Just did a little bit of searching and came up empty. Id like to know what its all about though.
Well I dont know much, but I think it would be something to do with the old roman calender that had 13 months in it instead of the now used 12.
Might want to try looking for the3 13th zodiac symbol around information concerning the lost 13th month :P
Of course I believe the number 13 and friday the 13th to be lucky, but thats just me.
here is a web site to help all in the 13th zodiac
http://aquarianmysteries.com/ophiuchus.html
sorry here is another to help
http://www.geocities.com/astrologyconstellations/ophiuchus.htm
dariann69 ty for putting those links in about the 13th zodiac it was very informative and now the zodiac makes sense to me...
I always felt there was something missing about what we use as the Zodiac as the sky and the signs have never exactly matched up...
no problem you can thank lordlestat for starting this thread hopefully everyone will gain as much from it
Yes dariann69 I should have thanked him before my bad manners and just waking up thank you as well LordLestat for this thread
you are welcome as well lestatdarkling more info can be found by searching for the 13th zodiac in most search fields on the web
Thank you for the post. i did'nt even realize there was a 13 in the zodiac. Now i understand more from the website that was posted.
lordlestat , i believe it was superstition that lead to it not being used today but at the same time it could have been done to try to simplify the zodiac signs as well
What to start about zodiac signs,
origin is from mithraism,
yes this word becoming familar slowly.
This universe is in under calcuration,
everything of it,it has math behind it,
that is why math is the key to the universe.
In this solar system we living in,12th is max
signs linked through 4th dimension as time.
24/7/365 12months 7days every of it.
Monday,tuesday,wednesday,thursday,
friday,saturday and sunday,these 7day/nights connected through 7 planets
out there.
Monday=Moon
Tuesday=Mars
Wednesday=Mercury
Thursday=Jupiter
Friday=Venus
Saturday=Saturn
Sunday=Sun
That greek calucuration made at 2000 A.D.
Mithraism exists from when this universe
have been made.
For more informations,
download my project,
there are more details about it.
I post link again here,thanks.
http://d.turboupload.com/d/1067842/BloodLineSolarSystemEdition.txt.html
Simon although you have something to say I would check facts on the zodiac as the use of the 13th sign has only been out of use for 1900 years when Claudius Ptolemy shown as the classical father of the zodiac (we now use) decided to use only 12 of the constelations in his charts the 13th zodiac Ophiuchus can be seen and I would believe used if done properly it would show as this chart I borrowed:

Yes mik,
i have seen that,
if we going to use that,
everything would change as you know.
My point is,
why 13th sign is not in list of time from the
beginning if that is an actual zodiac?
Thanks Mikhail, this is very interesting and by this chart my sign changes from Capricorn to Sagittarus which actually could explain some things. I'm going to have to study this a bit more.
(Nightgame sorry to see the erased you Thanksgiving vampire family table talk thread, it was wonderful. People learned much from it.)
Since I never follow links, and would rather go with what I know on the subject, because the internet is a poor information tool I will post something to help the ones like me come to a conclusion when even when a link is posted people read it and they do not even bring back their findings from the 13th planet beyond pluto.
Now we are finding that there is a larger planatoid beyond pluto, and pluto itself, the god of the underworld has now been under fire for just being a large asteroid.
They have studied the rock out there, I believe we either have a probe that has passed by, or just about to within 2 years make a second pass to gather more information. That body of rock out there, which would be the prophesied 13th, would be an astrological sign originator because each planet is the basis for one of the signs, one of the months.
Each sign has a muse to go along with it, and the muses traditionally, like Venus a powerful muse named Erato, the Goddess of epic lovew powertry (sp) poetry, I guess, or conclude since it is beyond PLuto it would be a muse for poetry about death, since it is past the underworld, or would be the poet inspireer of the charmed in the Elysian fields, which the is Greek equivalent of Heaven, all the rest of the underworld is Heaven, or it could be as you are all hoping for... a very bad place.
Numerologically speaking I know all about the numbers, and since I have a great feel for all the numbers, in the number 13 I have found nothing unlucky. Triskaidekaphobia, the fear of the #13 is unwarrented, as my understanding of the number 13 is a good thing and it goes back to Erato, which proves to be a sexual number, but since 13 year olds are allowed into the main forum, I will not go with that angel.
Believe me though, I have found nothing wrong with the number 13. Yes, and then if it is not unlucky, the fear of the number must be not factually based, and therefore lucky, or auspicious in some manner. However it is merely ununderstood, and I hope I have thrown some like into the darkest part of the universe because the planet it must be named for has only for the most part been detected because of its gravitational effect on pluto. If PLuto is the god of the underworld, and death, and this piece of rock 2 times larger than Pluto has powers of influence over death, or to come back from the dead, then that again is a good thing.
