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Hi people I need your advice!

I know most of the things that are required for an astral travel meaning that you need to protect your body with some sort of talisman etc.

I have also heard a lot of times that meditation is the key to achieve astral projection cause it helps calming your spirit and stay focused...

On the few times I had tried it I had some weird experiences... I felt caged in my body, I experienced psysical pain while trying to get ''out''. Another time I felt some sort of vertigo...Other times I was so relaxed I fell asleep...

What am I missing here? Am I doing something wrong?

I think that you need more practice, your doing everything right, you just have to figure out the tone of relaxing that you need to get to. Right now your flying past it so you fall asleep.

Seems like,your not focusing on how to 'get out' right.Like..if there somthing on your mind,keeping you from wanting to leave your body.And it sounds like a lack of sleep there.You need to feel comfort but yet awake enough to do this.

Too many "I"s. Who is this "I" that is trying to force astral travel? You travel every night or day that you sleep. What you want to do is to have total recall of your travels. After this, then you can travel at will. But you need to realize this "I" that wants to travel. Once you learn that it can't, then "you" can start to practice.

I have to agree with you Billy, I think you said it better than I could have.

I agree with billy as well, you need to tell yourself as your going to sleep that you want to remember your travels and as soon as you wake up write in a dream journal anything you remember. Your problem is that you have to remind yourself to remember and you do that by telling yourself that you will.

One way to practice is to form an energy ball in your hands. Then place your intentions into the ball. Send the ball to a place that you wish to travel to. Have the ball come back to you and see if you can pickup any images that the ball came back with. After this exercise for several months, send your conscience into the ball instead of intention. Go to bed. When you get up, have the ball come back and see what you can. You should also be writing down any and all impressions that you have been picking up. You will notice that you will be able to pickup more, the more you practice. Months, years, lifetime of practice. And notice there are no "I"s anywhere. It's "you."

Ok I understand what you are saying Billy. This isn't something that I can force to happen... Especially if I'm not there to do it...And thanks for the ''tips'' too...

I don't really feel that I have to achieve it right now, the only thing I want to get rid of is the vertigos and the pain... I think that what you and LadyWinterRogue suggested might help... It's true that I'm having trouble to recall my dreams too...

the vertigos and pain could be your coming back to quickly to your body... are you afraid of something or stressed?

It's also entirely possible that you've traveled and just don't remember it, since you don't remember dreams well, either. And the "pain" is possibly a subconscious fear of leaving your body. It happens...

Its not just moving your consciousness, its also about moving your ki, your spirit into another place from your body, for those who don't have a clue as to the consequences of what they are doing it will harm you a lot. Even those who do it often and are trained know that it can put quite a strain on your mind and your body for these things weren't meant to be seperated prematurely.

Because some people will not accept what is--to steal an 90's movie line, "strange and unusual."

It isn't difficult...It takes clarity of mind, no fear, and total relaxation...You must know you can do it...The harder you try, the harder it gets...

Good Comments Billy.. Helpful for me, too.

I plan to attempt to astral-travel on the next full-moon with a good friend beside me to guide me through.

He is adamant I can do it.. as I am very spiritually atune and open.. and I have a psychic awareness.

I find it difficult to open whilst I am Under IYKWIM.

It is difficult to achieve because one's mind must be claer and focused. That leaves the majority out

I wholeheartedly agree with Billy the just....

I have had a word with my fiancee too and she suggests that you should try some deep meditation to focus on controlling your ineer self to help you to project your innser self via astral projection.

M

I find that calm and patience is difficult to achieve.

That's typically step one.

I don't really know a lot about how this is done, but do know that there is a VR beginner's guide here

Dunno if that will help :)

Each mind is different as to what 'method' will work for them...I agree with a earlier post, most will not be able to achieve such things, as their minds will never be clear or focused enough...This should be the task that most should strive towards...

I know in order to relax my mind and body I do alot of meditation to help acheive a more relaxing state .. some have said this helps them to use asral ... I myself am not ready to use the at will method ..

i don't find astral travel too difficult as i usually relax and meditate for a while prior to going astral. However if you find meditation difficult and can't concentrate you could try using a candle to concentrate upon just to get you started.

Relax and breath slowly. I find total silence is needed. Sometimes I realize a state of weightlessness as if I am floating. The key for me is a clear mind.

oh, incidentally, I found those methods reading Edain McCoy's "Astral Projection for Beginners", a cheap book and VERY good reference for starting out. She includes 7 methods to achieve projection, 2 of which are the ones I mentioned in the previous post.

