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Karen Greenlee is a necrophiliac. Five years ago she made national headlines when she drove off in a hearse and wasn't heard from for two days. Instead of delivering the body to the cemetery she decided to spend some time alone with the corpse. Eventually, the police found her in the next county, overdosed on codeine Tylenol.

She was charged with illegally driving a hearse and interfering with the burial (there is no law in California against necrophilia). In the casket with the body Karen left a four-and-a-half page letter confessing to amorous episodes with between twenty to forty dead men. The letter was filled with remorse over her sexual desires: "Why do I do it? Why? Why? Fear of love, relationships. No romance ever hurt like this ... It's the pits. I'm a morgue rat. This is my rathole, perhaps my grave."


The letter proved to be her downfall. For stealing the body and the hearse, she got eleven days in jail, a $255 fine, and was placed on two years probation with medical treatment recommended.


Meanwhile, the mother of the dead man sued, claiming the incident scarred her psyche. She asked for $1 million, but settled for $117, 000 in general and punitive damages.


This woman fascinated me because during the discussion with a reporter, she stood to the point that she found nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

It gets better. During the Interview she was asked:



The question I am most often asked is, "How does she do it?"
Yes, that's the question! People ask questions like that-- even people who seem pretty cool, seem to have open minds-- then when you tell them, they say, "That's very interesting," then don't want to have much to do with me. I don't mind telling people how I do it. It doesn't matter to me, but anyone adept sexually shouldn't have to ask. People have this misconception that there has to be penetration for sexual gratification, which is bull! The most sensitive part of a woman is the front area anyway and that is what needs to be stimulated.
Besides, there are different aspects of sexual expression: touchy-feely, 69, even holding hands. That body is just lying there, but it has what it takes to make me happy. The cold, the aura of death, the smell of death, the funereal surroundings, it all contributes.
The smell of death?
Sure, I find the odor of death very erotic. There are death odors and there are death odors. Now you get your body that's been floating in the bay for two weeks, or a burn victim, that doesn't attract me much, but a freshly embalmed corpse is something else.
There is also this attraction to blood. When you're on top of a body it tends to purge blood out of its mouth, while you're making passionate love .. You'd have to be there, I guess.



Thing is, she seems mentally stable and has no remorse whatsoever.
Would you find her justified?
Or did she get off too easy?

haha, Awesome.

She shouldn't have gotten charged with anything. And the stupid mother should have been at least some good came out of the incident. She just wanted extra cash to pay off her drug bills....

If someone is going to go to those lengths to get some, More power to them....hahahaa.

well... um i dont know what tyo say at this one

seems mentally stable? i wouldn't go so far as to say that. and her letter does suggest some sort of remorse. she seems to be in the grip of a compulsion she cannot control. she needs help, not punishment.

One could argue that they came to her....albeit dead.....they still came to her...so she might indeed be able to say that they didn't have to come to her....and you can't rape the willing. As she was willing, and well they are lifeless meat, i don't see whats wrong.

Marrage vows only last till death do us part....so they parted and the guy was able to have some last nookie....

I don't see a problem. Not my taste or style but its hard to harm a corpse, might as well go to some use before being maggot food.

Are you really suggesting that the dead men were asking for it?

It must be nice to have no connection to the deceased... to have no semblance of dignity or honor for beloved ones that passed away.

It must also be nice to be able jump to conclusions about anyone who suffers from a pathology. Making fun of anyone who suffers from a mental pathology is uncalled for.

Right, I have a lot of thoughts on this one.

1) She should have been charged with rape and sexual interfering
2) She needs to be in therapy
3) She should have gotten more time for stealing private property
4)How do you over dose on tylenol?

Now with that said, I will slightly go off topic by mentioning the Canadian film "KISSED" which is about necrophilia. In that film the morgue worker falls in love with preparing the body as much as the sex. It is said to be based on interviews much like the article you quoted from.

I am not suggesting anything of the sort.

