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Some myths say that vampires can live for ever. But we dont believe them. Why not? I think they are real but they are just careful about it. So please tell me what you believe and why. Do you think that there is the unknown out there. Or are they just myths

I know they are real but not the movie type deals. I haven't come across anyone like that unless they were acting the part. They could come off demonic looking to someone's perception if they did not know what their forms look like outside the body. That's just my 2 cents.

Aparantly they are real the goverment know about them.they don't live forever but can live into there thousands.
I have only ever found 1 website with a decent amount of info on it.

http://www.haemavore.com/

quite an intresting read.

Vampires are real. They just keep themselves hidden in the open. They dress like ordinary humans so they don't attract attention to themselves.

Kyriele makes wonderful mention of one of the near-universal activities of the original Eastern European Vampire that, with the advent of Western fiction, has been ignored and forgotten by us here in the US, especially: the Vampire's reported "prodigious sexual appetite" and "insatiable sexuality" evidenced by his usually making night-time appearances at the houses of his former wife and/or of young ladies in the various towns and villages... where blood drinking was most certainly not on his mind. Such visits were either nightly for days or week on end or lasted for days and/or weeks on end; in this, the accounts vary.

Dr. Bruce McClelland, professional Slavicist and Vampirologist (author of "Slayers and their Vampires: The Cultural History of Killing the Dead), and I have had many long discussions on the topic of who and what specifically was the Eastern European Vampire, historically speaking. And while on a few points we agreed and on others we did not, yet on one conclusion he and I saw eye-to-eye. As he put it, "There can be no doubt but that the definition of the Vampire today and that as was actually known hundreds of years ago by the indigenous peoples of Central and Eastern Europe as well as in Russia has changed drastically."

Thus if one seeks today the "Vampire" as defined by fiction, one is going to be very disappointed.


- Upir'

i keep my mind open about such things. the vampire myth strikes a very deep archetype within the human soul. why?
i do not...can not say such beings done exist. i just dont say that the "classic" vampire exists.

until and unless i meet one that is.
~W~

I think it's possible but probible that they weren't what we perceved them to be. I doubt they were the walking dead who feed off of blood. More likely to me they were a nocteral humaniod preditor who hunted humans, I expect they had high inteligance but were feral in there hunting style making them highly feared. They could have fed off blood like the bat do drawing there nutrition from the blood itself.
It's a theory I've been working on but even if the vampires we see in modern culture today are the real vampre I still belive there are out there somewhere. In some form I think they exist or at least did.

Myths are just folk tales grown up, yet no recorded or written language stories passed on by word of mouth, yet perception is that myth is just myth, sometimes it can be seen to hold some truth within the realms of mention yet it is fable at its best.

Man has always hunted for everlasting life and the fountain of youth due to the fact of scared of the death and what lies on the other side. so we ponder living forever as the myth to escape the clutches of death which was sought after.

They are not always after blood though. Sometimes they are merely aware of your energies and swing in for a refill and off their way again.....

Thats the problem with myths, they are stories and over time the stories tend to grow. Somewhere somehow someone had to start the myth, we need to ask ourselves how this person came up with the idea. Most myths come from a real life event.

i guess my thought is pretty much that i think there is some common root for the myriad of various "vampire" beliefs (i use quotations because many things that may be considered vampiric today might not have been at another time), but is it going to look like the vampire lestat?
very probably not.

i think it comes down to two vamps.
the living vamp
and the "undead"

i think the undead do exist...but i dont think anyone would invite one to a dinner party. they are the dead...they rise from a buried coffin and return to it.

the energy they take (most of the legends didnt include blood) gives them the ability to become more corporeal.

not a nice individual at all
~W~

Of course most stories passed down through the generations are subject of change as most often do, and I am sure that most of what was original could often be started from someone's perceptive state of seeing something of which was bizarre or one they could not identify with, or explain themselves during those times. It can happen to anyone and still does to this day. Humanity will always be interested in immortality, and the bizarre, and the unknown, and will often always misunderstand something they first encounter by calling it vampire, witch, demon etc and so forth and thus the stories continue. Does that make them any less real? No. Real vampires to me, and yes i have been pondering this for a while , lol are generally a mix of the demonic, the angelics etc....all connected beings of energy, light and dark. They are the one's that can enter our dreams, they are the one's that hide who they really are exception of friends and those close to them. I believe they have been around for a very long time but mostly misunderstood and the movie deals only capture a small part of what they really are.

Doubtful. Most stories of undead "vampires" come from a misunderstanding of the decomposition process. If you see a cadaver with a swollen stomach, hair and fingernails that appear to have grown, and fluid running from the mouth or nose, in this day and age you would know that was merely the body decomposing. In prior centuries though, that was a telltale sign of a vampire, rising in the night to feed upon the living.

With all the crazy stuff going on in the world these days, if it came on the news tomorrow that vampires were real, I would NOT be surprised.

For those of you who care, here it is- plain and simple.

Vampires do exist.

This is a fact, though I do not care who believes me. You could think I am completely insane. but that won't make them a myth

They are real, but they do not live for ever.

some do rain witch...its just on how you define it.
:c)
~W~

Saying "they're real" often enough or loudly enough still doesn't make it so.

And surely one cannot be expected to believe something is real simply because someone else says that it is. Even con men aren't so brazen as to expect this of their victims.

Where is the evidence? Show me da evidence.


(Actually... the evidence does exist for the foundational truths beyond the folklore that later became the fictions that later became the Hollywood pop-culture icon. However, this has nothing to do with Bram Stoker's "Dracula" or the vampires of "Twilight.")


- Upir'

we arent discussing finding a new species of fish...
we are discussing beings with abilities that our folklore can only hint at.

when certain tribes on certain islands in the pacific saw airplanes for the first time in world war 2 they thought they were either great beasts or gods. im guessing when they went back to the village and told others , those others prolly thought they had lost their minds.

here we have an example of something that is real and provable that is misidentified due to the level of technology available, or is disbelieved due to not having been exposed to it before. The very idea of machines that can fly would have been considered insane a very short time ago in our own culture.

my thought is that there is something in our world that has given rise to the archetypes that we may be misidentifying or disbelieving in just because its too fantastic for our minds to deal with.

let us instead of just saying " it cannot be" ask ourselves instead "if it is, then, what might it be?" and i think we might learn more.

Are vampyres real? Yes.

Actually, most * mythological* beasts are real. Myths of the old days were normally formed out of some kind of reality.

Anyway, vampyres don't live forever. Actually, the spirit only remains eternal and many vampyres are reincarnated, unlike many humans. Symbols such as the cross, holy water, or garlic is just myth. The ol' stack through the heart doesn't prove anything because that kills anyone.