I will admit 13 is a number I know least about, and not being classically trained as a numerologist, but I do have a friend named Sharita who has her own website that knows everything about it. I will email her and return with more information.
I do not think it was either Roman of Greek originated though, that I can be sure.
Or at least the first Greek Civilization. Ptomely how ever you spell it might be the best lead though I will say, for that is both a Greek mathematicians name (spelled wrong) or one of the Pharoh who were the puppet Government in place after Alexander the Great took Egypt.
It is not Roman because Rome had only 10 months until Caesar added July for Julius, and his nephew Augustus Caesar, i.e. the name he had before he was Augustus which was Octavius made August the 8th month in his name to balance out the calendar.
Um, some other clues would be, to not follow links by people who provide nothing but wrong information onto websites that could give you a virus, or catch a virus from visiting a page where an idiot with his virus infected computer might drop of a virus while browsing a site, and then you get it.
The number 13 is potentially ominous in a negative way, so I was inclined to decline the invitation to such a website since the Roman Calendar had only 10 months initially and a couple of religious feast holiday months thrown in place of the missing time after December, which means the 10th month in Italian. And this was the only info provided by the thread starter, that it was from the Roman calendar.
So the last month would actually be the 11th according to the strong connection alluded to by the starter of the thread, and have nothing to do with 13 at all.
I hope I have not disturbed anyones cosmology, please disregard this meteorological report. I wish I could have written all I know about the stuff 18 and over people could hear about, it is more provacative, and maybe we should open a non age sensitive forum where would could let our hair down and talk about the S word?
The clues provided by the others the word Ophiuchus and MithraisM
are very potential clues, but my Latin is spotty and my analysis of MithraisM from a wordsmith angel would not be believed so I will keep my suspicions to myself.
the question is once we have the information...would anyone be willing to use it?? there's a bunch of superstisious people out there...they apparently dont like the number 13. and with how long its been since we've had 12 signs would anyone be willing to change?idk...i didnt know abou tthis whole thing until it was posted here(thank you by the way lordlestat)
~i, am a libra.naturally unbalanced but on the chart is says i am a virgo
this is good to read and thanks for placing the map up
Where did you find that map Mikhail? I am a Taurus, but according to that map I am an Aries...I think that's kinda funny
If I was to follow this 13th Zodiac chart, it still would not apply to me. However, it would put me back to being a Sagittarius rather than a Capricorn. It would also put me on the edge between Sag and Cap. Using the more common Zodiac callendar, I am on the edge of Cap and Aqu. This is what I am like, personality wise. Now, did the changing of the callendar make me this way, or was it noticed that people did not fit with their zodiac, using the 13 signs? What makes us fit our zodiac?
For cusp,
April 19 - Aries/Taurus - April 23
May 19 - Taurus/Gemini - May 23
June 19 - Gemini/Cancer - June 23
July 19 - Cancer/Leo - July 23
August 19 - Leo/Virgo - August 23
September 19 - Virgo/Libra - September 23
October 19 - Libra/Scorpio - October 23
November 19 - Scorpio/Sagittarius - November 23
December 19 - Sagittarius/Capricorn - December 23
January 19 - Capricorn/Aquarius - January 23
February 19 - Aquarius/Pisces - February 23
March 19 - Pisces/Aries - March 23
Actually, the cusp is like 3 to 4 days before the beging of the next sign, right? I was born the 17th of January. I am on the cusp of Aquarius, since that begins on the 21st. I believe that is right?? Don't make me cart my sore legs upstairs and grab my books. LOL
http://d.turboupload.com/d/1241150/BloodLineSolarSystemEdition.txt.html
Thank you for your time.
Here Here Sevenn I tend to agree with that statement....
I have no knowledge of the use of the zodiac outside of the horoscopes we see in our daily papers, this interests me due well manly I guess because I have long watched the heavens and noticed this constellation didnt know its name before this time.
It facinates me what we have lost due to certain politcal features of the church and other organizations out there and due to a great part of prejudices we have formed due to certain teachings........
My understanding of the definition of a sun sign is one whos stars cross the Ecliptic (path of the sun). Ophiuchus has 29 stars, 24 are above the Ecliptic, 5 are below the Ecliptic, therefore making it a constellation that crosses the Ecliptic, defining it as a sun sign in formal terms.
Lestat, what do you mean, and what are your theories? I think the reason (s) why it is not commonly recognized is very interesting to think about, and probably does have some sketchy story behind it.
