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I would like too know, why are all vampyrs potrayed as pure evil. For there should exist good with some vampyr's. In mortals fables and books vampyr's are the true meaning of the devil, yet if we look at some cultures Dracula was a hero to his people of Romania. Does this depend on the Vampyr and the way they want to be potrayed are we just all evil. Even some witches, goth in this society is concered pure Evil even if they feel they are helping. just a question I guess.

Vlad Dracul, the MAN, the Prince and political leader is celebrated in Romania because of his strong actions to keep his people free; not because of Stoker's bastardized images of him stalking around in a cape. Celebration of Dracul also has alot to do with former dictator Chauchesku's insistence that he be revered because Chauchesku went to great lengths to emulate him and claim his legacy. That in itself should tell you what a not so nice guy that shitball was.

Vampires as evil? They are NOT portrayed that way in all fiction. In fact, Anne Rice got a lot of milage with her 'vampire with a conscience' portrayal of Louis.

Anyone who makes the claim to be a 'living vampire' is mortal and subject to the same conditions based on freedom of choice as any other human; some people are evil, some are not. There are very few conditions that would truly predispose someone toward 'evil' as most moral systems define the word.

I think most recently, the vampire has been the hero of many books or movies and there have at the very least been cases of the vampire anti-hero (the self hating do gooder who knows he is damned). I'd say in the last 30 or 40 years, most vampire stories have either had a vampire that chose to do good and fight his master (see Michael in the Lost Boys) or have chosen to do good to pay for their sins (see Angel). The books by both Anne Rice and Chelsea Quinn Yarbrough have this quality as well.

I do agree. Yet society has made regard that vamprys are emotionless people that only need is too feed. Yet a few have broke from this and have potrayed them as acting, thinking and even showing love. a mixed transiction from earlier fables and tales.

Both Sevenn and Felix make admirable points,Hollywood has begun to see the "vampire with a conscience" more and more as of late,a positive move away from the Stoker vision of a totally evil person,I prefer Oldmans version better though, what ws done or wht he bacame was out of Love,not the desire to take over the world

Hollywood has always portrayed a Vampire with no soul, which means no conscious or caring. Some state that it is replaced with the soul of a demon.

In real life, it depends on the vampire, as with any individual, there could be good and bad

i think its like there is good ones and bad ones , like there are good chritstands and bad christans,

Again it all seems to be on the public understanding of what a vampire is or does.

Let's face it in this very specialised forum there is no agreement about what a vampire does, so why should the public know any better ?

If you believed that anyone was going to drain your blood and stop just before you died, you would call them evil wouldn't you?

Until the vampires out there can agree, then seek to educate the public, you'll have to live with the reputation that Hollywood has given you

I must agree with cadre and sevenn's points both because vampires do have emotions i know that i do *grins* and i been around for quite the while and the fact that television tells people otherwise is just for entertainment they don't know the true meaning to a vampire

Even the dreaded Buffy the Vampire Slayer showed that not all vampires are evil. With Angel and Spyke, they made the claim that it isnt a 100 percent given that by being a vampire, you are evil.

As Sevenn mentioned, Ann Rice did create a sympathetic charecter whose disposition was not evil.

I am sure there are many other examples out there if one looks hard enough.

great point put across meeper and as of my oppinion vampires aren't pure evil they only act out that way because they are looking for someone who will notice them perhaps??

How long would you want to watch a woes me type of vampire in movies? Louie was fine but if you noticed her books did not dwell on his end of things.

People like to see them in a good light, vampires like the ones in Underworld or Blade. They want them to be sort of the evil turned to good avenger. It wouldn't get people into watch the movie or sell the books otherwise. It would be boring after awhile and I don't know who came up with that Vampires have no soul propaganda. Probably Stoker as he seems to account for a lot of the myth next to superstition. He used Vlads persona for his character and that is as far as it goes...they are not the same person.