If you want to know more, feel free to message me. I have both psi and sang vampyre friends that I would be happy to have get in touch with you if need be.

Finally, tests proven that vampyres do exist. (: It is mostly determined by the amount of blood the body can take in. Vampyres can taken in a lot more than a human because if a human takes in more than a pint (or even less than that), their body ends up throwing it back up.

Now, if only science can prove that wolf-kindred exist then maybe people wouldn't think I'm so insane. :) LoL.

So... as long as someone can drink a pint or more of blood without throwing up, this makes them a vampire?

If I'm not mistaken... isn't being a vampire (as defined in fiction and post-18th Century tales) a bit more complicated than that?

Doesn't such a vampire first have to have literally died and then thereafter be required by their new "undead" physiology to consume nothing but blood to survive?

Now, if you or anyone else can provide any actual documented evidence of just one such individual anywhere in the world, that is all the evidence anyone could possibly require.

Of course, contrariwise, if no such documented accounts exist... then such fiction-based vampires cannot be claimed to actually exist.


- Upir'

Okay, so then aliens don't exist either.. and it would be preposterous to even state or think that they did exist. Is that what you're saying...??

What is more likely...

A mythical creature that LIVES on EARTH..

or..

Some little silver or green man from Neptune???

Obviously, the answer would be the alien. An ALIEN creature is more believed in than a HUMAN LIVING Vampyre. Just sayin...

"Sexy" ...

*sighs patiently*

An alien (the extra-terrestrial variety) is defined as any life form not indigenous to this planet. Thus, evidence for same won't exactly be readily availabe here on Earth... now will it?

A vampire, on the other hand, is defined as a "re-animated (Human) corpse" that is indigenous to this planet and that supposedly lives off nothing but blood. Thus, evidence for any and all such ought to be quite readily available for scientific scrutiny.

So, you tell me... which of these two ought to be easier to prove: an alien that doesn't live anywhere near this planet or vampires that supposedly do and always have?


Yet where aliens (i.e., extra-terrestrial lifeforms) are concerned, there does exist the statistical high probability that somewhere amongst the billions of stellar systems in our galaxy alone, which is only one of billions such galaxies in our Universe, life does exist elsewhere. This is inductive logic.

However, where "reanimated corpses" (vampires) are concerned that subsist solely and wholly on Human blood (hey... this is the definition found in our dictionaries) and only exist here on this planet living and preying upon us... come on now. Surely if such a being existed, there would be victims found daily entirely drained of blood. There would be vampire corpses by the thousands down through the ages found killed by dhampirs or other vampires that could then be dissected for analysis proving their "undead" state and the validity of their existence.

And yet... not a single shred of such "vampire" evidence anywhere.

Instead, the only thing that can be found are either wacked-out serial killers (all very much alive and not "reanimated corpses") and people with psychological problems or those who either desperately want to believe in such or want others to believe they are such.

And, sorry, but there are absolutely no mythologies, legends, or actual accounts of vampires that ever describe such as being "HUMAN LIVING" vampires. After all, any such would entirely violate the very mythologies, legends and accounts these same self-stylized HLVs claim to emulate.

As for "silver and green men from Neptune," neither I nor anyone else has ever claimed to believe or have evidence of any such. So, please, if you wish to argue, let's at least keep the rebuttals in context.


- Upir'

Maybe the vampires (said vampires of fiction today) just do not want to talk to the likes of us...

Ever think of that? We can say they are not real, or that they really aren't out there. Maybe they just don't like certain types of people and will not be conversing or giving this requested proof to them.

Lets say that someone had six toes on thier left foot. We have all heard stories or read articles of said condition. Now what if this person never wanted anyone to know of his extra foot digit, so he keeps his shoes and socks on 'til the day he dies. He even requests that his shoes and sock are not removed while being prepared for burial. Does this mean that he never had the extra toe? Nope, just ment that he never met the person he wished to tell about it.

Yes, but fiction today claims that Vamps have toned down their ways. Where in yesteryears there used to be mass killings that would draw the attention of townsfolk, today, supposedly, there are many a willing victims. Vampires just aren't killing like they used to. LOL

If there is really a population of Vampires, that were once human, would they not change with the times too?

But we do hear stories here all the time of people stating that they are a "donor" to a vampire.

And I think there is a huge change to a humans diet, over the years. In Elizabethan times, how many people would have the stones to claim themselves vegetarians and not eat the meat they were given? Our eating habbits, our acceptance of other ethnic foods, our new found love of restricted diets, these are all changes. Also population growth. There are more people to munch from than there was centuries ago. Would there be an increase in Vampires because of it? Or, would there just be more people to cover over the killings of the vampire population that was already here?

I firmly believe
Since soul has no parts, it cannot be decomposed, as a body can. Whatever is composed (of parts) can be decomposed: a molecule into atoms, a cell into molecules, an organ into cells, a body into organs, a person into body and soul. But soul is not composed, therefore not decomposable. It could die only by being annihilated as a whole. But this ... See More would be contrary to a basic law of the universe: that nothing simply and absolutely vanishes, just as nothing simply pops into existence with no cause. Thus ,I truly believe in Immortality !

I'm really not trying to be clever, just thorough.

For me at least, it's not about espousing and promoting beliefs, mythologies, etc., but about seeking the deep-down historical truth behind it all.

extremely good point you made there WW
about the six toes and all.

if something looks even mostly like us, then we would ignore them. if something right out of 30 days of night, (and they really did not look very human) most people would , even if the difference was noticed, ignore the person and try not to stare...it would after all be rude.

~W~

LW,

Vampires are not vampires simply because of their appearance... but for what they actually do that leaves undeniable evidences behind for all to discover, as already addressed here.

People with extra fingers and toes, on the other hand, do not.


- Upir'

perhaps they do...but again, if we are discussing the vampire that hollywood has sold to us, perhaps they are smart enough to feed a little and not kill.

and the appearance thing was to make a point.
~W~

I believe the forum topic is to discuss whether vampires might actually be real. If they are real, they wouldn't be "Hollywood vampires," which are fictional by very definition.

If they are real, therefore, they wouldn't drink the thimbleful of blood that HLVs and other like vampire aficionados drink. They would drink what folklore (post 18th Century, that is) claims they drink... and that is enough blood per "meal" to drain a Human body. Now, while we don't know with what regularity they must feed, yet we do know about how much they need per feeding.

Additionally as post-18th Century folklore states they must first leave the grave upon being "born" as vampires as well as undoubtably leave Human bodies left behind drained of blood, if vampires existed you would find open and empty graves as well as Human bodies or the disappearance of same as evidence of that existence.

