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delemonico
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I was reading a book called healing through music it was stated each note has a vibratory planetary resonance that when placed in a chord creates a response in the body of a person.

If this is true and music has a specific tie to not only the energy fields, but the mind and body of a person does anyone feel music can be used as a therapy to heal the mind and body of a person? If so, Who believes this can be used in conjunction with scientific methods of healing to ease mental patients and aid their recovery?




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I do think that the music heals but only due to the fact that some musical tones are more soothing to the ears or the lyrics speak to that person.. I do not think it can do anything but sooth a mental patient not cure them..



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There is a saying "MUSIC SMOOTHS THE SAVAGE BEAST"And many studies have shown that when certain types of music is played the mood of that person changes.
Try it sometime.



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In a study I was doing, specific melodic tunes in repetition were able to stabilize the mental state of specific conditions and aid towards the controlling of certain types of psychosis by eliminating their triggers of emotion and mental responses to stimuli. Music has also been used in studies with autistic children to stimulate their minds and recreate a response to outside stimuli.



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i would think that this could be true. as that some music can reach a part of ones mind that many dont see and at times not even ones own mind. but with music it allows one person some time to dwell deeper in ones mind to allow them to see what scars they have and what is really causing them such pain. but that is my thoughts.



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Do many of us not meditate with music? For music puts us into a relaxed mode where our mind and body relaxes.

I listen to Music of the Tarot...which opens my mind clearly to each card I turn and read.



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I feel that music is a way to express one's soul. It can show how a person is feeling and through that heal the person's inner conflicts.



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Music helps to heal. May is soften a mood, relax the mind, may ya smile. It works as we all know a one time or another.
So with thought notice dentists use it to calm you down from the drilling noise? It works. But it will not cure a disease by
itself. So enjoy that beat. : )



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I was not suggesting that it alone be implemented by any means what so ever. I was focusing on it being used in conjunction with already proven medical and scientific methods to speed up the process of healing and such things.



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I believe it can heal a person, also what kind of music can be relaxing or hyper



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It can definitely be a useful tool. Used in conjunction with the scientific method could possibly find a new kind of cure that would combine music and any other number of things. I mean, everything has it's own vibrational energy to begin with...including that small little bottle of water that everyone drinks. But you'll notice that it not only hydrates you but if you're listening to different types of music, it adds a new frequency to the drink and actually changes the entire frequency of it. So it not only could make you fill more fulfilled, but give you more energy, or calm you, or a number of other things as well.



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Another post almost identical to your last, music much like color and lightning does effect the mind in different ways. to me music makes me excited and lost in some ways. so yes it does happen.



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Music can help the healing process by affecting the synapses in the brain and increasing certain connexions and eliminating others that are bad for our health. Music itself has a direct effect on emotions and the emotions also control the healing process and the fighting desire of a person and its will to survive or not.

Depressing music is going to make a person sick and less receptive to the medications or treatments or process of the body to heal, while happy or relaxing music will help keep a more serine mind and taught.



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i believe music is healing actually there was a show on it on citytv cant remember what the show was called though. But there are ways of therapy for people with autism and some other disorders using music.



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I do believe that music has healing properties.



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I believe that music can be theraputic. That is why people are drawn to certain sounds and why when theres no music a person still taps out a rythm thats because life and our souls have their own rythm and their own music.



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People with a positive attitude generally heal faster. Their body responds to their mood. Since music generally makes us feel better, it would certainly make recovery more pleasant and could allow a person to heal better.



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I believe music does have some healing and pain reducing properties. My dentist recommends listening to music while he's working, to help relax really anxious patients and even decrease the discomfort of hearing the high-pitched sound of the drill, due to music causing the release of certain hormones.

Serotonin is a chemical that transmits the nerve signals between nerve cells. If your serotonin levels are too low, you may become depressed. Depression can make the stress in your life seem a lot worse. Music may raise your serotonin levels and lift your depression and stress anxiety.

Illness can cause severe stress. Listening to music together with whatever treatment you are receiving can have a strong healing effect on your body. It can also cause your endorphins to raise in your brain. Endorphins are natural painkillers.

