found in nearly every major US city. As for real Vampires in America, it would depend upon your deffinition.
Xzavier do you have a posting for this Skin Walkers, love to read it. The american myths have generally origanted with spirits, such as ghost or poltrigists, but Just because Vampyres were not put down in fables of America, I still think that alot of the immagrants brought the myths here like my grandfather and carried the lores to here. Depends on a person thoughts and beliefs
cadrewolf,
if you ignore the terrible movies by the same name there is a book on it here, its mostly to do with chewed up cattle though
No problem :)
It more like blue balls of light, invincible wolfs and so on -
but there would be an interesting cross with the West Indian Asema / Loogaroo / Sukuyan and the Benin Asiman / Obayifo who not oinly changed into a blue ball to drink human blood but also had to count spilled seeds, avoided sunlight and so forth
The history of modern Ameriuca is too short to have really old myths, by the time people were able to settle on other continents, science had advanced to make a nonsense out of most tales
The myths of American vampires will have to be inside the history of native americans
oh there have been plenty of stories about them here in the US. As people came to this country so did the vampires. Haven't you ever heard of the story of the last american vampire?
It all started with Vlad lol then took off from there , all european countrys have there storys and myths but most are Fabercated then others.
It seems like America doesn't have any vampires which is somewhat saddening. But most legends really come from Europe or at least has one tie to a country in Europe.
There aare alot of stories of them in New Orleans and in plus America is boring lol
Maybe there are stories of Vampires in America...
But how insignificant would that make it then?
Do you see?
America has a way of ruining things, "un-specializing" them, if you will.
If we had such roots, such stories, we would mock them.
Running around in costumes (like we do) claiming to be vampires (like we do) or covering up the truth of our history with false hopes, and lies.. (like we do).
well i think the stories that are in the u.s are not myth and what you probably read about are myth...it is easier to be facinated and fall into the whole myth/legend of vampires than it is to realize that they are of a reality and in the u.s theres not so much talked about it's more of a self discovery and findings.
There are some. Just not very many. Reason being the United States is typically a new country.
well one thing is the US is still a baby country compared to the other countries that have history for 1000's of years and the only ones I know are the ones that are Native American mythology that are vampire-like beings.
The most common is the Navajo "skin walker", a being that eats people and feasts in their blood. There is a thread on skinwalkers .. I do believe.. :)
There are stories from New Orleans but most people are right, they came over here with immigrants mostly. If Native Americans have some it goes by another name but people depend too much on the word vampire to mean every creature like that and the name varies by language and culture.
Consider American history with it's indigenous people, how long ago the settlers came, and the location compared to Europe. There won't be any stories of vampires or anything in places like New Zealand and Australia for the same reasons.
Oops not finished... the only vampire myths would come from the indigenous people of the Americas, the Indians and so on.
the vampire they are in the most part of world but they don't let the others show the beacause the most of them on magical groupes enjoy the darkness
I think it's mainly because we are still a very young country, so we don't have a really deep history.
I do know however that there is countless Native American stories of the "Cold People" as they like to call us and other myths about demon that suck blood.
For everyone suggesting that America is a young country- there is a massive amount of history prior to Columbus, and suggesting otherwise is an uneducated euro-centric response.
Just like other regions of the world have myths and folklore, so do natives throughout the Americas. One such Inuit legend centers on the Ekimmu, an undead creature that roams the Earth. According to some, the Ekimmu was even able to turn others.
If you are speaking about books and movies, there are plenty of stories of vampires based in america, but if you mean something that sounds more realistic...i would have to agree with the "skin walkers" and im sure if we really wanted to dig in the Native American culture and ask of their stories, I'm sure there will be some related to a being as such, as there is a being described in many countries and cultures around the globe of their version of a vampire.
