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Hundreds of tourist have been posing back parts of Ayers rock due to a lot of bad luck.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/uluru-tourists-return-cursed-souvenirs-826266.html

what do you think causes this?

well ayers rock is suppose to be special according to what I have seen about the aboriginies.

I have never heard of this one but isnt there a similar "curse" around volcanic rocks from a Hawaiian volcano? I don't take much stock in either. To me is sounds like another common myth with with a different name and face.

well it is a deeply spiritual place of the aboriginals, the lived there for centuarys, leaving behind legends of spirits inhaitating the place and protecting it. as for a curse, it could be very likly such a hightly spiritual place holds all sorts of surprises, it could be a dulligar, the aboriginal word for a spirit of there race that past befor them used to scare the children into behaving.

JackofSpades83, that was my first thought too. I remember reading/hearing something similar. I don't recall where it was, but I do remember it being volcanic rocks.

Going to have to check out the link there a bit more.

If I had to take a poke at a theory, I'd say that anything that has cultural and/or spiritual significance hold a kind of energy that is dormant (eventually fading away as people forget or stop believing). When something disturbs that force or energy it 'wants' to return to that dormant state in a fashion it was in prior to the disturbance. Kind of like a magnet wanting to be whole, but not as scientific...lol. Not sure this made any sense, but it is what I came up with in the four minutes I thought about it.

I do not think it is a real curse. Anyone can have some bad luck, but I doubt it has to do with souveniers. The power of suggestion is really strong, and there is no gaurantee that the rocks really are a part of Ayers Rock.

But then again, when you violate sacred places, it is bound to affect you one way or another.

Thsi seems to be sacred ground and when anything is removed from its sacred place it will cause a curse to be put on teh person that removed the item. I wonder if when the rocks were returned if the bad luck ceased

maybe just because the place itself is cursed.

In my opinion, curses only have power over you if you believe in them.

Without giving a curse energy, it does not have any. The people must have their emotions aroused.

*shrug* I was always the type that believed the more you fed into something, it would draw energy from the mob and direct itself. It's really not happening this thrm -- or any other time, not that I did try to pulling this off before my time started running thin.

Yea, it's hard to believe that the rocks would be or could be cursed. Not believing that. Now you can get items that have spirits with them, like antiques or even just regular items. But cursed? Eh...

Perhaps the area is covered with past dark energy, it was absorbed into the rocks and thus for anyone in possetion of them may be feeling the effect sof the dark energy?

Being an aussie I can tell you about this one lol As I knew an Aboriginal elder and he told me the reason why.

Ayers rock or Uluru in fact all the land is sacred and should never be removed. Even if you take a rock from a stream bed you will have bad luck and evil things happen to you. Because you should never disturb the natural order of things. The Aboriginals believe that even a rock has an important role in life.

So taking rocks from Ayers rock or anywhere in Australia will bring a curse or bad luck until it is returned to where you go it from.

ok well i live in australia YAY lmao, and there have been weird things happen ther befor. it is the middle of the desert (if you didn't know) and it has snowed there befor, full out winter snow, but only for 1 day.

Yes the problem with Uluru is that different Aboriginal tribes have different stories as to the creation of Uluru.

But it is cursed to protect it as it is sacred to the Aboriginal cultures.

most curses are self imposed - subconscious guilt. Ayres Rock is sacred ground to the Aboriginals, so tourism is a bit like having a picnic on someones grave - you are going to feel that you have done wrong and brought bad luck on yourself deep down inside.

Well patrs of the rock mean things to the aborginals there. You have caves etc that men only allowed in and females etc etc. So maybe these vistors went into the wrong spots and now are causing there own bad luck. I know that when I went there you could climb Ayers Rock and go all around it but since the government gave the aborginals back there title rights you are not allowed to do it anymore. The same as its name was always to me called Ayers Rock but the name was changed to Uluara and therefore no one is supposed to call it Ayres Rock anymore

I dont believ in curses, or bad luck its just gotta be coinsodence.

Is it real or all in the mind ?

I tend to think it's all in the mind.

Having said that of course 'all in the mind' is all too real to the people who believe it.

'They told stories that included marriage break-ups, family illnesses, and even deaths,...'

All problems that arise rather frequently, now if the stolen fragments were involved there may be something to consider.
But whatever it is serves them right for removing it.

When are people going to learn not to disturb holy places? If this place is of such importance and respect to the natives in the area, maybe we as people should have more respect for the natural order of things.

