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This is NOT just about Christianity, but all religions. Every day we are coming up with innovative technology. You buy a phone one day, the next day it is obsolete. One day you are told something is healthy, the next day it is totally unhealthy (or vice versa). Every hour we are having medical breakthroughs, as well as scientific discoveries being presented. Every six months to a year, we have unlocked something unknown in archeology.

With all of our findings and advancements. Are we needing god/s/esses less and less? How long do you think it will be until religion is ancient history? Or do you believe there will always be a need for religion or just the belief in something? Will it override what progress dictates? Or will it all somehow mesh together?

I truely think there will always be a real need for religions of all denominations..Especially today when there is trouble all around us..everyone needs something to believe in..I have my own beliefs which i will not get into here but without them I dont think i could get through my days..

I've noticed the past couple of years. While debating people on line. That science trumps religion in an argument. No matter what the argument consists of. If you use religion in any way, it is considered illogical. Why does science make religion unnecessary?

As long as there are people who require others to tell them what to believe and pre-packaged belief systems to follow, there will be religions and those leading such to take advantage of such people.

As long as stupidity exists, so shall religion.

I mean people act like it's the worst thing ever for there not to be some invisible person in the sky. Personally, I don't particularly care for that idea. Because I do not like being controlled. But that's neither here nor there.

I believe Christopher Hitchens said it best when he said "Everything that was once a sin is now a disease"

I personally think that one will override the other as theres things we may never understand take the paranormal for example

Even though science they say can prove some things wrong...That is not the thing though yeah I am like a huge science wiz and believe what I see not what I hear but the truth is...religion is needed...It gives hope and something for everyone to believe in no matter what religion it may be...But in most ways they almost all link together somewhere anyhoo...Science is made to show facts over fictions and yet no one ever says no to believe what they want to they just hand the truth and facts over so that the truth is known weather anyone wants to believe it or not...They are always new facts that come in to prove that most of the people in biblical stories were real people and most was awesome...Science does not say to rid one of god or their beleifs it is basically handing over the truth of the findings left behind and giving it to the public and the public is what is thinking that science and scientists are trying to rid the world of god/gods and that is indeed not a fact they just hand the truth from the artifacts they find and society makes they out to be like that

Stephen Hawkins stated he is 6.9 out of 7.0 that God is a fantasy as per the book, the God Dellusion.

I used to agree with him but there have been some very odd coincidences lately. With this in mind I did some calculations using very conservative odds, stats if you like.

Currently running at about 10 Billion to 1 there is something else interfering with this planet.

What is it? that's another question, probably Alien social-terraforming or as humans may see it...a God.

Good riddance to sacred superstitious thinking, as soon as religion wains irrational thinking will be exposed, and those who propagate religion for financial gain will need to catch a new gig.

I wasn't go to respond to this thread, but, changed my mind. Science always have been around, for many centuries. Men love to create ideas, and to make them into reality. Religion, the same as science, has been around for many years. But, Science is proving with facts, while religion, is declining their faith, due to the actions of some of the followers. By saying that, I elaborate, people tend to believe, because the fear of the unknown and because their brain has been controlled by the organized religions of the world. Nothing against the believer, but, if you analyze religion, you will notice the influence of power and the hunger for money. Someone mentioned about the planet being controlled by an entity....well...that is almost impossible to believe.

God is the Unknown.
Science seeks the Unknown to make it Known.
Science is God.
We are God.
God is God.

Off the top, I am an agnostic and do not follow any organized religion.

I do not think man wants to necessarily remove "God" , as much as he wants to understand what , for lack of a better term , " God" is.

I am a walking contradiction. I believe in God, but also follow philosophy.

I believe that with scientific developements. We are finding less and less reason to follow religion. Putting more stock into what we know is proven to be true (by science), or the closest possibility of being accurate.

Although some believe that science, is bringing us closer to God. Or closer to a God like element, state of being, what have you.

I have heard many scientists say,"We are not in the field of disproving God, but to find the connection between all things, to find what exactly God is."

Yet society (me and you), mostly affirms themselves with what is tangible. We do not want to be judged, especially when we have set up markers on what 'good' is and what 'bad' is. We want to be the masters and commanders of our lives. Science helps us with that. Telling us the possibilities and outcomes of what is out there. Other than depending on being told what we can and can't do by someone we haven't seen.

I personally think that the only reason "scientist" find the breakthroughs that they do is because of god/s/esses. With out faith in something or someone no one would keep working on the things they are... maybe they have the abilities they have because of a higher being instilled those abilities in them. Believing in science does not mean you cant or dont have faith, sometimes they go hand in hand, that belief in something higher allows you to go farther than you maybe would have with out it.