Thus, in fact, their appearance is so not the point, at all.


- Upir'

Upir...

Really?
So you need documented proof on anything in order for it to exist?
There are a million species on earth yet to be discovered...
Just because no one has proof, does that mean they don't exist?

And how many of those unknown species actually feed on Human beings, draining them of blood enough to cause death... and yet still remain completely undetected and without any evidence whatsoever of their existence?

Name one and I'll concede your point. If you cannot... perhaps you might reconsider mine.


- Upir'

dude, if we could tell you, then they wouldnt be undetected would they???
thats like asking how many eggs did the rooster lay! LOL

btw...the prize for replying to every single post goes to
(drum roll please)...
UPIR
ok, perhaps not every one, but you do seem to have strong opinions on this subject.


i live next to a 10 acre tract of undeveloped land. there is a high probablility of what we might find there if we did a careful canvassing.
that said, there is also the chance that we might find something new.

now i realize that everhard longstrider from b.f. bulgaria in the year 1010 wrote that nothing really interesting is going on here. but that doesnt really mean much. the same guy could say that vampires are actually just a code word for people that eat blood sausage (ummmm sweet life giving sausages!) but he also could have been just giving his opinion.
whats that old saying about comparing opinions to a persons excretory orifice?
oh yes...everyone has one.

well, that is mine. you can say with dead certainty that supernatural vampires probably dont exist.
you can not say with dead certainty that THEY DO NOT exist.
and there lies the rub.
as they say...you cannot disprove a negative, and even tho nobody has yet caught nessie, that doesnt mean that all people will now cease to believe in nessie.

see ya in the funnypapers
~W~

Well to be perfectly honest I am a neutral person when it comes to the belief in vampires. Do they exist I don't know, when will I believe they do, when one is standing before my with his shiny real fangs flashing and probably about to take my life.

I believe that myths and legends start from some point in history and grow out of proportion from that point onwards. So at some point people believed, but lets look at those people, simple minded peasants... that believed what they were told to believe.

So as I said I will give you an answer when I am standing in front of one and having a conversation probably about them not killing me and draining me of my blood.

As this was also apparently directed at me, with LW's kind permission I'll respond.

I actually do have quite an open mind, vampchica... just not so open that my brains might fall out. ;)


You remember seeing the current "CarFax" commercials showing daily on TV? You know, the ones where the slick used-car salesman tries using emotion and making wonderful-sounding claims and promises trying to con yet another sale out of another naive customer whose emotions rule her intellect.

To his surprise, however, instead of having what you call "an open mind" and simply accepting such beliefs and claims at face value with nothing backing them up... what does this savvy woman customer insist upon, instead?

That's right... she insisted on the "CarFax." Rather than letting her emotions rule her decisions, she cooled her excitement for a new car... until AFTER she had first seen and read the "facts" about the car. Then, if the facts matched her emotions... then she could fully enjoy BOTH knowing that her decision was both a thrilling one and a logical one.

Had she not insisted on the "facts" first... the thrilling emotions would soon have given way to other emotions and darker realizations: the knowledge that she had made a very uninformed and, in fact, stupid decision as the used car guy laughed his way to the bank with her hard-earned money.

Always insist upon the (Car) Facts... and use them to guide your emotions and openmindedness... and you will always have a track record of good decisions that will lead you toward a very successful and fulfilling future. Do otherwise... and you gamble your future on emotions that cannot be relied upon as they change from moment to moment and do not provide a solid foundation BY THEMSELVES for making good decisions.

And... getting back to this topic... the facts and the (lack of) evidence just don't add up at all for a race of blood-sucking "reanimated corpses" running around draining Human beings fof blood or thousands of years right under our noses (not on some distant planet or under the black brackish waters of some Scottish lake)... yet without leaving a single body drained of blood or a single inexplicably empty grave or coffin whose occupants were later found and either captured or killed and examined by anyone... in all those centuries anywhere on the entire planet.

Thus... this avenue of belief is a factual dead-end and we need to back up and re-examine the facts and the evidences (there are those hated words, again... sorry!).

However... and here's my "open mind" working within the facts... given that the word vampire, which does mean "one who feasts," was first written in 1047 CE, we do have a factual foundation to believe that "Vampires" are, indeed, real. But... as Dr. McClelland likewise concludes... who and what they were and are differs greatly from today's fictionalized definition.

Maybe we ought to start there, then? Just a thought... rather than just a feeling.

;)


- Upir'

The word vampire has not been in use for very long. The popularity of fictional vampires has been around for some time now. Much of what is in books, role playing games and some superstitions that just aren't true are all mixed together. Do you really think some melons can turn into vampires? The Roma do in Eastern Europe. Do you believe in werewolves? Some believe when they are killed they turn into powerful vampires. They all must be hiding out somewhere. I haven't found anything that says vampires are immortal other than in fictional sources.

People are using the word loosely. Just because a goddess or demon is described as drinking blood or sapping the life out of someone doesn't make them a vampire. Dictionary terms tend to go with the most popular superstitions. People are promoting a lot of misinformation on documentaries and in books. I see things repeated over and over again as if it were true. There are a few that come up with some really silly conclusions. Corpses are being dug up that have been buried in really strange ways and they know now most of them died of things like the plague, tuberculosis (they cough up blood) and cancer, both male and female with a large stone or brick shoved in their mouths. Shrugs.

Religion was very tied to what people thought. For example take Astarte who was one of the most venerated goddesses in ancient history. Even Solomon worshipped her and she was discredited to be a demon. Many things described of her ended up being word for word praises to Mary. They turned her into a male demon called Asteroth.

If people want to believe there is some mindless revenants wandering around fine or some vampire orgy going on somewhere fine. You can't have them with cunning and be undead walking corpses as well. Many were said to project themselves in some way from the actual grave. The superstitions vary all over the world. I have only seen one definitve in my opinion research study on this whole thing and it was biased by the person who wrote it as are every other I have seen. I always find things I know aren't true showing the author didn't research well. Most of the others don't go into the languages and tribal movements as much as others and come up with some hairbrained ideas. Yes, I believe they exist but are nothing whatsoever like books, folklore or superstition. I am not all knowing but I can tell when people have a theory and take what they find to try and prove that disregarding anamolies.

Hollywood made a lot of money making up stuff for the movies about them and are still doing a good job of that. I shake my head and wonder why so many take up right from a movie believing that to be the facts. Many things are alluded to but no one has all the answers. This is why I think many don't believe in the vampire community because they don't fit the stereotype. Some are goth and some are not and some are into fetish and many are not. It is so diverse and affected by a style that relates to the fictional vampire for some that people don't accept it. Some who are older didn't call themselves vampires at first like those now who can read a website and may be or may not be. It wasn't all about some of the things it is now. Time marches on and are they real...I think so but not like Hollywood.