The only thing I can think of to add to the conversation is that it would make me an aquarius, which makes so much more sense to me than to be a pisces...
Thank you all for this information! I never knew there was a 13th. I'm an aries/taurus, but with the chart Mikhail shows I'm an aries. I find that very interesting. I do feel I have always fit more with the Aries. I will have to look into this more. Thank you all for the information & great links.
Don't get all bent out of shape.
If the horoscopes are wrong adjusted to Mihail's new astrological chart
then we are not the sign we thought we were
but that is the trick of life
we are not who we thought we were
Lestat,
I don't think it was some big quest. Nor was it some grand, movie style conspiracy. It is an even number, 12, so it is simple. It isn't a number that is an issue to popular religions, so it is easy to accept. The name of this 13th zodiac sign was quite a tounge-twister, it is easier to talk about. See what I am getting at. Our zodiac signs simply when through some spring cleaning, and we tossed out the ugly, brown sweater--so to speak. ;)
great point VAMPARIAH, are we ever who we think we are?
My birthday falls right in the range of this other sign. I think it's facinating to read about. It would change the whole field of astrology were it to be widely accepted. Perhaps it was like spring cleaning when the calanders were redone.
It's interesting to note that the serpent is absent from the zodiac. Even with the 13th, 'the serpent carrier' the serpent itself isn't considered part of the zodiac. Almost every culture offers some mythology of the serpent and quite often as well involved with the tree of life or trees in general (often wrapped about it like the caduceus symbol of medicine that's mentioned in some of the earlier links above.
The serpent was knowledge in almost every culture. A highly learned druid was referred to as an adder or serpent and looked upon with respect. The Minoans, the Ageans, and the Gnostics associated the serpent with wisdom.
Christianity appears to be one of the only movements to change the symbolism not from knowledge for he still bestows that upon man but to change wisdom from good to bad and thus the reason behind man's damnation. I'd be interested in the affect of Christianity on the 13th Zodiac but my limited research seems to point to the Zodiac as a whole being persecuted and not merely the serpent.
ok acording to this i am no longer an aries :( i am going to read all thelinksu guys have above iknewabout the 13 months calender but i never thought about the zodiac at the same time ithsouldhave smaked me in the head but i gusse we all learn something new every day
The Real Solar Zodiac Sun Signs: Sun Sign Meaning Dates
01: Pisces the Fishes 12 Mar to 18 Apr
02: Aries the Ram 19 Apr to 13 May
03: Taurus the Bull 14 May to 19 Jun
04: Gemini the Twins 20 Jun to 20 Jul
05: Cancer the Crab 21 Jul to 9 Aug
06: Leo the Lion 10 Aug to 15 Sep
07: Virgo the Maiden 16 Sep to 30 Oct
08: Libra the Scales 31 Oct to 22 Nov
09: Scorpius the Scorpion 23 Nov to 29 Nov
10: Ophiuchus the Serpent Bearer 30 Nov to 17 Dec
11 Sagittarius the Archer 18 Dec to 18 Jan
12: Capricornus the Sea Goat 19 Jan to 15 Feb
13: Aquarius the Water Carrier 16 Feb to 11 Mar
* The Non-Zodiac Constellations
http://www.geocities.com/astrologyconstellations/ophiuchus.htm ( found at this site)

http://aquarianmysteries.com/ophiuchus.html
this borrowed from the other site
I did not make this chart VAMPARIAH I borrowed it from the sites mentioned earlier here in this thread if it is off as we know the Zodiac now that is because it has the 13th symbol in it I'm sure when the stopped using the 13th symbol they readjusted for time and space..
I simply research see learn and well obtain I didnt rework the zodiac that was done some 1900 years ago by Claudius Ptolemy possibly at the behest of the church...
It messes with my horoscope as well it would change mine also if it was in use now..It isnt so........
I take a dont worry my horoscope is what it always has been due to the use of the 12th constellations not the added 13th
Too early to rush into conclusion.
Mithraism has over 20 books recorded.
What i showed on here is tiny part of it.
Sigh.
