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Many that I know believe that vampires feel very little emotion, and very little love. Vampires so they say, go through the motions, but the intent is to feed, and move on.

Those that I know who are vampires (including myself) seem to have deeper feelings than others, and while it may take more to open oneself to love and lower the defenses, once they are down, when a relationship ends, it seems to be a gutting pain.

So, what are your thoughts? less emotions, or more?

Note: This isn't a thread to debate your beliefs on whether or not vamps are real...this thread is for those that believe to discuss thoughts on the subject...

thank you
~W~

I can speak only of historical vampirism rather than that popularized in Western pop culture. I'm sure there are many who can and will speak to their views on the latter.

As a vampire's true "hunger and thirst" is not material (nor psy/pranic) in nature, then... as should be apparent by mere process of elimination... it is in the emotional and spiritual that the true Vampire of history is most specifically different from all others. And it is in the romantic sensual, where both of the former find their ultimate expression with another, that the Vampire is most specifically unique and for which he was very specifically vilified and demonized by the Christian male hierarchy.

Thus... it is not so much that the Vampire has "more" emotion but rather that his capacity for emotional, spiritual and sensual expression and fulfillment with another simply has no boundaries, no limits, no depths or heights unknown to him... just as there are no such limits or boundaries in the emotional, sensual and spiritual capacities of females. They two... females in general and the Vampire male... are true equals. Both are emotionally, spiritually and romantically/sensually... "insatiable" by current Human norms.


- Upir'

I would think that in this sense, one would have less emotion, for fact that eventually they're going to use the person.

why?

why do you think the person loved would eventually be "used"?

the other side of that might be...do we not all use each other? for companionship? for sex? for conversation? to help move the bloody clothes washer? lol
love is love....
~W~

I just can't see forming an emotional tie with someone if I was to use them for blood. That's their life you're draining away. I don't know. Just my opinion on it.

As depicted in Westernized mythologies and fiction, the portrayal of the vampire as a predator would make a rather pronounced indifference to the suffering of his victims almost a foregone conclusion, of course. This makes perfect sense... for the Vampire of Westernized pop culture.

Not all fictional vampires are shown to be unfeeling but that many are overcome by the "need to feed." Some are saddened by their condition but when that need begins, it over-rules their senses. I think in a sense in the real world that vampirics generally feel deeply because they have or most I have associated with have heightened sensory awareness. I also believe it is something one cannot generalize about because I think this varies somewhat by individual. This is my personal opinion of course from my own experiences. I wouldn't say less or more but just the nature of the beast to be sensitive to their surroundings and somewhat empathic depending on the person.

I will walk the path of Upir's post:

In my perspective, being vampire... I have little emotions for those who do not walk on their own, nor have any common sense to live their own lives, i.e. the sheeple masses of the world.

Further, my emotions are few and far between... I care very little for very few people. But, when I do care for someone or a few in particular that I believe to be important in my life, then my emotions extend to 100% fold. I erupt in a volcano of emotion. I can turn the emotional side of me off at anytime, actively.

As I can feel others emotions (empathy), I have had to differentiate between my emotions and theirs. At times, it does get confusing. But when one learns the difference it makes things all the easier.

I am unsure if this correlates with Upir's historical perspective, or if it borderlines the western cultural thought process in perspective... but this is my perspective, so take it for what it's worth.

I believe it has to do with an individual's make up.(person)
There are so many non Vampires who are self centred to the point where they really do just use others,while some are so emotional,they cling to everyone and do for others to the point of detriment .

As far as I have seen,Vampires exibit no real differences as far as emotion as any regular person does.On either end of the scale.

I feel spurts of emotion, but its few and far between-- it feels intensified, and can sometimes be hard to control. However being PROTECTIVE, is always one of the strongest.

Personal thought, of course.

I have to say that Upir's post makes sense to me, especially in relation to the vampire that Upir refers to.

Upir's vampire is sated only by a very intense connection and I cannot see how that could possibly happen without a strong emotional 'surge' of feeling.

Less. Vampires relies in their abilities to survive. If they let their Feelings and emotions get in their way, then, they will not make it. They are creatures that depend in others to be alive, and for them, the others are just food. Do not compared the Vampires of the Hollywood Movies, with the "real" Vampires. If you read stories about Vampires and their "wives" you will find out that all die years after their marriages. so, that is my humble opinion.

