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I am a young vampyre. But besides admitting to it here on VR where I know we are all always safe to express ourselves, I don't really walk around bragging about it.

Recently I have been chatting to a member who exclaims he will tell anyone willing to listen- whether it be friends, family, or random strangers on the street.

Now, no one should ever HAVE to hide their true selves. But in my opinion, today's society is not ready to know that vampyres- and lycans/ wiccans for that matter, actually exist.

I have only told my truest and best friend, whom I would trust my life with.

But what are YOUR experiences? Have you told anyone, or are you waiting for that moment? Do you brag about it?

I hide it from everyone but those i feel will not persecute me.

I feel that now,more than at any other time,people not only WANT to hear that someone might be a Vampire,they want to be one too!

Where I live anything out of the so called... "norm"... is to be kept to ones self. Believe me one would be ostracized in a heartbeat.

i agree i do not feel people are ready to accept and try to intergrate with this society,i believe if i went about bragging and confiding to everyone i would find myself in a mental asylum in no shorter than a day.

I'm something........else with respect for all things except negativity. Have I revealed myself? possibly on my profile. LOL

My closest friends now but not my family. They are all strict Christians so telling them would only cause issues that I do not want to have to deal with.

I let people conclude whatever they like about me. Some days I'm in jeans and teeshirts so I highly doubt people realize anything about me. Other than my gauges and visible tattoos.

Then other days I'm in more "predictable" attire that might let people in on who I am. Including my fitted fangs. No matter what I'm always equipped with my pentagram and thor's hammer necklaces.

I think public knowledge and acceptance of the occult is slightly better than its been in the past. Still for some, whether it be location or family, it might not be safe for them to be outted for who/what they are.

I was one of the first ones in my hometown, a small rural area in upstate new york, to come out as a pagan. And a bisexual girl. I went through some crap at school but I'd rather be able to feel self pride instead of hiding.

Its been ten years since then and now I live in a much bigger city. If someone has the guts to say something to me or ask me about it then I'll tell them.

I dont post it on my forehead either. Lol.

I agree with Oceanne on this one.
There was a time not so long ago when this very conversation (even between friends) was heresy at best and thus so risky than none of us would have had it, much less come out publicly about what we are.

They use to torture and burn folks like us alive!!

In todays climate people might laugh and tease you about what you are... but doubt much else. The days of Slayers and being hunted are fading and exposing yourself is for the most part a risk of the emotional and egotistical kind.

I will say it's nice to finnally have the choice tho!!

As far as vampirism, my best friend knows... cause she's one to.

But as far as things outside the norm.... Im so far out of that, geesh people would really hate me. But once Im outta this town in a year, I dont have to worry (hopefully) about protecting who I am vs. hiding it.

I agree this is not something you'd tell everyone, especially older family members, people who are religious, co-workers and certain others. my Gothic friends know, and others in the pagan community, but not my family or other bar buddies.

It's a very personal thing. You have to know just how much you're willing to go up against and how strong you are to just go galavanting around throwing your personal life around as if it was a joke. Then again, if you truly are what you claim to be, there can be reprocussions from your own kind.

So, given the risks, you either have to be very stupid or very powerful if you're telling the truth.

It's something I weigh each time. Is this person a possible threat? Can they be trusted, or silenced if I tell them?

So far I've been very lucky, but one day, who knows?

Okay, so we all agree. Should this person be stopped, or get a wakeup call?

Should we as vampyres and other creatures of the night wear a secret something to let others of the same nature know who we are, like a pendant? Or leave it to suspicion?

Your coven decides all of that. If you're going to have a sign, and what it is. If he's going to be stopped it's up to them. If he's on his own, then it's at his own risk.

Your sire should have outlined that.