This evil by nature is just a concoction I hate to say it of various religions and writers, historians that collect superstitions and the like. It's interesting to watch on the big screen or read about but that's all it is...fiction.

ahhhh but it may be fiction to u now but once u see it in RL u'll understand that it really isn't that much fiction as it is the truth

It's funny that Buffy was brought up. Angel was her good vampire who tried to do good. Did you ever notice how when Angel became it's own show it flopped? Society doesn't want a GOOD vampire. It goes against what they are comfortable believing.

Um...as others have already said, I don't know if you've noticed this but, Vampires are actually NOT depicted as evil all the time.
If you're reading in books there are plenty of examples where Vampires aren't looked at as evil, even in movies they are depicted quite differently than how you say they are.

Any time you create something that feeds mostly on humans it will sometimes be considered evil...Does that not make sense?

i understand what ur saying thats why most people accuse animals of being evil too when they truly aren't u just gotta be more careful and show them that ur not afraid of them just don't be to forceful as most people would or they really will attack you

like I have heard from alot, society is not ready to accept vampyr's as an immortal that has emotion, but as a creature of fear and evil realm that kills without mercy and care. i don't believe this, I have heard alot of emotions in this topic

ty my friend atleast i am aware of what is going on in normal society from what most other people do not get as to why i know these things but i watch i see during the night and see that they do not realize how much we do have for emotions we care dearly for the human race but we just do not show it in a way that people understand or like

A Vampire that fed ONLY upon the scum of humanity might be considered good - for killing 'evil' men and women - or evil - for killing and stealing the lifeforce of others... either way the vamp can do no right.

Good and Evil is a joke... an insane one at that... for we are born with the nature of curiosity and the freewill to do what we wish with out own lives... and yet we are dictated by an archaic and flawed system.

Abortion for example... good or evil
The Death Sentence... again

Drinking the blood of others for survival...? It is the vampire's nature and thus nature is a charge of life and death... and such is neutral no?

it's really a part in it's own but partly in both it is good for the vampire because they are just keeping themselves alive but it is bad on the human race because they need to survive too so either way it is neutral as u say Nikolai

Just like in the animal kingdom it's kill or be killed, we as beings have the knowledge to know right from wrong from black to white. It's sad that socitey shows most vampires as blood thirsty killers without a soul. It seem like now a days noone wants to see past a vile image and see the beauty that lays within. Nothing is without a soul.

that is true of humans but i speaking for the vampires know that they are just clouded and they never look past what they think they already know they always watch that Damn T.V. and it just clouds their minds more and more and there isn't any good coming of it

I don't think vampires are portrayed as evil so much anymore. Possessing a dark streak, yes, but not pure evil.

yes we are in for the dark because we can't handle the sunlight but that is just us

good point Ncbandit but there is also the fact to face that what this other fellow has just said to take into concideration is also true therefor who knows it's all a matter of oppinion in my name

very true in which i agree to u my friend but i also have the point of saying that it is true of what u have said a minute ago of much better use as to why people do not understand us (the vampire nation)

Vampires are portrayed as evil because of the propagana & obviously Hollywood Movies, though I can understand why there portrayed as evil, being as they are known for ripping peoples throats out & drinking their blood, but no, just like any individual, they choice their path wether it be good or evil, in my opinion

as i have said in the past forums from cadre it is all based on oppinion and me personally i am 1 of the good ones i don't really take the humans but i do take their livestock being i live in the middle of knowhere but i take it fresh alive don't cut it up or anything

They are not always portrayed as evil, but they do get a bad rep often. lol I suppose it would be the whole killing of humans thing that gets them that. Vampires of lore, that is...

In Hollywood movies/books, Vampires are always seen as evil, although you sympathize with the charachter for their sensitive/compassionate side, which makes you forget that they'd bite you're throat out with their teeth

Society is the one that makes vampyres out to all be evil...as well as media/entertainment.

They have always been seen as this.