References and more reading:

Music Therapy Healing For Stress

Physiological Effects Of Music



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i personally always turn to music to stitch and relieve some emotional pains when i suffer them



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Mental health, as well as physical health can benefit from music.



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its an old notion that certain musical notes are used by the devil. nowadays its not uncommon for these evil sounds to be in music. even the same songs that help us relax at the end of the day.



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devil music or not, i'll still keep rocking



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I too believe that music has healing properties along with many of the examples the other posters have said here. I love classical music and I find myself listening to the softer compositions when I'm really stressed out. Works for me.



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We have discussed this alot ,and I am a firm believer in the healing power of resonance just as strongly as I know resonance can kill.Some of the more powerful being the Solfeggio Frequencies .
I have alot of information about this in my journal,if interested..






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well I think music always soothes the savage beast in us all and not to mention songs always have memories that we relate to.



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when i wanna get pumped or make myself think clearly, i listen 2 X amountof words by blue october, the simple catchy beats and well thought out lyrics really gets me focused



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i believe music can be used as a healer. I use it everyday to calm myself and I feel alot better. I don't see why it can't be used to help people in the hospitals recover.



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music is used for many therapy purposes and I love music when I need a pick up or to remenise about things, I mean come on everyone has songs that remind them of theings in their lives ...mostly good things. Music is a good tool for healing.



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i heard of this before. i believe this works.



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LOL if only the sickness by disturbed could cure cancer



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I do belive that music can heal.they have done experiments with plants.they grow faster with some types of music



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I know that music can alter my mood. When I am really depressed some kinds of metal help to bring me up. Of course, some music can be very depressing, but usually If I start playing some good old heavy metal, pretty soon I am rocking out and in a much better mood. I don't know if it has anything to do with the notes themselves.



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In a sense I believe that yes, music has the power to heal.. but it depends what the persons intentions were first..



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I definitely do. Reason being music always makes me feel better when I'm sick or blue. I also think that some music could help mental patients to calm down. It's relaxing.



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Martin Lass is a violinist that writes about the music of the spheres which is an old concept but how music is part of us in tone, frequency and vibration. We each have our own unique tone. I would think if someone could tap into that harmonically they could heal people. I believe people are working on that already.

I know the Russians were working with tones to reprogram DNA at least two years ago.

If you want to read one of Martin Lass' articles go HERE:
http://www.martinlass.com/spheres.htm

He has written various metaphysical articles.

His astrology and healing pages are HERE:
http://www.martinlass.com/library.htm

I have read about this topic before but I don't remember the details of articles concerning it anymore. Some use music to do magickal workings as well.



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I believe it possible to heal not cure through music.. As so many has already said here.



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Music will not heal someone but it does help to cam someone down. For insance when a person gets a MRI they use music to relax the person so they dont move during the testing. During certain other tests doctors will use music to keep patients calm



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BlackHawk,certain frequencies do promote healing,for example a cat's pur.Its resonance promotes the healing of bone etc..



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Some links from my journal...and there are several threads in the archives about it as well.Studies also show that 20-50hz heal and promote bone density and growth.

http://cats.suite101.com/article.cfm/purring_helps_with_healing


http://www.leaflady.org/sound_and_healing.htm


http://www.geocities.com/missionstmichael/Purring.html



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200,000 Dolphins highest range

