One of the great maritime mysteries is that of the Mary Celeste.
Over 125 years ago, the ship was found floating, crewless, in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, in apparent pristine condition. The fate of the crew and passengers has never been adequately explained.
The Mary Celeste was launched in 1861, from the shipyard at Spencer's Island near the head of the Bay of Fundy, under the name Amazon. Following an accidental grounding at Cow Bay in Cape Breton in 1868, she was repaired and renamed the Mary Celeste. She operated under an American flag out of New York.
On November 7, 1872, the Mary Celeste sailed under the command of Captain Benjamin Briggs bound for Europe with a cargo of wines and liquors. He was accompanied by his wife, his young daughter and a crew of seven.
On December 4, 1872, the Mary Celeste was found floating 600 miles off Gibraltar. The official reports stated that everything to be in good order, except that the ship's paper and its chronometer were missing. The last entry into the captain's logs, on November 24, gave no indication of anything untoward happening or about to happen.
This is where the story gets a little murky and the mystery deepens.
The condition of the Mary Celeste, at the time of her discovery at sea, vary according to the reporter. One report suggested that there were bloodied weapons on board and blood on some of the sail. If this is true it suggests a pirate attack, something that was common in that area around that period. But if it was a pirating, why was the money box and the ship's cargo of wine and liquor not taken?
Another area of conflicting observation is whether or not the only lifeboat was still strapped to the ship.
Some other theories put forward over the years concerning the Mary Celeste have included:
the entire crew may have been swept overboard (assuming that one of them must have been carrying the chronometer and ship's papers at the time) by a large wave while watching their delirious (or drunken), fully-dressed, captain swimming around the vessel in mid-ocean with his daughter on his back (You can be sure that Mrs. Captain had something to say about that!).
The Mary Celeste came to the aid of a burning cargo ship filled with coal and explosives. The Mary Celeste got a little too close to the burning ship and the crew abandoned ship into a small lifeboat which also picked up the crew of the cargo ship. The lifeboat then capsized and all hands were lost. Unfortunately there isn't any record of a cargo ship being lost during that period and some have reported that the single lifeboat was still onboard the Mary Celeste.
the captain of the Dei Gratia, the ship which found and applied for salvage rights to the Mary Celeste, hatched a plot to takeover the ship by placing three of his cut throats on the Mary Celeste as crewmen. Once at sea, the crewmen overtook the vessel and killed the captain and crew. The Dei Gratia then "discovered" the "abandoned" vessel and claimed salvage rights to the ship and the cargo.
What is the real story of the Mary Celeste? What was the fate of Captain Briggs and his family, and the crew of the Mary Celeste?
Anybody got an idea?? This should be good....
Wow...I didn't realize it had gone that deep. I wouldn't even know where to begin as far as figuring out the truth on this one.
I have heard stories of more modern day pirates... I would say that since pirates of a more modern age have no need of another boat, it would add to sound reasoning that cargo which was desired was removed, and those aboard were killed and buried at sea...333
I think they thought the ship was taking on water and may have abandoned ship due to the court records stated the sounding pump was not working correctly. The seas during the past 7 days had been very rough. Boats and ships back in those days were small compared to todays vessels. They then were at the mercy of the sea. That is the theory I believe in anyway.
For one,a 100 + foot Schooner is not small.Even by todays standards.That vessel should have been able to handle seas that were quite rough.
From what I remember of the story,she was loaded with alcohol.
Which probably leaked and the crew thought it best to take a hike.
If the seas where indeed rough,that crew would have battoned everything down and in doing so,sealed up what little ventilation they had to begin with,thus turning Mary Celeste into Mary the bomb.
Now,granted,even though she was just as seaworthy as any ship today,her life boats whouldnt have been so great in a high sea.They might have capsized while trying to stay within range of her so they could reboard at a later time. Who knows.
Well, if the crew are anything like my friends on a night out they f***ed off when it came time to pay the taxi driver... it was a very serious matter for a captain to abandon his ship... he would not have done so willingly unless the ship were badly leaking water... if it reached Gibraltar then the damage could not have been that serious... besides...
Orr,maybe my sisters and I got em..I cant remember. :)
Not always true Uzziel.A captain would not abandon ship just for taking on a little water..that was a very common occurence.And obviously,the ship did not continue to take on water or didnt even take on enough to cause her to list.