Not trying to be mean. It's just the truth. It really is up to them. :)

I'm not sure if people in this country who can't even accept gays, could wrap their head around vampires

im very very newly awakened. and im getting my head around this myself, i wouldnt tell me friends, i already get the whole 'why are you always on a damn vampire site, do u actually believe they exist... so i know how that would go if i even attemtped to tell them...

to me personally, i share with you guys, but i wouldnt share with ppl in my world. they are small minded and would take the piss out of me for even attempting to explain

My father use to say "The Universe is a series of random circumstances, and your life is the sum of those circumstances you choose to stick with."

Lifes choices really are about trading one set of circumstances for another more exceptable set of circumstances!!
So when members of our community say things like "Oh People wouldn't understand me" -or- "the hassle isn't worth it" what I hear is a set of circumstances you have chosen to stick with.

If you have chosen to surround yourself with people who you can't trust with the truth, with those who would never except you, if you ultimately force yourself to stay veiled to appease them, then you alone have selected that path... Deal with your choices or change them.

irrespective of twhat they're hidiong, people Need to hise their true aspect, for fear of their differences being 'outed'.

My husband and I have always been into vampires / werewolves and such but me a little more than him. He has thought I was a little stranger than most women, but has always loved me for my individuality. Until recently upon publication of my book, he has supported but not to the full extent that he has now.

With that said, he's actually been getting into more gothic things such as; decor, clothing, accessories, etc. and he's loving it. I'm enjoying seeing the new him.

;)

By the way, my sister in law would freak if she saw us on here. She's recently become very religious, and has in a sense damned us since my book came out.

Regardless, we are comfortable in our views on life, whether we decide to share or express them with friends or not.

too much predudice realtime.
hence the masks many use.

i am the same way. I hide my true self from most people, not because I am afraid of being labeled an outcast or anything (psh, please, ive been an outcast my whole life) but more because they wouldnt understand anyway.

I do wish I could tell my boyfriend though. perhaps one day.

any thoughts?

starr

I think one of the problems is when someone feels an awakening there's a natural excitement to share with others. The experience for many is very exhilarating. However, people need to temper their enthusiasm with wisdom.

I tend to gage anyone that gets close to me as to whether or not they would be accepting of who and what I am. My wicca I share with all my friends, but the vampirism I only share with those I feel will be understanding and open minded. Last but not least I only share with those that have discretion and can be trusted.

Well for me unless they already have such an interest I don't bring it up.

Look, no one is going to just walk up to a stranger on the street and say "Hi, I'm a Vampire".
Although it might actually be easier to do with a complete stranger than say your mother or your husband.

Why??
Because there's no backlash, and that is who we are really talking about in this thread. We are talking about opening up to those closest to us.
OK we get it, it's a very complex and delectate situation to handle but trust me you need to share this with them. At some point you will have to have enough faith, trust, and comfort with who and what you are to share that realization with those you want to have a lasting relationship with.
Don't kid yourself there will come a time when the truth regarding your vampirism will come to light... it always does. And when it does they will feel betrayed and alienated by your deceit... not your Vampirism. Your Vampirism will no longer be the third rail you think it is now, it will be just a compounding factor.
What you are likely to find is that they could have lived with what you told them, but what they can't live with is the fact that you lied to them about it... hid such a thing from them. The idea that you couldn't trust them and so you decided to live a lie is so corrosive that some people can't ever get past it.

My point is that in the end sharing who and what you are is an unavoidable fact if you are to ever truly be loved and excepted for you.

Aye I agree that at some point of ones life ye must come out with the truth because ultimatly it shall catch up with you but it is not always that simple.

For example I am a mother and though I raise my child as I deem it who's to say that some unknown person or perhaps even someone of my own family would not think me an unfit mother? My brother and sister who I am very close with know what I am as I know them but beyond that our family dosna know. I refuse to share such information with them because I do not know how they shall react. I have been chastised since I was a child for my manner of speach,my thoughs and beliefs and I am fairly certain should I bring up the topic of my vampirism they would deem me mad and claim me an unfit mother which is far from the case!