However, I beleive that we all choose which path we take. Either we decide we want to do harm and be considered "evil" or we decide to make the best of this life and try to be decent beings.

ippl are affraid of the unknown and the fact that holly wood has us as fiends who kill for food asnd sometimes pleasure there are good ppl out there and all ove the world but with the knowledge of vamp is an evil persona i have met a lot of nice ppl who are vampires and witches aswell or i meant to say wiccans

Some regular human beings kill for pleasure, so ;)

Hollywood has portrayed the vampire as evil until Lost Boys came out. Then there was the classic fight between good and evil. So, I think our perception of vampires is given to us in a manner meant to scare us. If we are scared, we don't ask...

I dont think that all vampires are evil. It depends on the person. There is good and evil in everyone. It just depends on what side the person want to show.

I believe it depends on the individual. I also see Vampires as very human-like in nature. I believe we have the ability to think, feel and love just like Humans. And no one has the wright to accuse us of being hollowed out souls as they so commonly do.

agree'd but i also know that humans don't really care what it is if it is killing their race then it is EVIl they just declare that

Good and Evil, Lawful and chaotic, human and non-human.

We all have a path, each person. We pick wish path we go down. Some will have some natural draw to certain paths. But thats every one not just vampires. There are always two sides to the coin and even more on a dice.

We all have good and evil in all of us. Some just push one side more to the for front. This is human nature. We are all human, we have many different forms or beliefs but we are human we are all that we think we all, all that we think we are not, and all that we have not thought up yet.

Yes thats kind of windy, long, and even a little weird but this is a hard one for me. Since I know a vampire and she is one of my better friends. She not evil. Not all modern vampires are either. It is all in what light you see it in. Though those that are just playing the monster role are monsters. Why they where made that way (for the movie).

We are who we want to be, we might be drawn down a path, but we picked that path for what it could offer. For what is feels like.

Exactly, Phantom. I've been an Empath Psy since I can remember; but I try my best to see it as a gift and not as a curse. Which makes me come across as good, and not evil.. I would hope. As you said; to a certain degree it is a choice in terms of aditude and what image we portray.

Took me a moment to notice you where talking about me obscurumvenustas.

I know im kind hearted my self. You see, but even then a few people still see me as evil. There not many but I have seen them.

We are the some of are parts, be they material or mental. We pick which parts we use.

lol i think this is all silly but the thing is it is true as u can tell I"M DEAD but still um i never really noticed that vampires were supposedly evil as far as i've seen people are just accusing and are wrong on every level which is pointless to sit there and act like u are aloud to get away with anything they want and just keep to their hollywood explenations

Fear of the unknown...........

Pardon Me, LivingDeadGirl? I don't think I'm understanding where you are coming from here..

The perception from everyone is a big mix based on our paradigm shift to culture as we know it( deep anawer).
Evil is a mans perception only and thus yes most see vamp as evil, but it’s changing with books like lestat interview with a vamp and so forth.

i think they are like mortals, witches,etc. there are some good and some evil

I think there are good and evil of all things just as there is light and darkness

lol very true very true

I think "mere mortals" have a right to be scared...Consensual or not, blood drinking makes alot of peoples blood turn cold

i wouldn't necisarily blame it on that but the fact that they are fearing for their own kind because we are feeding off of them and they are afraid of that and so they lable us what they think of at that point in time and it sticks because we do feed on their kind only for the reason of staying alive ourselves and i would say they are more bloodthirsty then we are look at the war that is going on the Americans have lost like 1k+ people already

we're not evil. humans are more evil than us. we just drink to survive. you people just eat to not be bored

Humans aren't more evil than vampires. Thats ridiculous to say. There is evil in every race on this earth, & it's pretty equal from what I've seen.

"You people" eat not to be bored? Thats also an ignorant statement

We eat to live, just like "you"

What is not understood is often feared. Some of this comes from Vlad the Impaler and his actions, which in his day, was necessary to protect his country. And the rest is from the lack of understanding.