How do we know why certain people discover the cure to some disease, how do we know it is strictly science and not something else at work.. Who is to say that everything and every cure and every discovery isn't part of a plan already laid out by a higher being.

Just saying.

Being an adamant believer I'd be lying if I said I wasn't biased, but my stand point on it is, just because something can be explained by science it does not mean that it isn't the work of God. Moreover I feel that eventually Science meets its limit and that in the questions therein lives and breathes God.

The truth is scientists are just as bad as the religious zealots...
for scientists their science has become a belief system, for them it is their own particular brand of "religion"

When people start pointing out facts that do not fit they get very defensive and even offended ? as if their neurons are doing a Robby the Robot, misfire...

Here are a few facts they hate.
1. Neutrino's went faster than light ( they are checking the switches etc..)
2. A small boy lifted a car off his grandfather last week.
3. Eyes can emit light/ wavelengths.
4. Brains have fields they do not understand.
5. people can predict when a friend will call them on the phone.
6 .Animals sense their masters in an air tight room.
7. Vampires.
8 . Aliens deactivated the Nukes and Boeing can't figure out how. ( they built the circuits)
9. How did the Egyptians do that?
10. More weird coincidences than they can shake a stick at.
Apart from that, yup, the scientists have it all wrapped up...Not !

To use the word God is very generic but I do believe most will stay spiritual but maybe less specific. Believing in a higher power of some kind and following a specific religion is a choice that some make. I think science attempts to explain how everything works. It really doesn't negate something that is the link to all of it or impetus if you will by any name. I think perhaps attributing human characteristics to a "god" is somewhat misleading. Most of the gods or goddesses of the past I believe were really people who died and were venerated down through time. I don't believe they were actually that ultimate spark that holds everything together. I have heard the math and I can't believe there isn't some sort of force behind everything as to whether it is personal, that is where religion comes into play. I think the future is open for new ideas but not necessarily the obliteration of religion.

I guess I will post here. Even though you guys are totally going to think I'm nuts.

Just because something can be explained via science does not mean it is not divine. That being said, I am not religious, at least not in that sense. I believe that Christianity, Islam, Hindu and scientific explanations for things are all different versions of superstition and are all different versions of the same, albeit incomplete, story. We may never have the full story.

Is science ridding us of God? No. Its just a different version of God. Replacing God as we may know "him" the same way past idols have been replaced. The only problem being with each replacement comes less and less tolerance for other things and closed minds become even more isolated. Science lends itself to that. They no longer accept that everything can have a spirit and mans respect for their environment dwindles.

I am no hippie but that sort of thing matters. If you cant respect things around you enough to not use everything up then you are doing nothing but contributing to an already failing society. You have to help other things survive, too. Either that or eventually all of our resources will be so depleted we wont be able to survive much longer.

Therefore, science is ultimately our downfall. It takes respect for living things, including each other, away. What do we have left after that? Love and respect does, keep us all together

Take the word itself - G O D look for that words origin

Then, and only if you're really serious, find what (God) was called in the most ancient of writings.

What was the meaning of the title (name) Eloh and then Elohim (plural), and then Elah. If you're serious about finding the root to the question of who (what) is (God) find the meanings of the words. Don't just settle for the standard two dollar version.

If your name was Anne and I called out to you Karen would you answer? Well no, not if your name was Anne, why would you answer to someone who called out to a Karen.

Organized religion makes things, purposely, fair seeming. It isn't that facts are hard to find, it's that finding them might be hard to swallow.

How could organized religion admit to something that would cause it to lose control of the masses.

The bible seems fairly simple doesn't it? Well once you realize who was responsible for the English translation and the purpose it was originally intended for by use of King James, then you will begin to understand much of the fallacy associated with the intent.

Faith, miracles, prayers being answered...you would be surprised how much of it is due to that individuals own self healing and power of personal energy. Thoughts manifest, that's a fact. Thoughts are energy, positive or negative, that energy can be a very powerful tool.

...Now, If there is a god...He or She, must be having a blast with this thread.

I don't think science is ridding us of god but making people more open to the fact that a figure like god may not exist or he/she might exist

All in all. Religion has it pros and cons just like science does. I believe both will ultimately be our downfall. We use science to affirm our religous beliefs. Example, "Country B isn't doing much for countries A and C. Also Country B is becoming heathenistic, it is against (whatever God) Contries A an C believe in. Let's just rid ourselves of Country B's inhabitants. With the push of this button."

dose God need humans?he did not have to create us and could always forget us and then we would cease to exist.or he could drop a comet on the planet or set off a huge solar flare and all technology would just stop dead.

