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what would your answear be if someone offered it to you?
I mean yes it would be amazing too see this world change from centery to century
but too see all you family grow up, have thier lives and die, and the same with your friends not able to give them the same gift, wouldnt it be hard, heart breaking either?
Im just curious too see what peopls opinion on this




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I would love to be immortal I think it would hurt when my family died but I would get over it after a few years



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think long and hard before accepting....immortality has long been held as one of the great curses.....for a reason



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No i dont think i would like it.. i mean yah it would be cool for a while but to see all my loved ones die and to having keep making new friends it would get old after awhile and i would probably become very lonely.... it would be sad.



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Daermon is correct think hard about it. After awhile you will want to die. Just think you will have to be almost like a ghost. Reason being you dont want someone knowing about your secret. Personally I would think hard about it but pending on some things I would choose it.



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Immortal life, huh?
Yes definitely.
I would see every part of the world, maybe I would even find the answers I'm looking for..
and in the end, I'm sure that somehow I would find a way to die



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Immortality has its price and that is basicly human emotion. You have to detach yourself from the world so that you dont get hurt in the end. Wow, i bet its a real bite you in the ass later thing. My answer would be no.



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anybody ever read "The Picture of Dorian Gray"? he was obsessed with his looks and he wishes that his painting would age instead of him. he gets his wish and it drives him mad. i would have to say no. unless the ones i care for want to have it too. but then they would probably say the same thing im saying and that would mean more ppl saying the same thing. and that would go on til the entire world was immortal. which would be a bad thing. which leaves me at the conclusion of no. ill pass.



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I would only accept it if there was a way you could choose to die eg. certain suicide method of your choice. all in all though i think its better the way it is. thats what makes life so interesting. it wouldnt b very challenging if you knew no matter what you would wake up the next day feelin fine, and the day after that.....



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i would agree if they could also give eternal life to the one i love.



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I was gonna say what ritenourgoth said.
That would be the only way I would accept.



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Even though I am a person that has a fear of death. Yes, I know in a place where death is embraced I am scared. Sue me. -grins- Anyway.. I don't think I could unless I could be with the one I love. I couldn't stand to watch myself go on after they have perished. I don't know what I would do. The only way I would if there was an option of a way to end it at the point you couldn't take it.

It would be a curse. I would have to say NO.



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Immortality would be fun at the start, and it would probably last for a few centuries, but I'd tire of it eventually. To quote a song from Queen... "Who Wants To Live Forever?"



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I am thinking after a few centuries of debauchery one would start searching for finite ways to end it all.
I would be like a bad video game with tenthousand lives...
I would keep killing myself over, and over, and over, and over....
But i guess immortality doesn't work like that...
It's like sex, once your in your in.
No two ways about it, ok there are two ways about sex technically but not this.
I would say yes and eventually regret drinking the red nectar of the gods.
But what could i do about it,
Ask for a refund?



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You break You buy?



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I do not want to live forever! I want to live a nice long life like my great grandparents (thwy all made it to at least 100) and what looks to be what my grandparents will live (they are all pushing late 80's)



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Angelique1985
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I woudl have to tell them no. I mean its hard enough to watch the people you love die and/or move on and away. I don't think I would be a very happy immortal so I would have to say no.



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Riteourgoth - I agree with you about having a love to be with you for eternity and see how the world is shaped by the mortals and imortals alike.

I too would have to think about it but not for too long, before my chance was to pass, and also request a loved one and if not, then turn my love, myself.



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it would be cool but i would have to deny it because it would kill me emotionally to see my family die



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i would LOVE to be immortal...i never want to die, i just think it would be so amazing to live forvever and things evolove etc.



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thankyou all for reasponding, youve all put some very interesting comments up, it was nice to read x



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It's the worst thing that can be offered to anyone.

Immortality it's a curse not a blessing



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it would curse me and I would in turn curse whomever was to grant it me to the end of eternity, for we would lose that which makes us human, our idea of eternal love, for example, would crumble into the ashes of forgotten memories.
emotions are transitory in nature and so, with eternal life we would leave those things behind and become monsters of pure calculating logic, IMO.