I, for one, would very much enjoy learning to which accounts Markus refers regarding the wives of historical vampires living so briefly following their marriages. Thanks in advance.

I'm going to vote for "more emotion" as in, more powerful emotions, stronger emotions.

Which also include high positive emotions, the joy of the chase being one I might mention but of course, there are many others ...

:-)

In the Bram Stoker account: Dracula is seeking to recover from a lost love, so there would have to be emotion involved, to a great degree. A Vampire having awareness, would have thew ability to love, hate, whatever.

I think that it depends. Some have less emotion while others have more. It depends on each Vamp though. However, Vamps are normal people in every sense but with a different lifestyle and feed of energy or blood.

I am a Psi Vamp and have the same emotions as a normal person would as well as feelings like everyone else. I love, live, laugh. The only difference is that I feed off energy when need to and get permission from nature before feeding.

vampires still have there human emotion just some vampires take on to a more darker path an others blend in with humans. not all vamp[s are out to use people , some vamps power hungry others blood hungry and most just live there life , just as humans are the same greed,power ,love ,hate.

Markus may be refering to, Upir... the vampires who were newly dead and went back to their loved ones to have a final encounter with the wives. Old folkloric tales tell of these happenings.

I think vampires have greater emotion. Espicially older ones because they have expirienced so much, learned how to handle things, and know what to expect. I think knowing how something will end makes it even harder....

Far more emotion. With feelings of the ages and old hearts and souls, it would be impossible for one to have less emotion.

To answer this. Yes Vampires feel emotions very little or no emotions at all. Once the vampire realizes that dying really has no meaning to them at all. They themselves believe that they are immortal. Yes, they are. Key factors of why vampires feel so little or none at all is for one main reason. What is there to fear?

A vampire becomes disattached to the world, feeling no more emotions than that of hunger and the time of sleep to avoid the sun's gaze. In the phases of a vampire turning. They feel alive the first years they are turned. They are emotional as humans on these first years. They fear, love, compassionately hunger. They have an optomistic view of the world anew. As years go by. The vampire turned becomes disinterested in mortals as they once were mortals themselves. Finding it that fearing something that will never come, as mortals do on a day to day basis. Vampires on the other hand just drop the emotion of Fear all together. Why fear? Why fight the ays of immortality to suffer through all the times that you can not sire a child? Hence. When a vampire turns and becomes old enough and strong enough of the mind. They completely lose their ability to feel emotions at all. The Fear of Death to Mortals is the number one cause of Emotions being so sacred to them. Vampires see this as a weakness if a Vampire shows signs of emotions on their faces and in their body language. Thus, the gracefulness of a Vampires lilth frame and easeof fluid motions.

:D That is all to say. Thanks for reading.

You are correct miss level 8 but I am guessing as one who should know, thats not the end of the story, We sometimes use time to reconfigure a normal life. We learn to lead a normal life though that which lurks within always has to be countered.

By factor of gender. I am a male. I am what you call a Malice. A male who looks feminine. Deadly combination for a Vampire.

And most of the time. It'd take a vampire over 500 years to realize what you are speaking of alone. But in a group type. They realize it, depending on who is and how old the said vampires are in the group to come to their senses and build a society that they can both show, feel, and be one with everyone else. Like living again, which is typically a vampire's own creativity on how they view the world in the eyes of an immortal who can not die (Unless in the sun's gaze) and having the knowledge of the millenias behind them to act as proof that once the society takes place and builds up. That elder can be infact their leader, through wisdom and the ways of the vampires. Also on how to tap into many parts of the brain. Vampires typically use from 10% to 20% of their brain power. Psionics and Pshycic vampires have a rang of 30% to a 40% brain power. Stronger, yes. But 80% of the time Pshycics and Psionics vampires go mad within the span of 60 years before they come to their senses with all the knowledge building up inside their heads.

Same ol' VR... far too many 'ancients.'

Vampyres and mundane persons both have the ability to shut off their emotions if needed.

Vampyres are not immortals, only their soul-- and only those who feel that way, as not everyone does.

Many will agree in the point that Love is eternal, as a broken Heart can be.

True. But some insanely Vampires. Such as one from a book I read. close to this debate infact. The book is called "Interview ith the Vampire" The Vampire Chronicles. Pretty basic on how some vampires actually think of Immortality of a society like this. If you'd read it for a few. You'd find out much more on a different point of view on how to take this debate further.

