Hello all the more I go threw the forums the more questions I find myself asking so I figure I should ask a few of them I myself am not a vampire and I always understood from the ones that I am closet too that they always were from birth and most had some sort of awakening I keep hearing people talk about being made a vampire so my question is how is someone made a vampire I mean when I hear this I think of the movies … being bitten not that I am trying to become one I just never knew that you could … thank you all who respond
Becoming a vampire by means of being bitten by one? I have never actually heard of that happening outside of movies, books and folklore.
For me at least being a vampire falls into one of two catagories.
The first being those born with some sort of vampyric tendancies...psi/pranic vamps etc, who feed on the emotions, energies or life force of another being.
The second being the sanquinarian vampires who take blood as a means of feeding,( though often many of them also are of a psi nature as well) and thus are the closest in nature to what is historically thought of as "vampire," which is a being who exists by ingesting the lifes blood of another. Though I can't think of a single sanguine I have ever met who can survive soley on blood lol.
For some of the sanguines I know the first instance of sharing or taking of blood from another is often concidered to be a form of "turning" or "embracing" into a vampyric existance and lifestyle, but that is more a symbolic transformation then what you were refering to I believe.
very well said about the sanguines
ElyriaBloodshadow.
and those would technically be the ones that werent born as such
One thing you find in a lot of vampire communities both online and off Serenity, is those who can't or won't seperate the reality of vampyrism with the myth.
I just can not take anyone seriously who goes around telling me they are an immortal vampire who was bitten and turned by another immortal and other such stories, but trust me you see people like that all the time.
I really can't say for certain if some of them actually believe what they are saying, or if it is just a way of gaining attention or noteriety for themselves, but from my personal experience people like that tend to have no true grasp of what it means to be a vampire in this day and age and in this reality.
All the vampires I know are just like everyone else...they work regular jobs, live mostly ordinary lives and have all the same issues and problems as anyone else does.
Never met a true immortal vamp and never met anyone who became on by being bitten, and I doubt I ever will.
Of course I could be wrong.
*grins*
*smiles at lordvampirio*
Well having friends who are of both types, and being both psi and sanguinarian myself does help a bit lol.
Everything there was speaking from my own personal experience.
I certainly can't speak for everyone else out there, but my own "embrace/turning/induction" call it what you will, was as I described, and that is the way most of those I know within the communites I have been a part of have viewed it, as a symbolic entering into a new and different chapter of life or stage of existance.
Thanks Neverknown.
Again it's just my own personal experience and point of view. I am sure there are others who will have something far different to say on the matter.
Nice Elyria.
I would say in becoming a vampire as psy is by learning it.
I think being psi is something of a gift you are born with, but certainly it is something that requires training and time to learn and control. One of the worst things out there is a psychic vampire who either is unaware of what they are, or does not know how to control the ways and means by which they feed.
Well that and those who simply do not care how their actions effect those from whom they draw the energies.
As with anything where vampires are concerned, no matter what type they are, common sense and self control are key issues.
Serenity, I have to say thanks for posting this thread. This is a question that I have alway wondered about. You really can't believe all of the myths out there ie stakes, garlic, etc, and I totally agree about the psi vamp aswell.
yes i to agree with ElyriaBloodshadow's
post and i also beleave that one is ither born with or without a vampric soul.
Looks like there is no need for me to post my thoughts. Someone has already said what I was about to say myself.
- Sin
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I have been accussed of being a psychic vampire, which I am. I was born with the abilty and learned to control it but I have never considered myself a vampire because just because I can do I don't need to do it and I may wrong but doesn't a vampire need to feed or at least have the want or desire to feed?
RevenSway...just want to let you know that I will drop you those links as soon as I can. And no, it is no trouble, as I said I meant to put them in my profile anyway.
I just wanted to ask speciffically about psi vamps. Is the consensous that you would be born a phi vamp, at least born with the ability. Or can this ability be turned or awakened?
I personally think that one has to be born with the potential, just as with any other form of psychic gift. If there isn't some small trace of it there, no amount of teaching, training or trying will bring it about.
However, I don't think for a moment though that every person born with the potential realizes it immediatly, and some may well go for years without knowing what they are.
So I would have to say that in those cases yes they could, and most likely would, eventually go through an awakening of sorts.