You are right Bloodmother, science and religion will kill 99 percent.

So who are the 1 percent? the rich? actually not...its the bandito's and bad boy gang members. even the military come out pretty well.

The money men get liquified if it breaks down, a good incentive for them to employ americans and remake the middle classes.

the more we investigate the universe, the more evidence there is that it was created by what astronomers call "intelligent design" Not calling it "God" but something with a consciousness

Religion will always have its place in our society, for those who judge or judge others must base claims on something not in their ways. Science yet strong will find its equal to say with religion. for like good and bad, there must be a medium plane for both.

Science cannot prove or disprove God, thus, showing the limitations of science. Therefore, even with our expanding understanding we cannot answer the question of the ages: What happens after we die?

..the answer...you die in one wing of a hospital..and then, you are born in another wing...just a circle...

markus666, you can prove this how?

I have to agree with Doru's response.

Hmm..there are some interesting reincarnation stories!
For example good read is how they found the new incarnation of HH the 14th Dalai Lama.

Both has its extremists and often for the science extremists it becomes their religion. Science is an excellent method to find out how stuff works and why as long as the method is followed all too often its not and any challenging statistics to the current scientific belief is disregarded. However religion if the gods of religion are real everyone is screwed cause most are tyrannical egomaniacs that demand 100% capitulation or damnation. However the most amount of deaths on this planet in conflicts have been due to religious wars. Quite frankly I am finding less and less positives about religion and I used to be what you could call "unwavering" in a certain religious belief that I will not name in this thread.

I dont feel science will over ride or replace GOD,but I do feel that it might eventually show us what it really is...and when/if it does,it will not be what we have always believed it to be.Not by a long shot.I also think that many will be crushed by this truth,just as others will be elated by it.

ShadowVampyre, Is my own theory about the evolution of the soul. Traveling from life to life. More like reincarnation, but, not into an animal, or rock, or tree. Into another human being.

Im with you on that Markus.If we do indeed reincarnate,it is in human form,not animal.

markus666, I understand the concept. The way you stated your beliefs in your answer to Doru; made it seem that it is known fact.

I'm not denying the possibility, just saying.

Just by asking the question you are giving religious belief power. Science against God...That in itself is an old church belief. That science goes against religion. Why can't science coexist with religion? It just makes sense to me to combine them. For some reason we are hard wired for religion. Science has proved that those who pray will great conviction use a part of the brain not commonly used, at all. As I read and study my craft, I see science wrapped up in the religion and religion in the science, almost daily. To me they coexist...

No because science as it is practiced now is full of fallacy. Studies are not done to "gold medal standards" yet these flawed results are used by drug companies and business as a means to sell. In this aspect science is the newest religion.

However, when science is used as a system that is only as good as the question asked, and the ability to test it; it is a good tool to understand the world around us. Yet we keep finding out that the more we know, the more there is to study and learn.

There are infinite possibilities, and that is what makes the entire science/religion debate fascinating.

Personally, my view is that the idea of "god" is the life energy we all share. Define that, and you have found the link to the next set of questions. So with that in mind, some day, science my explain god, not rid us of the belief.

As long as human want for something, most of the time something bad not to happen to them, then there will always be prayers to one form of god or the next. And as long as there are prayers there will always be religion.

Just like as long as there are tests, there will be prayer in schools.

Gods/Goddesses may have come into being through
the combined will of their worshipers, and if worship
is the food that sustains them, the gradual decline
in belief may cause their destruction. But, in a way,
we now have a system of belief in new, silicon gods.

I thought Science is trying to prove God.

Greatness,Science as I know it,shows me that there is the possibility the exsistence of such.Mathematics might suggest it also..Think of the Mandelbrot..

The so-called thumb print of God...

God for me is the beginning. Isn't that what science is trying to discover? It is elusive. I do not believe for a second that science or mathematics will ever be able to prove the beginning. There are mysteries in this world that only needs to be believed and not known.

Now to start I am an atheist but I would like to point out that there are plenty of religious scientists including the catholic church having its own science department, why do you believe they have to be separate, science does not prove their is no god, there is a specific theory stating the same(for those who get their terms confused theory is more of a title then saying there is no backing evidence for you creationists who use that as your soul argument) called the kettle theory, it states right now in space there is this theoretical tea kettle let's say in orbit around Jupiter, now we currently have no way to prove it doesn't exist nor that it does therefore we have no power to say either way

While I disagree with those who think everyone needs something to believe in, part of me agrees to a degree. Belief is a good thing. Especially when facts presented and there is reason to believe. Like trust. It's best not blindly given. So needless to say I am one who believes in the scientific method. And not a God. We atheist types could be the ruling majority someday.