Just more respect for our fellow travellers would be a start

Never heard of this place before but what I get off of it is that the tourists simply desecrated a part of aboriginal spiritual grounds which would bring anybody that does bad luck. You would think it would be common sense not to disturb the grounds in that fashion.

Honestly I think it's a series of coinsidenses as well as their belief in the curse giving way to it seeming real.

I think alot of curses are folks trying to push one's buttons..if ya let it pray on ya..then they have won ,I don't hold much faith in curses.But saying this ,I have read so many articles where it appears curses do go down entire families for generations..causing illnesses or bad luck .But really, one can't really prove any of this.

I have never heard of this one either, but I will go along with what has already been aid with the places that have been spoken about and the connection with higher sacred places . Alot of energy is ormally associated with such places and the beleifs behind each place.

i doubt that the rocks are actually cursed. i think that it is just the beliefs of people affecting their lives in such a way that makes them think that they're cursed
like a psycho-somatic disease, it is only there because you believe it is

I'm sooo agree with DuCroix... it takes one man to say that the rocks are cursed.. and after that you even do not believe it... are affected by this.. and if somthing happens you blame that piece of rock...

I also believe that theese rocks have some energy... and it depends again on the people who took the rock.. it depends on the intention and on the purpose of it...
we should treat all things with respect.

Im not to sure if you have to believe in them… most people cursed find out after lots of bad luck and put two n two together and realize they should of brought heather from the gipsy woman

Well not sure of the curse part, but stones are well known for holding in energy of past events. They use it in recording tape. Several types of rock and stone are excellent for recording past events! Can you say hauntings?

how is it that inanimate objects can hold curses and such, and everyone religiously fears them... but no one fears the "real" curses one can pose on himself but not fearing the original curse?

I guess we are all made from star dust in fact everything is made from the same compounds just held together differently…. So im sure object n human alike can both be charged with a curse the same on an atom level

Okay are we talking like curses in the magic sense or is there another way???

Sorry I am lost.

Hmm...The curse of bad luck is an interesting concept. What if we thought that every time something bad happened (getting ticketed for speeding, stubbing our toes, getting divorced) to us, it was the fault of something in our lives?

That mirror we broke, the black cat that walked across our path, the souvenirs we stole from a landmark...It's easy to blame something on something..

I think things just happen, it's the same when people say that it's God's will.

I am glad that people are bringing back those "souvenirs". It was wrong of them to take it. Parts of the earth like that should be respected, they aren't toys.

I haven't heard of this, but I do believe that there could be a protective spirit who doesn't appreciate certain things being messed with!

A lot of the things that happen with certain things are mere superstition. The "curses" only work if you believe in them. This is where superstition gets it's foothold on people, when they believe in them. Otherwise, they have no power at all.

That big red-orange thing on the picture?

Looks like a big meteorite struck in the ground from Mars.(hey! who knows! maybe it is! it is so red!)

If there is some significant connection between the bad events wich afflicted those wich took some of it with them selves, and we dont know for sure that there is any connection, than I believe that there is a certain vibration in the rock it self, wich attracts those kind of energies, wich we intellectually understand as negative, and they reflect so on us, once they accumulate enough so we can feel their influence in our lives. It might be that the rock it self is a catalisator for those type of energies, and that depends on the exact composition combination of the rock.

Again, we are not sure is this bad luck exactly caused by the rock it self.

If we had a chunk we could chemically analyze it, and determine what sort is this rock of, what is its group, and frequency, wich reflects on the environment, as anything else does.

That would spare us the uncertainty of superstition,

and determine is this rock really responsible for the unlucky events,

or is it again the human mind wich is trying to find reason in random things wich it cant understand in full.

The belief in the curse causes bad luck itself. No fault of the rock at all in my opinion.

a curse is all in some ones head i could go up to some one and say you have been curse and if sopme one real blives they have been thing will startto happen it mind over matter your mind and make any thing happen to you all we do is put that idea in your head the bad luck is all on you and in your mind you think you have been curse so you mnake this things happen to you not a curse

exactly if you believe you are cursed you are expecting the bad luck and looking for ir even if it isnt there

Looking for bad luck or not, those people and it’s a lot have had such bad luck they sent the rocks back….

well if people would leave these rocks alone and not desturb the spirits in the first place they would not be cursed.