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Look nothing is truely immortal every thing can die. sever the from the body and you die. And i agree with Bloodthirst immortaliy is a curse not a blessing



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it is a superior idea...but i don't wanna spend my eternity seeing my environment change while i don't.



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I'd say yes, one of my dreams is to see how the world is going to be in about 200 years or so. I want to see what new things they will edvent in the future and how people change. It will be sad not too be able to experience this with my family, but, it would be such a great experience that I couldn't even think about saying no.. thats my oppinion...



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Immortality is like a curse,you will never be dead even if you will need or wont it so much.



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Ideally it would be nice to think that if one were to choose immortality that they would use it to someo how better the world ... that maybe they would put their time to good use such as discovering new medicines to cure people and such .. of course there would be a down side to that in the person would either have to do it secretly; or kill themselves off every 60+ years so noone were to catch on that they were immortal, or they would become the next science project. the other down side, which has been pointed out .. you would see family and friends pass away which eventually you would either become numb too, or it would drive you to maddness ....



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I would accept it,I don't care.



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I would accept it. It would be hard to see everyone I love and care for die without me. But, it would be amazing to have that power and see the world evolve and change...



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i'd need to know more details...but i think i'd take it.
i mean..ok..if it would be like that movie "death becomes her" where my body would turn gray and i'd have to keep spray painting it and re-attaching my limbs...it would be a pain in the ass,
but if i could have super-healing powers which wouldnt require me to make routine trips to the hardware store for maintenance...then yeah. i'd do it.
it's not that i can't see the downside, but it would be such a neat change from the way things are...
i mean sure..you've got to see your loved ones die...but you have to do that anyways unless you die remarkably young...chances are...many of the people you love, will die before you.

it would mean having to see my grandchildren grow old and die...but it would also mean getting to meet my great grandchildren.

right now, i have one life..and i have to make the most of it, but if i were to live forever..i could make some terrible decisions and fuck up 5 years or so...and it wouldnt matter. no more of that planning ahead nonsense....

at any rate..it seems safe to say "yeah i'd do it" since..the likelihood of anyone offering seems pretty slim.



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quite a while ago, Echo started a thread about immortality.

just about everyone in the thread wondered what exactly it involved.

"would you like to be immortal" is almost like a person asking you "can i touch you with my hand"

they could stroke you, or they could beat you up. you never know till you answered.

i couldn't answer the question until i was given more details



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i dont think i would like inmortatly because it it gay i wouldnt like to watch my friends and family die



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being immortal is in no part homosexual

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wrong context ;)



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no... the word gay originally meant happy... then meant homosexual...

then people started using it to call things. which i think is a bit silly.

gay... queer... strange...

i've seen homosexuals get upset at the use of the word gay in that context



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Unholy needs a dictionary.
Death would become the only thing you longed for.



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Whether it is "gay" or not, it is what he wanted to share. That's what the forum is for. If he thinks it's "gay" then that is what he believes. I don't think he meant any harm by responding in that matter.



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maybe not... still I find it silly that people can call things gay



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Baphomet
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Reminds me of that South Park episode where everybody is going around saying, "That's gay, he he, that's gay".



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The idea of being immortal is very enticing but I know if I lived long enough I will eventually get lonely but it is the price I'll pay so I would never die. Because the thought of dying is really a frightening thing to think about. I don't really believe there is a god so I think the afterlife is going to be complete nothingness and the worst thing is that I'll be aware of all of it for eternity.



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i would have to say no to immortlity. to me life is long enough as it is. yea it would be cool to see everything change over the many many years, but i know that i would be too lonely most of the time. plus i dont want to see the world destroy itself anymore than it already is.



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Hmm .. death or immortality ...
You are immortal through knowledge ...
But yeah , bite me , kiss me , disembowel me , just make me life forever !



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immortality no i don't want it why would anyone this world is only getting worse i can't bear the thought of being here now



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Some interesting responses! :)



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SilentSuccubusRayne
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I would accept that offer, to see things and people evolve because I am that curious. Though, it would be very hard to take to see my loved one die and to be through many pains. Though, that would be really great to live forever and live through anything.