There were people coming and going, long before the Mayflower settlers. We don't know really who was indigenous to this place. They even think Vikings were here long before people thought. I have seen the stories on the Ekimmu but like everything else no one agrees about these things. We just consider some to be Natives but anthropologists say they migrated here from elsewhere. So the stories and superstitions would come along with them and eventually evolve from the original since most things were of oral tradition and also as other cultures blended. Many vampire stories do come out of southern regions and werewolf too. I would suspect those originated with the Spanish and French. This is why you cannot be dependent on the word "vampire." It is one of many words used to describe like creatures.
The only vampire legends of America I've heard are the ones that TheCryingDuchess mentions. Not alot of Native American legends include bloodsuckers.
As for popular literature, you can always read the Anita Blake series by Laurel K. Hamilton, in addition to Stephen King and Anne Rice.
I came across two Native American Myths with their version of vampires:
U'tlunta: A Cherokee ogress whose normal form is that of an old woman but she can shapeshift to anything that suits her purpose. Her skin is hard as rock and nearly impenetrable and her special weapon is a long stonehard forefinger that she uses to stab whomever she encounters. She slaughters people, drinking their blood and eating their livers. This creature is much feared.
U`tlun'ta, The Spear-Finger
Jumlin: A powerful evil spirit featured in Native American creation myths. He tricked a Medicine Man to bring him across into this world by making him promises and by veiling most of his power. This cruel creature then possessed the medicine man and began feeding upon the blood of living things, first forest animals, then horses, then people. His power grew and he became voracious. Finally in the throes of one of his dreadful feeding frenzies some warriors managed to kill him. But a son he begat with a human woman escaped. This son shares his father's nature and he and his brothers and sisters are said to still walk the earth.
The Tale of the Jumlin
I am glad to see other people posting Native American legends. It astounds me that we have lists of vampire like creatures from the Americas, but we still have people coming on and saying, "I don't think so."
So far we have mentioned vampire like creatures among the Aztecs, Mayans, Inuit, Cherokee, and the Navajo people. Skin walkers, Chupacabra, U'tlunta, Jumlin, and Ekimmu, are just some of the legendary creatures we have discussed so far.
Use the forum search to find past discussions on this very topic, or play around with google to learn about the many possible American vampires!
You must have missed them. there are tales of vampires in America - many from New England area (Such as Mercy Brown and her entire family) and also New Orleans.
Most of the vampire stories in the U.S. are the ones you read about in books and see in the movies. You're right though - there aren't many U.S.-born vampire legends. Time to do some research on Wikipedia!
Well I don't live in America so I wouldn't really know, but I think that one of the first posts hit it right on the head - vampire myths do not originate in America! Same here in England.
And I agree with the post about New Orleans - Lestat having lived there and all :)
Lol (jk)
VP ~ Do you mean the outcasts of even the sub-cultures?
The truly solitairy ones who talk and befriend no one?
Would vampires not seek to learn more about their prey by becoming one of them? Doing things that regular mortals such as myself would do?
Thanks PSI VAMPIRE that was most informative, while we are talking about vampires in the americas, It has been stated that our country is by far to young to have theses legends or stories. I disagree, we just need to remember that we are not the only civilization to call this home. I am almost always amazed at how much refference there is to vampires throughout the world. It is by far not just a slavic myth. Even the ancient chinese who had no discourse with western civilazation have there own myths pertaining to vampire like beings.
America is a very NEW country in the context of history, so I would go as far to say that IF there are such, they are not as deeply rooted as in say Europe or Japan. Maybe except for in the realm of pop-culture, which the good old U$A leads the world in.. hence you see all the vampire commodities (books, movies, etc).
Because today american minds have been twisted by hollywood and has destoryed every true stories of vampiric history. People have rejected them ever since the first vampire movie came to pass.
Aside from the "roleplayers" and "lifestylers", there have been cases in New Orleans such as the 1977 vampire like murder that happened outside the Urseline Convent on Chartres street.
Two journalists were wanting to prove the legend of the Urseline vampires wrong, when their bodies were found drained of bloody and laying on the doorstep of the Urseline Convent itself.