There are several things that could have happened with this..all of them simply things that happen at sea.sorry guys,Im not going for the spook theory on this one.I know what its like out there.
And if I am not mistaken,that cargo was not liquor or wine..it was American Alcohol.
I really dont mean to sound so mean about this but honestly,there are so many things that happen at sea that might look strange when all is said and done,but are really just things attributed to natural phenomenon or other factors that have nothing to do with the triangle or aliens or anything like that.That area is also known for its squalls..which are violent and can be very deadly.One could have come up while they were in the Dink...blowing them away from the ship and causing them to perish.
And if they did abandon ship for one reason or another,yes,one of thee things your going to take is your Sextent or other navigational eq.
Yeah, it was American Liquour bound for Italy. I've found more about what happened on Wikpedia if anybody wants to check it out....
No actually,I believe it was straight alcohol..used to fortify wine and liquor.
The type they were hauling was not palatble to drink,and it was a little on the explosive side.The smell probaly scared the heck out of them whern they checked the hatch or something and they bailed.
Oceanne you have some great insight on this . I have heard alot os theories of this but never knew how deep it had gotten . Reading what everybody has said has given me something to think about . And read more into this subject.
They probably bailed into the Dink(lifeboat)..to get away from the ship..squall came up and they capsized and died.I know I would have bailed if I had smelled that stuff accumilated in the hold.
A wave swept them overboard....probably.
Or something like that. It was something simple.
well what ever it was it's a really cool story .... i didn't realize it was that indeapth.... thanks for posting it
Thanks Trin,but really its not anything someone else cant figure out who knows how things work out there.I love a mystery as much as anyone,and this has been a great stoy,but there are just some things that arent really spooks or aliens at all..and I feel this is one of them.
And damn,they were carring over a thousand barrels of alcohol..if it leaked on my boat? In a sealed hold?I would be the hell outta there .With a quickness.
I have to agree with a few of you . I don't that much on the subject but I have heard the stories and Oceanne you have have a great theory on this mystery.
You're welcome BornFromDeath. The whole incident was wierd, as as far as i can see from the original reports, the liftboat was still attached to the ship when they found it adrift........
there are a few incidents simular to this in the history books, but the Mary Celeste is the most famous, and no, not all of them are in the 'triangle' lol
i read that the marie seleste had another name.and it was an unlucky ship and sunk,got salvaged and then renamed.dont know if thats true or not.also a life boat was found somewhere with the right amount of skeletons on board adrift.
Whatever the truth of the mystery of the Mary Celeste, it is unlikely the answer will ever be found. The event was simply too far back in history. But one thing we can be sure of. If such a disappearance was to happen, the Mary Celeste was the prime brig for it to happen to.
Originally called the Amazon, it was built in 1860 in Nova Scotia. Its first skipper died shortly after taking it over. In the twelve years prior to the crew’s disappearance, it caught fire, made many disasterous voyages and passed from owner to owner before being renamed the Mary Celeste.
For the twelve years following its salvage it had seventeen owners, suffered more fires, lost several cargoes and several sailors died on board. Its last owner, Gilman Parker, destroyed the ship by fire in an insurance fraud. Just escaping imprisonment, he went bankrupt and died a pauper. If ever a ship was jinxed, it was the Mary Celeste.
This is the first time I have read so much detail regarding this.....may I ask where you found the info ?
it's all on the net when i used a Yahoo search. Tons of stuff, have fun:)
this story has always intrested me...just never really know much about it.....I knew of the beging of the story...never went looking for more of the story
Me too, rogue599 gave me the idea of researching it & then posting:))
Well, as I have heard of this ship many times allow me to toss out my theory. As I was reading this thread, I was eating grapes. As I plucked one it slipped from my hand. I heard it hit the carpet. When I bent down to find it, it had vanished. I find the similarities between the missing crew and my grape striking.
So when you solve the mystery of my grape perhaps that will lead you to what happened to the crew. Or not!
I have nothing to add (wish I could) apart from what a interesting and great thread .
hahah ...maybe one day you will find a raisin..