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Echo
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I did quite a logn thread on this a few months back, and got a variety of repsonces (that is if you can find the thread, it may be deleted now.)

Its a lto more than people think, and not all fo it is good... no offence but I have written too many forum novels on this to spew it all out again.



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Zlee
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Who said that repeating threads aren't useful? There was few threads with this kind of topic, but this idea didn't occured to me earlier.

What is immortality anyway?
If that's only that you can't die of aging, well that's not immortality, throw your immortal self in a pool of lava and that would be the end of your immortality! But on the other hand if you would be absolutely immortal that would make you godlike and show me one person who don't wish to be god!



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Echo
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Zlee, you knwo Im not syaing that repeating a thread isnt useful... Im hoping it helps if it can be found.

Consider this; you are considering the option of immortality. thats a choice. Once that choice has been made, then where is your autonomy? Where is the choice? You have none.



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I had a hamster for 2 and a half years and he died in March. I was a total wreck for almost two months.
I can't even imagine how I'll react when my mother goes...
I wouldn't be able to be or want to be immortal.



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Echo
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I suppose when youconsider it that way, then its a selfish thing. We are so consumed with wanting to live, that we really think we can face watching everyone else die.



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It's not a matter of whether you want it or not, at least to me, it's whether or not you're truly ready to accept all that will come to pass.

Time never changes, your mind will change and the world stays the same. It only follows a pattern that is natural for evolution or mankind or history.

To suffer immortality simply because you'd want to "live forever" is a serious mistake. I do believe it leads to madness, as many of those who live beyond the normal lifespan seem to lose abit of themselves as they age.

I suppose the answer is another question, "Can you really adopt new a lifetime that might have been meant for someone else?"



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immortality is the best gift that anyone could get it's up to you to decide what to do with it



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i whold say,yea,ok,why not?
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I agree with CountessMoon i am terrified of death i want to live to a ripe old age but without my loved ones i couldn't do it
i do beleive that it would be a curse more than a blessing



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yes i would say yes. i would love to live forever



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I'm a loner and I love to learn anything and everything. I would definetly say yes.



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No thank you, I live only for the day of my mortal death. Ha! That made no sense! *laughs* What I mean is, I want to die and there are times when I wish I'd die soon. I'm not the suicidal type though, I plan to wait out my sentence here and I plan to live everyday the best I can. I have no intenion on knowingly shorting my life or knowingly lengthening it either.



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metalhell666
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well lemme change my mind, i think someone might get tired of living forever. so its a maybe



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LordActon
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ooo yes. One mans curse is another mans blessing.I would take it in a heartbeat



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Cadamia
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I say no.. to be alive and have to watch this world get worse from one generation to the next would be more than I can stand..



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lordvampirio
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17:50:04 Aug 07 2005
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im sure i would take it



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Nightwind
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If it were offered to me say two hundred years ago then i would have accepted it. i don't want to see how this century is going to end.



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LadyAshlee
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18:38:58 Aug 07 2005
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i would if i could give the gift to one person as well.... yes it would get lonely, but it would be great because of everything you could see the changing in times.. what has been and what will be...



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ViciousVamp
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Immortality would be great, but as you've said, it would hurt to see those around you die... the simple solution would be not to get close to anyone. But if you don't get close to anyone, is there any point in being immortal ?



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ViolentBeauty
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I don't think I would enjoy being immortal..........yet............I don't know.



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psycobloodpire
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i would have to say for me i would choose immortality death scares me i know it would hurt to lose my loved ones around me if i had that chance i would not what to die



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brumrach
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being immortal would be to hard for me because it will just get more boring over time **yawn**



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th3crow
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22:25:13 Aug 07 2005
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I would only except immortality if it was offered to my friends...i would get too lonely~sigh~



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NecroMonger
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01:37:27 Aug 08 2005
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To become imortal one would have to give uppermanent relationships, when they became immortal they would have to die in thier families eyes, and watch from afar, helping anonymously when the occasion came about. But think of what you could do if immortal.....