From the mouth of the late Pope John Paul II:

Science can purify religion from error and superstition. Religion can purify science from idolatry and false absolutes.


(For the record, I'm an agnostic)

As an ordained person of faith, i have no problem with science. In fact I applaud science because it has exposed notions, espoused by conservative religious doctrines, what claim to be the absolute truth. When someone tells me the bible says the world was created in 7 dyas, they cannot tell me the length or breath of those days, and don't seem to have the ability to explain dinosaurs.

I definitely think that religion will always be around. It won't matter what someone says to try to.... "disarm" a person of their religion. Someone, somewhere, will always believe. Everyday I am learning something new but at the same time, I am learning other things that can fit into what I believe. :)

Science is important... for some things. In my opinion, I think some things are to be left alone, not studied. One day, scientists will meddle in something they ought not and get into trouble somewhere. :)

Of course, that is just my opinion.

Hugs, kisses, and all that mushy stuff.

Science will always advance further then religion. In Science we search for the truth, by investigating the world, and spending alot of money into research. In science we tend to have more evidence, and religions don't have any evidence to support their claims, and beliefs.

in my humble opinion, science only seek the truth but not FAITH... Believing in God is to have strong faith.. whateverb science will eventually say if we have enough and strong faith, our belief will not be corupted

science have proved a lot of things we believed were wrong and so if science is sucessful in providing more proof for whats happening around us,there is still a chance i think

As humans we always look for answers to our questions and thats what science does, it provides answers. But as humans we also look for a sense of belonging and thats what religion provides. In a way religion serves to control our id and ego and gives us a moral conciousness that serves to control us. Even if science answered all the questions in the world with proven evidence based research it would not provide what religion does. Also without this moral conciousness humanity would have no 'rules' to live by. Whether it be organised religion or spirituality, science cannot provide this this aspect that humans crave therefore science will never rid us of belief. That could be why so many scientists are religious!

Excellent topic@bloodmother.

I believe that the oligarchy (power brokers) has endeavored since the 18th century on a premeditated attempt to remove all which is of the Spiritual from mankind's psyche.

With the advent of the print and at present excellent media sources for “programming” the attempts has found fertile ground, indeed.

Every attempt by the media is made to make religion seem ominous. However, in the current devastated global economic and social/political environment the elitist power brokers must surely ponder “ there are no atheist is fox holes.” Amen. So Mote it Be!

Victorya

In the modern age I don't think many people go to church, because they tend to lose intrest in religion or either disbeleive in god, and many people have swayed away from the church. It was on the news awhile ago, claiming that the number of people going to church has fallen.

Do you think this could be because of people beleiving more in science or is it because they want the freedom to follow their own faith?

Even though they don't go to church anymore, how many do you know that still use god to judge their own actions and to teach their children? Most just don't have the time for church due to work and the advancements that science has made in their lives. I don't science is so much ridding the world of religion as it is making it harder for people to follow their faiths as well or do as they believe they "should" for their faiths ie go to church, set time aside for their respective holidays, etc. My great grandfather was highly religious and I remember him throwing a fit when I would work on Sundays. He said it wasn't supposed to work that way and would call my work to fuss at my boss. I almost got fired for it a couple of times.

Sir Fred Hoyle was a scientist and he admitted that he was a atheist, and he denied the idea that God created the Universe.

I'm not going to try and argue for or against anyone's views here, everyone has their own opinion and beliefs and that's a good thing. Personally I believe in God, but I also believe in many of the scientific discoveries that have been made in the last century or so. When it comes right down to it, science can give us the "truth" as they can best explain and decipher it, and religion will give us the "truth" based on their core beliefs and origins.
I'm not here to prove or disprove either side of the argument, but sometimes it's better to have something to "believe in" than to simply know the answer to a cold equation. But that's my opinion.

If anything,complacency will rid us of God before science will.

Personally I think that when society begins to understand the more intricate designs behind science, they are making more ground in understanding the Universe. Since "God" or the divine force that feeds the Universe is ultimate omniscience, when understanding science in its deepest forms, we are in fact willing and on the way to understanding the divine presence or force.

It never was about neglecting the divine source, but about understanding it in all its actual nature. Science is the best possible way to understand it, therefore it is the beginning to the end of the possible knowledge contained within.

I think that without science, the divine source through quantum physics and theory could not possibly be understood on the sub-quantum level.