However, I do have no connection to the dead. The thing that made them what I loved was gone, all that remains is an empty vessel. Not be mourned for loss of life, but to be remembered for the life they lead.

I will not say its pathology, or she raped dead men, or what have you. But I will say, that she would not have gotten in trouble if she didn't steal the corpse.

Hmmmmm

I guess to each his own, but I think as a society this is something we frown upon.

A society which one does not chose to belong?

One just does? Shouldn't it accept all aspects of the members within it? To be a true society where each can grow in the ways that are best for not only themselves and others?

It makes such acts of sexual appitites frowned upon, but why? Its just a pile of meat, no more alive then your favorite sex toy.

The thing which made it alive is gone, what does it care?

If anyone thinks she was mentally stable......think I would have to dissagree lol

I definitely think that she got off too easy.Not only is it a form of rape in my opinion, but you could probably consider it to be a form of kidnapping as well. Unless you want to consider a body as property. Then it is still theft...

While we may not agree on the sanctity of a dead body, but I would hope that we can agree that many religions look unfavorable upon the desecration of the dead.

I think she got off way too easy...not only is that pretty repulsive, but I have to agree, it's disrespectful to the dead's families.

Personally, I love the idea that my dead corpse be a playtoy for the woman or a man in the future, because it is alot more common than people think.

Here is more to the Interview:


Did you usually attend the funerals of your corpse-lovers?



Yeah. It was convenient working in the funeral homes. I'd get to drive out to the cemetery with the family. I'd get to mourn right along with the family at the loss of that loved one. Except I was groaning in a little different tone! People can't really tell if you're grief stricken or passion-stricken. I've had members of the families put their arms around me and say, "We're so glad you could come!" Then you have to spin this big old yarn, "Yeah, I knew him in school...." If the guy didn't have a girlfriend in life they think you were ... "Oh, she's the one!"
You weren't in Sacramento at the time of the trial, were you?
No, I was working in a funeral home in another city and going to school at the same time. It's weird, but the day I got a telegram about the trial telling me to get in touch with my attorney, I went in to the funeral home and was fired for things I had done at that funeral home. Somebody, I guess, got wise of me. I know I wasn't seen, but I think somebody just figured it out. Of course, they didn't know about Sacramento yet. They found out later! The same day, within five hours of each other, two totally different things caught up with me.
I worked in that funeral home for almost a year. That's where I did a lot of my extracurricular activities. I had keys so I'd slip back in after hours and spend all night there. A guy lived at the funeral home in an apartment downstairs. He drank so he usually passed out. He had a .357 magnum under his pillow.


The guy that court case was about--
John Mercure?



Yeah. I understand he was moved out of the cemetery after the trial.
That happened at the time I was breaking into this funeral homes. There was a side room, one of those arrangement areas, where they always have their case folders out. I read there was an exhumation order for John Mercure. Then I read something in the paper about it. His mother wanted the body exhumed, said she wouldn't bury her cat there. On the day he was suppose to be exhumed I snuck out into a field across from where he was buried. I sat out in the field and watched them dig up the body and give him to this other mortician. They shipped him back to Michigan.



When did you first become aware of your necrophilia?


It's something I've been attracted to all my life. I used to hold funeral services for my pets when they died. Had a little pet graveyard. I lived in a small town and the fireman's barbecue was next door to the funeral home. To go to the bathroom you had to use the facilities in the funeral home. I'd find any excuse I could to go to the bathroom, then I'd take side trips and wander around the mortuary.


It didn't scare you like the other kids?

No, I loved it! I was real curious. I'd wander around the halls....
Do you miss working in funeral homes?
Yes, terribly! Even if I wasn't a necrophile, I like mortuary work. I enjoy embalming and everything. Except for obese people. The bodies I hated working on most were Obese people. 'Specially if they'd been autopsied. Their guts would slide out on the floor and shit ... and all this melty fat. Yeeeech!


You said something previously about "The Vampire Killer," Richard Trenton Chase. He was from Sacramento, wasn't he?