Scientifically.. Vampire can live immortal through the science of modern tech. Just puting that out there. Because now Mundanes can reach immortality through science.

I've read the books, as well as those written by fellow HLV.

....but who truly is immortal and has the 'papers' to prove it, hmm?

Noone can prove to be immortal. Unless having the understanding of the millenias gone by. Pure intelligence would be the proof needed. Unlikely it seems.

I've actually met pretty smart people. Though slightly.. Just call them special in a way.

"With great knowledge comes the great price."

Intelligence is relative. Its what is truly retained that matters.

"With great knowledge comes great responsibility."

Also, paperwork is paperwork. If you have a way to trace yourself in singularity through a century or two, knowledge is again, relative.

I have met some vampires and they seem to not show emotion .I believe it depends on said individual and what type of vampire they are .

According to the replies I have read thus far,it appears that Vampires arent any different than "Mundanes" when it comes to emotions.
And it stands to reason.
As far as immortality goes..and correct me if I am wrong,but it is said that Vampires have no soul.And what soul they DID have,is "Damned".So how can they be immortal through the spirit if they have lost their soul upon becoming a Vampire?
Thats for another thread though,but the latest replies got me thinking about that..

Love the way you think, Oceanne. Of course, I'm sure the fact that you actually do think has a lot to do with it. ;)

Your point re: immortality of a "soul" that vampires are not supposed to possess is a great one for all the quite-mortal "HLV"s out there who must find a way to re-invent this "vampire" trait to justify their claims to being a "vampire." Would love to comment further on what history tells us about the vampire's supposed "immortality," but that would be fodder for a different topic.

With respect to a vampire's emotions, we find that even the fictional vampire can have just as varied degrees of emotion as do Humans and as has been pointed out. After all, the fiction writers who created their characters are themselves also Human, too.

I think emotional intensity is relative to who your dealing with . To outsiders to whom you have no interest or want to deal with , you would show very little emotion , and so you may come across as cold or uncaring . On the other hand to those you love you give allot of emotional energy and they give it to you , this creates great bonds of emotional dependence . I think this is true of everyone vampire and mundane's alike .

To control our emotions is a very good way to control our energy output where others are concerned . To be cold and emotionally withdrawn from others is shielding at it's most basic . I,ve also read of a man who had such explosive bouts of rage that whoever he directed it at would loose consciousness . I think emotions are expressions of the soul and are a very powerful way of effecting others . Being aware of our own subtle emotions and how they effect those around us is important for everyone especially vampires who want to instigate energy exchange in this way . I,m reminded here of the connection between bi-polar disorder with it's extreme cycling of emotions and vampirism .

On a more personal note i find that if the will to feed is powered by some kind of emotion such as love or hate it makes the experience much more satisfying . The insatiable apatite to hunt someone on the astral is often accompanied by a wild exstatic delight an emotion that is truly electrifying . The more you allow a particular emotion to fill you up the more power you derive from it . Directing this emotional energy at a subject will effect an even greater release of energy from them . Love can be turned into ecstasy , hate into fear whatever pleases you most . In conclusion i'd have to say that my vampiric side is very much dictated by the whim of my deep emotions and i feel this to be a strength .

It could also depend on that particular vamp. Some humans are more emotional than others... why should we generalize vampyres?

Im with you Chica ,its about individuality of Vamp.
It is the same with humans.
So where do we look for the difference/s that set the vampire apart from mortal man?

I'm also in agreement with Chica and Oceanne. Humans vary in emotional depths, so why not vampires?
I'd like to think that vampires have a capacity for deeper emotions, mainly because they can - and have - heightened awareness on many levels, which can be attained by their longevity.

First off I would like to thank the more intelligent members for returning to the original topic... it was getting a bit dry, what with the "immortal" crap talk that was being spewed.

Anyway... if a vampire were to be immortal (folkloric), then they would more then likely know emotion very well since who ever they grew attached with, died, then the vampire would know heart break and heartache more then any living creature on earth.

Those who like to think they are immortal, really need to show proof of this... like civil war issued documents or something that they can prove they were there. Until that time, STFU about that crap talk.

Thanks Upir..:) I guess I have a moment every so often.

I have a question for you..If the Vampire male is equal to females in general,(I am guessing you mean the normal human female)would you say that the female vampire might beyond them? Emotionwise? Or because of lust,do they tend to become indifferent ?