The problem with society is they shun whatever is not there norm. They fear what they do not know or understand. Yes perhaps the times of slaying has gone but the predjudice of man has far from wained. They may not come with stakes and swords but they come none the less. They question your sanity ,and ultimatly would make ye wish ye were staked. Such is the sad reality

Most don't know themselves well enough to know who they truly are; most wouldn't dare allow such intense self-scrutiny to be truthful for good or ill... no accept the personal responsibility that comes with true self improvement and progression in life. As a result, rather than have to perform the work such efforts require, most instead try to hide the truth and forego the personal self-knowledge by donning masks that reflect who they think others will find more attractive, more intriguing, more seductive... more powerful.

For some, this translates into a search for materialistic goods (expensive clothing, latest trends and fads, flashy "rides") and all the outward trappings of money and material "success." For others, this translates to displaying their bodies so as to garner admiration and desire. Whatever the mask, whatever the donned persona, the result is always the same: to give 'em what they want so that you, in return, can win their favor, attention, praise and, often, their subservience in whatever form or fashion appeals to your vanity.

And for others... they choose to hide behind fictional personae and characters... the more fantastical and supernatural, the better, as they think this will cause others to view them as someone they are most certainly not. And all too often, unfortunately, the mask becomes psychologically and emotionally "glued" to the person wearing it to the point that they begin to actually believe that the mask is their "true self." Of course, those who know them best (family, close friends, those with whom they share the closest relationships) KNOW that the mask is not actually the "true self" of the person wearing same... and try to kindly but truthfully express their concerns over the delusions and "pretensions of grandeur" the person has chosen to believe is who they truly are.

And when this occurs, the maskwearer has two choices:

1. To recognize that they are deluding themselves and that they are quite Human and that who they truly are is far more wonderful and far more real than the fictional persona... or;

2. Reject the caring words and well-warranted concerns of their loved ones and, out of pride and self inadequacy, reject reality and, instead, seek others who have likewise chosen to follow this same course of action in rejecting reality and the concerns of their own loved ones and, instead, band together in actively accepting and encouraging such falsely vaunted and delusional views of themselves as a "community" of "otherkin... while reacting with outrage should anyone threaten their "beliefs" by daring to point out the truth, as I just have.

And in this manner, should the 2nd option be chosen (which is almost invariably what happens), they continue to waste their lives following a pride-chosen path of false reality and delusion to its ultimate dead-end destination... and never even beginning to come to realize who their real "true selves" actually are.


I know the above will most certainly not be appreciated as the caring warning and clarion call it is (I've already lost friends who are posters here, in fact, for caring enough to speak truthfully to them), yet it is solely due to my concern and caring for this community that I have spoken as brazenly and forthrightly as I have...

... for whatever it might be worth to those here.


- Upir'

Ayi it is true that most live there lives under false pretense and I believe that it is for that very purpose that when someone truly reveals themselves for what they are that the world casts only stones.

But, does the world really cast stones? I think it depends on who we claim our "true self" is and then the evidences and actions we provide that are the only real indicators of whether we are being truthful or not.

Mozart was a great musician not because he said he was but by the music he wrote... and the world embraced him for it (mostly posthumously... but once revealed, they most certainly have). Einstein was a great scientist for, again, the actions he took in life. A great person, likewise, reveals him/herself by the actions taken in life, as well. To the contrary, people like Ted Bundy, Geoffrey Dahmer, Osama Bin Laden, etc., most certainly reveal themselves for who they are by, again, their actions... which most certainly will result in the world "casting stones" for the despicable characters they truly are... and deservedly so!

However, if you're going to claim to be a vampire or a werewolf or the like, then as both are defined by very specific and highly fantastical characteristics, you deserve to be met with healthy and quite sane skepticism. And if you cannot provide any real evidences that you are what you claim, then you bet the world is going to rightfully "cast stones" in being only able to conclude that you are either delusional, a pathological liar... or are playing them for fools.

If you claim to be a werewolf... then turn into a wolf and you will have proved by your actions that you are as you claim. If you cannot, then you are not a werewolf. That's pretty cut and dried, people.