Yeah, the second funeral home I worked for-- I wasn't working there at the time-- got the bodies of Chase's victims, a man and a woman and their child, so I hear the gory details of what the bodies looked like. They were really butchered. They were disemboweled with shit stuffed in their mouths. Chase started by killing animals and drinking their blood and when he wasn't satisfied with that he graduated to people. He killed this couple, then kidnapped their child, killed it and later threw it in a trash can. The mortician who embalmed the bodies said he hardly ever got queasy about anything, but he got sick when he saw those bodies!



What's the weirdest case you ever encountered.


Hmmm ... There was one kid who fell out of a car while his mother was making a turn and she managed to run over his head. Another kid choked to death on a cigarette wrapper. One guy committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with a pellet rifle. He had to shoot himself several times and it took him a while to die, but he finally succeeded. There was another guy I worked on. He was a transvestite who somehow strangled himself with his nylons. I don't think it was intentional, I think he was trying to achieve heightened orgasm through strangulation and he ended up hanging himself. He wouldn't be the first to make that mistake.



How about the most unusual funeral?


One time this bunch of religious fanatics held a funeral for one of their members. They didn't want her embalmed, they just wanted her dressed and in the casket. We usually didn't do that, but we decided to be nice and put her up in the stateroom. We were standing outside of that stateroom and we heard someone saying, "Rise in the name of Jesus!" They were preying and slapping the body. They were talking in tongues. That was weird!


There seems to be a strong camaraderie between morticians. Almost like a secret society.


Very much so. Morticians are very tight with each other because most people won't have anything to do with them. I used to find if I went to a party I'd always be introduced like, "This is Karen and she's a mortician." But they don't say, "Here's Karen-- she's a secretary," or "she's a veterinary assistant." A lot of people are under the misconception that morticians are very straight, very somber. If they ever went back into the prep room and heard all the jokes that are cracked it would blow that theory right out the window.


Did any of those morticians ever testify for or against you at the trial?

One funeral director testified on behalf of funeral practices. He was asked how often necrophilia occurs. He said, "It's almost unheard of in this profession."
That's a major lie!
Yes, definitely ... necrophilia is more prevalent than most people imagine. Funeral homes just don't report it. There was one place that I broke into, and I know that they knew something was wrong. They actually caught me in the act and let me get away.
At another place I was working, this guy came up to me and said, "Someone's been messin' with the body. It looks like they were trying to fuck the body!" I said, "Oh my goodness! Really?" I think they figured it out later. I know they know now.
One mortician I worked with used to like to a trocar [a large hollow needle used to suction fluids from corpses] and push it up inside any male cadaver's dick. He'd say, "Oh look, the corpse has got a boner." This guy was really weird. He looked like Larry of the Three Stooges. I think he had some necrophilic tendencies. He'd get real upset if there weren't any female bodies to work on. He'd start pacing. I caught him one time in the prep room. He said he was just taking a pee in the hopper at the end of the table. He was just pulling up his pants when I walked in. I said, "I won't tell if you don't."




You say you were once caught in the act of necrophilia once?



Yeah. I had tried to kill myself and was living in a halfway house a couple of blocks up from this funeral home. I decided to go to the mausoleum and try and kill myself again. The mausoleum had a door connecting it to the mortuary. I was sitting in there, real depressed, when, just for the hell of it, I decided to try running my driver's license along the edge of the door and click! the door popped open. I couldn't believe it, so I tried it again and the door popped open again! I went into the prep room and there happened to be a body in there. I had me some fun, did my thing and forgot all about killing myself. I told the folks at the halfway house that I stayed the night with friends. I went in there several times. Sometimes there were absolutely no bodies, so I turned around and snuck back out. I usually went in the back door.
About a week later I snuck back into the funeral home. I was on the prep table having a good old time, when all of a sudden I felt like there was somebody nearby. Next thing, I heard people walking down the hallway. I quietly jumped off the table and threw the sheet back over the body. My clothes were in quite a state of disarray, and I had blood on me and everything else-- it had been an autopsy case. There was a casket with the lid open in the side casket-room, so I ran and hid behind it. The casket was on a church-truck so they couldn't see me, but they could see my legs. It was a man and a woman. There were standing there saying, "Who are you? What are you doing here?" One of them said to the other, "you go get the gun and call the cops and I'll stay down here." I knew I only had one chance then, so I busted out and ran. I knew the layout of the place, so I just ran down the hall and out of the place and out of the cemetery.
At the time I still had a friend who worked at the funeral home. He said, "Somebody broke into the funeral home. They know it was you." They put in an alarm after that. I think they called the police, but there were never any charges. I'm sure they didn't want the publicity.
That was the last time I got very close, except for I've broken into a few tombs.