Final note about method A. in the above post. It helps if you create your visualization so that the end of it signifies stepping out and moving elsewhere as it were. You must be prepared to expect something unplanned behind the door in order to associate that with leaving your body.

I have to give you a word of warning...
Some times it can be dangerious to astral travel... I personally take a Familure with me when i do... Because on almost every time i have been attacked a few times... Shadows do love to attack sometimes.... Looking for easy pray but in my case they usually bite off more then they can chew and deal with being ate by my little pet...

Practise is the only way it gets easier or achievable at all. It takes a lot of dedication to get it right

can other entities really kill you on the astral plane?

Personally, Ghost, I have heard it as a rumor, but have yet to come across any documented cases in my readings.

However because you are essentially sending your spirit out amongst the ether, I would assume a bad run-in could definitely get you severely injured in a spiritual sense. Because a portion of your consciousness stays with the body, I would assume you would live... in a way.

I have never really wondered about the effects of an astral plane encounter strong enough to cause real damage and effects in the physical world. I proceed with caution every time out. Hm. Interesting.

I wonder if every time we dream we astral travel?

What exactly is the astral and plane and what is it like?

i'm discovering i need an emotional connection to be able to do it. Why is that?

Dreams can be a form of astral travel indeed.

In terms of needing an emotional connection, the spirit body is often very tied with the links of the emotional body. So an emotional level connection is no surprise.

I have myself had a nasty experience where i was backed into a corner and had to fight my way out of it during one of my astral sessions.

I was very lucky as my physical body was unharmed but my spiritual self still carries some of the scars from the battle.

I neither won or lost the battle as I was able to distract my assailants attention for long enough to slip away, however, it was not an easy task to achieve.

I do advise anyone to make sure they are properly protected before attempting astral travel as it does have the potential to be extremely dangerous.

I agree with Jenova in the fact that i do not think it so dangerous as to cause harm to the physical body in any major or life threatening way (although i have returned from astral experiences with minor scrathes to my physical self), however the spiritual damage could very well range from something minor to something extremely severe.

M

I've been asked this before many time and each time I still can't explain it. It comes naturally to some people like my girlfriend but for me it took some time before I was able to acheive it.

I have never attempted an astral travel, unless what you do sunconsciously in a dream state counts, I rarely remember any of my dreams. I have heard that if you are experiencing an emotional problem at the time you are trying to travel, you will go no where. You have to totally relaxed.

I find Astral Travel really difficult because I cannot focus. I suck at meditating because I become distracted so easily..especially by the voice in my head.
The best times i've had at traveling is when I didn't bother "getting out of my body". The body is kinda irrelevant in this sort of thing. Just be where you want to be and reaffirm you are there by slowly letting yourself feel yourself without your body. Some people need to see themselves getting out..just to reaffirm everything, but you can end up being too attached to the physical that way.

some of us may find it easy some of us may find it hard i am in the same boat i find it hard

i had the same experience as you had menerfecious. something or someone tried to prevent me from waking up. it happened about four times already.

its so hard because your soul has to leave your body even if its for a short while and thats hard to get your soul out then back in

i think i have done it once on accident. But it really freaked me out cause i had no clue what was happening and where i was. What i have read from others sounds like what happened. I was getting ready for bed and was sitting there with my eyes closed listening to my cat when i felt like tearing and disorientations and found myself looking at myself and then i was yanked back in my body, it never happened again. Maybe maybe not, but i do remember most of my dreams and can take control of them. :) took along time too.

in order to project properly a PURELY as natural environment as possible as well as a FAMILIAR is needed,,,,,,,,,no other things matter except u may be trying toooooooo hard

with astral travel you need a clear mind so medition is the ke to getting started. i hada friend and it took him over a year to even have a leave body experience.

I do not belive dreams are a form of astral travel, astral travle takes a lot of practise to achive...

Astral Travel is sometimes hard because your body has to be totally clear, medition helps but you also need talismans, inscence, a book, protection spells etc..its very difficult if your doing it for the first time as you might not have reach the ideal medition level for astral projection or Astral travel!

in astral travel...it's not going to happen unless you can get a mind set and believe that it can be a reality then you need to will yourself to that other realm of reality after learning to focus and concentrate spiritually.. it does take time for others and sometimes it's instant depending.

IGHOST that experience is worrying, if it has happened as many times as you say, my question is this...how many times have you performed astral projection successfully?