I think that opinions are becoming more varied, as more are coming over to "our" side. I don't think all Vampires are considered evil. People classify them as such because of their fear and misunderstanding. I'm hoping more folks out there in the world will read more Anne Rice novels. I think she portrays Vampires the best!

i think its like there is good ones and bad ones , like there are good chritstands and bad christans,

Good vs. Evil is too much of a black and white perception. There are many shades of grey in between.

All life must fight with other life to survive. The wolf kills the doe. Is the wolf evil? The doe would have eaten and killed the grass. Is the doe evil? The grass would have fought for land with other species of grasses, possibly killing them. Is the grass evil?

The answer is no to all of the above. Everything must kill something else in order to survive. Usually this killing process is for the betterment of the species being killed. The wolves hunt the older or injured deer. The deer's eating of various plant species helps that species reproduce... etc.

So then, are vampires evil? No. I believe the need to feed off of others blood or psychic energies to be LESS evil than the man who comes home from work drunk and beats his wife.

The pop culture that shows vampires as evil uses their various plot lines to keep the masses sated so they can watch tv and be stupid rather than pay attention to what is really going on around them.

I believe that nothing is born evil. Some things, creatures, humans are born under “evil” signs. And some are born with darker souls but I think that it all has to do how strong ones will power is. Even if you are born with “evil” tendencies, if you are strong enough to fight it then you are good.

i must agree on most parts of this forum because it is equal throughout everybody is evil in many ways but.......... the fact is, is that it is for survival most of the time therefor everyone is evil

It has always been, and will always be without someone opening up to something new to understand it that people will label things evil.

I suffer from this in my own town every time I go out, even my child has received ill-treatment because of it. They label me evil because they do not understand me. When asked why they simply say,"it is because you are suppose to be that way by nature, or so I was told."

That leaves me to wonder why don't they try to understand rather than judge me? Hence the nature of mankind to label that which they do not understand, and choose not to understand because of prejudice and old set ways.

I could label them evil for stupidities sake in deciding to be blind, and not seeing that what's in front of them for what it really is.

I think part of it was, that legends portrays vampires as demons , in league with the devil..yadda yadda, and so since they are demons they are always portrayed as the bad guys.
But over the years the bad guys or bad boys are becoming ever more sexy and beautiful.And yes like Anne Rice, has there not always been something wonderfully wicked about being locked in a vampires embrace.

I agree with Kevil.

She states it so perfectly, I don't know what else to add.

The simple act of survival is not evil, Bdsprotector. It just... IS.

i have to agree with nocturnal

I don't believe that all vampires are evil by nature. The majority of them may choose to be evil based on what they've seen in the movies and read in the books. "Evil" is more of a personal concept, rather than an overall characteristic.

It doesn't make you evil, people HAVE to eat, but killing something like a human, is evil, because we can think for ourselves, were intelligent beings

It's alot different to killing a chicken that just eats, shits, and sleeps with no intelligence

I completely agree with pheonixrising

Simply put, killing our own kind for food is wrong & classed as cannibalism. However killing unintelligent animals for survival is a necissary part of our survival

lol i must say that Hellacious is right in every aspect but............. we are not cannibals lol everything needs to feed just like everything else thats just how it is

vampires are good or evil
blood drinkers or other
the sky is the limit

I really never understood this one myself...not all vampires are evil...i guess a mojority of people would like to believev this though out of fear!!!

understand it from my point of view of being 1 for so long i am not 1 to be messed with but......... i do have emotions and that is what most people don't understand i do feel remorse for every victim that falls to me but i must do what i must do to stay alive

It think it all depends on the outlook that you choose to see yes there are some that are/can be "pure evil" but even in humanity there are people that are "pure evil" i believe that people use vampyres as a tool of their fear because they don't want to believe that humanity has "pure evil" in their closed minded world, im not saying that all vampyres are good yes there will be a "bad apple" in the bunch but most just want to live the life they chose or where born into.