Have you seen any changes in people's attitudes towards necrophilia?


Yeah, when I came out here I noticed it. It's almost a fad! They're not really necrophiles, but pseudo-necrophiles. Like a death cult! But there are probably a lot of people who would do it if they had the opportunity.
Perhaps there is this vast network of necrophiles, who, for lack of a forum, will never know of each other's existence.
Well, there's Leilah [Wendell's] group [American Association of Necrophilic Research and Enlightenment]. They try and get some information out about it.
It must be frustrating when people say, "we have to cure you," or "you've got to be more like us."
It is. For a while I found myself thinking, "Yeah, this isn't normal. Why can't I be like other people. Why doesn't the same pair of shoes fit me just right?" I went through all that personal hell and finally I accepted myself and realized that's just me. That’s my nature and I might as well enjoy it. I'm miserable when I try to be something I'm not. And too, a lot of these people who are putting me down have hang-ups worse than I have, or they do things that might be considered questionable by their peers. I had a gay friend who, when he found out I was a necrophile, said, "You can go to hell for that." After 1979, when I was put on probation, part of the probation requirement was that I seek therapy. I had a really nice social worker. She was cool. Very nonjudgmental. The more I talked to these people, the more I realized necrophilia makes sense for me. The reason I was having a problem with it was because I couldn't accept myself. I was still trying to live my life by other peoples standards. To accept it was peace. These people who are always trying to change me only helped me get myself more in touch with my feelings. I used to go from the therapist's office to the funeral home. It didn't work, folks!

She seems more normal then most...

I think she got off way too easy. Nine states do not have laws banning sex with a corpse. Because the victims are no longer living they are not covered by the sexual deviance laws which is unfortunate. Anyway it is just sick.

I know! Thats why I find her so intirguing.


And I must ask the others a question.
If you are a dead corpse, you would REALLY care if someone wanted to "play" with your dead self.

DAHLINGS, DAHLINGS.
Your dead, it really matters that much to you?
Just out of curiosity.

lol...sht well I think i going to be cremated..but i mean i sure that ppl dont want there body mess with....but i bet if it was a guy having sex with dead girls they would have lock his ass up

Great point, great point.
If this woman were a man, (he) would have gotten a stronger sentence I believe.
...sadly.
hmmm.

Well about the necro-pedophilia, obviously you would wanna kill his ass, but being that only adult cases are reported, not much can be said with that argument.



And I have to disagree, when you die, you are of your own essence. A family does not "own" your corpse, they just take the responsibility of burying/cremating/whatever else with it...

Technically, legally they own it. They make the decisions on what happens to it.

Imagine

You have a lovely point. I would also dismember anyone who did that to a child, or a loved one. But the point remains, Would you be so judgemental of someone who has sex with your living son or daughter and it was consentual?

When does the person cease becoming property, if they are 20 years old, or 40 years old and they engage in what ever sexual fetishes get their rocks off whose to say they are not your property then? So any family could claim that there was disrespect done to their property to a jilted lover, which makes sexual intercourse with everyone a crime. Even in marriage it becomes a crime because the property belongs to the instution of marrage and any sex violates the nature of the instution.