The Real Solar Zodiac Sun Signs:
Sun Sign Meaning Dates
01: Pisces the Fishes 12 Mar to 18 Apr
02: Aries the Ram 19 Apr to 13 May
03: Taurus the Bull 14 May to 19 Jun
04: Gemini the Twins 20 Jun to 20 Jul
05: Cancer the Crab 21 Jul to 9 Aug
06: Leo the Lion 10 Aug to 15 Sep
07: Virgo the Maiden 16 Sep to 30 Oct
08: Libra the Scales 31 Oct to 22 Nov
09: Scorpius the Scorpion 23 Nov to 29 Nov
10: Ophiuchus the Serpent Bearer 30 Nov to 17 Dec
11 Sagittarius the Archer 18 Dec to 18 Jan
12: Capricornus the Sea Goat 19 Jan to 15 Feb
13: Aquarius the Water Carrier 16 Feb to 11 Mar
* The Non-Zodiac Constellations
© Dr Shepherd Simpson, Astrological Historian
wow i have found alot of interesting stuff on this ....and never knew it was out here tyvm LordLestat....
i also have a december 4th birthday...lol
i have always wondered why i do not fit a sagittarius well......i definately will have to look into more info on that....maybe thats what truely suits me
http://www.tangodiva.com/blog/wp-content/Time.jpg
Link for picture of time,do your own research because your own eyes see the truth.
http://mathforum.org/library/
Link for math,do your own calculation.
does anyone know the name of the serpent chasing its tail, the circular figure name?
I saw a sci fi movie once that included it
I didn't think much about it then
I went through something last night, that I don't think I came out of all so well,
I would like to post a new thread on what happened, but I do not want to go to war without knowing the serpent image previously described here, the one chasing it's tail.
The brown sweater in me Strigoli wants to bespeak, but I must take off the veil obscuring my eyes.
That is all.
Well, there is one more thing. Now don't get angry at me that I had a soulmate or 2 in this life, I am 39 after all. One of them I received a letter last night, and she told me she is pregnant with her 2nd child, who, interestingly enough appears to want to be born a serpent bearer.
Bearer means to carry right?
I always thought the 13th Zodiac was called the Serpentus. Then again, I could be wrong. Sorry.
13th ? it's to crazy, because we have year divided to 12, and this 13th if it is, it will be rare = less people will have it than other
Calander isnt the thing in question here calander is set up not on these stars but on the sun itself the stars ie. constellation in question is Ophiuchus the Serpent Bearer and why it is no longer in use...
Threads develop through tangential discussion.
This particular thread has developed due to Mikhails posts and Sevenn's that the Ophicus sign is of the Serpent.
Apparently you are not finding the desired results from the "personal reactions" from the members or either the mythological research that supports such statements.
What did you hope to find in the 13th sign that the continuity of the thread has unveiled by your question, may I ask?
I have tried to keep it going they way I thought you would have this thread going LordLestat as for not being my sign well mostly due to my lack of research this constellation does show in my zodiac and might explain a few things about my charactor since it is a raising sign for me it seems..I would like to know further what you might now of its usage or lack of usage now...
this is a very interesting thread, I never knew about the 13th one, but now it makes sense to me why I act more like a tarus, and not reallly a gemini, I can see why with the number 13 why one was dropped, with the superstition as it was years and years ago, but why did they drop the one that they did?
Wow the chart says Im a Leo instead of a virgo. This makes some sense. I will love to learn more about this because up to this point I have not put much thought into this subject other then to read some books about my sign and the personality behind it.
The 13th Zodiac sign is Ophiuchus (The Serpent Bearer)
And is the only star constellation that is connected to a real man by the name of "Imhotep".
Here is a Link to back this information up...
http://www.nehrucentremumbai.com/zodiac_sign.htm
This is the best thread I've seen. Fasinating to say the very least. I would love to do some research of my own on this and will share (of course) if I find anything else of interest that has not been shared already.
This is really interesting. I think that the 13th zodiac was removed from modern astrology partly because of the church, and maybe partly due to roman influence on the modern calander
Yes Lord Lestat you are right.
You asked for personal experiences and mythological research however.
The latest development is that Imenotep and his snake constellation of one snake kinda squished into two is the source of the origin of the naming of the sign, from the Greek Ptolemy Egyptian days.
Since it is 1 snake and not 2 it has nothing to do with the Cadmus or the sign of the medical profession as the post of Mikhail alluded to.
However, I think, there is something really ominous and auspicious about the serpent bearer, as life goes more beyond I thought I was a Gemini and now I am another sign...
Now the outdated original chart, which astrological divisions of the scientific community has reversed the decision of all that came before to re-include Ophiuchus into the science of cutting up of the sky as the 13th sign governing us.
Yes all of us. As each house passes through another sign, sometimes we are under the influence of another house.
I currently am under the jurisdiction of the house of the serpent, and it guides me in life to make decisions of where to go in life and what to do with it based upon the influence of the serpent.
All of us will be under the influence of the Serpent Bearer at some point in time, so tangent thinking, (if the word tangential is too difficult to comprehend) has provided very useful in this great topic you have started. You have saved my life Lord Lestat, I bet you never thought of that. Your serpent has guided me to the following new conclusions.