Vampires are a varied as humans if not more so. Depending on the lifestyle lived is usually how to determine the amount of effort put into controlling the emotions that can be considered weak. Because that's really all it is. Control and the type of control. Some see me as indifferent and uncareing while others know me as loving and actually very emotional. It depends on both the individual vamp as well as the company in which they present themselves.
So it's best not to generalize.

You have described humans to the T.
Again I ask,how do Vampires differ from "Mundanes" when it comes to emotion?

Those who don't know the hardship of a vampires life, will judge them and say all they want is blood. It's painful to hear this, as I know that all they want is not blood, but life. They crave the human emotions that they have lost over the years of their existence. The emotions they posses as the living dead, are weak and painful. Until they can finally adjust and feel at ease with their new ways, with feeding on the living, spending their life in the shadows, an eternity of solitude, they are going to be a bit, grouchy, but who wouldn't be. It's when they finally see what they can do, with the new life that they've been given, that they can finally feel the emotions that hide beneath the blood lust. Vampires do not feel as much emotions as humans do. However the few emotions they do feel are stronger than one can ever imagine...I know

Sounds almost like a meth user who looses 20 years of their lives to the dope They are as close to being living dead as any vampire.They get clean and the same thing basically happens to them too.
While actually a beautiful description,where is the difference between the vampire and human that makes a vampire different?

Emotionally there is no difference between vampires and humans. No difference in the capacity to feel.

Upir, thank you so much for your insightful post.
Strange how it all comes down to gender isnt it? and how people are now always telling guys to "get in touch with their femine side."
;)

So if thats the case, then it stands to reason,since all women are vampire, vampire MIGHT be considered a bit more emotional than men, as opposed to humans.

I feel they have more because they are very sensual and can feel more then we can.

They just some how hide it or keep to themselves but at rate they tuned into a humans emotions they feed on them to make the blood sweeter or just to feed on the emotion the person gives off

Oceanne, well... it's not so much that it all comes down to gender... but that it all comes down to us (men and women) valuing and learning from one another. Only by so doing can we each overcome the very different kinds of limitations inherent to each gender such that, ultimately, we become One and reach our full potentials.

However, where men are concerned there is a very glaring and far more limiting physiological barrier that greatly hamstrings a man's emotional and spiritual perspectives and potentials that results in a vicious catch-.22 cycle from which he cannot easily (if at all) escape. And while women have much to learn from men, too, yet they do not possess such a hamstringing equivalent to the barrier of which I speak that prevents men from fully experiencing and, thus, fully integrating what... LOVE... truly is and can be in all its facets. And it is this that limits him so profoundly in all other areas.

As the Gospels of Thomas and Philip reveal... despite some corrupting Gnostic overtones... this is what the historical Jesus attempted to repair and resolve. This was his true mission. All taught by Paul and the rest twisted who he was from the truth to what served them, alone, as his pretended successors. But... that is a different topic altogether.

now there is definitely some kind of difference in emotion between vamps and humans...

in my opinion, it depends on the experiences the vampyre has been forced to deal with and how they reacted.

But i dont think that every vamp can be classified with more emotion or less.

I believe it truly depends on the Vamp.
Just as all humans do not feel the same emotional stability nor does any other creature vampire or non.
It wouldnt be right to just say that all Vampires as a collective group feel only one way.

I believe that they have had years of pratice at hiding their true feelings. I do think they feel and have emotions just like anyone. I believe that they can love someone rather it's another human or another vampire. They may just want to show those feelings in private instead of in public.

It all depends on what type of vampire they are. Some have more emotions people and others have less. It all just depends on what type of vampire they are

why would it depend on the type of Vampire Goddess?

I agree with what several have posted. Just as humans, and other creatures, are just as varied with emotions so are vampires.
There are some who prefer to keep emotions private, the sort who 'wear their hearts on their sleeve', the kind who honestly form a vague sense of emotional attachment, and those who simply do not care.

I dont see why a vampire would have any different sort of emotional range than a non-vampire.

Now I will agree with ladyzenyxia, But I will go just a bit further. I will just come out to say it would have to depend on the "vampire" I honestly don't believe that you change much more than physically, If and when turned. I don't believe that you would truly change how and what you fel from human to vampire. And to be honest, I have never heard of heir feelings getting stonger or weaker after being turned, just more so of the natural 5 senses. Who says that their emotions have to get stornger ? Why should you automatically assume that that change would happen? So like I said , it all depends on the person before they changed.