If you claim that your "true self" is a vampire... yet cannot provide a valid death certificate proving that you are truly a revenant from the grave (all accounts list this as the first vampire requirement, after all), then how can you possibly expect anyone to care how sensitive to sunlight you think you are or what sort of fake fangs you've purchased or whether or not you sleep in a coffin, wear dark clothes, or can force down a few swallows of blood... you're still not a vampire. And no amount of re-inventing the term so as to permit mortal Humans from mimicking these traits is going to make any difference and only reveals the ludicrous lengths to which your self-delusion drives you to try to justify your delusion.

Just because you dress up as Darth Vader or Superman doesn't mean you are such fictional characters unless you can provide real evidence that you came from a "galaxy far far away" or can fly through the air, respectively. And your "belief" to the contrary does not require that any and all who hear your "belief" of yourself as any such fantastical character must accept such and embrace same.

Again... instead of wasting your quite-mortal lives away pretending to be "undead" and otherwise immortal supernatural characters... and destroying healthy sane relationships in so doing so as to go on to develop unhealthy and insane relationships with others likewise deluding themselves or willing to be deluded by you... please consider actually investigating who YOU truly are, and then building on that solid and true foundation.

ayi and ou are completly right i have never found myself associated with a being whom claimed to me to be several centuries old and when one has i proceed to walk away. i do not feel one must use the guidelines of what society has deemed to vampire qualities and such. I do not live my life in complete darkness nor dress as though black is the only existant color in the spectrum i have normal clothing and normal cravings as everyone else and i agree that if one is walking about with plastic fangs and a cloak is no more than an imposter yet i also do not doubt there are more than just the human race in this world,thats all.

Once again Upir, you have added so much to the dynamics of the conversation. What I try to add from a spiritual aspect you never fail to add intellectually... Bravo!!


As Upir has pointed out and was the meat of my comments in this thread, Putting on a mask is just a really nice way of saying "You Lie a lot."

I know what your gonna say...

"I'm not lying to anyone, I'm simply hiding the truth or not revealing the truth of what I am."


Well that's a lie... now you're lying to yourself to up hold and maintain the mask. You lie to yourself, to your friends and family.
Now before you go off on me... Pause, and listen!!
It's ok, I understand it, that is the nature of our exsistence. The mask is a necessary evil - It is why the Veil exists in the first place, to protect us from those that don't want to understand us. So believe me I'm not saying run out and hold a family meeting about your vampirism, and then head straight to confession. lol

What I am saying is that if you ever want to get beyond the masks then truth and faith in that other soul has to prevail.
Ultimately the mask is a front, a lie and you should never let the lie become who you are. Far to many people have chosen to live this way and it is why the Veil is necessary for the rest of us.
The goal is to blend into society by telling the truth and hiding it only when you have to not the other way around. As a community we are very close to reaching this goal. Our ideologies and faiths have never been more excepted as they are at present. We need to slowly use this breath of life so that it translates and extends that exceptence to us as a people too. Being forced underground again, having to retreat behind the veil as a collective can happen if we lie, decive, and hurt people as individuals.

I think both Upir and Severus have valid points. It is true the mask can get out of hand and some take on a persona which is quite alien.
Can one be criticized for hiding given the historical persecution of so many religions and body types on earth?
I think not.
LAST but not least- A WARNING TO OPEN FOLKS-

The TSA and other security have started installing Iris scanners yet they already know your identity by your prints.

Yet nobody questions why ? when they already have fingerprints and other biometrics. I do wonder if these Iris scanners are looking for something else but I am not certain, your thoughts please.

I wouldn't go around revealing your "true self" if this IRIS scanner implementation is accurate. Eyes are the windows to your soul. I personally don't need a piece of technology to tell me what I'm looking at but the average human eye doesn't see the cruelty and malevolence that lurks behind those eyes.

Ayi I agree but yet if these iris scans are looking for something else how could we hide? Yes I agree the dark times has fallen away with time but yet it seems new times with these new technologies may be just as bad.

my opinion is if you want to tell friends or family, feel free to do so. But DO NOT risk our exposure over trying to prove some stranger on the street wrong by flashing fangs or scaring little kids.