You see, if you have successfully done it hundreds of times, then having that experience is not really a major problem, just remember to keep yourself protected, however, if you have only been successful say 10 or 20 times and this experience had happened 4 or 5 times, then it is a real cause for concern as it would seem that something does not wnat you to experience the astral realms and their wonderous informative palces they have to offer.

M

I don't know too much about astral projection, but I have read that taking control of your subconcious conciously is very difficult to achieve. I've tried, and I simply cannot accomplish it. I'd say the same thing as everyone else, more practice.

CD that is what I worry about... you know.. the dangers.. I start to drift then BANG I bring myself right back, with a jump.

It seems I'd be falling in to myself.. yet I wish to project outwards! ODD Maybe that is the first stage.. not sure..
I do get a tad jittery as I go under

menerfecious. yes. as far as i can remember. ive been successful for 14 times so far. the first time it happened,i saw a face. it was kinda weird. then the 2nd time,i didnt see anything. everything was so black. i only felt myself inside my body and something was wrapped around me. the 3rd and 4th was the weirdest. it happened just a few hours apart. i didnt see anything though i felt this presence coming near me,and somewhat bit me in my back(since i usually sleep face down) and held me there for a few moment when i realized what was happening and i struggld until i was free. and then i woke up. i still feel the pain where it bit me. i tried my best not to go back to sleep but i only had a few hours of sleep so i had no choice. after 2 hours or so. i felt this presence again coming near me. and this time. it bit me harder. and this time. it took me longer time to wake up coz it was stronger. it took almost all my strength till i broke free. and then i woke up.

minx. i guess thats the first stage. ive been through that a lot of times before. it happens evrytime i lie in my bed waiting for my eyes to close.

I would have to agree with Billy and Jenova because it was how I learned way back how to travel. There are many ways to travel yet the basics are something that are hmmm perhaps tought rather than learned but then some of us are naturals at it.

Meditation, Realaxation these are what is needed for astral travel...

I do not know much about astral travel but after reading the posts I have to agree with La6Muerte66.

I believe it also may mean that you are not ready to let go and you may need more practice.

You are not missing anything, but it may be that you are trying too hard!

Relax more, and concentrate.

lGhostl

I suggest that you read the post that jenova has made as she has suggested an excellent technique to protect yourself from such things.

When I first started to perform astral projection, I was young and very naieve (i hope thats spelt right) and had no protection, I learnt how to protect myself with the use of chaos magick and astral magick as i progressed.

I have never myself had anything try to stop me from performing astral projection.

However, if it had happened to me, although I would have been much more determined to do it, i would also have waited until i had researched it more and tried to work out what was tring to stop me.

This is a course of action i suggest to you.

M

I think your difficulty lies in the bodies self defense mechanism, if you are not relaxed enough there will be panic and you will be pulled back in.
I have only ever confirmably astral traveled once (other times I am sure I did but can't confirm it) which involved me visiting my friend. I did it while I was asleep and it works for me because I am often lucid in that state. I can never relax enough while I am awake. So I think relaxation is part of the key.
Also you should shield as a safety precaution in general.

Try this:

The easiest way/time to project is in that moment, just after you awaken, when your sort of still asleep, kinda dreaming, but your also awake and have the ability to choose to go back to sleep or wake up. It is in that inbetween moment when it is easiest to escape your body.

You have to go somewhere that you have absolutly no distractions so you can get complete and total focus in meditation in order to astral travel. second,you when meditating to do so need to focus on leaving your body. In meditation imagine yourself leaving your body first and then on actually doing it.

Crystals can be found in almost any new age store or alternative jewellery store (the sort that sell belly bars etc etc)

Billy said it right in the beginning of this thread, its not the fact of not being able to travel its the ability to remember that you have.. You need to train your mind to remember what you do while asleep.

I must disagree, astral projection is the art of projecting your waking soul to another plane of existence.

To remember what you experience while on an astral plane when asleep is the art of remembering what happened during lucid dreaming.

Lucid dreaming (although technically astral projection) does not have the control of the waking mind, and therefore cannot actually be properly classed as astral projection. Lucid dreaming is also the first stage of learning astral projection.

M

lose your fears of the unknown thus being astral projection and you will not be trapped.the learning how to astral project ones self is the easy part the difficult part is putting those teachings past the thought process and implimenting them into reality...sometimes it takes a long time to achieve the desired effect and other times it is instant,there are instances of automatic astral traveling which one needs to learn how to controll after being able to perform this task i can recall years ago when i first started learning about Astral Travel it took me about 2 months to actually understand and to complete the process but afterwards i would have sessions of automatic astral projections when laying down or in deep thought.
heres a link that will help you out,good luck on your ventures.

http://www.astralsociety.com

when some one astral travels it usually can take every thing out of you

Start With the basics.