Well, from personal experience I started with more but am cursed to feel no love only anger and pain now so less

I tend to be influenced by what others are feeling around me. And when I do have emotions they usually run on the very high or extremely low scale. I tend to be manic in that way. However I many moments where i feel little or no emotion where a normal person would feel something...even a little. And this is all my personal experience and opinion. I am on the fence about this one. I feel it goes both ways but to the extreme it seems, at least for me.

Ok here's the math, yes many are more emotional.
The reason being the connections in the brain burn and re-use pathways;
Thus with continual use and just like a martial artist or an extreme athlete, the thought process is enhanced and focused- like a lighthouse beam.
Drugs and chemicals inhibit neuro receptors but users learn to channel thoughts. Thus side strings and distractions of normal thought are cut short intensifying this beam.
This beam can pierce other realms, some imaginary, some real.
Hence the connection between the occult, emotion and abusing substances on previous forum threads. Of course those who cheat using substances have a shorter half life.The meditation types fair better, though without doubt a pre-disposition for extreme emotion is an advantage.
And Yes I do believe most are born this way. One either has the ability to focus and pierce or one does not.
A very difficult thing for a normal person to master but I stand to be corrected.

I feel they have less.
then again, an empathic vampire is forced to have more, due to the emotional draw.

but on the same coin, they have a better sense of life, so they could have more.

it could go either way really, depending..

What do you mean by "a better sense of life" Toxic?

I would have to go on less feeling. Being dead and the only needs would be the hunger that a vampire would have. Emotion less on the victims they prey on. Yet Hollywood has given the vampire feelings of love and hate. Yet who is to really know how a predators action or feeling is at the time of it's conquest or if remorse comes after the kill. Folklore has a different version or tale of a vampire being emotionless monster.

I feel vampires have more emotions because of the level of sensory we are able to feel. Being a psy vamp, i often experience strong emotions from those i feed on.

But so do humans.Humans are very empathetic naturally.
How does vampire differ?Especially since they are human as well.

I meant by they can harness that empathic ability and use it completely, as a human has a mere part of it. That's why empaths actual empaths enjoy weird things, but also have a better sense of right and wrong, even if they choose to do wrong.

Every human on this planet is empathetic,or an actual empath.unless they have a neuro problem or disease etc...
Some people just like the weird stuff.Like all of us here on VR.



Thank you for answering my question though,and while I got you here,Please let me ask,since Vampires began as humans,even in myth and lore,what makes them inhuman now,and how do they manipulate prana any more or differently than a monk ,shaman ,scorceress /sorcerer,or anyone else is happens to be very good at doing it also?

If anyone is interested in the evidence of my statement,start with this...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20627565.600-empathetic-mirror-neurons-found-in-humans-at-last.html



How do you think a vampire gain would more of these mirror neurons ?

This is also a good link about emotion and empathy..

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/2334

I think a vampire would have more emotion. Real vampires see more in a lifetime than mortals do. So, in that case, they feel more. I also think they have higher energy when it comes to emotions in general. They sense more, desire more, long for more.. so in return, their emotions are higher.

I find that a pretty interesting statement considering Vampires,who supposedly lack energy and "feed" off people to obtain it would be at a higher frequency.Humans in general,draw emothional energy from others because it is in our make up to do this as social beings.

Also,they have seen more of life? Would please clarify that for me because I know MANY self proclaimed vampires who,in fact,havent seen much of anything and spend a lot of their time at the computer.

Regardless of what some people think,the body is going to die.It wears out.Not to mention being torn up by free radicals and other enviromental issues..It dies.No ifs,ands or buts.

So my question to you is ,how is the modern day vampire any more immortal then the normal human?

Thanks for your time in this because I cant seem to find the reasoning behind a statement like that,and believe me,I really am trying to understand.

they have the same emotion as any one elsa

And seriously,think about this..What would a vampire really "long for"? In this day and age,with the technology that we have ,as well as convience,and more than enough people who are willing to be donars,what would there be that a vampire cannot obtain?
I would think that a being as we understand the vampire to be,would actually be lacking in energy ,(otherwise why "feed"?)thus vibrating at a lower frequency..and an eratical one at that.