Punishment should not even begin to cross anyones mind. Someone like that should get help. Lots and lots of help. There is nothing mentally stable about enjoying sexual relationships with a person that isn't breathing, and has a heart-beat.

I might enjoy morbid but unless the dea had agreed to it before death then its wrong and is punishable

So then could you say the same about someone who has more attachment to a vibrator then they do another breathing person??

If you had to choose pathology at least the corpse is dead....not living and unwilling, not young....The thing which makes it worth something is to the person to whom sees it having value.

So if someone sees that a corpse laying lifeless, cold, and bringing no one anything, whats one last act of use that that person could have in the life of someting else?

Then you may as well say, lets cut up the dead and make them into burgers.

The difference with the vibrator is that the instrument in question was not at one point in time apart of a family, or born of flesh and blood. It's an inanimate object that. Though you could argue a corpse is inanimate, it moved, on free will at one point.

Caravall we do that anyway.....


cows are dead, vegies are dead, as well as anything else that we eat. It ceases to be living.

...again its not an extreme persay that I support but getting back to the original question I find her mentally fancinating.

As do I, I dont know how she was able to do all that and be so stable.

(And yes there are vegs in here...but we're not going to get into that) *cringe*

How was she stable ?

This just disturbs me on so many levels I dont know where to start. The most disturbing to me I think, is the people commenting in this thread that think there is nothing wrong with this woman!

All entitled to their own opinion, dahling.

well i guess she like them stiff..lol now that was wroug..but that is just as wroun as the people that have sex with animals. you can always friends sex even if you have to pay for it..hell i bet she could found a guy to lay there like he was dead

I personally do not think she raped or kidnapped a body, she stole a dead body and yes she should be punished but she mainly needs help...

I know Kitten.. I know.. not criticizing anyone.. just expressing my own disturbed-ness.. lol

To me it sounds like the person needs help

wow what an awesome post kitten. I would have to agree with infernal image on just about every single thing he said in this post. its not illegal. maybe morally wrong. but again thats about perception.

well I agree on the fact it was livng at one point with a free will and rights, now its a lifeless corpse that belong to the family who is in right and title to decid what they want to do with it.

So thsi means like it was mention before, unless the dead has post it in their will and testament that they wanna be rape and have sex once dead, then if its not in their will and testament then the person should be punish but in a mental institute not in prison.

1: She is interfering erotically with the diceased. They don't choose to do so. It is considered to be rape and violation of rights.
2: This is sodomism. I think that neither the poor dead guy nor his family and friends would agree with something like this.
It is probably a psychotic syndrom and needs emediate treatment.
I don't question wether it's sick or not (though my opinion is that it is more than sick). I question it morally. Nobody has the right to do such a thing. At least not without the written permission of the non-briething-guy and his relatives (well, I don't think that in someone's will it would go like : "...I leave my old baseball bat to John. p.s. Before I am buried for good and see the world orisontally, make sure that I have a quick f***k with anyone interested. Kisses, Daddy."

Deffinately an interesting post, and about made me sick

Well, I am about getting sick when I think about someone practising 69 with a 3-day-dead, smelling, bleuish corpse...
(are ou sick, yet or shall I continue)
:P

hahaha i just think that funny hell i think i would do the same some dead women are hot as hell

I mean if someone did this to one of my family members i would be mad, but what i do not understand is why did the mother sued for money, what is the money going to do for her...

um...not sure what to say...I mean it's a little...desterbing in a way....but I guess everyone is different.....

RavenKnight,
I totally agree with you.
If money can ease her pain and agony, well, I wouldn't like to become a parent like her...

I don't think there's anything wrong morally with the actual Necrophilia part of the crime.

The fact that she stole a hearse and a corpse was pretty wrong though, I mean how do you think the family felt? I would have been pretty pissed if the corpse was my deceased loved one.

Well..I would be 2 things...
1:extremely Pissed off
2:deep behind bars...

lol, true, true.

I am sorry if this post disturbs others on a level, but you cant ignore the fact that these things do happen.

