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This goes a little far and beyond, but can one or a group of people create a ghost? As in focus all their energy and bring forth a collected spirit? If so, how much would that spirit be able to do?

Yes we can and yes I do it is a theatric talent. Projection and tales are imployed to create urban ledgens all the time. I suggest googling Tina Reschs Poltergeist, she made a geist all her own, so good it was one of the most studied and covered para behavioral case on record. Ghost Craft has been around since the late eighteen hundreds some say even castles had rigging. A church in Mexico has a "reflector" that routes light to project a "specter" above a number of relics.

To clarify, what I meant by "creating a ghost" is releasing a part of your spirit out into the physical world (that would resemble a "ghost"), while the host of that once owned spirit is fully alive and functioning in the real world.

One person, or a group of people to make this easier as a collective spirit..

producing ghost is a fun hobby and, think about this, what spooks a person that rigs houses and makes apparitions. By doing so I have a stiller view of what to look for outside chicanery and props, yet I know that advance levels of haunters are out there still operating making ghost in bed and breakfast, So I say Positivally we can make any of the types of ghost. I have a craft posted in my journal for an apparition.

Personally I would say no.

I have heard of people who claim to be able to project thought forms, though I have never seen one.

Caustic, I thought you were asking something different, which I will pose here, but if you don't want the thread to go off in another direction, I'll post a separate thread.

We're all going to die. Could an individual or a group practice together with the intention of themselves coming back as ghosts?

What kind of will, practice or focused energy would that take?

Is a group helpful? Maybe autopilot is better.

I don't think so.

To me a ghost is a left over imprint of a departed spirit.

Therefore [in my opinion] if a ghost were to be created using a bit of a few peoples souls, it would be recieving too many signals from said people.

I remember a similar thread discussing a group in Canada that not only 'created' a ghost (what they believe was actually a manifestation of their own psychic energy) but gave it enough 'power' that it could levitate the table, answer questions in what was perceived as independent and developed a personality during sessions.

The resultant 'ghost' was to them, a repeatable experiment that even took place with an audience for some of the sessions if memory serves.

If we let go of the limited definition of ghosts anything is possible, even crafting one. I challenge anybody to see how easy it is to act like a poltergeist when nobody is looking directly in your direction. I invite people to be creative in the tales they create around their ghost, Don't wait for a ghost to be, be a ghost. trial and error. then as you act as a ghost you are more likely to understand what ghost are limited to, is peoples imagination. We want to see ghost activity but we want to see it the way others testify they see it. That is the tendency for people to seek to be entertained rather then to entertain. So if you except the challenge please let me know how much fun you had.

I know you can invoke a spirit, meaning spiritually call an already-existing one to a place....but to create one fully? It seems kind of doubtful to me. But since we don't know the true origin of ghosts, maybe it can be done.

Here's the story I had remembered and tracked down:

In the 1970s, a psychical research group "invented" a spirit named Philip. To their astonishment, Philip actually made contact with them through a host of incredible psychokinetic phenomena

Ghost to me is a mindless energy signature.....Spirit has a mind and cannot be forced to 'attend'.

The interesting thing about Felix's post is the fact that a clear line can be seen to be drawn between psychic and spiritual.

They really are quite different.

Any thing is possible with such people as these... it takes very little imagination and simple craft to create something ghostlike. the rest is up to the audience.

http://skepdic.com/truebeliever.html

And then there's the Seth books

I dont think people can "Make" a ghost. Not unless you kill someone. Im not sure what to say here.

Well the definition of a ghost is a spirit, soul or apparition of a dead person. Key word being "dead". I'm going to have to say no on this one. Now if you changed ghost to another form then maybe......

I think the thread is still where it's meant to be, but no Bloodmother, what you've asked is completely different then what I asked.

I'm talking about a living person or a group of people creating a ghost or spirit (practically the same thing) while still completely alive and functioning.