I live within my nature, yet do not believe it is wise to flaunt that nature.

I try to hide from most people but it never works

First off, the public Knows , that there are people that call themselves vampires, or whatever. In any case anyone who ridicules you or anyone about it, more than likely sluffs it of and doesn't really care. They just found some one to make fun of. And if you are a strong enough person , why should you care what others think to begin with ?

Just be proud of who and what you are, and screw the rest of them. Sorry meant to put that in the last post

There are times when you should stand up for your beliefs, and times when you probably shouldn't. The hard thing is knowing how and when you should but I think it comes down to personal strength and what you are prepared to go through, because no matter what you believe, there will always be those who support you and those who condemn you for it.

I stand up for that which I know to be true or for which I have found convincing evidences. When I do stand up for the aforementioned, it is to learn whether there might be contrary evidences sufficient to have me re-assess my theory or concept of truth and, if such warrant the effort, begin to determine where the greater truth lies. After all, only through such a process can we hope to journey toward greater truths and a greater understanding of Reality by which to better live our lives and progress toward the achievement of our true potentials.

I would never, under any circumstances, stand up for a mere "belief."

well said Upir and that shows us the nature of your true self.

What I meant, or rather should have said was what we believe is our true self, and whether or not we should reveal it to others depends very much on what we are prepared to do or go though for it.

A good portion of my friends off from here know, they don't treat me any different. Sometimes joke around when we meet a fanatic, but for the most part I keep it to myself even on here.

Only people who share my interests know. This is not something you'd share with the boss, workmates or in-laws.

Agreed, Mel.

All situations are different. but simply flaunting fangs to anyone that will gather and awe to me is just pathetic. they are after attention.

Agreed. I think depending on where you live too might also be a factor. If you in a strictly Christian region with extreme beliefs or rigid acceptance, you might be less inclined to "out" yourself as a witch or a vampire.
For your own personal safety if not for anything else.

I like that answer :)

I think it also comes down to not only your safety, but others around you. In this day and age, You CAN NOT only be thinking of yourself. Even if you are solo with no coven or dark family.
Those living across the region could be put in danger from another's careless acts that only cry for attention.

Revealing who you really are to a spouse, family, member, friend, etc. is different if you know you can trust the person indefinitely. Chances are they won't go telling news reporters or putting it on youtube.

I don't really hide it and I don't really brag about it either. I just let it go with the flow and ignore what people think, that's how I always seem to do things these days.

And thats how you should be. Why should you really care how others feel about who you are. I could walk up to my family and tell them " mom, dad, I am a vampire." and they would say I should go to church with them. Going to church , or even what they think, is never oing to change a thing if that is who you truly believe you are. On the flip side , I could walk up to any of my classmates, say the exact same thing to them. They would more than likely come back with " Ok, cool " and that would be that. Because more than likely they would take me seriously and leve it at that, or they would think I'm joking and still it would be left at that. Neither instant would change a thing. Be happy with who you are, and to hell with the rest.

My line, my being in and of itself is something that tends to attract things... things come to a head when I enter an area. To this end, there is Ninpo which has proven to be very useful.
As for the what I become over the long years of being an outsider working on the inside... well, the true nature of the human animal is no mystery to me.
I do not like them.
In groups they are dangerous and stupid.
Introduce religion and other dogmas and insanity becomes commonplace.
Defending myself from this is something I have no problem with. I just consider the odds. There are millions of idiots and thousands of smart people.
We do what we must.
I have no illusions.
My true self is not a pleasant thing.

I don't really think of me being a pagan and a vampire as being dark. It is a piece of who I am.
I don't wear a sign but I do wear a pentagram and fangs on occasional so I'm not exactly hiding it either. I live in an area that is fairly open minded so I've never had any really serious incidents other than a few people trying to convert me.

I know my earlier post may have alluded to this, but I dont run around shouting "look at me, Im a vampire!". Thats not what I meant. If someone was to genuinely ask "hey are you a vampire?" And I thought they wouldn't have me committed I would say yes.