But I don't think that just anyone can "learn" to become a psi vamp anymore then just anyone can "learn" to be clairvoyant or empathic and so on.
If the potential does not exist in a person, they simply will not be able to manifest it no matter how much they might try or wish for it.
I can wish all I want that I could become telepathic or telekentic or clairvoyant for example, but since those are not gifts I was born to possess, wishing is all it will ever be.
Again, this is only my personal opinion. People are more then likely to have other very differing opinions on the subject.
Elyria, Thankyou for that clarification. It helps a lot.
There are some links on my profile page to sites that have more info on psi vamps and vampires in general, and I seem to recall seeing some articles or posts here on the matter as well. If you need any more information those are good places to check.
Laurentius as I said there are some links on my profile page and I also found this one that Cancer had posted. Take a look and see if any of them have the information you are looking for.
http://www.house-eclipse.org/vampirism/psibasics.shtml
*smiles at her friend* I think your experiences speak for many who have gathered in this place, and your wisdom is a definite asset.
I did post a link to reapersofblood in another thread, which I think contains a lot of useful and helpful information on this topic.
The most important thing, in my opinion, is to ask questions and do research. This lifestyle is considered sub- or counter-culture so education and enlightenment will only arrive through the efforts of each individual.
If you would, toss me the link again so that I don't have to search through all the threads, and I will add it to the list on my profile page.
I beleive nothing can make one a vampire unless one has the gene. I think it is hereditary. Some who have the gene are awaken some are not. Some are helped to awaken and some figure it out on their own. Eventhough one or both of one's parents had the gene they might not have been awaken. Sometimes the gene is passed through generations, before it is awakend again.
As for being bitten i agree with Elyria, that is a myth created by Lala-wood and overactive imagination's.
You're welcome hon. It's a wonderfully informative site and I know it's helped several of our mutual friends on their journeys.
I have to thank Sky for turning me onto that site.
Oh so Sky had a hand in finding that one?
Should have known.
*grins*
Hmm, I think vampirism is both a matter of birth and of choice: you're born with or without a vampire's soul, and you must choose whether or not to embrace it. As much as I love the idea of a dark angel sinking his teeth into my flesh and turning me ihto a superior being, I don't think it's all that easy. Perhaps the vampires of today are the reborn spirits of those immortals who could not handle their dark gifts and chose to end it in the sunlight? i still like to think that there are the true immortal vampires out in the world somewhere, but I don't think that a single bite could turn any "normal" human into a vampire.
learning psy?
that would only be possible by mental transfer. but i doubt anyone would just give it up willingly.
so becoming psy by learning it, i highly doubt that
So how would you distinguish the people who just drink blood for an act, and the actual vampires?
Thanks BlooDAngeL11. Like I said though...it's just my opion I am expressing. That doesn't mean it's always the right one and certainly not the only one out there.
LETxMExDIE, when you say "drink blood for an act" do you mean those who just do it because they think it's a cool thing to do or because they saw someone else doing it etc, or do you mean those who drink it as a more ritualistic/symbolic act?
The first type I would say no I really wouldn't concider them to be vampire. Maybe curious about it and wanting to try the lifestyle. But if they are doing it just for the acceptance or whatever else they think it will gain them, or to try to seem to be something more then what they are in order to impress others, then I don't think that really classes them as being vampire in nature.
As for those who might do it as a part of a ritual act, that would depend on the person and the circumstances. And in those cases it would be at situation where I would have to know more about both the person and their actions to even hazard a guess on their true nature.
And again, as in the other posts I want to point out this is just MY opinion.
And I will say it yet again....these boards really need a spell check option.
*mutters something about proof reading her posts before she submits them*
I really need to start doing that lol
*Smiles at her sisters Elyria and Siobhan*
Becoming Vampyr......
Elyria has stated most of what I would but better probably lol
To address a few points.
To drink blood and whether it is an act or no ~ depends I would think . There are some who have a need which is medical rather than on an energy level, the ones who 'feed' to gain the energy would be the ones classed as vampyric, and if involved with a sexual act quite pleasurable to lol
Psy/Psi whatever ~ they will feed of the energy of others. There is a lot of info out there re the differences of psy and leech etc. and to answer a qustion yes the gift of psy can be taught or developed. I have met psy vamps who feed and drain off one donor and casue damage but have no knowledge of what they do.......met one who knew exactly what she was doing but didn't want to play with me *grins*. Then you have those who have the gift of psychic or clairvoyant ability who are not vampyric as they do not need the energy to feed from.