18,500 Highest frequency heard by average woman

17,500 Highest frequency heard by average man

15,700 High frequency that old televisions scream at

5000-8000 Treble control on a stereo

4096 Highest note on a piano

4096 Quartz crystal (786,432 hertz octavized down - 1/2, 1/2, 1/2, etc.)

4000 The most irritating (or activating) frequency (chainsaw freq)

3000 Frequency that telephones are centered around (voice harmonics)

1000 Test Tone radio and tv put out when they go off the air

528 Frequency of the heart

432 Frequency of the first cry of the average baby just out of the womb

268.8 Ali Akbar Khan’s favorite frequency to tune to

266 Good for Nervous System

256 Physical and Scientific mean - Philosopher’s middle C

250 Main resonant freq’s of the King’s Chamber in the Great Pyramid

250 Average Voice (Common to everyone)

136.102 Frequency of the rotation of the earth

111 Good frequency for Cell rejuvenation

85 Beethoven’s Fire frequency

50 Main harmonic of a kitty purr; Hummingbird approximate wing speed

45 Resonant frequency of bones (Proven to regenerate bones)

40 Thunder’s key fundamental frequency

40-80 Bass control on a stereo

32 Lowest C note on a piano (good for the nervous system)

25 Cat Purr (root frequency)

25 Lowest frequency that most people can hear

16 Main low freq put out by Whales (extremely on-pitch, in-tune)

10.666 Average ultrawave healing frequency

8 Lowest frequency put out by Whales

7.83 Average Shumann Resonance of the earth’s atmosphere between the earth and ionosphere (electromagnetic, not sound)

7.8125 Spherics controlling the weather

3-4 Lowest frequency put out by Elephants



62.5 BPM = Good Heart BPM (because it’s a lower octave 250)

72 BPM = Average Heart BPM

Interestingly enough,check out the healing frequency...10.666



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oops forgot to post that link to the info,it has been in my so long,I had forgotten where I got it and Im not at my puter..my apologies...
http://www.soundhealingcenter.com/frequency.html



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Yes i belive that to be true many times i have felt sick with a cold or some illness
I would put on my favorit music and feel better



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Music has been a part of us since the first caveman beat on a rock with a stick. There is something integral about having music in our lives...a beat...and it is a beat that changes based on what we need, feel, or think at the time.

Music can and does impact our thoughts, feelings and actions.....which in turn affects how we heal.....or do not heal. So.....yes....music does affect healing.



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More stuff from journal...

http://www.thesoundofstars.com/science2
Sounds of the planets...

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/saturn/audio/pia07967-072504.wav

http://www.world-science.net/images/mp3/hr3831_b.mp3



The common view that nerves transmit impulses through electricity is wrong and they really transmit sound, according to a team of Danish scientists.

The Copenhagen University researchers argue that biology and medical textbooks that say nerves relay electrical impulses from the brain to the rest of the body are incorrect.


"For us as physicists, this cannot be the explanation," said Thomas Heimburg, an associate professor at the university's Niels Bohr Institute. "The physical laws of thermodynamics tell us that electrical impulses must produce heat as they travel along the nerve, but experiments find that no such heat is produced."

Heimburg, an expert in biophysics who received his PhD from the Max Planck Institute in Goettingen, Germany — where biologists and physicists often work together in a rare arrangement — developed the theory with Copenhagen University's Andrew Jackson, an expert in theoretical physics.

According to the traditional explanation of molecular biology, an electrical pulse is sent from one end of the nerve to the other with the help of electrically charged salts that pass through ion channels and a membrane that sheathes the nerves. That membrane is made of lipids and proteins.

Heimburg and Jackson theorize that sound propagation is a much more likely explanation. Although sound waves usually weaken as they spread out, a medium with the right physical properties could create a special kind of sound pulse or "soliton" that can propagate without spreading or losing strength.

The physicists say because the nerve membrane is made of a material similar to olive oil that can change from liquid to solid through temperature variations, they can freeze and propagate the solitons.

The scientists, whose work is in the Biophysical Society's Biophysical Journal, suggested that anesthetics change the melting point of the membrane and make it impossible for their theorized sound pulses to propagate.

The researchers could not immediately be reached for comment.
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/03/09/science-nervessound-20070309.html






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As far as I knew.. Music was already being used to help heal people.....



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Yes,it is.An has been for eons.



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Yes I agree Music can make you heal , But it depends on the condition and illness you have. They say eldery people when in a nursing home it wakes their inner soul
to where they make movements with their hands and adventually the music wakes their minds and gets them motivated . So yes some musical and music heals people



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I Think More So If You Listen To Relaxing Music Your Body Can Better Heal It's Self Because The Energy Needed Can Be Directed To where It Needs To Be.