Great thread..lots of fun..thanks TW
I was reading about the Mary Celeste about a couple of days ago. I read that there were 10 empty barrels of ethonal, and it been a leakage in some of the barrels and everybody rushed off the ship into a lifeboat with the cord tied at the back of the ship until the emergency was over, but a storm picked up and the ship moved fast and the cord snapped and they were stranded in life boat. Another theory was that the snapped cord was off a pirates ship that may have been attached to the Mary Celeste during the attack and leakage in the barrels scared them away. I found out by my research that there was a cat a sleep on top of the cupboard in the Mary Celeste and there was also a lifeboat found off the coast of Spain with bodies found in the lifeboat, but they could not be indentfied, I found out on wikipedia.
I might risk getting flam but....here ismy hypotesus.
The cpt wasin his office, with his family, looking at data on the maps...when the crew doing a mutinery entered with the help of the first officer, took everyone out, thorw them at see with the tools and all, extemp and all, then they are starting to drink to celebrate, they took to much ,started to cause shit, as the alchohol part of ti lost all over, fighting all over, to try to be the boss or new capt, turns out they all kill each other and threw the body at sea, in the end the 2 last fighting ended up falling off the boat to drunk ot finght properly....
Again its just an idea.
there are alot of good theories but the fact remains we really will never know what happened
that is an amazing story,ive heard it before being from new england,but not that good of an article
Yes this is one of those delicious mysteries that have you wondering. I do believe that all the life boats were accounted for and that there had been meals set out and untouched.
Many theories have been ruled out by evidence. But I wonder what our scientific technology would say today if the ship was around for it to be examined.
My belief is that they all abanded the ship beliving that it was sinking. There has been many stories of ppl abanding boats believing it was sinking but it ended up not.
I also heard that it could of been pirates but if so why was everything untouched. I believe all the meals where hot still when they boarded the ship.
I am not sure but was this the ship that vanished from sight whilst under tow???
great post i thought this was another hollywood version of this fabled ship, yet I was suprised and intrigued. many suggest that the celest was done by pirates. Yet pirates would have seized the ship cargo and anything that was worth value, yet the ship remained. huh an inigma in itsself. but i shall say pirates for right now tell i read more.
I would have done a bit further studies with this story...The Flying Dutchman is in this story...Find it, and you will find your answer.
The flying dutchman is probably the most common of the ghost ships with more of a lure or fable. but true accounts that have not been explained are what drives us to find the answer. for we fear what we yet do not know.
Thanks Everybody for your support in this story/mystery. Sorry but myself say no to pirates or at least something would have been stolen! Maybe..dare i say it..time warp!!
If i find another story with just as much intrigue i'll be sure to post it:)
There are so many things that could happen at see that we could come up with a few things that could have happen..good story.
i think at some point the captain turned to the first mate and said "But i thought you were staying on board to look after the ship whilst we were out partying!"
I should have been pirates.
but i've also been thinking while reading this that it wasnt since you're so certain.
you know how people are always discovering new islands?
well maybe they were taken by natives of an unknown island and, since tribes dont need money and most likely don't know what alcohol is, only took the people for human sacrifices :)
i would think that would be a cool story..
kinda like king kong or something.
it is possible that something caused a affliction that drove the entire vessel insane and in of the crew became insane while carrying the missing items and they all jumped overboard not knowingly commited suicide by drowning.
I thought they lifeboats to still be all accounted for and dinner set even reported to still be warm and that no one could figure out why if dinner was set and nothing but the people were missing what had happened to them at all.
Many of these types of stories have happened whole villages of people disappear in the middle of doing their daily chores or eating the Mary Celeste will remain a mystery forever. Whatever the reasons they disapaired.......
There are many mysterious that surround this legend. I've heard tales where the dinner ware was still out and the boat appeared calm with everything eerily in place. Then of course comes the stories of a worn down ship littered with blood and weapons from a nasty battle.
I do not know what to believe at all when it comes to this ship.
From what I have read from the mystery of the Mary Celeste was that all the lifeboats were accounted for, the food was warm when the others boarded the ship and that food was still cooking in the kitchen. It was as if they all vanished once the boat was boarded. I great mystery for sure.
I personally think it's best to ignore the later rumors that sprang up around this mystery and stick the the facts that came out immediatley following the 'incident'. There is where you will get the most correct detail. It's like that quote from Sherlock Holmes..'when you have iliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth', be it time warps or ufo's in this case!!
i think it could have been pirates at my best guess someone was hired to do the killing maybe for revenge or something like that. the pirates were problay bribed to a point that no money or jewerly needed to be taken in the first place.