And if blessed with a vampyric soul and the gift of clairvoyance, well *smiles* thats a whole other ball game.
I am not sanguine so my knowledge is only that which I have read or know from sanguine friends,,,, the psy vamp can be helped to train itself and develop itself when they themselves have realised that there is a something about them, and that is their awakening..........
*looks at Nastya*
So you think psi vampirism can be something someone learns even if they were not born with some latent abilities in that direction?
I suppose if we look at it from a standpoint of being just another form of enegy working then it is concievable that someone could learn to draw energies from another person without having actually been "born" a psi vamp.
Have to concede at least the possibilty to you.
*grins*
*Smiles at El*
The talent of learnig to focus the feed, once one knows it is a feed you are doing can be honed yes.... wasn't saying one can learn to do it if you havent the gift, same as you can't teach clairvoyance to one who has no gift.....
gonna have to read what I put agian is the britese too hard for you?
*grins*
Hey I did warn you I hadn't had enough sleep. So my brit-speak is a bit off.
*smiles*
well if you fall into the pattern of the lifestyle of vampires.... then you could become more like one
LETxMExDIE i think your question is how do you know a poser from the real deal .... i would think that if one was just pretending to be a vampire they wouldnt poses the correct manurisms and at some point they will undoughtedly show the real them weather on purpose or accident or atleast that is what i belive
*Smiles at Serenity*
The ones I walk with have a saying, like is drawn to like. If you have anything deep within those with the eyes to see will recognise it, and the closeness of just being with like minds will help someone to find themselves.
Being with people, in my opinion, cannot make them become a psy vamp, or a medium, therehas to be a something there already, or that has been my experience. But to just be with kin can open ones eyes to other thoughts and ideas, and an open mind is always better than one closed and can give benefits all their own.
*applauds ElyriaBloodshadow*
"I just can not take anyone seriously who goes around telling me they are an immortal vampire who was bitten and turned by another immortal and other such stories"
Thankyou....this is point I've wanted to see made on this site time and time again, especially when I've been offered a place in someone's castle on some otherwise undiscovered island that they've inhabited since 1200 a.d. or what have you. I do believe that some people have souls that are slightly different than other peoples. I don't believe this makes us immortal, or means we require blood for sustanance, or gives us the power to fly or walk through walls, or what have you. WE AREN'T X-MEN!!!! We are simply a people with a different breed of soul; for some of that means being more mentally attuned to those around us, for some it is a bloodlust - NOT dependancy - and for some it is the ability to control the energies around us.
*rant over*
*smiles at Darkling*
I firmly believe in reincarnation and in the existance of old souls, but the idea that someone actually believes himself/herself to be immortal or to have lived for hundreds of years in this same body, that I find completely unbelievable.
I understand the appeal of the whole concept of immortality both of body and of spirit, but I have never in my lifetime encountered anyone who could even come close to being truely, physically immortal.
Though of course my great-great grandmother dying at the young age of 117 does give me cause to wonder on occation if it might not be possible lol.
if your a vamp u find out sooner or later... something sets u off... for me it was biting my girlfriend playfully and then .....well... u can figure it out form there
I know that i myself am not a vampire, but aside from being human, i know not what i am, i feed on emotion as weird as it sounds, it is how i thrive, being able to affect and/or have control over them
Normally I would post something smart ass here, but Elyria has done a great job on this thread, so....there
*nods to Elyria*
I'm a definate believer in reincarnation as well. Perhaps that is how vampiric tendancies are passed from one generation to the next, as opposed to a vampire purposely biting a mortal to turn them....hmmmm.....interesting thought....
*grins*
Thanks I think.
Though after misreading Nastya's post I think I am going to stop reading and posting when I am suffering from a lack of sleep lol.
I am actually amazed as many of my posts made sense yesterday as they did.
No one can be turned into a vampire. Vampirism is a cultural explosion and most become one of choice or beliefs. Medical speaking anyone that has some sort of medical deficiencies with there body will use vampirism as an explanation for it, but this is my opinion and this does not represent the views and beliefs of people of this site.