By static imagination and an applicable definition of ghost it is posssible to craft a ghost, Apparition, Geist, or even a possessive spirit. Tina Resch produced her own poltergeist so well that experts in several fields where called in to investigate. The Rusty Nail Society has been around for years( they "haunt" houses with theatric rigging) a tale is usualy crafted around the effects, example the children that died in this house back when it was an orphanage, would run to the living room when the door would open at night to see who was visiting. It is said that every once and a while if it is late at night and you open the door you can hear them running down the halls up stairs..." the effect is a sequence of "hammers/knockers" or a rolling ball bearing in a notched trough.

There are plenty of slight of house tricks to stir peoples imagination, if you can tap that you can create a ghost, or something that they believe to be a ghost, or ghost activity.

Isuppose that creating a ghost with one or more people can have some type of spiritual or phychological impact in and around places that people go too

If the spirit moves on how would there be a ghost left behind?

Anywho, I think that ghosts are only able to be created by someones living existence coming to a close; leaving an imprint of their life behind.

Let me just say that a "ghost" or a "spirit" has nothing to do with death whatsoever. It has nothing to do with "the host dieing and leaving behind a spirit". On the contrary, a spirit is a living thing. A spirit is life, it is all around you and within you.

An Apparition at the window- uses a craft painting glow-in the dark paint or black light paint if you want a fading effect. a combination of application to the window and the a sheer curtain in a distant window or reflected from a hidden window to a structure visible from your departing guest, or arriving guest.

For poltergeist activity rehersels are helpful., usually two people working together make a poltergeist sneaker, there are two types of general activity for geist, Near and distant. when one is active the other is waiting for a cue.

setting items for activity a few unstable items can be set to fall with tremors, these provide initial witnesses to perk up, usually if a host is surprised or explainative with a preconcocted dismissal or simple tale of "how we thinjk there is a ghost here..."

Or if nobody responds it can be followed by a tug effect. this is done with slack carpets setting of more unstable perched items. a heavy book shelve can be made to appear to have slammed against the wall with all the books jumping of the shelf. spirit thread can be used to unplugg appliences a room can be rigged with a secondary switch, I have a friend who wires his guest house with remote. a real thrill because the house is antique. Pictures (use old ones, with plastic surfaces, or candy glass. can be made to fall off with with extension sticks from a skillfully concelled blind spot. The trick is to not call attention to what you are doing but what the ghost has done.

dabbler, forgive me, but I'm reading your posts as you practically saying this idea is completely man-made and artificial. Correct me if I'm wrong..

This thread has nothing to do with cute little tricks and illusions, I'm talking about creating a real ghost.

how would you know it was created, the same question that arouse from the catching a ghost challenge (Made to update archives for ghost craft) those illusions and craft account for 99.99 percent of ghost sitings. people would be embarrased to know that five of the houses the TAPS has been to and actually filmed something are registered with the Society of the Rusty Nail.

I'm not talking from the audience's perspective, I'm talking about first person. Could YOU possibly muster up a spirit that can be seen, heard, or even felt in the real world? Not could you make some trick and let people judge..

if your imagination can cause a light in the distance to think you saw a ghost then you have just partialy created a ghost. The imagination is a powerful thing., without stimulation. with stimulation it is capable of things far beyond or grasp. wanting to see soething is likely to effect ones perception. If ghost were as prevelent as some would have us believe we would as humans be very disturbed by their presence.

So you are really asking about astral projection...well i have personally failed at doing so but others have came to me... I've even felt them in the form of warmth and coolness. with your eyes closed its like they are right there.... I've heard some people can actually see them.


Ghosts are ghosts.... not sure if they are real but some say it's the same thing as a angel or demon just a matter of opinion where I believe angels and demons to be different some don't.... I think ghosts are just lost souls... not made of living peoples energy.

perhaps you would be refering to RSPK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telekinesis

something I am still not able to rule out and like to think carries more clout then material spirits being able to (yet some how limited) interact with this world in any way.

Because if ghost did exist as material interactive entities creating one collectivly or other wise would be less then possibly and nearly unmeasurable.

Your question asks if we can create a ghost using the energies of several people.

This sonlds more like a saonce, where energies are used to summon a spirit to this world for some for of interaction. Once the saonce is completed, the spirit returns to its origin.