I feel it is one of those Mysteries that will not ever be figured out . I which we could though because it is very strange how the ship was found..
Ockham's razor
The ship was infamously known to be cursed, and the name of the ship was changed to hide this detail when it was purchased at a fraction of the cost. sailors, who are traditionally superstitious probably freaked and abandoned ship at the first sign of an omen after it became known that the Marie Celeste was cursed (the curse was that it rammed several ships I believe, so perhaps they saw a ghost ship in a fog and jumped overboard instead of ramming or being rammed by a fog bank.)
Apparently when the ship was examined there were notches found cut into the side. One theory is that the captain had commissioned a viewing platform to be constructed for his daughter, and at some point everyone on the ship crowded onto this platform - possibly to look at something in the water - and it gave way under their combined weight. That would explain how everything was just left in the ship.
Also, the sails were set for a different course to what the ship was found on. I'm not a mariner so I don't know what this means exactly, but it's bound to have some significance.
No captain would abandon ship in that situation. If the ship did indeed have a small leak, as most do all the time anyway, and the pump(s) were out of comission and unrepairable they would have simply posted a crewman or two as a bilge bucket brigade.
Wow has seen some shows on this Mystery on the History channel but i had no idea it was this intense thanks for sharing i enjoyed knowing this story went even deeper made it much more interesting then the tv show
This is one of those subjects that will never be explained but will remain a topic of discussion over and over..... I don't think we'll ever really know what happened but I personally think that something happened to the crew and captain and any other passengers.... What, I have yet to decide on...... but that it left the ship in good shape but lifeless....
Wow, i never dreamed this mystery would be the topic of so much so debate, again thanks to everybody for contributing so much to this.
By the way, i've found the next story/mystery to post, still researching..... Should be in by the end of the weekend:)
Speculation
Dozens of theories have been proposed to explain the mystery, ranging from the mundane and plausible to the fantastic.
The most plausible theories are based on the barrels of alcohol. Briggs had never hauled such a dangerous cargo before and did not trust it. Nine leaking barrels would have caused a buildup of vapor in the hold. Historian Conrad Byers believed that Captain Briggs ordered the hold to be opened, resulting in a violent rush of fumes and then steam. Believing the ship was about to explode, Briggs ordered everyone into the lifeboat, in his haste, failing to properly secure the lifeboat to the ship with a strong towline. The wind picked up and blew the ship away from them. The occupants of the lifeboat either drowned or drifted out to sea to die of hunger, thirst and exposure.
A refinement of this theory was proposed in 2005 by German historian Eigel Wiese. At his suggestion, scientists at University College London created a crude reconstruction of the ship's hold to test the theory of the alcohol vapor's ignition. Using butane as the fuel and paper cubes as the barrels, the hold was sealed and the vapor ignited. The force of the explosion blew the hold doors open and shook the scale model, which was about the size of a coffin. Ethanol burns at a relatively low temperature with a flash point of 13°C or 55.4°F. A minimal spark is needed, for example from two metal objects rubbing together. None of the paper cubes were damaged, nor even left with scorch marks. This theory may explain the remaining cargo found intact and the fracture on the ship's rail, possibly by one of the hold doors. This burning in the hold would have been violent and perhaps enough to scare the crew into lowering the boat, but the flames would not have been hot enough to have left burn marks. A frayed rope trailing in the water behind the boat is suggested to be evidence that the crew remained attached to the ship hoping that the emergency would pass. The ship was abandoned while under full sail and a storm was recorded shortly after. It is possible that the rope to the lifeboat parted because of the force from the ship under full sail. A small boat in a storm would not have fared as well as the Mary Celeste.
Some people theorize that the alcohol was to blame, but for a different reason. They believe that the crew tried to break into the hold to drink the alcohol, murdered Captain Briggs in the process, and later stole a lifeboat.
Another theory has suggested there was a mutiny among the crew who murdered a tyrannical Briggs and his family, then escaped in the lifeboat. However, Briggs had no history to suggest he was the type of captain to provoke his crew to mutiny. First Mate Albert Richardson and the rest of the crew also had excellent reputations.
An alternate scenario has the ship encountering a waterspout, a tornado-like storm with a funnel cloud that occurs at sea. In such a case, it is suggested, the water surrounding the boat may, in being sucked upwards, have given the impression that the Mary Celeste was sinking. It would explain why the Mary Celeste was soaking wet when discovered by the crew of the Dei Gratia, and a mass panic amongst the crew during such an occasion would probably explain the scratched railing, and the broken compass found on the Mary Celeste, as well as the missing lifeboat. A further theory is that a seaquake panicked the crew into abandoning ship.