Maybe Im the ignorant one to the fact that yes, she stole a hearse, I'd be furious as well. Ill give you that.

But besides that, she didnt do anything illegal.

It wasnt until I really looked into it that I found out my little Cali state never made it against the law to perform such acts.

Not that Im complaining! More journalism for me, haha, Ill need a "juicy" story
tee hee.

Sorry bad joke...

I think it would depend a lot on your laws.

I know in the UK that a corpse is 'neither person nor property' but, in this situation, the authorities would probably turn to its mental health laws to decide if the person would be free to disrespect a body again. So while they may not break any laws, society still has a way of control

It would be interesting to debate (off forum) if a body has 'rights' and at what level - taking out organs for donation would come into a new light I guess - what about embalming them - In the UK the funeral wishes of the dead person are laid down in the will, but the next of kin don't have to follow them - if the body still has rights how would they stand in any of these situations

One thing to keep in mind and it's not so much in defense of the practice as just to keep all the facts up front.

Once a body has been embalmed, it's not quite the blue looking decomposing corpse of our imagination. In fact, I found embalmed corpses to be so completely changed as to not be the recognizable family member I thought I was there to see. They look and (probably) feel a bit like a plastic doll or a rubber mask than a real corpse.

As to the crime, desecration of a corpse could be argued I believe in all 50 states and most of the civilized world. As to whether necrophelia is desecration, I also think most courts would side against the necrophiliac.

It wouldnt suprise me artemka.
Deceased person's rights.
lol, what more can they come up with.

This is sickening and disturbing. It's good to see which members I want nothing to do with... not that I personally converse with anyone here anyway.

If you keep arguing the fact the a dead body is nothing, not a person, nada, zilch... then just go to an adult store and buy goodies there. No need to disrespect a grieving family. People that do this sort of thing have no feelings for their fellow man. Feelings for those living. And without that, I would argue they would do any number of other things in this world without care. They should be watched like a hawk.

and I thought I was open minded!!!!

I don't think this has anything to do with being open-minded. Have some logic here. Step away from self-involvement. There are more people in this world than you that just so happen to (on the majority) feel this is horrific and wrong. IF you can't understand that. You're living on the wrong planet.

Hmm, I wouldnt call it nothing.

But if that's how you feel dahling, I'm more than happy to hear it.

One can donate organs, be cremated, be fed to worms in the earth. But would ONE (Im not talking of the family) really care whose touching your body.

Now the immature thing your doing right now is wrapping it around me, saying Im unethical. Ok, sure.

But is it ethical to be buried/cremated/donated if you care so much about yours?

When Im dead, Im dead. If someone fools around with me, am I really able to stop them? Would you?

NO, xKittenLovecraftx- I directed nothing at you solely. I directed my comments at anyone who think this practice is okay.

The "majority" shouldnt have an influence into your own answers.

It is when you are in the majority. And I am on this topic.

Ok, be that as it may.
Well then intirigue me as to why you feel this way, besides desecration to a corpse or family values.

Beyond being dishonorable? I also think it's just plain sick to fool around with a dead body. It's en route to decay, embalmed or not. It's gross. I don't feel a bit 'strange' for feeling this way. It's normal to have this stance.

Anti

Well aside from being a negative vote to anyone who cares not for the dead as an individual, or for the family.

Personally lets be honest. I don't care. The only family I have are my friends. As for the corpses and grieving of others. Thats theirs to do with what they will. Doesn't concern me in my day to day at all.

I have no respect for sniviling souls who pester anyone who things "outside of normal stricture" because they are to afraid to think for themselves.

I have known many good people who do all sorts of very bizarre sexual things to engage their tastes. They are some of the kindest, nice, most caring bunch I have ever met.

Now I am only posing my thoughts that the only wrong she did was break and enter, and steal a hearse.

I could care less what she did with the body, if she wanted to cut it apart for use for components in rituals, or fry it on the grill that is her choice to make. But if she is going to get a simple harmless orgasm from it. Then more power to her. This world is in a sad state when it cares so much about how other people get their rocks off its pathetic.