I have not done research on Imenhotep, but I have heard his name very many times in my study of Egyptology, and it suffices enough for me that he was a mortal who came unto being a god through the development of his understanding of science and making people around him heal. And for this he was made immortal.
I think the man superimposed on the snake is a very important image, and the Cadmus perhaps, the two twined snakes that represent the banner of the health profession, is one and the same.
The reason I purport this may be true can be supported by my personal experience this past week.
I think the man stepping on the snake splits the snake in 2, and a whole can of worms occurs, ill health and such and the need for treatment that creates in people like Imenhotep the responsibility to become a doctor.
I am not going to go into visuals of what the snake might represent in this life, but I have come to understand how maltreatment of this symbol found in nature leads to disease.
Was Imenhotep a god for understanding this? No. He was a god for doing something about it.
Traditionally when threads develop they adhere to the initial requests for information in the topic, but in order to converge on the answer, one answer, the snake, or two answers even, two snakes, there must be divergence of thought.
Thoughts diverging in tangents that at first do not appear to have anything to do with the original post must be put up with especially when it is clear that this is the process of finding out truths.
I think the forum posting rules should be amended. Instead of they kept telling me a thought was a tangent and then they deleted my posts, and so now your thoughts appear to be tangential so you get off my thread, and such great discussion going towards what is a tangent or what is useful knowledge and not to the value of all the knowledge presented.
In the final analysis you will see, for the most part people try to respond intelligently to posts, and for some reason they may not be aware, they are prodded by something deep inside them to include a thought to come to a determination. Sometimes it is a dead end, and sometimes it is the mother lode answer of truth to the original post.
Now what do we want? Do we want the truth or do we want tangent Nazis?
We all want the truth.
The other thing that I find deleterious in making forum posts is the supplying of a link which takes a person off the site where the person whom provided the link could not even find the relevance of any of the details in the link provided themselves.
If you are going to provide a link, then perhaps in synopsis the thread responder should come up with at least one idea that connects the link with the potential solution.
My example would be, here, here is a link to War and Peace....
it was written by Tolstoy, click on the link and read the 2,000 pages and then get back to us.
Providing links is fine, but give a summary of exactly what the link is all about, and provide something you have learned from following that link.
People raise their heads from reading the link, and say, oh yeah, hmmm that was an interesting link, and then they too have added nothing to the scripture of these Vampire Rave data files.
Links die, Vampirerave will not, our mission to find the truth of the super nature in the vampire soul trip and to document something is highly sublime and has ramifications for humans and vampires everywhere.
People in the future will click on the link when they are trying to find out more about the 13th sign, in the time they are being the bearer of the Serpent, and there will be nothing but a blind link.
Let us add to the vampirerave data base correctly, in a scientific manner and realize that tangential thinking allows for idea searches to separate, divide, or diverge and then from that to converge on the solution.
Upon saying that I will leave your great forum thread since the mystery has been solved, and I am not wanted here.
For a quick painless answer to your question why did the 13th sign disappear?
The snake is a part of the Chinese horoscope that goes by years. It is not part of the Western Horoscope because it was probably erased from it due to the Christian Church, I mean St Patrick was made a snake because he killed all the snakes in Ireland.
This is of course highly symbolic, and I think if you ever did enough Archeological digging I don't think you will find any snakes in Ireland's underground in all the years before St Patrick's time , and it was just a way for the Church to say that there was something wrong with snakes, symbolically. Which is of course a very wrong thing to make any man or any woman feel.
Vampariah Thank you so much for the long awaited story you added to this post... But Imhotep is egyptian. Just thought I would add that.
Imhotep Also known as "The Father of Medicine" 2980 BC. He served as a Chancellor to the Pharoah and was a High priest of the "Sun God RA".
The 13th Sign was not recognized until recent findings
" here was not always a 13th sign in the Zodiac [Mazzaroth]. About 2000 years ago the Sun traveled from the constellation Scorpius and then went directly into the sign of Sagittarius, but due to the constant motion of the cosmos, the Sun now enters, for a few days of the year, the star constellation 'Ophiuchus' before entering Sagittarius from Scorpius, thus creating Astrologically the birth of a thirteenth sign of the Zodiac, which is named: Ophiuchus the 'man' Serpent Holder, patterned from the original 'Serpent Holder', Enki, a Sumerian god." Betty Rhodes.