However, mariners generally agree that abandoning ship is an extreme measure.
Yet another theory supposes a case of ergotism derived from bread aboard the ship which could have led all its occupants to throw themselves overboard. However, the sailors from the Dei Gratia were not affected.
Brian Hicks and Stanley Spicer in recent books revived the entirely plausible theory that Captain Briggs opened the hold to ventilate it while becalmed. The release of noxious alcoholic fumes from the hold might have panicked the captain and crew into abandoning ship for the yawl, tied to the halyard by an inadequate rope. If this broke with a weather change and consequent wind it could easily have explained the sudden and mysterious exit from the ship.
One of the more popular theories at the time of the event was also that a sea monster or creature could have came on board and killed/taken the crew.
Another popular theory is that the Mary Celeste may have come across a mysterious island pushed up by an earthquake, and the crew and passengers went ashore to investigate – only for the island to disappear beneath the waves once more, taking them with it to their deaths
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Celeste
i have heard of this before and from what i know and what i see, this will always remain a mystery. no bodies were ever found and the ship was in excellent shape when it was found afloat. and no real damage done to show any struggles at all... so this will always remain a mystery to me.
Wow-the story of the Marie Celeste is one of my favorites to mull over. I didn't know, however, of some of these theories.
My understanding was that she was found in pristine condition with all lifeboats and that she was taken under tow by the ones who found her, only to be lost again...and then found again if memory serves me correctly.
Off to research that one-lol.
Wow-it's interesting what all has been found regarding this ship.
I find it hard to believe a captain in his fourth command would have left the ship so precipitously...
Perhaps I just want the mystery to continue-lol
The only thing we can do is the best educated guess using all the facts to hand, and seperating mere speculation from solid proof....unless we get a TARDIS lol
I think some form of madness took the crew possily from a disease
the only thing i've heard of this is that there was a pestilance of some sort aboard and the crew became disease ridden and delirious
both times.
But wouldn't that be indicated by the beds being messed up, any medicine stores raided etc as they fell ill.........
Wow, this surprised me, seeing this theard back up top lo Thanks for all the discussion and theories.
As for you would know except for those who experienced it, has anybody consulted any physic's??
i think something else was going on the ship at the time and whatever it was that took over the ship at that time made the captian and crew abondon ship and leave everything behind.
i agree with the person above but whatever happened it wasn;t good
I dont have a clue of what could have happened it thes sea many things could have happened one more stranger than the next
Looking into this Topic and back at the Age of time then...the america's were young at the time and england and spain ruled the seas..with America's fast growth why not make a ghost ship to scare them off the water's.. after all how many potential sailors did the flying dutchman scare off the seas?
I've heard of the ship but never knew what happened to it. WOW, great post.
Wensala just took the words out of my mouth.
Something very real and 'normal' is what happened to the crew; however, the aura of the mysterious and supernatural haunts the whole ship and story over the years.
Well, now you have lol
I know there must must be some sort of a decent explaination for what happened but i can't figure out what!?
out on the sea, there are WAY too many factors that effect everything.. i've seen crazy animals (some would say monsters!) out on the open water.. and fog that seemed to seep into your bones.. clouds on the water that turned day to night, dead bodies FAR out at sea (where the hell does a body come from when it's floating 1500 miles out?), fire on the water (don't ask me to explain, cuz i don't know, i just saw it), and other crazy ass shi that neither I nor anyone else could explain to my satisfaction... in the 7 years (off and on) I was a commercial fisherman, there was only one thing I was certain of.. noone knows anything about the sea for certain... anything could be out there, and we would have no REAL idea...
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I would say my top to thoughts on this would be Cabin Fever and perhaps the finding Captains cooked up plan to get the cargo..."legally".
Very interesting thread and till this day no one know's but i did research awhile ago on this as my last name is briggs thought maybe could have been ancestor's...LOL
I think they got caught up in a huge wave and it brought everyone over board problay during a nasty storm as it is alway natually happening at that time in that area of the world.
hey were atr the links about this story....
i no i can probley put in the story name and get it but ive had threads deleted because there no links to the discusions
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