Yes anti. I direct this in your general direction because of the lack of understanding you show towards your fellow human. No one gets off in the same way, nothing scratches their itch in the same way. So let them have a little fun. It doesn't do any harm to her or any harm to the family. Any emotional scars the family may suffer happened long before the person died.

So normal to you would be of majority belief?

Working at a funeral home, I really don't even know where to start on this one. I can't stress enough how disturbed I am by this. I work with grieving families every day and I can tell you, until that body is put into the ground and probably forever thereafter, it remains that familie's loved one. It's still someone's wife, father, mother, brother...whether some of you find worth in it at all.

Also, being in the prep room a lot, I can tell you that no matter how you romanticize it, a dead body is in no way enticing. It's just so wrong.

Apparently some of you are lucky enough as not to be touched very closely by death. When you are, I'm sure your opinion will change greatly.

You know what? Sometimes normal IS the majority's beliefs.

It's normal to think molesting children is wrong.

It's normal to think killing people is wrong.

It's normal to think stealing is wrong.

It's NORMAL to think sex with the dead is wrong.

Don't try and stick this in the same box as being goth or a human vampire and the world should just try to understand. It's so not the same. And I couldn't give a care how abnormal you think I am for feeling this way.

Also, you might want to note that since 2005 or 2006, there is a California law against necrophilia. It is also a long standing against mutilation or desecrate a body. You even have to prove that your embalming techniques were not too invasive if it is questioned.

THANK YOU, WynterMourn! To all those who say this is not against the law- where'd you get your info???

My boyfriend is an embalmer and taking law classes in mortuary college. I'm also a funeral counselor and have a giant book of regulations at home somewhere.

Thank you for that update, Mourne. I was just about to look for that haha.

And antithesis, I was in no way trying to partake to that level, I dont believe in the whole goth posing theme, people need to be themselves in my book. So dont assume dahling.

I was saying that if the majority is considered normal, then is it so abnormal to have a differing belief?

Well it all depends on the nature of that belief. We have to have some boundaries.

so then a guy who died and came back from the dead in order to save mankind???

thats impossible right??

Not to me :) But then again it is my personal belief that particular man was also fully divine and not your run of the mill John Doe.

*On a side note- great thread! I appreciate a topic that is not a dime a dozen in the General Forum.*

Most of the religious ideas about desecration is all superstition. It's been handed down from generation to generation.

No, I'm not saying that what this woman did is ok. I don't condone what she did. I'm just making a statement of my opinion on a comment about religious ideas concerning desecration.

This really is the most fun I have had in a while.

However to those who bring the legal issues into this. No where was it stated that it was not against to do things such as cutting apart a corpse for any purpose. That was merely to be her business anything legal, would be need to be adreesed in a legal forum. However, if she felt the want/need/desire to do such things. Then that is on her.


As for sexual deliquencies such as this. Well, those are hers to enjoy.

In relation to the nice "normal" and "safe" world?? I live in the same world as you do, i don't find one normal thing about it, nor is it safe.

It is not safe when one crosses the road and is hit by a yuppie in her super sized SUV because she was on her cell phone. It is not safe when perfect strangers throw rocks at you because you are different from them. It is not safe when people try to kill you because they wanted you to remember that your life belonged to them. It is not safe when you have to carry a weapon or more when walking down the road, and I am not talking of mace, or a cell phone. It is not safe, when you could be arrested under the patriot act for any opnion spoken against the government.

Tell me what is safe, and you will be speaking lies.

I knew the topic would be quite controvercial, but we need a sidetrack from all these neverending vampire threads. Not that its not a great topic, it just seems to get repetative.

I will be doing another journalism research project by next month.

So I'll assure you they wont be dull.
I think Ill be writing on that damned Iranian President who claimed "homosexuality isn't in our country, you seem to have it in your country but we dont have it" and "We are very good to our women, we respect them"
Oh I about fell out of my seat.
Should've recorded it.