A ghost would be a different story. They manifest from their own energy sources, usually emotional from their past. They do not require outside energy to exist, though they may be affected by outside energy.

So I would say that a group could not create a ghost.

a servitor would be one you make and Philip was a collective focus and something came through for them and was recorded.
The debate for me is not can you make a ghost but what do you make that acts like a ghost if your talking the Philip ghost phenonimum.
As posted on the thread already.

"producing ghost is a fun hobby"-----now that sounds like a carnival trick to me. Something very definiately there to fool and manipulate people with.

caustic > I think we should make clear what you mean for the purpose of this question.

Are you talking about people in the flesh making a ghost/spirit from their own spirit ?

Well in the book Blackwood farm by Anne Rice the character Quinn had a Doppelganger (ghostly image of himself) could this be the result of energy

Creating a ghost with several spirits in one? Kinda like when Cobra created Serpentor...only he wasn't a ghost...but it's the same concept. I think it's possible.

If a group of people concentrated hard enough they could probably do any thing with their energy including making a ghost. =)

I agree...creating a ghost is not a fun hobby. Sounds more like something from the movies.

Am a little confused on this thread still.. seems as though there are two different discussions. The first one sounding as though you are referring to astral projection.. and the other of summoning spirits to appear. Will come back I think.

http://nostradamus.time-loops.net/Experiment_Philip.htm

The Philip experiment I think is the most famous of people creating a ghost that was actually able to do quite a bit including moving furniture around.

Now I"M unsure if I understood the question...please clear it up.

I remain skeptic but if ghosts are part of what we dream, then maybe it is possible you could create one with your imagination.

Dis Embodied souls, are far from ghost, or spirits.

So what need have we for creating a soul?

zeitgeist defined is the spirit of the times, so yea we can raise a spirit, a spirit of vengance, a spirit of comfort, a magician once created an apparition(voice) to get a serial killer to give up his dumping ground.

Breaking the types of ghost down I think that peoples imagination create ghost all the time, why believe you are a klutz? Blame it on a ghost ( goodness forbid you should be accused of making it up, that is Para Behavoir and if you are so fixed on para normal then welcome to my world the para behavioral world. Where anything is likely to appear to be as someone believes it to be. Even projecting it.

if one third of the "para Normal" or unexplained phenomena existed we as a living people would be disturbed so much. Why would we want to make ghost?

We can get together any time with a spirit of entertainment, a party ghost is my favorite type of ghost.

There's one failproof way to make a ghost, but it involves murdering one of your friends. I wouldn't suggest it.

Nah, I really haven't thought about this concept. I guess it could be possible, but I'd have to do a bit of research before coming to any sort of conclusion.

Para-behavioral phenomena, behavior that exist outside a persons conscious, or repressed conscious, often found in subconscious manifestations. Example;

a subject is a klutz, or spontaneously destructive, usually they do it in private, so they create a tag line to such common events " It must be a poltergeist' then they realize they have people attention, perhaps another person sees this as an oppirtunity to act out as well. and goes with the spirit of things, the para behavior of the original person is bolstered by the "mysterious" activity that they are no longer doing, The Phil Experiment shows this on the surface what lies deeper in the minds potential is far more phenomenal then the obsession over bumps in the night to me. we all want to be astonished and entertained, even by things that scare use. Yet when we attach it to such things as faith. well then What is a great mystery if the clues spell out the ending exactly in each chapter. I like foreshadowing but I don't care for spoilers. So if something appears to be "haunted" think motive and you can find your ghost.

really i think the only way you could create a ghost is to kill someone... then reserect there spirit.... but i dont think you can create a ghost out of thin air.

I dont think anyone could just make a ghost out of spiritual energy. Having to be able to push your spiritual energy out in the open would probably feed another spirit.. but creating another I believe is impossible. I believe spirits are of people who have past away or angels/devils kinda thing.

Well I personally think that someone or even a group cannot create a ghost.