In no way am I trying to insult anyone’s beliefs this is the truth that I believe.
HELLO...vampires aren't actually real!!!, its a frame of mind that certain people put them selves in.
i think u would have to be born a vampire to become one i saw it last night while i was riding with sum frends and he showed me his fangs...it was fucking awesome!!!!
ashdude im sorry i very strongly dissagree and know for a fact vampires are very much real!
hmmmm....I thought the debate here didn't have anything to do with IF vampires exist, but how, assuming they do, they come to be.
To further my brief explaination of a theory...
For those of us who believe in the possibility of reincarnation: The tales of vampirism have existed for many years, as is evident is journals and stories throughout the ages. Now, many skeptics believe that these stories were a scapegoat, or a way to scare virtuous young women into behaving the way young ladies should. However, something must have occured for someone to think of the possibility in the first place. Stories like these often begin with a minor incident, and then end up blown out of proportion for dramatic effect. For instance, some worried father may have noticed a bite mark on his daughters neck caused merely by an over-anxious young man (c'mon, how many of us HASN'T that happened to, vampire or not?) and in shock began some story that the boy was trying to kill his daughter in order to separate the young lovers. This story grew into the tales of demonic beings rising from the grave to drain people dry of their blood. Now, going back to our young man with the minor case of bloodlust...if the stories of drinking people dry was merely a story, than what about him? Perhaps people do exist who are slightly more prone to enjoying a taste of blood now and again. Now, how did this pass through the ages? I doubt it's a genetic trait, for I'm sure more than a few of the people on this website will say neither of their parents seem in any way vampiric. But what if it is the soul itself that carries these tendancies? What if we are indeed reincarnated after each lifetime, and our soul carries this trait from one lifetime to the next?
*raises hand as a clairvoyant*
I've always been...
Though, in other aspects I have different opinions. Anyone who cares to know can message me :)
I agree very much with ElyriaBloodshadow...
those being those born with some sort of vampyric tendancies and those being the sanquinarian vampires who take blood as a means of feeding
i dont believe one can be turned into something that is a blood trait to others..by this i mean no matter how much a man can alter her body and change..he will still be a man...same goes for vampyres..no matter how much your bitten or drink blood, you cant be turned into a vampyre..you can enjoy the experience and have a fettish..but a vampyre needs the blood to sustain its life...no one can just change from being of healthy body into that of one with a condition
hmm.... well, we know so little about the actual past of vampires that we can't make any real decision, so as of now it in my opinion can only be a state of mind
to elyriablood shadow:yr info i s really interesting....guess i totally agree with you ; P
I agree as well that you can be born into a vampiric life. But I don't beleive you can be bitten to be turned. Today's vampirism is much different than what they portray in the movies.
Wow.... ElyriaBloodshadow is very good with the explanations of things!!!! I'm impressed.
*smiles*
Well I do try to give good information. Like I said though, the things I put out here on the boards are my experiences and opinions. Hopefully they make sense, and some people will find them of interest.
However, I hardly think they are the only opinions and I know there are others with widely differing experiences or beliefs about things.
But that's half the fun of a discussion....getting the varying points of view on a topic.
The way I see, the more information you can gather on a subject the better.
I agree
You seem Like a great Person To have a conversation with
my mom thinks yall weird but i think kool i just learnt a lot O.o my brain hurts now anyways my friend leanne asked if she became a vampire (kinda like me) how wud she get the blood now i tend to bite but sometimes its easier to cut ive told her anyways but she dont listen message me with comments or sommin for the dumb blonde
*smiles at her sister, Elyria*
I'm glad to see others are noticing what some already knew *grins*
You do have a wonderful wealth of information and I also enjoy reading your posts.
*smiles at Siobhan*
Thank you sister. This is what happens when you find a subject that interests you and spend years digging up all the info you can find on it. Sooner or later some of it will start to come in handy.
It shows that you put a lot of time and love into this subject. You are definitely an asset here *smiles*
Just a reply to Ashdude.......
whilst all are entitled to opinions, have to say that I for one can't agree that being a vampire is a state of mind you put yourself in.
A vampyric nature has to be fed, there are different ways of accessing the feed but if you have the need then you have it, ifnot no amount of wishing will give it to you.