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darkslave
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I would have to say no I would not like to be immortal, although seeing the world change would be cool, the wonderful thing about humans and the short life span and the fact that we can die is what makes life so wonderful, we can find the beauty in so many thing because our lives are short, we feel emotions that otherwise wouldnt be, because we would have to detach ourselves to save us from an eternity of pain. So I would have to say no I wouldnt want immortality besides the world sucks anyways so why would I want to stay longer than what I have to?



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louis
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02:33:11 Aug 08 2005
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it would be a hard thing for me to do but I would take it and live alone in the world as I watched other's die.



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vamp91
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03:02:44 Aug 08 2005
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i dont think i would do it because it would hurt to much to watch my family grow up and die



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LadyCycotix
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Even though it is very tempting. I would decline with all of my heart.



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NiennaElensars
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*smiles lightly as thoughts pass through her mind* WOW, I would have to say, I would do it. I mean, yes it would hurt to see my friends dieing and I would more than likely want to give them what I had, but I would want to see the world change and progress. Now here is another question, if you could have Immortality in any age of the world, either well Roman or something along those lines, what period would you choose?

I would Choose the Greek time more than likely, or maybe the Babylonian time frame.*shrugs* Guess I gotta make a forum for that.



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DeathIsBecoming
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many days when i wake up in the morning i wish for a magnum to put to my skull. i can barely tolerate who i actually am blah blah blah, you get the photograph.
even so i would take immortality. i wouldn't care for too long after my family's death, sure i love them but i could mourn for a millenia and compared to forever it is nothing. as for the eternal love thing, never believed in that mythos...

this was brought up before though and might make me reconsider, (lol umm yeah)
what if the world was blown up and you had to float in space forever at some point?



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Drake
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11:37:31 Aug 08 2005
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I don't know if I would want to be immortal. I mean it has some great preks, but your loved ones dying would be bad. Or, what if you finally got bored. I mean with all the time in the world you can see and do everything. Then what would you do if you made it to the end.



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Touzokuou
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13:24:54 Aug 08 2005
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I'd accept, I don't care what happens anymore these days, I've gotten into some rather nasty fights with my best friends, so if they die, I'll be upset, but I'll get over it in a while. As for my family, I'll be sorry to see them go, but as with my friends, it'll be ok in a while.
If I get bored...Well, there's always the Internet =P



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King`Tarquin
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16:52:12 Aug 08 2005
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it would be SUCH a good thing, immortality and HELL it's NO picnic...yes,thinking about it SHOULD be done..and also there's a great thing..because it's NOT just a thing you get everyday.



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RedQueen
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18:09:40 Aug 08 2005
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I would accept. It matters not if you are immortal or not, those people you care about are still going to die, the only difference is how you deal with it, and what you do to make someone's life better-in the end, immortal or not, it's all in how we live our lives with others



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Babygirl
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20:21:24 Aug 08 2005
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i would say no because you would be eternally pained by watching all your freinds and family die why you stayed alive.



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21:01:34 Aug 08 2005
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i would have to say no i mean if you think about it yes all of your friends and you family will die but you will out live all of them you will forever be in pain every frien you make even the ones that you make a thousand years will die before you i do not think that i would be able to deal with that pain



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AngelCutz
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22:53:05 Aug 08 2005
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think it would be to heartbreaking to go through all that time and time again......not only that but with all the drama in this world i would drive myself bonkers being here



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xOnExcRyxForxHELPx
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23:26:55 Aug 08 2005
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if i was give the chance for immortality.....idk....i probably wouldnt take it unless i got to pick who could be immortal with me.......but if it was just me....no i wouldnt take it....it would be sooooo heartbreaking......just to watch the ppl you love die....and if you made more friends they would die too.....it would suck....



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DarkMoonTears
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01:56:31 Aug 09 2005
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to me it would seem that after long you would be lonely and tormented by the fact that you could not share the gift. I dont take my humantiy for granted, because im human i watch my sisters age and know that i age as well, to not be able to brush a hair that has fallen in way aside while my sister sleeps no mater what age would be the hardest thing in life.