All Im saying is that every "vampire" I have ever met or known,arent anymore empathic than normal humans.

My statement may not hold true for all vampires. In my opinion, I think they view the world different therefore have seen more. The vampires I know have a different outlook and perspective on life. They look at things far differently than most humans. I, myself, look at things differently than most, but I don't consider myself to be a vampire. You don't have to share in my opinion, I was just replying :)

And I thank you for that.You are correct,we do not hold the same outlook,but that is the beauty of this forum.Its diverse and we all can learn from one another.

Let me ask you...HOW is a vampires perspective different from another human?
Please give us an example comparative if you would.
And HOW is a vampire not human anymore?He was to begin with.

It doesn't have to be just a vampire perspective. All human perspectives differ. Some of us see the glass half full, others half empty, and some just don't give a crap. Same way with feelings and emotions. Some of us keep them on the inside, others wear their heart on their sleeve.

I can't give you a set example for a vampire. I'm not a vampire. I think I stated that already. But I can assure you that the way I feel about things will differ from the way you feel about things. Vampires are the same way... and I never said they weren't humans.

The same way,only with more emotion,or passion is what youre saying.In other words,you cannot shed light on my questions.
Thanks anyway.;)

"Thus... it is not so much that the Vampire has "more" emotion but rather that his capacity for emotional, spiritual and sensual expression and fulfillment with another simply has no boundaries, no limits, no depths or heights unknown to him... just as there are no such limits or boundaries in the emotional, sensual and spiritual capacities of females. They two... females in general and the Vampire male... are true equals. Both are emotionally, spiritually and romantically/sensually... "insatiable" by current Human norms. "

Upir,I do understand your context,because I know your your research,and in that context,it brings up an interesting point..Insatiable as opposed to "emotional.
In that respect,it makes sense.

i think some of us have more emotion than others, such as a sang. would have less since they feed off blood. where as a phi. feeds off energy and emotions, so therefore it has the ability to feed

Just like with humans it depends on the person.

I say it all varies, not all vampires functions the same. Some may be more sensitive to emotions some may not.

As a psionic or psi vampire I can tell you what I feel from the emotional spectrum is much deeper and more intense than that of a mundane... Plus I often feel a lot of the static emotions of those around me.
This becomes problematic when I feed because I tend to take on many of the personality traits of those I have feed from. It can be awkward at best because I'm not always sure my emotions are my own and my partner has to be constantly mindful of what she is thinking and feeling at that moment.

Plain and simple...

Magic...


( sorry, took a while to reply )

I feel very little emotion. In my life and so far i will be 42 yrs old next month. I can say this for sure. I have never felt real love accepted for my own child. I feel no emotion on my everyday life. When i do feel something i chalk it up to the mundane world trying to get to me. So i through it out my window and don't feel that again. I do like this feeling. I sit back and let my friends fall in love and when there heart is breaking i just say see you all have a useless emotion for the mortal men of this world. This is something i will never feel. If we feel anything i walk away and it goes away. I come to realize being a vampire like i am will always be alone path. You may come to find a mate or you may not. But the journey your on is the fun part. This is how i am always will be.

I would say that vamps have more but burry it deep, so most people never see the real pain that goes on in a vamp head.
When a vamp gives there hart to another it has to be a sure thing or they will almost take there own life.
A vamp will love forever there mate.
They can be the coldest evalest person on earth if someone upsets them,

I haven't posted in this forum in years, but you guys sucked me in. Part of the problem in answering this question is that the parameters are too broad. People are answering it based on personal definitions of the term, "Vampire."

Oceanne and Upir have set out their parameters, but they certainly aren't in agreement about what a vampire is as they seek to answer the question.

Imagine my surprise to find that the words "woman" and "vampire" are synonymous. That will go over well at the Feminist meetings ;)

People answering this from the traditional western definitions, (translation - LITERATURE) will likely answer that they have less emotions. The whole living dead thing and all. Those imagining a psi vampire, will likely answer that they have more, or at least feed from them when feeling depleted. Then there are the myriad other definitions about what defines a vampire...some new definitions being invented as we speak.

So, what do I think? In a post this long, you probably don't care anymore...but I'd start with defining my parameters. Vampires are people. (Translation - HUMAN. If you are not human, I think it's reasonable to request documented proof.) They identify themselves as having a lack of energy in a given area and seek to take that from a host. As such, I would see no reason why vampirism would affect the emotions any more than any other human variances, from relatively "normal" to the emotionally disturbed. I would expect the ranges to be similar given a cross section sampling of populations.