I will agree many claim to be vampire becasue they know others who claim to be, andif they get a benefit from that so be it, but there are ones who just are, and whilst you can choose to believe or disbelieve *smiles* you should also leave a small part of yourself open to the idea of a possibility in case you meet one.....least then you'll recognise them perhaps?....
Ok sis I know I must be getting tired because I could have sworn at first glance you said "you are an asshat"
*walks off shaking her head*
*Grins at EL*
Well she was talking bout you so hats fitting.....???
*Glares at Nastya*
Brits and their twisted sense of humour!
Very funny darling.
*walks off shaking her head*
With family like these......
hn...im not sure really...but it makes u wonder out of all the ppl who claim to be vampires how many of them area ctually even close
Becoming a vampire??/ Hmmm...hang on...wait....oh yeah..there it is...now I'm one....Based on what I have seen recently, apparently all it takes is a parents credit card and a trip to Hot Topic.
*Looks at Siobhan and smirks*
More like discovering the need to buy it by the truck load.
well there we go another piece of vampire knowledge to add to the collection lol :P
Java is our friend ;)
It is my belief that anyone has the potential to awaken a part of themselves that open to and in touch with things not of the mundane world. Those who are drawn to a higher calling begin to explore their feelings, perhaps do some research, and reach out to those who seem to be in communion with that which defies logic or reason.
I don't know of anyone who, from birth, had the call or desire to live a vampyric lifestyle. It is something that is sought out, whatever the catalyst may have been.
I myself am a sanguine with partial psi tendencies...I can not recall a time when I was not facenated by blood.....from a very young age I craved it...and around the beggining of highschool I began to learn how to truelly feed off of energy for the first time....I had been doing it before...but not even relizeing it....now I know how to control myself better..and when too much is too much....I can not say for certain when i first realized what I was...I think in away...I always knew
But what about those that choose the lifestyle by choice? Are they accepting the decison they were given at birth or through they way they experience life decide to go through steps to become this way... just a thought I hope it doesn't seem innapropriate here.
well i can say i was only half awakend while i was in high school but after my current ex at the time b/f helped me out become fully awakened(which is a long story) since he is a blood vampire well now he is no longer one (another long story). so i learned how to control taking energy and such other stuff with me being a psi vampire.
I am a human vampyre that needs blood to live or I get very ill without it. Ive always been this way but I wasnt made into to a vampyre by means of being bitten I was born this way.
I must say that I am in awe at the show of true intelligents and knowledge being shown in this thread . Most of the time you run into wannabe's who know nothing but myth and movie hype. I think I have found a very worth while and impressive site.
blackvamp, how many times will you post the same comment on a different thread?
As to this one, damn am I annopyed I missed it... I really like where you are coming from Elyria.
Thank you for one of the best threads I've had the opportunity to read in ages... I wish I had been here to comment, but hey ho, such is life...
As far as I know, one is a vampire due to a condition of the subtle body. It predates their physical body by countless years.
As far as being 'turned', it just doesn't happen. I can do many of the things a psychic vampire can, but I do not consider myself one. According to the codex, someone could conceivably become a psy if they are unfortunate enough to have an untreated subtle body wound and live in a low-energy state for an extended period of time, but this is still not really being 'turned'. As for a sang, I'm not very knowlegeable, but I'm fairly sure the same rules apply. One cannot simply be 'turned' simply by being bitten. Vampirism isn't a disease per se. It's a condition.
Well Stabb there is always next time lol.
LaMuerte, very nicely said.
I have to put in my opinion and agree with BloodGod..."Learning" how to be a vampire would be about as impossible as changing your permanent skin tone, or the color of your eyes.
Unless you're faking it, it's just not happening.
There are people who fake it well. However...that talent would be better used on someone honest.
Aside from that, I can't be sure I know every definite way to make someone a vampire. There are so many, that so many people can back up with personal experiences, and only know their own experiences. So few are exactly the same, and made the same way. We can't know everything.
Although...forum posts like these are how we get an idea :)
P.S. I love this place *grin*
I have to agree that "becoming" could also be taken as "awakening" by some.
(IMO) Vampirism isn't something you can "convert" to like going from Christian to Jewish (or vise versa).
It does how ever boil down to "yes" you are, or "no" you're not.
It also kind of follows the "rule" of "listening to Marilyn Manson, Slipknot or Type O, wearing all black, and always 'being depressed and full of ANGST' makes one a 'Goth".
*declaimer; I tend to be sarcastic at times*
The act of "turning" these days is more of a symbolc thing. I have "turned" one person, and it did in fact change their energy, and aura a bit. But by no means did he fully become a vampire. He became a sanguine.
Nothing that i'm aware of? but a couple more bites and i believe i could be one!
hmmm...well im gonna have to go with elyria 100% on this...my mom and dad were both psy and sang vamps and in turn i was born one and brought up with the teachings...although i have not mastered my ablilities...i am vary familiar with tham and know how to control them....Great job Elyria...
hmm, *smiles* as i human i must say it seems being a vampire is really confusing or it might just b me...im tired...lol
I am rather surprised by some of the responses that I have read here. Hollywood is, yet again, to blame for many of the misconceptions of our kind. (if you can't tell by my posts. I am in fact a Psi.)
vamplastat you are one of the first people I have run into in years who actually seems to have not one but two parents who have the same gifts. I know neither of my parents did, and I have always been curious to try to find out if those who have one or both parents who are sanguine or psi (or both) find it easier or harder to control their abilities.
very informative thread and I have to agree with what is being said here in as well some are born yet some awaken.I myself was born with the abilities I possess however up until my great grandmothers dead I had no idea who or what I was so at the age of 13 my abilities were shown to me as she passed from the world of the living over to the world of the dead..I know some people find it hard to believe we exist but we do very muchly so.
And for some there are no answers that can be given because they have no idea how or when it happened..
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Well I cant really answer this question but I can say that I was born a psy vampire.
I must be the dumbest person ever all these years I have been slitting y own wrist and drinking my own blood IM'A DUMBASS!!
My personal feeling, take it or leave it, is that unlike the movies and the lovely Rice books where the victim soon to be fledling is bit, drained, and then fed from the host....It's an innate thing. You just know. Always drawn to. hard to explain. But you don't go from fluffy pink bunnies to dark nights. Bleh...there ya go. ^_^
i was not born a vampire! i was born well a mutant i guess is what you would call it but i was turned around the age of 25 buy an english noble man! ad to answere your question im not exactly sure waht all happened that night but i do not beleave one can be bitten and turn from there. i rember drinking his blood and after that my transfurmation began! and now im less certan on what i am!
Just to add a couple of things.
Some have psychic or clairvoyant gifts, this does not make them a vamoire, lol I can think of a few friends of mine who would be horrified at that thought.
I have those gifts but also the need to feed off energies, and if I don't I feel the effects.
A psychic or clairvoyant gift can be honed and developed, thats why I run a circle group to develop whatever talent there is to be developed.
A turning.......well, if one has a vampyric nature and is lucky enough to meet with those who are kin *grins at El* then an awakening will happen of sorts as the understanding of what one is is available to you. The same thing happens with a 'normal psychic or sprotual gift, meet with those who have that capability and an understanding and development occurs.
I have 'awakened' a few, not ny any bite but y a presence, an nderstanding, an exchange.
I have two children, they are very spiritually gifted, one is not vampire the other..well, lol, not close enough to me right now so that is latent if it is there.....and oh if it awakens I hope I am there to see the look of horror on a certain someones face
*laughs and wanders off to bed*
*looks at Nastya and falls over laughing*
Omg I can just imagine the look on HIS face if that ever happened!
I dont know about you guys, but I've always had a thing for blood and biting people, but more so since one of my older friends that claims to be a vamp bit me on the wrist and drew blood..weird huh? I also had never really belived in the ''biting'' thing, but I was bitten an now I love all the things I already love, even more, things like; darkness, nighttime, blood, biting people, stuff like that...
i think it is something you have to be born with. i know some people who are "sheep" they like to do what other people do. my friend, for as long as i can remember always said he was a vamp. but this one kid, a "sheep", was trying to be a vamp like my friend and was also trying to be a vulcan from start trec i think. it was the funniest thing i think i have ever seen
You can *live* as a vampire or imagine you are a vampire...but if you think you are actually a vampire then you need help...the defintion of vampire is : of the flesh...or dead ...the German word for vampire is Nosferatu...which means living dead....so...unless you died and came back with no heart beat and no breath...you are NOT a vampire