But vampirism isn't the be all end all of me, there is so more to who I am that people wouldn't consider "normal".

The day world isn't ready to recognize us for what we are yet. Though some are many are too caught up on Hollywood for them to know could mean our exstinction. Not good at all so for now we hide. Simple but it works

In my personal experience...it's not usually a good reaction. I have for the last 7 years tried to be a normal person in order to make others around me happy. When I first was "awakened" I thought it would be a beautiful thing to be able to tell the people who I trusted the most specific family and friends. My friends were more open minded and much more accepting. As for my family....well it didn't go so well. My dad at one point disowned me because he felt I was a threat to him and my step-mom. My mom...well she is christian and just thought the immediate response...you are a satan worshiper. Unfortunatley because of my family and some extremely close friends not taking to kindly to my "new lifestyle" as they called it....I don't tell anyone. On here I feel that I can be myself...but after being dormant for 7 years and having the bad experiences I am extremely cautious. In my opinion others should be cautious and very picky about who they choose to "come out" to. The world is not ready for things they only thought existed in the movies.

Our true self is an ever evolving action. Each day we evolve like a caterpillar from a cacoon, as each hour passes by and we interact with the world around us to become "our" new "true self". Each experience and interaction changes us subtlely and we seldom notice the change until later.

If I was a vampire, I would certainly not reveal myself. As I'm not, just a human really, I see no problem in revealing that.

It is surprising how many people are astonished/appalled by that revelation ;->

I feel the same way about the way that society isn't ready to know about that kind of things. Mainly because society still doesn't accept a variety of things including the subject of vamps/ withes and etc.
For me I've mainly kept it a secret for the most part from my family because of the fact that it is a persona touch to what they say. And because they are involved in businesses that follow the media and things like that; they been pulled into that life. I find it awful that people really don't accept everything and then when someone asks them they completely lie about their belief in it.

My lust for blood, and my vampiric ways, are something I feel proud to shout to the world. When I was put into a mental hospital, for slicing up myself, they tried to give me methods on how to make myself feel better, without the cutting. I told them, that no matter how many methods they throw at me nothing, can measure up to the spectacular taste the blood gives to me. I proudly say that I am a vampire to whom ever is willing to listen. I will pierce the skin of anyone and everyone, allow the warm thick blood, to pour into my mouth, and all over my body. The taste is beyond amazing, and I can not stop. I AM A VAMPIRE, AND I WILL SHOUT IT TO THE WORLD!!!!

You must be smart about your actions... that's my thing

There are way too many people that feed off of that kind of energy. You have to watch those who you tell. Its almost as if people desire and are drawn to those who are on a different plane. They can seriously drain you. I would only tell those whom you trust with anything. Just my opinion

I feel this sort of thing should be more secretive even though this is a vampire site. So yes discussing this can be a helpful thing to others who need this sort of information but a lot of individuals come to either find it disturbing and criticize us for our natures of feedings and just want to ridicule Vampires in general. I say if people want to know if another is a vampire it shouldn't be told directly however it should be felt which is one way just to distinguish us from the mundanes.

And then again many people can ONLY discuss this issue on Vampire rave and other sites. People would thing they're mad.

If I am around ones who would believe then I might reveal my true self

every where I go I run into people like me. Understanding and with like ideas. I only talk to people who are interested or share like thoughts. If I talked to people who don't I get into a heated argument and waste my breath and time. My family knows and accepts me, and most of my friends are like minded.

i only tell my most trusted friends otherwise i dont tell

It's hard to know who to trust with your deepest secrets. If you don't choose wisely, you will pay--trust me! And yet, you can't just keep it in all the time. We are social creatures . In my life, it has been important to share things with those of similar experiences, and not with others.

its not something i go around telling people.i have found its best to remain silent amongst mundane people. by me doing this has lead me to live a happy and fulfilling lifestyle in both aspects.not even my close friends know i give no fuel for raging fires sometimes things are best left unsaid

Several people outside VR, do know of my connection with the occult & vampirism, but I don't tell everybody about it.