Are you even sure spirits are the 'cause', evil?

all they are is rocks nothing more what happend was some one went there got a rock and took it home but when they where there they picked up an illness and got real sick after they got home from some thing they drink or eat and becasue they had just got the rock frist thing they did was blam it on the rock and said it cursed them when all it was is an illness the word got around about the rocks being cursed and people started saying they where cursed so now when people get the rocks they rember the stroy like i said befor its mind over matter its all in there heads all becsue some one said the rock cursed them and because of that stroy it started the people who go to think there cursed and things happen its not real!!!

sounds like people get a guilty consinence from taking something there not suppose to..

People shouldn't really take things from places like that. Things may follow or make you have bad luck. But I am superstitious.

I believe that spiritial places should be left alone or if someone takes something from it they will have bad luck till they return it.

It's just a placebo. People think that it is bad luck, so it is. Especially when they have no proof otherwise.

it is simply superstition, to some it will bring bad luck to others it will bring good luck.

I think it idepends on what your mind is set on.

Exactly! What you believe will determine the effects of such things.

They shouldn't take what doesn't belong to them then. But I think if they believe it's cursed, bad things will happen...

I think that curses are created to hinder or make people think twice about pilfering and/or pillaging sacred places or objects and that the "experienced" curses are situations created as a result of the guilt felt by those who have done so.

I have heard of situations such as this. The mountain has lost a part of itself and causes the people who stole from it to have bad fortune. It could be just a coincidence.

Profane -


What if 'curse' related things happen to those who don't know of the curse?

If people walk near or on the rock and track particles unknowingly back home, do they have bad luck as well? Often, it is those who believe in superstitions that tend to associate bad-luck with relocating rocks from one place in the world to another.

If they are so worried about moving the rocks, why don't they offer the rock-gods a trade. They leave something behind in exchange for the rocks. That would put their minds at ease, one would presume.

I believe that if it is sacred ground then tourists should respect the aboriginals and their beliefs...the same holds true for any sacred ground.

What I am wondering...were these people who say they were cursed and had bad luck after taking the rocks aware of the curse beforehand?

I can go with the theory that the "curse" manifested in their minds if they knew about it before taking the rocks and it was guilt induced..but if they did not know of the "curse" then how could their bad luck be explained?

Heh it's not called Ayer's Rock anymore, it now goes by it's Aboriginal name, Uluru.

To play fair, if the rocks are radioactive -- then that's bad luck and kinda a curse! A ha! I have solved ze thread *grin*

What about places like the Bermuda Triangle? Originally, attempted to be explained by cross-currents, etc but scientifically, for lack of better punnery, it doesn't hold water. Maybe there are mystical powers within the earth we couldn't begin to understand and this is just a way for them to communicate "danger"... Like a King Cobra flaring its hood?

I feel that Uluru just is a lot of superstition.. I mean if you truely believe something has powers oe something other than it's original state then it will. Heck it could bring good luck if you believe to ya know ... another cursed volcano / Rock in history .. Just an opinion.

well i truly believe that it is true .same as you mentioned we have here in india called maya mountain where a girl and her lover were put to death by the villagers .afater that every one who went to that mountain (particularly the wood cutters) have never returned .

i believe if you go take something that is sacred you better put it back as you will be cursed!!

I understand the place safe tactic on something you cant explain, wish you could come up with more inventive comments.
As for the people and it was a lot, they found they had to send the rocks back, it there for is a phenonimum no matter how safe you want your bubbles of reality… something is going on with sacred places.

For all the safe reality bubble people would you take from a sacred place knowing it was cursed?

and be truthfull

Vipersangel2 -


That doesn't make too much sense. Those who originally used or made the sacred item had to have not been cursed. Ya know, to use them an' all.

Hello! Never take that which does not belong to you. It's bad JuJu!

Again spiritual places should not be stolen from. Spiritual places are guarded. wouldn't really be smart.

kharma? I think it is all hype unless the ground is suppose to be holy or blessed in some way.

i ve heard of people taking lava rocks from Hawaii and the same thing has happened to them

Its a spiritual place and the members of the tribe that have passed on watch over the area. If anything is taken then they put a curse on what is taken

well I believe that it is energy left over from the many people that were there wheather it is good or bad kinda like a polterguise in a way it can manefest from spells that were casted, people who died, witches would racticed the dark arts it can be alot of things or it could all just be a myth somethign that people believe b/c the place is so old so it could all just be in their minds :] but thats just a theory :]

The belief I have in the collective unconscious is what I think causes this kind of phenomena...

JMC

superstition can also be very strong when mass of people consider it true and somehow pushed it in your mind, pressure can make you beleive lots of things evne things that do not exist or are lies.

i think it depends on your beliefs
and how strong your beleifs are in these things.

you know i live in oz and this is the first time ive heard of people geting bad luck