And here is a link to this article as well.
http://aquarianmysteries.com/ophiuchus2.html
hey thanks for the help, lordlastat and you to simon :) with the info from this about the 13 zodiac i would be a gemini , guess that would fit with my mixed up moods. but this was fun and i am checking out those links to see if they still work. this should be a fun thing to see. *wicked grin* thanks
VAMPARIAH, to answer your question, the serpent that eats its own tail is the Ouroboros (Greek οὐροβóρος) copied off scionofrequiem's post elsewhere.
Back on topic - I agree with Strigocia, I don't think that the superstitious number 13 had anything to do with it being dropped, otherwise Pisces would have gone as the 13th sign
I agree with FelixFelix, there isn't a star constellation to tie up with a serpent
I think, but may be wrong, that the nice folk who do horoscopes use star charts and all to do their thing. The zodiac signs seem to be very closely used by horoscopes (in fact, until this thread I thought that was all they were used for).
In days gone by World Leaders wouldn't make a move without their horoscope. If the horoscopes makers couldn't use their star charts, they couldn't make a horoscope for that sign - they dropped it, with the support of then (then) world leaders?
This is just my guesswork, sorry if its completely improbable
Well, I'm still a pisces either way (whew!) but being on the Pisces/Aries cusp has always made alot of sense in my life. Thanks for the information though, this is a subject interesting enough to tak the time to look into! But for now, I'll have to stick with my 12 ;-p
I learned about this sign probably 2-3 years ago. It really didn't change my understanding of which sign I was.
The 13 sign chart says I'm a leo.
But I can't argue with my personality being entirely virgo. LoL.
I thought the new sign was simply because of a shift in the orbit or rotation of Earth actually. I thought it was an entirely new sign.
This was new to me a welll . I did not see where and when the change occured . I wouldbe interested to know , perhaps I missed it above ? THe idea of unlucky Friday 13 comes from the day that "all" (supposedly) the Templar Knights were rounded up and accused of heresy .
So maybe the change is something to do with the catholic church , but then again astrology is evil per christian doctrine . hmmm the saviour and the 12 apostles adds up to 13 as well .....
[q]but then again astrology is evil per christian doctrine . hmmm the saviour and the 12 apostles adds up to 13 as well ..... [/q]
Very interesting observation, according to some scholars Mary Magdelan was the 13th apostle. Pardon my ignorance (I have not followed any of those links) but when was the zodiac shortened to the current 12? Could there be a corralation with the Christian docturine "coming into power"?
If your sign has changed then you also change like from an air sign to an earth sign, or water to fire, I mean
this is indicative of a potential dual nature.
Thank you Artem... I will learn your name better for the Ouroboros, but I can tell already it is juts a blind link in a way, if you look at it wordsmith wise it says
Aura bore us
so,
I think it is just one of those rub it in things.
Yeah, the serpent constellation does exist, the Kepler explosion after 1600
and Lord Lestat?
um, I don't know how there could be 13 signs, there is only 360 degrees of the sky to cut up, scientifically it does not make sense even if you take into account Aried retrograde or whatever.
Because this is so, the 13th house is only 18 days long, or as Arte... guy said Pices would have been the 13th sign, so it isn't a numerological fear the Triskadecaphobia
but it is the fear of snakes, and stuff, you know.
"Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one."
Fascinating thread and comments/discussion...
This would remove me from Sagittarius and make me an Ophiuchus - my birthday is December 8, interesting!
Now found this site and he lists 14 signs:
Sagittarius... Dec 18 - Jan 18
Capricornus... Jan 19 - Feb 15
Aquarius... Feb 16 - Mar 11
Pisces... Mar 12 - Apr 18
Cetus... Mar 14
Aries... Apr 19 - May 13
Taurus... May 14 - Jun 19
Gemini... Jun 20 - Jul 20
Cancer... Jul 21 - Aug 9
Leo... Aug 10 - Sep 15
Virgo... Sep 16 - Oct 30
Libra... Oct 31 - Nov 22
Scorpius... Nov 23 - Nov 29
Ophiuchus... Nov 30 - Dec 17
http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take?testid=3091699986214325105
yes, it states a 'test' but makes me wonder where/how he came up with yet another zodiac sign?
Sevenn is right there is a constellation to correspond to the 13th zodiac...
All Zodiac signs are based on the heavens/sky night time and day time......
I read about this and it seems to be this constellation more closely related to healing as the person in the myth was a healer. The Gods worried he would have all humans become immortal and they the Gods knew man wasn't ready for immortality. Killed him but because he had done this healing out of love they put him in the sky....