Yea they can summon a spirit etc. but I don't think that they can create one because creating a ghost would be making a ghost of someone that has passed. I don't think that you can make a ghost of someone if there isn't anyone that the ghost belongs to.

If that makes any sense.

hmm, I'm not sure about sending a part of your spirit out in a "ghost-like" form.
But, I think its possible to raise spirits of the past, ancestors, those passed on...I'd say that seems more likely.

i wouldn't believe that it would be possible to create a spirit as a ghost is a spirit, per se. we are not given the tools to create life like that.

i don't work that magick dabbler......i have no idea what it would take to create a ghost.

you said you wanted to spook the kids.. haha A family that haunts together is more likely to "connect" from the "other side" . Imagining a world filled with disimbodied spirits I think we would be very disturbed by such a thing. people create things that pass for ghost all the time. if 1% is a real ghost then it is sadly buried under so many hoaxes that people insist are real, so to those people they are convinced it is a ghost, believe me you cannot make a person not believe in ghost. Oce they determine that they except something to be attached to their faith they will not let go, even to except a less yet just as potential assuring after life scenerio.

Create a spirit, I don't think so, a spirit or ghost is a life force, I don't think at our current state we have the ability to create life, but who really knows.

Make a ghost, I do not think this could nor would any one group nor person have that kind of power if they could.

I think the term ghost is throwing people off. Most people think of a ghost as the essence of someone that lived before. Caustic, I believe, is speaking of the essence of one or many that are currently living. Hmmm... Do I think this is possible? That's hard to say. I like to be open to the possibility of anything (which I've said many times before) so I don't want to say no. I believe it would be easier the more people involved. Also, they would have to have stellar abilities where meditation was concerned. I'm not sure such a creation could have much power because would there really be any intelligence within a form that's nothing but energy? Perhaps if the group were to "will" it to do something, such as move an object, it could. I just don't think it could do it on its own. Again, this would require great talent from the people involved in such a thing.

I just don't know. It would be hard, if possible at all.

What purpose would be served by creating a ghost?
How would one measure or confirm that a ghost was indeed 'created".

Would the criteria for creating a ghost be limited to apparition, to geist, or possessive spirit?

Would a created ghost have human characteristics?

What purpose would be served by creating a ghost?
How would one measure or confirm that a ghost was indeed 'created".

Would the criteria for creating a ghost be limited to apparition, to geist, or possessive spirit?

Would a created ghost have human characteristics?

Again, the term ghost is muddling the answers to this particular inquiry.

You can't create a ghost. You can't create the spirit of a deceased person from nothing. You could summon a ghost. Ghosts supposedly use energy to form (that's where batteries get drained, right?). If enough people were giving freely of their energy then it would be possible for a ghost to take form using said energy.

Now as for a form of energy created by someone else (or a group of people), then I would say it would have whatever form that was projected upon it by those that were producing it.

I can see why this thread was abandoned by its creater it is very misunderstood by most of the people that have replied.

sometimes the loosey-goosey question inspires even more questions. Dabbler and Theta have some really good ones.

It seems like we're talking about a group of expert astral projectors (sounds nasty) merging whatever "it" is that gets projected: your soul, essence, the detached ego, and creating an astral Golem.

If this could be done, could it be controlled?

Would the projectors get their astral parts back?

While reading this post I think you may be thinking about astro projection.

It's like when your body seems to "fall" asleep and your spirit will walk out of your body in doing it right and you can walk around as your spirit but I don't think you can touch anything. I have heard about it but never tried it. On the hit show Charmed Prue could do this.

I'm going to risk my own thread when I say this, as it won't be fair of me to post this anywhere else.

dabbler - STOP spamming each and every thread you see within the Forum. I don't know about anyone here, but all I see from you is a whole bunch of nothing. Not only are your posts barely understandable, but you don't even read what anyone has to say. This thread is NOT what you're going on and on about.

I've made this crystal clear several times.

An individual, or a group of people creating a ghost (or a spirit or energy or anything of that sort) that can move, lift objects, or even make sounds.

Is that possible, and how so?