Well I think Vampires were painted evil by supersition and certain religions. Just like witches were painted as evil. It is also individuals that make things worst by their conduct and actions to enhance this so called evil aspect.

i concur, evil is what man see's and do and how we portray it. some say things r evil some say their not....it is ones perception

i agree very much so to that with u peg however u spell ur name lol

Thru history witches , vampires and werewolf were potrayed as mindless cretures of evil. But after this we now have determined us like mortals, with a brain and feelings. cool. i have come across here that they have no care in the world only to feed and sleep,

I don't believe in GOOD nor EVIL
I believe in CHOICES

It is true that Vlad Dracul was considered a hero among his people, but he was not a vampire. He did partake in blood drinking, but used this as a means to gain the upper hand during times of war. And, I do not believe vampires should be portrayed as pure evil. Just as I don't think the entire human race should be portrayed as pure evil. There is evil everywhere. Some people are evil, but not all. Some vampires are evil, but not all. But to condemn the entire vampire community is not right. We are not like everyone else, but pure evil. I think not.

humanity needs someone to be evil, b/c without their "enemy" they would not be able to divert attention from their own bad sides and negative aspects. so of coarse they will take someone different and blow certain aspects out of proportion and skew other aspects around untill there is but a shadow of truth, which is just enough to make everyone believe the lies.

People always fear what the do not understand,Nothing is evil,evil is a choice we all make within ourselves,I view vampires as Salvation,darkness is always portrayed as well darkness but to some it is the only light they feel.

I have always thought of vampires as very unique ... a lust for blood and a yearning for true love.But I guess I'm just strange...

hmmmmm heh, please define the word "evil " in detail, because what may be evil to you may be good to someone else and vice versa, in all thought of the two words there truly is no difference between "good" and "evil" only how certain individuals percieve the two.

Good, evil... it all depends on the author. The writer is in control of how you will judge the character. In REAL-life, it depends on YOU.

Vampires as evil? They are NOT portrayed that way in all fiction. Anne Rice has had alot of success with her 'vampire with a conscience' in her story of Louis.


As for Dracula . You may think this is weird . I usaully side with the Turks on the issue . But I Vlad was a hero to his people . He did what he had to do to protect his people and frighten his enemies . In fact when the Turkish Army came to his Castle and country they thanked Allah )God) in arabic , for giving them such a mighty adversary .

*gasp* that is an EXSELENT question! i know some vamps and witches that are very good! and i've come across vamps and witches that are "evil" but not all are just evil!

Could it be in the genes? like some people are just born bad and maybe the name "vampire" was tabbed unto them?

In my opinion, nothing is pure evil nor pure good.
all have a balance of things.
If not equal, then there is some of the opposite within. Even unintentionally.

Midnitepentacle, you never met my pet! lol

I do believe it is true that many times- people are just totally imbalanced- and not really accountable for their actions. I don't use that lightly though. I do not use it as an excuse for people. But I totally believe it to be the case for some. It's mental illness.

not evil - just misunderstood

i believe its ignorance on the part of people that think vampires are just pure evil because they have not taken the time to educate themselves on the subject and some hollywood movies do not help the situation either

yes I am evil

From what I've heard, the ones whom aren't considered evil are considered to be lachrymose and moody. So between the two, I'm not too sure which one I am.

christian society did thato keep there sheep in lin, it was the way thingswere done back then

well yes most are sep me but yess i think the good side is best

People look at me and think Im satanist just because wat I am wearing and the funny part is that's illegal so I dont get why If someone is different they freak out asuming the worst; Because personally I choose to be helpful and responsible shouldnt that count for something not the way i look or for wat I believe....

There is no good without bad (evil). No one thing, be it human, vampire or animal, can claim to be exclusively good or exclusively bad. One cannot exist without the other. It's a balancing act. Take a rose for example (why must I always use roses for my examples?) - it is a beautiful flower and smells wonderful (good), but it has thorns (bad). We all have our good parts and our bad parts.

Vampires are considered evil because they are percieved as wantonly taking from others: blood,energy, and lie. It is a very simplistic misunderstanding of most people not enlightened about the culture.

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