Upir, it seems your definition has grown since last I read your position...admittedly over 2 years ago. I thought it was solely based on sexual performance/endurance of the offspring of fallen angls and mortal women. I remember you supporting that with evidence from a clinical study. Have I forgotten something vital that now explains your gender assertions?

I'm done. You can wake up now :)

I think Im in shock Joli.
I thought Id never see tbhis,but what an awesome post.

"Vampires are people. (Translation - HUMAN. If you are not human, I think it's reasonable to request documented proof.) They identify themselves as having a lack of energy in a given area and seek to take that from a host. As such, I would see no reason why vampirism would affect the emotions any more than any other human variances, from relatively "normal" to the emotionally disturbed. I would expect the ranges to be similar given a cross section sampling of populations."

This has been my stance all along.

Well of course people are going to give you their own personal perspective on the topic... I mean is it even possible for me to give someone else's perspective??

Any idea that someone puts forth is always based on their own experiences, and then followed by what they might have heard from another's point of view.
In short you are the sum of your experiences. What you feel or don't feel is going to be based on that, your age, sex, and heritage may play some small roles but very little.
Vampires and mundane a like all feel things but at different levels and at different stages of their life. People often are in a state of flux with emotions, waxing and waning through out the span of their lives. What could cause a specific emotion today may change with time. You often hear people say phrases that reflect this, like "that never bothered me till I had kids of my own".
Again, life experiences change your perspective which in turn changes your point of view and ultimately how you react to those things.

Perspective on the question of "more or less emotion" would be perfectly acceptable. That's what the question is asking...your opinion on that.

What I'm saying is that we can't really get to that question without defining the subject we are surmising about.

For example...if I asked you if cheddar cheese tasted more salty or more sweet in your opinion, we could actually answer and even debate the veracity of our opinions because we begin from an understanding of what cheddar cheese is.

If, however, cheddar cheese had mythical properties and an amorphous definition like maybe it might fly around in a cape and shapeshift, or might want to have draining sex with a partner, or might be a sexy sparkly teen boy who looks spiffy in black and wants to shove a juice box straw in your neck...

Well, we'd really not be both discussing the same topic, would we? It would be kinda pointless to answer, "I think cheddar cheese is more salty!"

Joli, that makes me want to see a topic based on what people think of "Garlic" and how it has mythical meaning in protecting people. o.o

As for vampires, well, if "Vampire" terms are in the draining sense, then I'd say they had less emotion. It takes less emotion to be a "monster" even if a monster is supposed to be "cute, mysterious, ect" Yes, everyone is human, but I'm thinking of this in different terms.

Monster meaning- "something monstrous; especially: a person of unnatural or extreme ugliness, deformity, wickedness, or cruelty."

Meaning, that they'd have less emotion if they wanted to be harmful, and cruel.

And Vampire as in -
"a person who preys ruthlessly upon others; extortionist."

Which explains that a person (vampire) would "prey" upon people for themselves, not being considerate to others, thus feeling less awful in the end. Keywords, "feeling less."

I do love it when the silent "oldies" get sucked in, and they do...
It all comes down to definition in the end, something everyone struggles with. Those that "know" mostly define it as supernatural, then we have the scientists who want proof,
then the god squad who kinda suspect somethings going down and its all Satans fault.
I often find the truth is in the middle so my bet is there are some DNa issues and some "supernatural" changes from other dimensions that mean the real folks have a far wider emotional spectrum than most and the ability to switch off. Just the sort of thing you would expect of the next generation of humans.
Me, I am still in the middle, waiting to jump into the winning camp( Coz logically, that's the smart play) BTW after 6 years of VR, who is winning this battle for hearts and minds.
I seriously have no idea but its fun to watch.

Really??

Joli I respect your opinion and all but do we really need to define exactly what a vampire is to a group of vampires??
That would be like telling a group of parents they can't talk about their kids without first clearly defining the parameters of childhood.
With out some allowable level of ambiguity this thread will very quickly take on less of a discussion and more of a debate.

If any thing we should save that for a separate thread... Maybe ask what it is personally that defines the term Vampyre / Vampire for them.