Meanwhile I partly mention it on my facebook page, and have a blog running. So more and more I am open about it, though if I feel, that people have a problem with it, I will keep silent about it.

Well at my age I really have to be careful especially about prospective employers who'd think me unbalanced if discovered I was Vamp and Pagan.

I want to keep it a secret! But I can be evil if i want to. But only to evil itself

Everybody has a dark side but whichever path you choose you always need to embrace that other side even though you may not like it. Balancing everything is the key to a lot of things.

But we also need to be careful of projecting that dark side as being evil or maleficent

*pads in and curls up nose to tail*

I am the wolf, to tell of anything less is to deny my birthright, everyone i know knows who and what i am, i hide nothing. I have found freedom by telling and being who and what i am, anything less is an outright lie and i refuse to wear a mask.

Why should we hide when we are everywhere, our realities waiting to be released... the time of persecution through death is over. This world to me seems ready to accept anything... embrace your kindred souls and live free.

Sometimes we have to hide because society is not ready and is in total denial of what and who we are.

i dont find that to be true, society is made up of so many minorities now that it is easy to be yourself... perhaps though it is different where you are.

No matter where i go there are always people that will scorn, whether wearing fangs and black gear or jeans and a tshirt... if they care it is their problem not mine.

I personally go to places that i am easily accepted e.g. goth bars, bdsm clubs etc. and where i am not accepted tough shit, i am what i am ... i wear my fangs wherever i go, i do not lurk in shadows as i need not hide who i am

Well for example have you heard about that guy breaking into an old ladies apartment claiming to be a 500 year old vamp? How do you think that makes us look and the communities at large. Now most society and police if they knew what we claim to be or what we are involved in it could lead them to further investigating into our business. We are not attackers and not canabals, we have high standards and we follow a specific law. Yes you are right about the regular people who do not care if they do not like what and who we are they could get lost for all I care, but the fact of the matter is us telling most society about what we are can stir up some trouble maybe not always but I assure you that it can.

i see your point, however one in a million does not carry a majority... if we as a culture continue to hide then it will be assumed by society that we are hiding something scary, that we are all 500 year old vamps out to kill everyone...

change only occurs when the many stand to be counted, and if it means to be on the firing line to be a pioneer of change then so be it... perhaps if all kindred races chose to stand together and inform society then that change would effectually happen.

At this point in time, vampire novels, movies, games etc are in abundance and the trend continues to rise. When i first became gothic i was shunned by my peers, it was when this was all coming to fruition in the 80's, acceptance had been started by the punks that predated this movement but we were looked at as evil, hell bent on carnage, killers, murderers, rapists... all because we wore black clothing and listened to death metal... absolutly there were people within the subculture that did those things but they did not show a true telling of what the people in the subculture really were.

The same is for kindred, early days bring attention on us, i am strong enough to wear my soul with pride. Society know we are here, we just have to have the guts and determination to stand and be counted. I am not ashamed of my heritage

That is also true I do in fact agree with you on this aswell. But I guess it's all depending on how most of the majority interprets us. Most think we are in cults regardless of us hiding or not they think we have a second life to being up to no good.

witches were once burned alive for their beliefs and now you can find wiccan shops in almost all places, i think it is a matter of perseverance and informing society in general, that we may be dark but we are not all bad. Kindred have a greater understanding of the blur between good and evil, i believe we live in the grey area, perhaps we can be teachers, and show that our ways are not what they believe them to be

Yes, however you know how you say your wolf correct? Well the wolves and the therian communities are more in the shadows than Vampirics themselves are. Not many wolves talk about themselves.

A problem i hope to correct over time my friend :) I pray that we all can stop hiding in the shadows.

It takes one to start change, and as we come out from the shadows then awareness of our culture will rise, Acceptance will follow.