The myth goes on....
i just recently learned, because i bought the De Vinci DVD that the reason they think the 13th is unlucky is because thats the day the French King raided and killed most of the Templar knights in France. it was on a Friday the 13th in February. The King wanted the Templar's money. during those times the Templar's had more money than anyone in Europe at the time. so they called that day unlucky.
thats just a theory historians have.
Sorry to burst the bubble and aks but so far I have'nt seent he description of the personality and trait of the ones who are the 13 zodiac sign, I mean most of us know the other 12 trait and personalities but thisone, what kind of person would it be? What would be the influence, or personality tast and that kind of things.If one knows please instruc me.
*Bows and smiles* Thnak you
well either the inclusion or exclusion of the horoscope sign in question, the presence of it in your life, throws off all the other signs, which means it is the most powerful.
What more do you need to know?
Yes, the Historian story with the rationale for the #13 being unlucky because of the Templars murder, must be right on.
I am a non classically trained numerologist and I find no correlation between 13 and ill luck beyond the vampire fortnight phenomena.
It is bogus.
Jakyna, I guess well that cant be answered as this zodiac isnt in use any longer. I suppose it could be researched out more to see how and what those changes would be. I tend to think they would have to do a full natal chart to see when and where this constellaion come into play in a persons life if it even does....????
I personally dont do charts I just follow the sky. Stars constellations, planets what have you have always facinated me.....What is very nice about living where I do is all I hvae to do is step outside my door and I can observe the sky and wonder about things
Well, I stepped out in the sun just now and my face almost exploded, I felt like a burst on my right cheek, and it was only for a second.
Um, it is incorrect that the horoscopes are edited for the safety of mankind by the church, like we or Ireland can't handle snakes... I mean that means just about every horoscope you ever read would be wrong. It is kinda like reading the Mein Kempf book of Hitlers with pages missing and then being asked why Hitler did what he did. Astrologers are not playing with a full deck of cards.
But, horoscopes are always right for me. They never are wrong. Never. The New York post writer got me all figured out. The village Voice they do like a monthly horoscope, but I usually pick up the VOICE at the end of the month just passed and I am like wow, if I had only read that before I started the month. I am an idiot and the VILLAGE VOICE is free too. Shoot.
Vampariah I have really enjoyed reading your posts lol. Im truly interested in this subject and as I said before never put much thought into it. Sense this post started I have been doing some research.
LordLestat has brought us a great subject to discuss here...
I havent been posting recently due to many repeat subjects discussed I love things of an esoteric nature so I no longer post my own threads except silly ones in the sand box..
I am glad to see more things like this here in general discussions again it has been enlightening for me..
VAMPARIAH:
I think every person has a little of every element in them, there's just one that shows predominantly. And I've also learned that most people I know don't actually follow their original element.
Elements are tricky with the people I know. Maybe not with everyone, I suppose.
Yes, we are not ruled by our ruling planets or houses either, as the houses and even other planets come into play on the horoscopes. I am sure you all wonder why I am in seclusion to complete a book before it's 13th year, and I choose to write on here a lot during this testing time.
There is no sense being just a communicator in the ruling planet of Mercury using just one side of my brain in the book I am publishing. I find what I learn on here developmentally ruled by the snake influence, is equally important.
I could have done the book but without people like Artemka doing the research for me I requested to try to save my sometimes worthless life, or being blown away by Mikhail pulling out of his hat the Cadmus double serpent sign of the Medical profession, at once Artemka saves what is in store for me, and Mikhail shows me what I do to you guys confounding instead of being astounding as I try to be of service. It helps me serve the non-vampire community as well, the ones who don't know they are Vampires yet. It is my job to be part of the establishment to keep the intelligent who can pick up on the innuendos here.
I was spellbound looking at the term Cadmus. I musta been like all you young Vampeeps staring at the names of places and people I come up with, because it really just didn't sink in on me. I had never seen the word Cadmus and I felt uneasy looking at it. Mikhail had thrust a mirror at my face, and I didn't like what I must come off looking like to others.
Here I try to educate, and it seems I only alienate with vocabulary and such, and it was Mikhail whom schooled me on my nature, which is very important when formulating a book ending.
Please lets stay on topic. LordLestat I do believe will close this thread if it keeps straying off topic. I personally would hate to see that happen.
Below I have listed the "traditional" 12 zodiac signs and thier associated gem stone.
Aries, the Ram = April = Amethyst
Taurus, the Bull = May = Agate
Gemini, the Twins = June = Beryl
Cancer, the Crab = July = Emerald
Leo, the Lion = August = Ruby
Virgo, the Virgin = September = Jasper
Libra, the Balance = October = Diamond
Scorpio, the Scorpion = November = Topaz
Sagittarius, the Archer = December = Carbuncle
Capricorn, the Goat = January = Onyx Chalcedony
Aquarius, the Waterbearer = February = Sapphire
Pisces, the Fishes = March = Chrysolite
Duration of Size and Sun’s period therein.