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Anyone familiar with Raymond Rife?



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This is also not news breaking. Massage Therapists and many others use music in healing and mesitations. It's proven and just plain obvious that music soothes people. And in soothing the mind everything else falls into place.

I'm sure you've all heard of women listening to easy music while they're pregnant to help their inborn babies, as well as introducing them to classic tunes when they are out of the womb to promote intelligence.

It's all the same. Music helps, music heals, it's even good for pets. It's been a practice for longer than this middle-ager has been alive. Google is a good buddy to us all.

http://www.globalmusichealing.org/index.html



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Very true,peeps have been practicing healing with sound for a very long time..google is great,but then,books are real good too.;)



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Of course books are best, but since the question was asked on the internet, I thought giving a quick internet reference was good :)



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When I atended to a medium training (Cant find better words for it) we where tested in different ways to find a tone that was as close to our own bodytone as possible. Each body has its own uniqe tone or tones. That is why some persons would find a song the greatest of all time and another dont feel a thing.
As an answer. Yes music can be used as healing.



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But does music really heal someone with emotional wounds or other things? i do think they can relax some people but not heal them.. If that was the fact i would be listening to more music..



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I have found that a good song sometimes calms me out so that I can sort through my feelings and thoughts. And in a sense once I have found the path I am going to take I do feel "healed".


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Music is a wonderful way for me to heal!! That is why it is such a big part of my life. =)



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I do believe like many of the other posters in this thread that music can be useful when it comes to healing. I like using music to help wiht my meditating and with the migraines that I get.

It would seem that with the mental disorders and such that you would not want to use something that is heavy metal or something like that. But then again I am not an expert on this.

I know that with my nephew who has autism that the low toned music helps him calm down and listen more to what he is being told.



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I think music can heal those that want it to as for me i think it helps me with life it self



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i was listening to right now by korn and damn that put me in a good mood and 2day, lot of crud happened, still feel good



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i for one believe that music can help in healing both in mental and bodily .... I havent personally experienced other than a song to lift my mood or bring me down but i do believe there is a connection



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I believe it can.



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I don't pretend to know a great deal about the subject. However, I do know that music does help me through my day.

Music and natural sounds are used for infants to help them sleep and even before they are born a mother sometimes plays music for them to hear.

I do know that many peoples use music to heal, to meditate, to draw forth energy. Native Americans for example have done it and still do it to this day.

So, I can say I can believe it is possible to heal people with music.



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I love to hear some classical music after a long working day , makes me feel good , so i would say i believe in it!



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i believe that it can heal the mind but not the body



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i tink it could heal the mind and maybe help heal the body...but im not sure



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music is powerful so maybe



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I thank you all for your input I really do.



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Music has always been good for my mental health. It was something I turned to when I was upset and something I went to when I was happy.

I feel that music can truly heal the soul. :)



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It really does heal the soul..And for anyone who doubts that it heals the body? At a frequency range that is slightly above that of the broken bone, and then subsequently modifying the frequency stimulation, is hands down proven to facilitate bone tissue healing much faster than those who do not use it. It may also be used to prevent bone loss and reduce bone deterioration and other associated bone-related disorders, such as osteoporosis and osteopenia. In this manner,it is used for promoting bone tissue re growth and for maintaining bone mass.
There are alot of reports and studies that have shown this.And R. Rife was said to have cured cancers and all kinds of stuff with it.We use it on horses,and have had great results over the years.
The list goes on and on..and there is plenty of research to prove that..I mean,If something can generate life and cause death,why couldnt it heal too?All in all,there very little room for doubt that it heals the body.



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Well we don't know yet if music or musical tones could heal anyone because the use of it for mild things is in play and research is going on. I know Dr. Emoto uses music in his Hado healings but I don't know the details of it. Never looked into that I have always been interested in his work with water.



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Guess everyone looks differently at things,personally,I dont find that the implications that it can heal bones and DNA minor or playtime..but yes,Emoto's work with water is exciting.