Upir- are you saying I am naive and let my "emotions" rule over me, simply because I believe the truth?

Why keep asking us for proof?
I found my own... I would suggest you to do the same if you are so obsessed with it

:)

In a word... yes.

most myths are founded on some truth, but as the centuries pass and the story gets passed on things get added or lost, twisted and turned until the basic truth that started it is lost completely.

I believe that there are vampires that roam among us, but i do not think they live forever, unless we are speaking of their soul being reincarnated over and over.

My opinion for what it is worth.

there will always be those that go to the church website and proclaim their atheism. their atheism isnt the issue, its the place that they insist on loudly and frequently proclaim that there is no god, and its all a myth.

so it would seem that it is much the same to come to the place that is promoted as the place for real vampires, then tell everyone how there is no such thing...would someone doing this expect praise perhaps? it wouldnt even be so bad if they limited themselves to just posting their opinion and letting it go, but some just cannot do this.

there are always such personalities in any forum, and i absolutly did handle things incorrectly when i didnt just ignore the hammer posters (by hammer poster, those are the ones that try to take over a discussion, by putting so many posts up that after a time those that might have an interest in a subject just shrug and say to hell with it).

i dont block people unless they are coming to my profile and being rude or insulting. a forum such as this is the place for open discourse...but there are better ways to do so than just repeating that everyone else is wrong so there.

and upir...if you wish to insult me, that is fine. you can insult me for having an open mind (i know, a crazy thing in a science person, but thats another conversation) but to throw insulting comments at ladies, i would have thought beneath you.
to throw insulting comments at people that bare my protection stamp is completely unacceptable.

i would like to very politely ask you to not do that again.
if you feel the need to insult someone, contact them directly then we dont have to use this forum to discuss such distasteful subjects.
i do hope you will agree.
~W~

Whoa... LW... back up and calm down.

If I recall correctly... and you can scroll up here to verify it... the only one making this personal and doing any insulting here was you in calling me to task because you don't like the facts and the reasoning I brought to bear on your claims. And for so doing, I rightly called you on it. That's not the same as insulting you.

I know logic is in short supply here... but let's not lose all semblance of it, okay? And I'll thank you to stop with the personal attacks and keep the forum topic on track.


- Upir'

To put it simply as many before me have within the boundries of this thread, yes Vampires exist. Do we live forever? It is depending upon the context of your definition for forever.

If you are meaning that, each individaul vampire in its original form is still walking the earth to this day, then no. That is not how we work. Their is a point in time that we die, in some form or other, we DO die.

If your context of forever is closer to the deffinition following and understanding that they do live on, are only re-born. Then you are more-so on the right track. As vampirechica has posted before me, I do not care if you feel me to be insane, I know who I am. I know WHAT I am. I am not ashamed, nor do I try to hide it. It simply is, in a term a fact. Are all facts believed? No.
That does not however mean that because one thing is not believed to be true by certain people, that they are false.

We do exist. We are amongst you. We do not go around proclaiming it. That would quite likely in these modern days be a death sentence or a trip to the mental institution, where as in one past life it was the salem whitch trials as being stoned or burnt on the stake.

With Love,
Lady Lilac

upir
ill gladly apologize if i was over the line...but i am very protective of those that i call friends.
so if you feel i was rude, it was not my intent, and ill try to make sure it doesnt happen again.

but i would appreciate the same from you in regards to someone that was only speaking her mind.

~W~

WOW intense conversation to say the least!
what can i say...hmm....i hope the lochness monster IS real! :) I would also like to think that blood sucking vampires cursed with immortality roam the earth..however i have no proof of either of these things. Are there people whom are sangs? YES, we know this to be true. Are there people whom feed off energy? Yes again! Will everyone ever agree on anything? NO!
I read recently about a case in romania when a family dug up a loved one to burn their heart at a cross roads to ensure they would not return as a vampire. People have strong beliefs in legends...look at christianity , that is nothing more then a legend as far as i am concerned...a rather well written book about a guy called jesus and his adventures. I think to sum up...i'm sitting on the fence...its a good view from up here btw.

I guess I am with Vampchic on this one. it is very important to keep an open mind where the supernatural is concerned. I have never seen a ghost or anything supernatural but that don't mean it don't exist. Just because someone drinks blood it don't make them a vampire. It isn't fair to push your beliefs on others. an open mind doesn't mean that you close your beliefs off to what might be out there. I am an agnostic but that don't mean without proof that I wouldn't believe in God just only I would need proof. These threads aren't here so that a person can push what you believe on to another it is to put the information out there so whomever is reading the post can make up their own mind

Me, personally, I am the type that believes anything is possible until it is proven to me without a doubt that its not. Fact leaves no room for possibilities....Therefore what is really fact?

I feel that vampires, ghost, even goblins and fairies and all manners of creatures could potentially exist because there is no proof that they DONT

People say..well this doesn't exist because no one has ever seen them. Someone had to have seen them at least once otherwise the stories would never have been written.

To believe that something is impossible strictly because there is no documented proof of its possibility is close minded and ignorant. Open your mind to the possibilities instead of shutting it off to what could be.

are vampires real yes and the reason I am agreeing that they are real is based on the information of a article "The Anunnaki, the Vampire, and the Structure of Dissent"

located here

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/anunnaki/anu_23.htm

a brief outline of this article reads "The vampire, an archetypal figure who pops up in many myths from around the world, is most familiar to Western audiences in the form Bram Stoker’s Dracula and Anne Rice’s Lestat - aristocratic bloodsucking immortals of unholy origin. In more paranoid circles, vampires have been re-imagined as a race of alien beings called the Anunnaki, who have traveled from beyond to control and colonize the planet Earth (in fact, they’ve been in control for quite a while now).

Looking at the conspiracy theories of underground celebrity David Icke, Marcus LiBrizzi offers his own theory about the meaning of these horrific beings for a world caught in the grip of a grand economic reorganization. Linking these myths to the realities of transnational capital and the Network Society, LiBrizzi is able to craft his own compelling narrative about the horrors of the New World Order. "

"The latest incarnation of the vampire - in the conspiracy theories of David Icke - reveals the critical, revolutionary heart of the vampire legend. Discourse on the vampire appears above all to provide a structure of dissent, a metaphorical means of representing and soliciting critiques of the social order. The Anunnaki form of the vampire - in its immersion in the constellation of contemporary conspiracy theories, in its reflection on global capitalism, and in its blurring of historical and fictional narratives - has moved this structure of dissent from the cloak of darkness to the light of day."


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I agree with Vampchica, and I also believe vampires are real. Upir: you say you don't believe something is true just because someone else said so. Do you believe in gravity? Or the "fact" that we are "intelligent" creatures? Or that the moon orbits the earth? Someone else says it's true, and you believe that. What's the difference? Just because they have more evidence to support their claims doesn't make them any more or less true. Also, someone saying something *isn't* real doesn't make it so either. For example, if you said I wasn't real, I would still be here.

I believe what the voices tell me to believe...

Vampchica- I like your passion and your faith, don't let anyone shake your foundation

upir- you said you are open minded to the point that your brains don't spill out and yet I feel as though you have done exactly that... In pleading your case to and endless albeit seemingly educated degree if you want the sheeple to follow you, run for office or start a site comparable to facebook or start a cult.

Lw- good job debating and keeping a level head...

I believe in faeries!

If we wish to pull this forum back onto logic then I challenge you Upir to explain somthing....If all we believed were issues that could only be varified by science then why do we have religious debate???...If the door were to be slammed shut and a person in the corner of the room to be screaming of facts and science, then how would we make progress to the better understand of subjects we as people are just expected to believe rather than back up with evidence....

Some things within this world should be up for debate, such in the way of this topic on here, having a different opinion is fine...But to give a low opinion of someone you do not even know is pretty low down there in the grand scheme of things...I understand that you are of a different opinion, again thats good, it encourages people to debate...However saying someone allows there emotions to rule over a topic is damn right derogatory....You are allowing your own emotions to actually rule such an opinion of someone just because they diagree....

In regards to Vampires, I believe they do exist and Im firmly behind Vampirechica.....Do I have to justify this...No...But I do believe that they do, just not with a hollywood capacity....More a belief towards the spirit with general needs and desires...

xSx

upir,


hello my name is Melissa , i suport lordwolf and vampchica4 . i'm not trying to be rude about for what i'm going to say and don't take it as i'm being rude but i didn't believe in vampires until i saw riply's believe it or not that some one has found a human like skull w/ fangs that's when i started believing in vampires . that human like skull w/fangs is real so that means that vampires r real . let me ask u this , do u believe in angels w/ wings ? i've seen one when i almost died cause of my gallblader . i highly believe in vampires , there r different vampires . there r ones w/ fangs and there r one ones w/ out fangs there r ones that drink human blood and there ones that drinks only from animals . like i said i didn't believe in vampires until i seen it my self of that human like skull w/ fangs . there r vampires that walks in the day and night time . i have a friend that is a real vampire that only driks blood from animals and she also eats food , too . just like w/ me , ihad to have a tooth pulled and they did x-rays of my mouth and found fangs hidden under my gums and when they try to come out they hurt realy bad and that's no bullshit about it my boyfriend can tell u the same thing cause he was there when they did the x-rays on my mouth . i'm not a vampire but that's what i have is fangs and i haven't told no one until now . i have asked my friend to turn me and she said no cause she is scared that she might not stop u can believe me or not , that's ur feedom of speech but PLEASE don't cut any one down because of what they believe in like vampires cause it's like telling some one not to believe in god when there is one . sweetie i'm not trying to be rude or be mean it's just that just because u don't that don't mean that u have to make every one else not to believe in vampires it's like i said it's like telling some not to believe in god when there is one . we don't make comments about things that u believe in now do we , no we don't .


I LOVE U ALL AS EQUIL PEOPLE CAUSE WE R AS HUMAN AS U R . VR IS A PLACE TO WHERE WE CAN BE OUR SELFS RIGHT ?

actually... I do believe in "vampires" per say... I believe they DO NOT have fangs... and they DO NO have problems with the sun... nothing more than anyone else... and they DO NOT have the ability to live forever... and ARE NOT the undead... and DO NOT have super human strength or abilities unless they have practiced and learned them on their own... as any other person can do.

But I believe that they DO drink blood, and they DO see their practice as a lifestyle and to an extent form of religion, and I believe that the myths are exaggerated accounts of things that have happened in the past.

I also believe people here at times has no idea what a real "vampire" is...and are in fact going off of media such as popular books and movies as their "claims"... but I also believe that people have the right to believe whatever their little minds wish to believe...

So I think we should also respect the choices of others... state your point, if they accept it...awesome... but if they don't...show them sources and if they still refuse... it's time to move on, because everyone is so thick-skulled around here and are not willing to bend to anyone elses views.

Well said Lordwolf, bows to lady Lilac and Vampirechich. Upir and Dabs are very curious and often challenging.However research must be tempered with a degree of respect and realisation that belief and reasearch alone are not enough. In truth such a stance is only likely to annoy, intelligent people should know better than to come across as arrogant.
To keep on thread yes, they do and for the record GOC many do have serious problems with U.V rays. As for your research, here is a tip.Goto a supermarket and look for shoppers who smell of SPf, wear dark glasses and hang around the meat counters yet avoid the overhead "bunsen burners".Enough said but have a care for most I know have furious tempers and will throw you through the vegetable rack if accused, treated with any degree of coercion or foolish inducement.

...i meant.... they won't bust into flames... or start to glitter

many people..."vampire" or not have UV issues... so it's not really a "vampiric" trait having said that.

Okay, I was not talking about PROVING that they exist. I was simply saying that people are more ready to BELIEVE. Not PROVE. Two completely different things.

Wow. Some people on this site think they can NEVER be wrong. Guess what... DENIED!

Are they real?
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actually... I do believe in "vampires" per say... I believe they DO NOT have fangs... and they DO NO have problems with the sun... nothing more than anyone else... and they DO NOT have the ability to live forever... and ARE NOT the undead... and DO NOT have super human strength or abilities unless they have practiced and learned them on their own... as any other person can do.

But I believe that they DO drink blood, and they DO see their practice as a lifestyle and to an extent form of religion, and I believe that the myths are exaggerated accounts of things that have happened in the past.

I also believe people here at times has no idea what a real "vampire" is...and are in fact going off of media such as popular books and movies as their "claims"... but I also believe that people have the right to believe whatever their little minds wish to believe...

So I think we should also respect the choices of others... state your point, if they accept it...awesome... but if they don't...show them sources and if they still refuse... it's time to move on, because everyone is so thick-skulled around here and are not willing to bend to anyone elses views.

Why not, take the Test?

Here is a non intrusive vampire test A real vampire told me about last week. No needles required.
TRY using any old smelly tropical High SPF. Heaves.
FAR Worse ...
TRY lip balm namely, Banana boat spf 20-50 Let me know how you get on with that one. The reaction is normally hilarious.

i don't see how that is a valid test whatsoever...
but ok... if a vampire told you that... then I guess it's
how they see if someone is a vampire... but I disagree to an extreme... because I'm pretty pale...and I even get heat rash
if I get too hot and I burn horribly... but so does my albino
next door neighbor.

That doesn't really make him a vampire... just albino
I even have a friend who is black that sunburns...
it's all up to a person's skin... nothing more.
Some people are sensitive... but they aren't vampires.

So I see a flaw in this test because people like this
will automatically pass this test when they are just
sensitive to sunlight...

This whole scenario with the sunscreen reminds me of the Movie Blade though... LMAO. The vampires are downed in sunscreen just to walk outside and they look completely ridiculous. hahaha!

Vampires are real and among the humans as we speak not like the so called ones from movies but existing none the less.As for living forever are believe in reincarnation of our inner soul that may go on to another being cause this body we are in now is just a shell our soul and energy can go forever .

well said starrbright. This is just my thoughts on the matter, if someone chooses to identify with being a vamp or anything else in truth who are any of us to challenge them? In my mind this just leads to a pointless debate.

In todays society, with wealth being the ultimate power in this new world.

If someone really knew how to live forever. I know one thing.

They would be selling the secret! And be the most powerful person in the world.


So, no, it is safe to say, the holy grail has yet to be discovered.

But, they certainly live longer, its all about control. The breathing, the heart rate.. self induced comas .. think, hibernation.. and you are close.

well reincarnation is a great opionion... and it's interesting to to look at it like that... but it's not really "living forever" figuring you have to die to live again... and most people have no knowledge of their past lives... so they must start again anyways.

I think they are. Thee are too many myths an legends abounding for them not to be.

Oh GOD O.C. you have made my day, the test has absolutely nothing to do with photosensitivity but thats an understandable mistake.Grinz* to the cotton mouths.

by the title of this forum i thought this was about BOOBIES!

sadly i was wrong :(

well i believe that different forms of vampires do and can exist though i do not think that they are pure forms like long ago...why well i feel just throught time with the changes of everythign,they too had to change,evolve if you will to adjust to the stand living of todays life

I read through as much on here as I could and caught a pattern. One guy simply asking for logical reasons and proof as to the possibility that vampires exist and a few other people getting puffed up because they thought he was cutting them down. Now he did step out of line the last bit but I personally agree with him.

I'm a strong believer in just being able to believe what you have no proof is truly real... but if you want to go on and say for a fact that something IS real, you need proof. In the world today (the world of science, logic, and fact) you have to have cold hard evidence that a vampire would exist. Something credited by a scientist or someone that can easily say "yes, vampires exist as they do in myths and legends". Thinking logically is not a crime, people. Logically, there's no proof vampires exist and you can't get mad at anyone for not believing because there's no proof.

You all say you believe.... where's your PROOF of it? Documentation? A skeleton (yes, I saw the big paragraph above by Xp0is0nGirlX, but Ripley's isn't exactly a reliable source). A team of scientists that can tell you they're real. Someone... just one person who IS a vampire, coming forth to say he's a vampire and be able to prove it with fangs and certain abilities.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong and I'm not saying anyone is right. But I think everyone needs to chill out because some people prefer logic and that's FINE and some people prefer faith and that's FINE.

I personally believe that it's POSSIBLE. Not once did Upir say it wasn't possible. (Not that I saw.) He simply requested proof which is understandable. He was trying to have a serious conversation that would go farther than just "I think they're real/I don't think they're real."

Anyways. Like I said, I believe it's possible that they DO exist but I'm not gonna say they do for a fact if I don't see it with my own eyes or feel it, which I haven't. I have a few different theories on how they could have survived this long without ever being caught but again, I personally would love the cold-hard evidence.

It would be easier to shove a certified documentation at someone rather than trying to explain my beliefsover and over. That's just how I see it any way...

In the days of the old, the vampire did live forever. But through time and war it changed. No one knows for sure why but the new vampires are very moral. You have to be a descendent of the anicents to be immortal now.

LRD,for others benefit I will say that that Upir is one of the most accredited researchers and historians on this site when it comes to research on Vampires.It seems that there truely are a few who consistantly argue and debate anything that doesnt sit with what they believe or with what they would have others believe about the true nature of a vampire as well as other metaphysical things.When anyone asks for proof or even evidence,or presents evidence of another truth,they resort to name calling or snide remarks and false accusations.Hopefully,if we all play together long enough,getting to know one another and such,we will eventually learn to accept another's opinion and evidence ,and learn how to debate without all that thread crashing garbage.But in the end..facts is facts and that is what will always prevail.And evidence is what we use to determine the exsistance of something..whether it be vampires or dinos.
Do I believe in the immortal Vampire? No.Not at this point in time.The evidence points too far away from that ideal as far as one body being immportal..Do I believe in vampires? Not in the sense that everyone seems to but I think it that perhaps they do exsist in some way..just not what the masses believe they are.
Do I feel that the question of their exsistance and lack of understanding and evidence of stems from the vampire being secretive and careful in their feeding? Hell no.To me,that makes no sense at all.It is very evident that non vampires and self proclaimed vampires clammor for proof that they exsist, and the SP vampires clammor for regognition that they are exactly as they claim.They WANT to be acknowledged accepted and adored for what they believe they are.And hey,thats human nature.

To TheGreenKnight:

Then explain what you ARE testing with sunscreen then?
Banana boat spf 20-50? If it's not photo sensitivity then what it? Cuz nothing else makes sense... don't make sense to "test" a vampire in such a manner anyways...

because there's nothing one cannot wear that everyone else does... you make it seem as if they are not of this planet... something who will shrivel and die if you splash a little sunscreen on them.

In all honesty,we MUST get off of that Burned by the sun,healing faster and being stronger than everyone because that simply is false. There are alot of people ...non vampires who are like that.What I am hoping to see is some thought put forth in determining what would truely make them different and something that would make them vampires .Not the hollywood ,immortal,super human or non human.IF there is indeed something different about Vampires as opposed to the normal person,then I think we should be looking for that.But being burned by the sun and loving the dark isnt cutting it.Nor does a blood lust.
So what is that determining factor or factors?
We really cant say gaining energy,because people do that naturally..it is in our make up.Some more than others,yes,but none the less,we all give and take enery from others as well as our surroundings.
Now,it has been mentioned,and there is alot of evidence to support this,as well as being a constant theme in vampire lore,and that is sex.
There is a question I would love to ask the poster who said this was not about evidence but belief.
I would like to know what is it that you have seen ,for heard that makes you a believer?

I honestly believe this is a prime example of when debate turns into somthing personal...I agree that we all have the right to our own opinion, be it at the cost of justification, but in many ways this only conspires to encourage the tradeing of intelligence, information and beliefs...I personally believe this is an amazing thing to have on this site....

My earlier point was that it should not turn personal, to condemn one for having a different opinion is wrong...That is why I felt it wrong that emotional references were being brought into a debate of a topic which I find highly interesting...especially against an amazing friend of mine, someone who is highly intelligent and does not deserve such a frivilous remark...

I believe that in this world there are many things that science will never be able to explain...Experiments, studies and fact finding are useful and have saved many lives, however I think that in order for us to prove the existance of vampires, real or not would be to first establish what we should be looking for...many have been influenced by the hollywood ideal, such as the body disintergrateing into dust at the mere shard of sunlight, with a crucifix somewhere in the background to warn off such creatures....But where do we stand on a common ground??? What do you believe are or could be the main aspects and features of a true immortal vampire???

xSx

LOL the funniest thing about all this? Upir has NEVER stated he did not believe in vampires.In fact,it has been the opposite,only his deffinition through study and personal experience,deffines the Vampire differently than most here do.
Anyway,EH,many resonses do come from the emotional side,especially when there is very little to stand on as far as evidence,and it comes down to nothing but a belief system.The proof of that is right above our posts.Post after post after post.When that belief system is challanged, the believer gets upset because there is nothing but their own experience and some testimony to support whatever it is that they believe in.There is no explaination,no evidence to support their claims.Then,as logic predicts,the name calling and the feelings of being insulted commense.
Would it be nicer to say passionate?Simply because someone observes that and comments about it,in no way means it is an automatic slam.And no,science might not be able to explain everything.Now.But who is to say it will not eventually?And lets face it,there have been many myths and beliefs that have been "busted" because eventually it was proven to be something else that was not,in fact,supernatural.
Whats to say that being an immortal vampire is nothing more than a metaphor?
And if Vampires really wanted to keep it secret? You wouldnt be on a public website trying to convince anyone who will listen that you are real.
In other words.REAL assasins and REAL spys dont go around telling everyone they exist.

You make a very valid point Oceanne, I do believe there is alot to be said for what many consider the true 'immortal vampire'...I wonder if maybe it is an expression referring to something else, not just the physical body but maybe the spirit...

And yes I do believe that when debate becomes heated that personal comments are made, it is somthing which we have all throughout time incurred in some way or another, but still sometimes it's a little bit immature to take the subject off track into the realm of back slanging...

I will admit there is nothing to say that science could go on to actually prove or even disprove anything within this world or the next, but the chances of that I fear are on average partculary low, in my opinion impossible...But that is honestly my own personal thought, even my uncle whom is a dedicated scientist has said there are some things that will always be under debate and never considered fact because the same subject will be brought up time and time again, only to be subjected to even more scrutinyand ridicule, but this yet again encourages even more study into such subjects to obtain the truth....

In regards to keeping it a secret, I dont think anyone on this thread has actually 'outed' themselves as a vampire, just merely stateing they believe in such like, opinions of which I respect, whether they believe or not...I see your valid point that if you were a vampire, why would you go around telling everyone....But again, vampire or mortal alike, it is your own choice in such a matter and it shouldnt matter if others believe you or not....and yes it is a very public site but as we know, people on here can be anything they wish to be....so even if someone is saying they are, then you will still not know their true identity, not all profiles are truthful in any respect, some with different names, locations, ages etc, so their identity will still remain a secret...

xSx

Dude, nobody here says they are a vampire, thats not my experience? Erm comes singing and dancing out of his box..."So sing if your proud to be gay....ermmm scrub that proud to be"sang",wow a powerful pun.Also my lip balm test was removed...Grrrr it's my test and I stand by it. Also it's a jolly funny way to approach a problem that has universities running aroud like school boys...

Tyra Banks iterviewed Don Henri his blood results were inconcluive as were mine, this is Dr's code for "Oh no sir..we,ve got a problem".
P.s. please do not remove, it's on topic and amusing.

Oceanne, thank you. I do happen to realize how well researched Upir is on the subject which is why it bothered me to see so many people attack him for asking for proof which is a completely understandable request.

Anyways... I like the thought here, that maybe the whole "immortal" part of vampires is honestly a reference to something else.

Like the belief that immortality is of the soul and not the body. It makes more sense no? Say if you were a vampire in one life, you'd be reborn as a vampire in every life? But again, that leaves the debate: "what exactly makes a vampire, a vampire?"

But I really do like that thought and it's something I've spoken to my mate about before. He's one of those people who claim they're a vampire. *shrugs* He says he's 140,000 years old. But when he says that, he means that number of years of all his separate "reincarnations" added together. He rarely clarifies that little detail and I personally can't blame anyone for thinking he's either arrogant (which he is) or that he's crazy (which he's not). He's a fairly intelligent individual that sometimes, you think is a complete idiot...

But anyways. It's a truly neat thought because maybe we misinterpret a lot of myths and legends because we take it so literally when maybe, it's NOT meant to be taken so literally.

The problem lies within the definition of what a Vampire is....

If it is defined as in the texts, myths and media then that would be completely different to the definition of those of the Strigio vii for example.

Many here will insist that a vampire is only such when they have died, come back to an un-dead existence where only blood sustains life but that just simply is fiction

Vampires/Vampryes exist in this world and are completely and utterly not the stereotype of Hollywood and ancient mythology

"There can be no doubt but that the definition of the Vampire today and that as was actually known hundreds of years ago by the indigenous peoples of Central and Eastern Europe as well as in Russia has changed drastically."

Thus if one seeks today the "Vampire" as defined by fiction, one is going to be very disappointed.


- Upir'

Even those who identify as vampires attempt to distinguish themselves from others that identify as vampires.. even by spelling.. then they arbitrarily declare that it makes no difference to them.. then why not just drop the nomenclature? avoid all the hassle of having to rattle off.. "I am a vampire.. BUT.. not like blah blah.. yack yack.. .. I am just like everyone else .. yack yack.. blah bl;ah.. BUT .. I blah blah.. "

How moronic would one figure they sound with such contradictory twittery?

All the while the infighting among professed vampires is obvious, and amusing.. see they scuttlebutt each other, and throw each other under the bus.. until a rational person calls them on their "This-is-all-so-easy-to-grasp" ideals.

see all I see here is flattery, and back patting..

and cries of foul.. asking that a discussion takes place? ha.. every thread turns into a "Just accept us.. Pleaseeeee.." or a personal testimony soup box.. get over yourselves already.. make with the education.. it is your only lacking frontier.. how readidly yoyu "come out of the coffin" and leave anything of substance (ie referable material) in the coffin..

For the record there are a few.. very few that are an exception to the above common denominator.. weather or not I subscribe to their summary, is irrelevant, but they don't particular want people to be astonished, and embrace them for their adopted identity.. because so many use subculture as a surrogate personality.

It becomes evident when threads marked "Undead" get pretensions post about how " Thats not vampire'

Gag me with plastic fangs..

its human nature though.
once someone formulates an opinion and someone else has something similar, they will fight about the nitpicky details.

and then bite the head off anyone new who joins the fray.
and this is why i don't advertise the fact that I am a vampire (besides the fact that the world is not kind and everyone would say I am insane)

The underlying intent of certain individuals is very transparent, and it is not uncommon for such individuals to adopt any fringe ideal, just to see how people react..

I am still in the "So, now what.." as in..

If.. IF I subscribed to each person that claimed to be a Certifiable vampire.. then What.. ? what significance does it serve? See the intent of some is to intimidate by proxy.. "Ewww we are Vampires..", it is evident when they assume that anyone who rejects their weak unsupported idealism is "Just to afraid to believe."

No see.. it is a personal conviction.. based on experience, that is not belief.. what people want.. occultist, and alternative meta-physicist want is admiration, and people to be enthused by them.. rather then developing applicable personality, and character they pitch a far fetched ideal.. and another benifit it serves is the default association, as if others with similar ideals are obliged to associate with them..

It is just that so many blame what their belief as the reason people don't accept them, when in actuality they have not developed socially, and they surrogate through fringe beliefs.. the more outrageous the better.

Always ready to ramp their pitch up, until they are on a pedestal, and make others reach for them. Artificial esteem.

The dominate element are those that apparently don't want people accept their conviction, but for people to believe them, and fuss over them.. about 'how brave they are' and how exceptional they are' convincing people that they are "all that".. how tragically sad.

but the real question is "what good does it do to fight people who want to believe something is one way and you believe something is a different way?"

I think every myth/legend has a little truth to it. They've just been told and retold so many times the original has been altered. Some come from other legends which someone altered to create a new one just to scare people.

If you believe in darker powers then some will believe that if more and more people believe in something it can be created moreso by our imaginations.

If you take vampires for example:
The typical "original" hollywood vampire was burn in the sunlight, risen as undead .... ect..
It came around that back in the day they couldn't tell if you had died or not so you were just buried when you may have had a concussion. Before the air holes and bells you had to climb your way out of your grave, thus the undead tale.
And there are actually people allergic to the sun, not common but IS possible. Your body's immune system sees the "tanning of the skin" as foreign and attacks.

In some form or another a vampire may be possibly real though, not anyway shape or form a hollywood version though.

Unseen posts;"but the real question is "what good does it do to fight people who want to believe something is one way and you believe something is a different way?"

The believer crosses the line when they berate, directly, or indirectly those who do not share their ideas, or are simply indifferent to their ideas.. such believers are offended when nonbelievers state their reasons for not subscribing to a persons belief.

Even if one is curious about the ideals of most who identify as vampires.. if they inquire out of curiousity, they commonly get nothing of substance from the believer, which demonstrates how empty the average 'vampire' is.

yes yes yes, but it takes two people to argue, if someone tries to push something on someone else, you can just ignore them and not fight at all.

But what is there to argue?

When the believer only spouts personal testimony, and bulks at anything of substance.. how easily people bunker in their opinions.. the old.. well thats what I believe."

Big deal. Believe what you want, but accept that people (curious people) will ask questions, and if a person becomes all indignant over questions, then why bother expressing their beliefs?

Opinions are best supported, are they not? Most opinions here are bolstered with conjecture, and vague anecdotes.

Noone believes 100 percent, of everything.. relating to even their pet beliefs.. to make a bold assertion, and become all offended when people don't applaud, and accept you with enthusiasm is childish.

What is the significance served by subscribing to every pet belief?

Believe what you want, but realize that what compells you, is not sufficient for others.

no I totally agree with you, I am just saying that there are a lot of unnecessary fights that break out over stupid things, people need to learn to let things go.

Okay, I just saw this asinine comment:

Instead, the only thing that can be found are either wacked-out serial killers (all very much alive and not "reanimated corpses") and people with psychological problems or those who either desperately want to believe in such or want others to believe they are such.

Oh yes.. I also wanted to add; that comment was not meant to be insulting, or my actual feeling. I was just trying to prove a point about insulting people.

We all need to think before we speak. Think about what you are saying.

This type of thread is always going to have the same outcome. And do you know what that means?..............

THIS THREAD IS ABSOLUTE INSANITY!

Insanity is repeating the same action over and over again expecting different results! Unfortunately, every single time someone opens a thread about this topic, the arguing, the name calling and the snide comments and bickering all start.

Are They Real??

Yes, No, Maybe So!!

Let's move on to the next topic please because these debates are really starting to get old. The answers are NOT going to change!

It would serve those who identify as vampires to present their personal Criteria, Those of the Vampyre (strigo) actually are notable, in their distinction.

Without that offered criteria, those who are deluded graft of those with a concept behind their ideal/belief.

The Blanket term allows for impostors, I am certain that most that identify as vampires would agree with that.


How many would you figure are phishing, and gratuitous in their claimed vampirism?


Parading around ones belief is one thing, but take the extra step to offer a criteria that you adopt..

Are you asking me for what my personal beliefs are? I would tell you all of that no problem in a private message. I come from a wealthy background, I just find it rude to ask about religion, the cost of your house, you know, subjects such as these.

If what you are asking for are my personal rituals.. what I do in my spare time, of which I have little of, I would be more than happy to share that with you.

I am still a bit confused with the whole Vampyre/Vampire thing

Thats it right there, the whole arbitrary ambiguity.

I say criteria, what criteria do you base your convictions on? Please dont say.. "I just know what I am."

Unseen, the whole Vampyre/vampire thing is arbitrary, yet they persist to ambiguously invoke the spelling.

As if general society is just going to drop all the vampire paradigm and established lore just because a few (unsubstantiated) individuals feel they are somehow vampires.

Time to get a new Nomenclature, or represent with founded education material. Rather then imply that people.. "Just need to take you at your word."

Because if a person announces to others that they subscribe to your ideals, then it is reasonable to expect them to be asked basic inquires..

So by Criteria, I mean just that. What do you base your convictions on?

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