Kids are kids.There is no two ways around that Serv.
You cant define something when there is simply nothing but opinion to substanceate it. One camp saying one thing and calling everyone else who opposes that belief posers,fake etc..The other,doing exactly the same thing to the other camp.

Thing is,no matter what we really decide what a vampire is,from the get go,they are all human.And unless something makes them otherwise,( DNA and other testing have yet to reveal anything)they are going to experience emotions like everyone else.

The reality of vampirism,unless you go with what Upir suggests, you're basically screwed across the board. Vampires ,from all aspects have deficits.Im sorry,but that would not make them "enhanced" in anyway.
You just cant really glorify it.

Its just an opinion,but seriously,why do you think that it is considered a curse.
Curses dont make one better ,they mess you up.

Come to think of it though,I might get a little emotional if I felt I had been cursed to live the rest of my days as a vampire,as depicted by stories and folklore.

Some people feel the need to call things a curse. I think of "curses" as empowerment. Then again, I agree with the fact that 'vampires' are human, so emotion would be the same. Then again if a vampire is supposed to be a 'feeder' and 'monster' then they feel then need to be happy by making others feel bad.

Every human I know is a"feeder" in one way or another.

*the not then in one sentence. -Sorry- Some typos in the last thing I wrote.

And Oceanne, that's exactly what I meant. ;D

This question seems a bit vague....as many people would argue to say you can put all humans in one category.... you shouldn't be able to say the same of vampyres. One may be extremely emotional while others are cold. It depends on who it is, honestly.

You're probably right about the conversational aspect, Severus. And of course you CAN discuss the topic...you were all doing just that before I walked in and threw my tomato at it.

I simply maintain that "vampire" is foggy when it has so many interpretations. I know it bugs you that I want to point that out, but there you are.

If a question were posed on child-rearing, I don't think you'd hear many people ask you to define a child. You'd get huge variances in child-rearing approaches and the debate would probably be excellent because we are all familiar with mini human folk...we begin the discussion with a clear image of what we're discussing. Half your audience wouldn't be picturing a french fry and the other half a lamp shade, which is essentially what can happen in the forum when questions are broad.

I find it very confusing... I had no idea that there were so many different types.

But.

I do wonder how some (but not all) have come to believe that they are vampire and what do they base their conclusions on?

I tend to agree with Oceanne...some of the vampires claim to have traits such as the capacity for empathy that are not unique to vampires, and as she so eloquently put it, until DNA testing can confirm otherwise, vampires seem to be no different to humans in a genetic sense...the only difference I can see therefore, for some cases is one of interpretation.

Yes, as Sulks and joli have pointed out there are many types of Vampire... so interpretation really does rear it's ugly head a lot!!
This is mostly because the myth of vampirism is as old as man himself, some would even make the argument that with the possibility of Lilith that vampires are in fact older. Either way every society, any where there is a written or pictorial history there are tails of vampirism. From Africa to China, from South America to Europe no place or time period is void of vampire folklore. Hell if that wasn't bad enough our community hasn't even been able to come up with a definitive way to spell the the dam word much less define the word.

So this has obviously made it complex for anyone group to provide clarity, but the most basic of terms for which most of us seem to agree on is: an individual entity that sustains their life by feeding on the life force of another.

Some do this through the consumption of blood and others use the traditional way by directly feeding on emotional or pranic energy.
The adding of what most would see as special abilities like empathy only muddies the water even more... muddy doesn't really help this conversation much.

I believe vampires would have a heightened sence from what I was just reading a while ago. Being a supernatural would actually enhance their abilities perhaps even triple a human

"Being a supernatural would actually enhance their abilities perhaps even triple a human"

Interesting statement Mel.Any proposals on how that could happen?

Oceanne, being that they have what equates to enhanced human qualities in speech, physical and psychic powers and certain sensitivities the idea of enhanced emotions might not be far of a stretch. Now while I'll admit it's truly hypothesis in nature, if there's the remotest possibility, then I wouldn't rule it out. BUT I will not says it's a universal truth either.

Thanks Mel.

But how,if vampirism is a curse,they cant go in the sun and all kinds of other stuff...how exactly are they enhanced and HOW or what enhances them? See ,people keep saying that ,but I have never,EVER seen any evidence of it...Quite the opposite actually.


And if they are human to begin with...well,it doesnt make any sense.. why there would be more emotion.
I think thats just wishful thinking to be honest.

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