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Fritz
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02:01:36 Aug 09 2005
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I'd take it just so in a milennia or soI'd have at least partially shaped the world and have every leader of the world in my pocket. If it didn't work out, I'd just kill myself.



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lycian
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03:57:36 Aug 09 2005
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I'd accept an offer of immortality. but I'm still waiting.



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vamp91
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04:29:20 Aug 09 2005
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i think it would hurt to much to see your family grow old and die



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dirtylawngnome101
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04:35:21 Aug 09 2005
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i wouldnt take it...i wanna live life and not have to watch all my friends die and then be lonely!



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Echo
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PerfectlyDamned, i started a thread about this a few months bacjk, and i said pretty much te same as yourself. one as to question qality of life, is the quantity is do abudant. Would we stop havig the motivation to live our lives if time was of no consequence?



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StarryEyesSixx
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04:52:53 Aug 09 2005
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Gorey, I couldn't have put it better myself...



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Kiros
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Well, if someone offered me immortality, my first reaction would be: "What's the catch?" But if everything seemed in order--and the price didn't seem too steep--I would definitely take the gift of immortality.

For me, knowledge is very important, and I want to see how humanity evolves--or if it even does so at all. I would like to be around when poignant discoveries are made, when humans are at their best, and when they have become their worst. And I would be there all the while, recording, understanding, and thinking. Sure, my family would grow old, succumb to illness, and then eventually die. But such is mortal life. It would happen that way anyway--if natural progression occurred. My mother and father are supposed to die before me, and brothers and sisters may go ahead of me as well.



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NiennaElensars
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11:20:08 Aug 09 2005
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Immortality is something I wish I had right now.



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i think i would say NO thanx... i would like to die. i dont wont to see all loved people dead. sorry i'm not into it now. but no no no to immortality.



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mdshai
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i think that it would be my nightmare, not only because everyone i love, would wither and die except me, but i really don't want to know what the humanity's future is. i think it will be a disaster. nice post although



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grimkitty
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i would love to be immortal. i wouldnt care to much about watching my friends and family die.... ive watched soo many of my family die already, and as far as friends, seen many die and you can always make more. its just a small price to pay for such a great gift.



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xBeautifulxNightmarex
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hmm.. good question. If one were to offer me immortality, I'm not sure what I'd do. On one hand, it's a great way to do every you've ever wanted to accomplish. But, on the other, you have to watch those you love die, and then find new loves, and watch them die also. And if this 'reality' were to end, where would you go?



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NiennaElensars
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04:23:54 Aug 10 2005
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Well Immortality is something I think everyone needs to live through for a few centuries so that they will be able to harden themselves to life.



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Ultimo
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I would have to be able to make my closest friend, family member, or lover Immortal otherwise i would be lonely. What good is it to live forever if you have no one to share it with.



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wiccawomen
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immortality would be amazing and you can make new friends



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Kiros
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I think immortality only works out for a person if they have something they wish to pursue for the rest of their lives. Because I would constantly keep myself busy, there wouldn't be feelings of loneliness because I would always have what I became immortal for--but that's just me.



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ThornyDreams
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09:00:46 Aug 10 2005
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It'd be nice in a way,
but in another I'm sick of this life as it is, I don't want to go through it forever.



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gangrelmother
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20:39:11 Aug 10 2005
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it would be so hard to watch everone u have grown to love grow old and then die even ur children i would not want to c my children pass so therefore i would not take the offer



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Blackpegasus69
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22:13:29 Aug 10 2005
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watching people die is only painful if you let it be ......Imortallity is a gift you just dont get eternal youth .....really sucks



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sandman2309
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22:25:29 Aug 10 2005
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we watch the loved ones die everyday, but would i live forever if i had the chance, i dont know, but even the undead can end there lifes so maybe yes.



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Blackpegasus69
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22:30:45 Aug 10 2005
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ew cn all die just some have to be killed



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DarknessBound
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01:44:14 Aug 11 2005
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to infinityyyyy and beyonddddddddddddddddd...

but not on this thread. it shall close for length.


buh bye.



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