It is an actual case and the file is in the city archives.
Or the case of John and Wayne Carter, in the 1940's who were reknowned blood drinkers, they were put to death by execution via the electric chair. But, after a couple of years, they were seen once more at their old residence. Their crypts were broken open by the authorities only to find empty beds. Not even ash was present.
Such are cases that are represented by the Haunted History Tours Vampire Tour of New Orleans.
"The ancient Mayans and Aztecs of what is now Central America had their own myths relating to vampire like creatures, which is not surprising considering they shared their land with vampire bats. The lord of the underworld in Aztec mythology had vampiric aspects, though rather than feeding on the blood of the living he ate the spirits of the recently deceased. The Mayans told of the god of the caves, a part-bat part-human creature, called Camazotz. He was a particularly unsavoury character, and feared by the Mayan people - though not feared enough that he was not a popular subject for art, easily identified by his claws and rodent nose."
Vampires Around the World
Well this made me think about my native Americans, you could call us all vampires, because the white man drove off the Indians, and some said they drank the blood of the white man to show their hate.
depending on the tribe, they might have drank the blood of any other tribe. remember, the first amer indians that europeans met just thought of them as another tribe... to use an analogy, the comanche migrated into the area that today is texas. they tribe that was already there was attacked and driven away (they became the apache). the comanche was a strong warrior people, and when the mexicans and later, the americans came into their area, they attacked them and took their horses. (and no...the comanche were not american...at least in their minds...they were comanche!). theu would burn houses down to collect the nails to make steel arrow heads (till they went over to firearms). i respect them greatly as warriors and as people, but some of their practices (with captives) would have been too much for me to watch.
sorry, this is my personal little peave when people want to lump all the amer indians into one pot...didnt work that way. personally im cheokee, so there! lol
i do know that there were blood drinking rituals, but i dont know of anything that we would really think of as vampirism amoung the plains tribes. dont recall any stories of someone needing to drink blood.
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You've missed them.
Check out Nancy Kilpatrick, Laurell K. Hamilton, Stephanie Meyer, Anne Rice....
Okay, seriously, there's plenty of books on vampires in America.
I don't believe they're talking about fictional stories. But, if I don't misunderstand, the mythology of the vampire in America.
You find a lot more myths about the vampire in other, older countries because of the fact that they have been around a lot longer then America. As it is, America is only going on about three hundred years as a nation. And in that time we haven't developed a strong mythology.
personally i was curious about actual stories of vampirism in the u.s.
i am aware of a few but very few.
the mythological ones, the tales and lore, are also interesting. not really sure what the original question was concerning at this point lol.
as for books by anne rice....i had no idea where he was going with that.
~W~
Hope this helps this is an Native American ledgend
http://www.geocities.com/vampiricstudies/native.html
The clans within the US is a keep secrect by it members. We don't want media attention. That is the reason.
I believe markus666 is spot on. There are Vampires that exist in America, and have been for centuries. We choose to remain hidden from the media. However, there is of beings often referred to as 'The Reptillian's'. From the constellation of Alpha Draconis. They are intermingled in society, they mostly hold political positions, and are of the very elite! They basically run the world.
The Native Americans referred to them as 'The Serpent People'. Their caves were discovered in 1934 in underground caves in California. Alex Collier has a more indepth breakdown of them as well, you can google them both. The Reptillians are also behind the cattle mutilations, the world's banking crisis,and the child abductions. Deep huh?
It is said that they may choose to reveal themselves before or in 2012.
Other than that, that's all of the information I have.
One book you might find interesting, is "Piercing The Darkness: Undercover With Vampires In America Today." by Katherine Ramsland.
Some parts of it, I'd recommend taking with a grain of salt, (the "Wraith" stuff, not the Susan Walsh stuff.) but otherwise it's a pretty decent look at the vampire subculture (including the New York scene) from the life-stylers to the role-players.
The myth of vampires started in europe and basically remain there