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i do belive music has the power to heal the body and mind.



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Thing is,in my years of working and healing with animals and such,I always found it was really a combination of things.So while I truely believe that music /resonance does have significant affects,the same would apply in using it as well.



http://www.musictherapytoday.net/modules/archive/stuff/papers/overview.pdf



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i totally believe that music can help you. I always listen to music of some type when I am sick or upset and I feel better within a small amount of time.



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i think music helps. the more i listen to it, the fewer colds i get. lol, but seriously, ive been listening to music a lot lately and I haven't got naerly as many cases of Strep throat as i usually do. it doesnt prevent common colds for me but i'd rather have a cold than strep



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I dont know If music can heal a soul that is wounded. In a way it can since it can fill up your energy. It can give you the energy to heal your wounds.



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I salute Oceanne`s posts!
Indeed, the matiere could be expressed by wavelenght.
What about the spirit?



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Thank you DragonRouge for your kind words.The spirit...yes,I feel it affects the spirit emensly.After all,we live in a waveform Universe.



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I think I would go on to say that the spirit is,well...resonance itself.And further still,I would say the Trinity is ..resonance,light and form.



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I would have to agree that music can aid patients in recovery, and also keep us healthy in some respects too.

I would be most interested to find out how scientists could use this effectively though ~ there would have to be huge trials and government studies done before it could become a regular practise.



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I think music is the perfect way to feel better.There is something about music that helps.



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Would it vary from person to person depending on their tastes (this would aid relaxation) or would it just be universal?



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I am a big person on music.. Music does help soothe a ill person so yeah i guess it can heal them as well. Depending on the problem i guess.



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Music is essential in my life and has always accompanied me no matter what mood I am in and I definitely feel that it can be therapeutic, they say certain types of music like classical help concentrate.



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i forgot what the guys name was but there's this Japanese professor who would play different kinds of music and sounds then photograph water molecules and different music would have different shapes...

also shamanic drumming is a very good example, or Tibetan tantra




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here i found it with pictures...

http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/research_emoto.htm

heh, looks like us metal heads are outta luck



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i believe any beat between 200-and 248 bpm has physical effects on the body both on the skin and in the synapses in the brain.



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Iam,that would be Dr. Emoto.



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thanks the link i got up there is the page that talks about it, very intresting



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Any accelerated stimuli would, whether it's 200bpm or a video flickering at 10 frames a millisecond.



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truth and understanding can be found in the words of a song and melody of the heart.



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I forgot his name, but there is a neurologist in Pacific Palisades, CA that is studying how certain sound frequencies affect us physiologically. I'll try to find the link, but he has had some interesting findings in it.



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You wouldnt be referring to Dr. Tomatis would you?


There are quite a few doing this,and Im glad of it..



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No, his first name was Don, I'll get his info from a friend who knows, but Tomatis' work is quite interesting as well!



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I think that it can be used to help calm a person.

Or upset a person, whatever.

Cuz like if I am sad or whatever, I listen to a happy song and it gets me feeling better.

It just brings out different memories we have.

-Juggalette givin MMFWCL



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It means the artist has achieved his goal if he/she can convey a certain feeling to the listener.



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I agree that it would always have a profound effect on the way we feel, but as for physically healing us, I think that way more research needs to be done ~ glad to hear this is the case.

We know so little about the human brain that any new information could prove to be so useful!



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well i do believe in sound cleansing and sound meditation yes some pronounciation does have effect on cores and sphere such as mantras and some have sound healings tools too such as applied in tibet.

this indian mantra examle of it.










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the music isnt whats healing a person though it does give profound help. the person is healing the person what the music does is give the person the positive or calm energy needed to recharge the emotions that assist the body in overcoming negative energy and emotions therefore speeding the healing processes.



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Music basically alters the performance of the nervous system primarily because of entrainment. If you dont know,entrainment is the rhythmic manifestation of resonance. In other words,vibration.
With entrainment, a stronger external pulse does not just activate another pulse ,but actually causes the latter to move out of its own resonant frequency to match it.




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