Step one:

Invision a blue ball (doesn't have to be blue just using it as an example)

After you invision a ball you would try to turn it into something doesn"t matter what that something is.

After mastering that. YOu would invision yourself in a differnt place and try to repeat that several times.

Once that step is accomplished you can go where others allow you too. You can NOT go where your not wanted Thus making it feel you are traped. cuz you ain't wanted there.

That is some very good advice fizbop, but if you imagined the sphere to be protecting you and you inside it, then imagined that the sphere took you to wherever you want to go, then the sphere would allow you to go anywhere and not get trapped.

Don't you think?

Practice makes perfect, try a combination of the required or advised techniques and items.

To answer your quesiton. Yes you could do that. Once again it's also the matter of somoene allowing you to be there. Some people have the gift that block astral travel. You not trapped but you feel as if you are. It's all about not going aggainst the will of the person.

menerfecious
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Posted: 03:34:36 - Jun 24 2007

That is some very good advice fizbop, but if you imagined the sphere to be protecting you and you inside it, then imagined that the sphere took you to wherever you want to go, then the sphere would allow you to go anywhere and not get trapped.

Don't you think?

I think we have to have our mind set on it and have to concentrate on leaving our body. One may be concentrating but lose the concentration after so long. The pain is probly another force trying to keep u into ur body but then again it may be something inside u telling u ur not ready or something.

Some wise words fizbop, i do agree, as a practiioner of astral projection I have come across a few that I would dearly love to block, some i have been able to, but most have been able to pass my blocking attempts. I think it is all really down to who has more experience and astral energy aswell. If you try to bypass a block that someone has put up, then sometimes you can if you are experienced enough to do so and have enough astral energy.

M

I find it hard also, I cant seem to get the knack of astral travel yet i can remember every detail of my dreams

im scared of this. i guess i have read one too many books where it has turned out bad. cant it be very dangerous?

so its not dangerous? can you ever get in a situation where you cant get back to your body or someone else gets in it?

I still haven't run into any problems with it. But that's my experience. No danger so far. Try an astral projection group like the one Jenova has started. It's a safer way to practice getting to a protected realm that already exists.

Well said Jenova, to add to your post … I see people at different levels, some advanced some not. for those who are having trouble projecting and are past meditation and focus stage. Try exercising just parts like arms or foot ect as you may well have energy blocks which cling to your astral body and stop it from ascending. Hence the want yet inability to project.
When first attempting I feel my energy rise from a vertigo position like a banana shape of my body still connected normally in the middle or groin chakra, head gets clear and feet get clear by an inch or so … work on that.
Energy blocks feel like to me like a tingling with a buzz vibration normally in my toes or arms. I also get the feeling like ants crawling over me or as my friend says “angels eyelashes blinking as they gaze at your spirit. I like to think of it as cobwebs lol
Some have reported hurt like bone tingle or cramping … I would check that out if you are cramping and maybe change position as you don’t need your body distracting you.
As you learn to work your energy some slip right out like a baby being born. As the sensations reduce it doesn’t mean your losing energy or the ability and you have not done something wrong. What you have done is unblocked the choking points and become stronger.
Hope that has helped.

i have never heard of going through any physical pain besides a head ach.... Most of the time people have a hard time with astral projection is the fact that subconsiously they panic and they feel that if they " come out" they wont be able to come back in. You will always come back though i was reading something about it cause i am also interested in doing it but never got the chance to yet. You are conected to your body but a type of string you can say and you will always be able to return it will never pop. Try reaserching some more and get a couple different ways on how to do it. Then see which one works best then just practise that one until you get it cuase you might be subconsiously panicing )O( Brie )O(

Practice with a mantra, hopefully one-syllable like "clear"... That one worked for me the first time... Darkness turned to greyness turned to floating..

The second you allow conscious thought to excite yourself though is where most people falter.

Like my sister Ladywinterroogue said, make a small ritual when you sleep to remind yourself to remember your dreams, and try to make remembering the first thing you do when you wake up. Write it down in a journal. It worked for me until I was able to do it while awake.

it really isnt that difficult just takes practice and focus

well umm i think i may have done it but not really meaning too, i think i did it through a dream mmmmm i am still learining about what it really is exactly, sorry i can't help but i hope u find hat ur looking for.

because it takes a lot of energy

the problems lies in your mind state you must be totlay relax and your mind free of clutter