Lol, AND saying the holocaust never happend and switching around stories from here to there, omg its great.

Gotta love politics. Anyway, that is for another time.

Well tata dahlings.

I can't wait for the Homo one....that should be tasty...

That is beyond sick and that woman needs some serious help. There is no reason for that kind of thing. I am disgusted that she is even proud of being like that.

I find it distasteful... Pure and simple..............

This seems to have either run it's course or just run off course.

Necrophilia is considered a sexual compulsion which is different from something like sexual preference or what color clothes you wear. The woman herself made reference to her 'need' to get off this way. While I agree that even fairly hardcore fetishes can be kept healthy, hers involves acts that offend and traumatize the relatives of the dead and while a callous man and even a rational man can say that the body itself isn't feeling any offense, most of us would acknowledge that it isn't appropriate behavior because of the disrespect to surviving family. The knowledge of this action is in fact trauma and the family is harmed by it.

Her desire to 'hang out' with the family afterward only supports the idea that half of her jollies come from the knowledge that she is secretly desecrating their loved one.

Legally, as I said, most government courts would at least consider this desecration of a body without needing a charge of necrophilia in order to prosecute.

Felix said: The knowledge of this action is in fact trauma and the family is harmed by it.

You hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately we are hearing from some people that they have no care for the trauma and feelings of those people :(

in the UK that act is punishable by a minimum of 7 years - if the court took into account her 'attitude' it would be doubled to 14 years or even life if she wasn't a first timer

I was working at Hottopic as a third key manager when this man walked in. He had this jet black hair and insanely dark eyes. His shirt said "Necrophilia - Crack open a cold one" I was pretty disgusted but I managed a smile and acted fine. He was buying stickers for his hearse. They said charming things that would have made me ill had I been watching a loved one driven away in that. He looked me up and down without any shame or subtlety and as he handed me his card he slipped his fingers over my wrist and down along my palm. "Just incase anything ever happens to you." he said.

He was a mortician. My co-workers laughed themselves into hysteria. I was as dumbstruck as I would ever be. I gave the card to my family and made them swear to never let this guy near my corpse.

Well I think what some of us are missing is her actions centered around the sneaking, the defiling, and then flaunting it either by showing up to a funeral and knowing they don't know what she just did or by announcing it in an interview. There's something intentionally hurtful about her actions that makes it even worse.

If in fact she was just attracted to the dead and nothing else, likely no one would have found out. Her discovery was probably tied to her taking more and more risky chances and being caught.

She is disturbed, disconnected, something. I have talked to a necro on a different website because she was calling me sick for bdsm and her profile was a how to on sex with dead men. The thin pipe sewn into the penis was as far as I got.
I would not want my body no matter how lifeless to be raped by some sick stranger. I certainly wouldn't want any of my family to go to jail for killing the person that did it.

but isn't necrophilea a desease of the mind?

Well put it this way, what if you husband/wife kept your corpse and had sex with you.


Would that be such a crime as well?

He/she IS of family and since so many claim that once your dead, the family owns you, so why not?

I think that's sick too.

OO thats a good point....interesting...

So if your lamenting husband has sex with you, you would find it sickening?

I think it's sick what this woman does.... not because she accually does it but because of the fact she has no real moral standing..... I have a friend who talks like she does.... he hasn't done it but the way he describes it I would assume it is a dream of his.... I don't shun him because of it but I don't think he would do it either.... personally if she got caught I think she was let off easy because others are not supposed to know you have done it.....if you get caught then I think the punishment should hurt....

I wouldn't be caught dead with a necrophiliac lol

And if you like Beastiality, necrophilia and S & M you could say you like flogging a dead horse.

My mate used to be a necrophiliac... until the rotten person split on him.

My girlfriend recently broke up with me after rejecting the idea that we have sex in a graveyard.

I'm not too upset though............she'll die eventually lol

How am I psychotic if this is a news story?

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