There is no projections involved here, no summoning or reviving of people or demons. It's simply a person or people giving off enough energy into a direct location, creating a ghost.

I see there being two ways of creating a spirit, one is as many have said, compine a projection of energy of the group to make a sudo-ghost, a temperary creation.
The other is to give part of ones self in its creation, making a permenet creation.
I have experienced the second and would not recomend it.

So if you did such a thing as focus" ch"i like energy, as a group or individually, until some random disturbance happened I would imagine that a person would assume they created a ghost. I simple apply deductive topics to help narrow the scope of possibilities.

creating a ghost, yes u can
and they usually come through only three times a year, Christmas eve, halloween and easter, but theres other portals and door ways,
My friend bought cemetary gates and put them in their yard and they now get spirits and orbs of adults and children

i do not believe that it is possible because if the spirit does not want to be a ghost then it would not exist as a ghost

I have never heard of this, But I do find it very interesting. Although I do believe that there is always the possiblity

I believe that it is possibel to conjure a spirit. But i dont think it would be able to do much unless bidded to do so.

no i dont see how you can create a ghost

I do not think that you can make a ghost, for the fact that it is in some way someones old life energy.

Ghosts are from the dead ... not from the living. I believe that energy can be passed through a room or something and thought to be a ghost, but it would not be.

You can't make ghosts

I think you could maybe call one while you were making one, and that might make you think you made one.

Eh, not sure why someone would want to. I mean if said ghost was unfriendly or got pissed at you, who do you think its gonna mess with first?

Mhmm, I don't recommend disturbing the dead.

I shouldn't have thought it possible after all a ghost is the spirit of a departed, so I cant see how it would work, and if it is possible I would have thought it foolish to mess with the dead.

Golum -


And what 'stuff' would that be?

We as a collective world create zeitigheist there a zetiticgeist created in the static realm.

i don't know if a ghost can be created. i've always thought that ghosts are spirits of the dead.

Also, short and to the point, Craig =P

I've never liked mediums. I agree, they give vague answers that fit everyone and everything and say nothing.

Without a solid, widely agreed to definition, you could not have concensus that you created a ghost.

If we think about it, believing in a ghost carries a great deal of baggage. If we believe a ghost is a leftover life force, that means we believe that life force exists after death. An immortal soul perhaps. If you believe that the life force didn't pass, that means that there is somewhere to pass to. Heaven or hell perhaps? Somewhere else? Waiting to be re-incarnated? Waiting to just drift away and disolve?

So if a ghost is a life force, to create one would mean we would create life. We certainly can create life, that is how we procreate, but that isn't really the same as creating a ghost.

If by trying to create a ghost we end up summoning something we believe to be a ghost, that really isn't creating one.

I don't see it as possible to create a ghost.

unless they have secretly obtained information from you then they can appear to be exact, doing such things among friends is fine in a parlor setting. I find that getting a person to attend parlor after mourning, assures them that the person they mourned left an impression upon everyone in that sense seances serve a purpose. as entertainment to spook others as well. So to create a "ghost" for the wrong reasons. As opposed to utility, grief management, entertainment. I think it is possible to use collective memorance to link a shared "presence of a person, each present casting something that others in a circle had only gleaned is a whole in a group of parts.

I think that a group could possibly "pool" their energy and project it to create a spirit / energy manifestation.

Whether or not it is a "ghost" or not is up to how you define "Ghost". I consider a "Ghost" to be the remenants of a living singular being. Therefore, in my mind the manufestation that would be created would not be a "Ghost"/

I gotta say pewp to this...but it does sound very interesting to try. I love the idea of ghosts, but don't put as much stock in that idea as I do certain smells triggering memories or incidents with coincidence making one believe that they are experiencing a ghost.

No, I don't believe this could be done at all. This idea is just a little to far fetched. Sure I think many could group their energy together & control it, but a ghost, no way.

Tina Resch made a good ghost, to stop herself from being abused.. when the family found out they could get attention from it they showed the media their ghost..

I think this thread has served it's purpose.

The answers will generally be the same, so I'm RIP'ing this.