Subcultures are tenuous at best, forever changing and shifting with society's decree. However when one subculture dies, there are always the ones left over who refuse to bend to society, to try to leave their mark, to be counted and identified for who and what they are, these are the procurers of change, these are the teachers, the disciples of their belief...

when society turns to vampiric movies, books and such it is the time for our subculture to emerge. Society is sold a romantic picture through movies like twilight and books like the Fallen series by Lauren Kate...as such the romantic element can be used to our advantage, this negates the old picture of vampires/lycans being inherently evil as society see that we can love.

I upmost agree my friend I always had a vision for all the all the communities to come to a unification and start opening up and changing our ways into a better benefit for all.

Yea but Ken when would you think that would happen, especially here in the US? It's more likely to happen in Europe then here, and if here not anytime in my lifetime.

I'm a witch but my family and friends don't know. I don't plan on telling anyone other then people on here. I feel more safer with it like that. I can hide easily and i don't mind being alone.

hmm... it must be harder in the US for these things

I live in Australia and generally most people dont look twice at a goth wandering down the road with yellow eyes and fangs lol

Perhaps it is more widely accepted here... though i believe that Australians are also a lil more laid back perhaps

I stayed in the coffin for a very long time. I was very lucky to have several close friends I could share my true self with. After I moved to Sacramento I had a very good friend that got me to come fully out of the coffin and now I am darn near famous.

I agree that the USA is a bit stuffy about fangs and yellow eyes. lol

I chose to wear my mode of dress, at sixteen, as my true self made manifest.

there are some that feel a need to shout out to the world "LOOK AT ME! IM DIFFERENT!"

just a cry for attention i think.

im of the opinion that most people dont want to know, and really dont care of your something out of mainstream. i was a school teacher for a time, and am now a pilot....both groups where you must maintain a very mainstream facade. I wear a mask in my day to day life, and yes....only very special people that i deeply trust know of who and what i am.

if your one of those that wants to make a big deal about a somewhat out of the mainstream condition, religion, or sexual orientation, ill stand up for your right to do so....but could you stand over there, away from me a bit? you might smear my camouflage makeup LOL.
~W~

Now days it takes a lot of courage for someone to just speak about what and who they are because they are in fear of what might happen to them if they do whether its through the internet or actually in public.

I personally treat it like my sexuality. If you are close enough to me that I would trust you about my sex life, then I might reveal it to you.

If someone broaches the topic, I don't typically hide it. I say typically, because each person/circumstance is most likely going to differ.

In the end and be all of it, it is up to that individual how they will handle things.

The consequences of their actions, and what they will learn from them, belong to them alone.

I doubt I could say anything to my parents...When I was a teen an my neighbor gave me her old occult books, my mom nearly threw them all out. My mom also threw out all my black clothing. And wouldn't listen when I tried coming out as bi...So the topic of Vampyres is not something I wish to bring up with her.

As of late I tried talking to one of my closer friends. I thought it went well...until a few days later. I guess her mate decided I was "dangerous" and our friendship seems to be at an end.

After that, I'm real hesitant about saying anything to anyone.

I think I'd rather keep quiet. As much as I don't like the idea of hiding what I am from my friends & family...it's probably safer. :


My mate knows. And is very supportive. :) And I think that's all I really need for now.

Honestly I would never tell my parents they are not that open minded and that is much better circumstances by only telling people that you trust and if you ever approach about what you are in a conversation I would not necessarily hide it either.

It should be noted that there is infighting among those who identify as Vampires as well. It is not as if there is an internal acceptance so why should anyone identifying as a vampire expect anything less from mainstream culture.

You never seem to get your freedom til after you've moved out, SoulRyan. believe me I've plenty of mates who had the same problems, especially those, who had a vicar for a father.

The problem being is TV and movies. We all watch them and we see how far fetch they tend to make things. Then we look at life the same way some things are to unreal to believe no matter how we prove it.

as long as people keep hiding who or what they are humanity will never change. At some stage ppl gotta come out of the closet....dont just come out and say I am a ''----- or a ****) come out and have the evidence then we as humans can start changing the way we see and believe things.

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