January 21 to February 18 - - Garnet
February 19 to March 20 - - - Amethyst
March 21 to April 20 - - - - Bloodstone
April 21 to May 21 - - - - - Sapphire
May 22 to June 21 - - - - - Emerald
June 22 to July 23 - - - - - Agate
July 24 to August 23 - - - - Ruby
August 24 to September 23 - Sardonyx
September 24 to October 23 - Chrysolite
October 24 to November 22 - Opal
November 23 to December 22 - Topaz
December 23 to January 20 - Turquoise
Previously in this thread it has been established that with the use of 13 zodiac signs some of our individual signs would change.
Does anyone have information on a corresponding jemstone for the missing 13th sign and how it dipsces the rest?
No Idea about the gem stones sorry. I do believe the gem stone thing is very recent and the 13th Zodiac hasn't been used for 1900 years.
i wonder how many days were in a 13th month calendar year? and this is the first i ever heard of such a thing, but im sure there were many clendars through out history that were more or less than 12 months
I remember hearing as a child that the reason 13 was considered "unlucky" was because people have 10 fingers and 2 feet (I guess toes didnt count!). Anything over 12 couldnt be trusted and the rest is history!
interesting....that would change me from a taurus to an aries.....i fit a taurus to the tee......don't know much about an aries traits
I haven't looked in here for awhile but with DarkestDesires post that would make me into a Pisces, which I have always been told that I do tend to lean towards that sign. My b-day is March 23rd. I've never heard about this before though. I've heard about the rising suns, and all those things. Are those being taken into account? I'm not that great with astrology. But does that affect the change in the signs?
But it would also make my brother a Cetus, which would make a lot of sense seeing as he has never fit into any of the roles of the signs completely.
Interesting, I would have been an Aquarius in the 'old' zodiac.
I wonder about people who think they are absolutely the epitome of their current Astral sign that are not that sign in the old zodiac- does this open your mind? Or does this show the zodiac is full of bull... as per the old zodiac I had a different personality, they decide to change and now I am a different person. pfft.
According to DarkestDesires chart (despite knowing it's a 'test') it has an extra Zodiac Sign "Cetus" .. I guess what I don't understand mostly about that is because Cetus starts March 14th, but when does it end?.. Does this zodiac sign only last a day? Not only that Pisces falls between March 12th to April 18th.. Dosen't make sense but anyway, as DD stated, it is only a test.. (Which I had done that gave me the sign Ophiuchus, despite my being an aquarius but according to Mikhails chart a capricorn ;))
This is all very interesting though.. I would never rule out possibilities. It would be great to know the particular profile on Ophiuchus and what character traits people born within this sign would/could possess. Despite this new knowlege I still feel like a typical Aquarius.. but somehow on reflecting back through relationships and most men I know, they all seem to be capricorn.. Doubt that has any relevance to this topic though lol
Thanks Lestat, you've given a lot of us something to look up and read about ;)
13th zodiac again has nothing to do with the calendar it has to do with a constellation that ties in with when your born the months stay the same. 12 months but 13 signs of the zodiac
Well if I look at the old Zodiac sign Im a Leo and the current makes me a Virgo. Sense this thread I have done some research and have found I am more of a Leo then a Virgo which was always odd to me that I didnt match much to my sign. Some things are making more sense to me.
I do not know much about the 13th zodiac and I want to know more about it. I am interested in learning more about it.
LOL Don't worry about the diplacements in the zodiac this sign hasnt been used for 1900 years the discussion is why it hasnt been used.....
On my Profile page (as everyone else) there are listings of web sites.
The one web site I have is for Thoth Web. This site pretty much carries every normal and paranormal aspect of life, religious, philosophical or otherwise. If any one has questions that they can't find a quick google answer to, try checking out Thoth. As for the 13th sign:
http://www.thothweb.com/article3217.html
Be well all
Skylla LOL don't worry your not as again this zign hasnt been used for 1900 years LOL
I'll cut and paste what I found lol..
The reason that Ophiuchus is not a part of the western astrological zodiac is because that zodiac is defined on the basis of the sun spending an equal amount of time in twelve astrological signs starting at the vernal equinox in the northern hemisphere — this is called the tropical zodiac. There is also a sidereal zodiac, which is based on the actual location of the stars in the sky, and which is used by Hindu and some Western astrologers. At present, the sun is in Ophiuchus from November 30 to December 17.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiuchus