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Dear everyone, Dear anyone,

I know it has been a long, long time ago since I last posted a new message but there is something I feel like sharing. Also I would like to get your opinions as well.
A year I was a member of an other vampire forum. We also had deep discussions about vampirism there, that was until the numbers of visitors of that site decreased swiftly. One of the many issues we discussed was, how is was possible to become a vampire. One’s theory was that a true vampire is not bitten but that he or she is born with the vampire in themselves. He explained to me that the vampire would come out by serious emotional damage, you could say that the trauma would cause an opening or perhaps a transformation. I believe that he based his theory on the saying that ‘there lies evil in every soul’. His story makes sense in a way, but since I do not have the answer how men become a vampire, I do not know if this theory is near the truth or far fetched. I wondering maybe you could help me out?

Love, Amalia.

No I have indeed not read the Vampire Codex, if I had I would already know the answer to the question if humans can become vampyre trough trauma.
Thank you for anwering my question.

Amalia.

There is only one way for a human to become a vampire. He must be bittin bye a vampire and drink the vampires blood.

I must say Nightgod. I think it can also be done thru emotional damage. As you will find that some Persons wishing to become a vimpire, have had some sort of emotional scaring.

Nightgod.. that is only 1 myth. (And one I dont readily believe in.. though as a Whitewolf storyteller for 10 years? yeah.. ive read it. Pure fiction.)

Bitten? Yes.. according to legends and lores.

Though I also believe in reincarnation that can lead to vampirism as well. A soul that just wont die and keeps going on and on and on.. and on.. and on......

I also believe a vampire can be awakened by emotional trauma, or any severe emotional state.. such a rage or loss.

Just my 2 cents.

I have not finished reading the codex, but I remember that part lown...It makes sense. I think that you can be born as one, but that you can be unaware of what you are, and be sired.

may i ask where you can buy a copy of the vampire codex. is it even on sale?

I believe true Vampyres are born

But i enjoyed reading your friends theory

Thought provoking & an interesting twist

the vampire can be awakend by emotional dammage,or a life ended in injustice, bitten perhaps, but really i think not the vampire is something in oneself that needs somthing from other humans to live.may it be blood, energy, revenge, love, pain ect.

Hi Lown,

What happens to ethics when it is a parent hypnotising a pre-teen child?

Could the parent not have a right, as it's guardian, to try and protect it form a psychological condition which is likely, if not certain, to cause it harm in adult life?

You all have very good points but i must bring up one more i feel some are geneticly determined to be the way they are i have 3 out of four living siblings on here as proof

Stabb, It is a parent's or guardian's sacred job to protect their young. I feel that a parent who permits tampering with a child's mind has gone more than a few steps in the wrong direction. That would be altering the child's personality before you know what he/she will be.

Thank you all for responding to my words. Like I said before I haven't read the codex, untill now I didn't even know that it excisted. So thank you for enlightening me and the website. You have been helpfull.

Love, Amalia.

The codex is pretty good.

From what I have been told, I have things that have been blocked away in my mind. I think that parents should let their children discover who and what they are, and not interfere in that

I have not read it either but I will soon. Thanks for putting it out there.

I think what the parent did was wrong. That is sheltering their child to the extreme. The parent should have prepared the child, or in this case, not have blocked the event in the first place

While i think parenting has a lot to do with it me and my syblings were not raised around each other. I lived with my father's mom, my oldest real sister was put up for adoption and she just found us a few years ago so i still say some of it is genetic

oooh, that gave me a thought . . . when some people go through something traumatic, perhaps their vulnerable soul are actually posessed by some sort of entity that makes them a "vampire". i don't know if that really makes sense, i'm just thinking out loud . . .

an extreme trauma could cause one to gain vampyre like traits, but to genetically change into a vampyre it would be virtually impossible, it is most likely to be a spychological change, and being bitten may also bring a sychological change not a phyisical or genetical one.

Most people have new revelations about themselves after 'heavy' experiences in their lives. So this wouldn't be too hard to believe.

no there are more ways to become a vampire then just be bitten... suicide.. a child that died (a roman writer named ovid wrote about that... prince striges who was one of the first vampires and made the transilvanians name vampires strigoi) being bitten by a vampire and drinking his blood makes you one too.. there are a lot of ways

i doi agree with the basic princable that evil is in every soul. and i feel that truma is a very good way for it to come out. so i agree

But, some question growsn on me... If i have a Trauma... can i be a "vampire from human" without a light/strong path (tutor)?...

good info...

thx for the link...

In a sense one can become a part of the condition through a certian amount of spiritual trauma. In this case, one is made into one. Yet, with this, it causes more harm then anything else.

Where we are born into the condition and eitehr awaken later in life or right at birth, those who gain the condition through such trauma tend to either A) Heal eventually or B) Suffer more and eventually become worse then anyone ever born into the condition.

Now if you look into the aspect of "There is evil in everyone" then one is suggesting that this is seen as some sort of punishment on a higher ground.

Yet, I do believe this is something that is religious or good and evil neutral. It doesn't matter what aspect or religion you are, we are, in any means, of the condition because we are brought into at one time or another.

- Sin

OK, I have alot to input on this...but lets start here with a correction..

see previous posting:
The codex when it first came out on the web was against the authors wishes, Father .. ,I forget him name, and a few that he knew put it out there and it was a text for her house only. Sense then she has revamped it (excuse the pun) and put a better but incomplete version on that website, which has come to be know as the Online Codex. The more full and complete codex ( which is almost the whole writings she uses in her house but with more defined sections left out) It the book "The Psychic Vampire Codex" still a very useful and knowledgeable book, but with a hidden purpose in its release. She released it in hopes of finding more members of her house.

Father Todd, ONE of the founders of the Sanguinarium, was not the only person, nor creator of the writing that have come to be associated with his history, a very debateable one at least. Michelle Belanger, the author of many of the original works he claims full responsibility for, did in fact weite "The Psychic Vampire Codex"- this is NOT related to Father Todd...she does not agree with his actions, and disclaims association with him...her Codex and his, tho they may have some basic tenants of similarity, are not the same..and should not be confused as such.

Now, I wanna make it clear that I do not agree with either codex. I have never been one to follow any group...call me a solitary. IMHO, alot of the hype and misleading shite in todays communities stems from White Wolf fictional jargon...I don't get how so many can be so clueless and not know better, but hey thats just my opinion. *?* Like I've said before, vampires, however you wanna spell it, semantics. existed before any of those texts, or any of these groups...but in many cases these groups do help those in need.

As far as trauma, do we mean an accident type trauma? If you mean no, and it's just basic horrible shite that one may encounter, like puberty, or a bad drinking binge...well semantics again, an awaklening is bound to happen some way somehow sooner or later, not matter the cause.

As far as actualy trauma, like an accident, or death recussatation (sp), sure it could happen, take my husband for instance. Several years ago, he was interested, pulled, towards vamps, he had had several dreams and odd experiences since childhood, but at this one point, he was hit by a drunk driver in his car, and died on scene, was brought back, with severe trauma, in every sense, and he can tell you that tho he may not remember the accident, the night just before it, or a few weeks after due to coma, he can pinpoint that this accident as a timeline, did indeed mark his beginnings of having bloodlust and being vamp. In a sense, you could say it was all part of his awakening...

Now he cen occasionally feed from energy, like crowds, or anger, or sex, but he is far more limited to blood feedings than I am..sadly.

But when it comes to types of feedings, this will be a new post I'll start...myself I am not limited to one type...but I think that the ways we feed can change or grow according to our time being awake.

thank you for the link im going to check them out

Personally I do not think trauma alone can make someone into a vampire. Nor do I believe you can be bitten or any of the otehr myths. Again this is my personal belief.

Now I do believe that someone that was born a vampire and had been ignoreing or denying this fact could be forced to accept it becuase of trauma or something along those lines.

But trauma alone.. no that I do not believe.

I believe that it is possible to transform alot of different ways....

yes,but then one can argue that ANY trauma received in life,particularly at a youg age,can and most likely will effect the person in an adverse way.most serial killers are born from trauma and an abusive childhood.so vampire traits through trauma is not hard to believe.

Thats a very interesting concept... Maybe the emotional damage could trigger off something in the brain that could trigger off vampire-like symptoms. It seems possible.

If anybody could tell me where to buy the vampire codex.... plz message me with the info.

how can it be said that psi vampires must feed to survive? as it seems that many claim to have an awakening point? well if this is so then how did they survive all this time before the awakening? complete bs. and if many desire to be vamps or an awakening experience how could it even be considered a pleasant experience or life change?

I did not even know there was a Cordex(sp?) yet i am going to read it and hope to learn more.

Well I don't see vampires as evil, but interesting theory :). I have noticed that with otherkin, the ones that seem to actually *be* other, tend to all have had really fucked up childhoods. What is up with that? And yes I mean those who show things besides a regular person with the same experiences or worse.

I have also noted that the best magicians are those who have gone through hell and back in their lives. Perhaps if your life is too comfortable, there is nothing to strive for, nothing to fight against, and all is comfy that you don't go looking very deeply, or you don't allow yourself past the comfortableness of normal human life.

Well some guesses anyways.

Night

Nice thread....I had not heard of this before.Learn something new everyday.

Indeed you do. I know that for some -including myself- trauma can accelerate an awakening of your vampiric soul, or vampiric tendencies as it were

stevenn - it looks like you can buy the codec for $7 from the link up top and its from Amazon ! :)

I believe heavy trama can induce an awakening and sireing can induce a wakening