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He is known as the Mad Monk. He influenced the extremely spiritual (and naive) Tsarina Alexandra during the reign of the last Tsar, before the Russian Revolution. He is Grigori Rasputin.


My question is, what do you think about him and his alleged powers?

I find him to be quite an intriguing figure. He seemingly "cured" the Tsar's son of haemophilia, and took advantage of the Tsarina ever since he did that. Either he is a brilliant con man that got lucky in regards of "curing" the Tsar's son, or he really did have powers of some sort.

What are your impressions of him?

I've read a little bit about him, and I think he was a fascinating character. I definitely believe he had some kind of powers, if you believe any of the stories involving him. And the way he died? Come on. He was poisoned, drowned.... wasn't he also stabbed? Or was it shot? Hard man to kill.

Yeah, I definitely think his energy was strong.

His fortitude was legendary. I believe energy so easily flown throughout his being that he could almost command it to literally absorb damage.

Fascinating man he was.

there is something about him that is hard to explain. but together with these "powers" he was certainly a clever man who knew how to play his cards right

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but when he was pulled out of the water, wasn't his hand in the position as if to make the sign of the cross?

Maybe in a last ditch effort, he planned to appeal to God to spare his life and grant him the strength to survive the icy cold water.

Rasputin was an amazing figure in history. I seriously think he had some sort of powers. They made a great movie about him a few years ago. Now you have me wanting to go re read information on him :-)

i have long been fascinated by Rasputin...he definitely had something about him that was not of what would be considered the "norm"...according to what i've read on his "curing" of the young hemophiliac son, what he did was simply tell everyone to leave him alone and do not touch him...at that time leaching was a large "doctoral" practice and this obviously would make the hemophilia worse...by not allowing the boy to be prodded and poked and sucked upon by the leaches, he gave the boy's blood a chance to settle so to say...if a person suffers from a severe form of hemophilia even a small bruise can be dangerous...if he wasnt being touched and wasnt being allowed to do things that put his body in danger, his body basically healed itself...of course this was not commonly known at that time so Rasputin was looked upon as a mystical healer for this...however, he took great advantage of the tzarina and numerous other influential women who followed suit with alexandra...this angered the notable males and irritated the high society members as it appeared as if the tzar was taking orders from a womanizing, drunk madman...this lessened the peoples feelings for nicholas's abilities to be tzar and lead the country...according to many historians, Rasputin's involvement in the royal family's life, was quite a large part of their eventual downfall and death

Queenofdarkness19 summed it up pretty good. He was stabbed, shot and drowned before he finally(?) expired. For good measure after he died, they cut his cock off.

Obviously, a man with superior willpower

they say that because he had powerr that he sold his soul to the devil but if you look closer into his back ground he was religious the only thing that differed between him and a priest was he liked sex and admitted it

I personally am not convinced he had any 'power' at all. What is certain is that he was a masterful manipulator, but there were many men and women like him during that time, people who used the gulliblity and supersition of others to make themselves seem more then they were.

Of course I could well be mistaken, but their really is no way to be certain now.

Im convinced he had some sort of power just because they poisoned him, shot him twice, stabbed him and through him in a river and he died cause he drowned, im pretty sure theres something there

Though I must say that I have limited knowledge of Rasputin through out his life, as with many historical figures there is much about their lives and the details of it that becomes twisted and shown in a skewered light.

"...but History is written by those who have hanged heroes."

people believed that he was into black magic and that with his powers he was able to defy the norm.
so he could very well have been someone with great powers but i think what his greatest power was is that he was able to con so many people into believeing him. he reminds me of hilter..the way they had power over the people and seem to cheat death

I agree he does have similarities to Hitler...

Rasputin was definitely a tough dude! Assissins tried to kill him over and over again, and it took the guy forever to finally die! He must have been like the characters in horror movies that refuse to die no matter what is done to them!

ive read some about him and my best friends sister had hemophila some things about it are if you relax the person who is bleeding there is more of a chance the blood will clot and stop bleeding. also i think he was very good a hytonizing. i can't explain his death though that was just plain strange mabye he lived for so long because of the drugs he had just taken or mabye he had such a stong will to live or mabye the ppl that were killing him were seeing things and when he was dead the first time the drugs they had taken messed up their vison and they tought he was still alive im not sure

Thanks for this post. I had no knowledge of this person until now and I find him fascinating just from the words I have read here.

^^ Wow... I've learned alot about Rasputin now.. other than what I thought in Anastasia >.

I don't know a lot about him, but I have to admit there must have been something more to him than just being very clever (which no doubt he definitely was). Besides being such a fox he must have had some form of powers, even if it was just manipulating others around him.

he didn't cure the son he just prophosised (sp) to alexandrea about blood and sinse no one outside the family knew the son was a hemopheliac (sp? and hopes thats the right word) she thought he truly was sent from god to help her. in my opinion he had no power was just a excellent con mac to the tsarina, no one else bought what he said especially the tsar but went along with it because pf his wife and his love and devotion to her, he couldn't say no

thats just my opinion

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also i forgot to mention about the multiple death wounds. they very well could be mystical and couldn't die easily but in my opinion he was given so many wounds because the people hated him so much. that when they finally got ahold of him they wanted to mutilate and disgrace him as much as possible paying for all his crimes especially with castration especially since he raped many maids in the palace and of coarse countless others. i would be surprised if he tried to sleep with or rape the royal daughters like the peasants say he was doing

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It seems that he was gifted in telling people what they wanted to hear. I'm currently working my way through a book written by a decendent called "The life and times of Grigorri Rasputin". It's not bad if you want a whole picture of what life was like in Russia at that time, and how Rasputin fit in to everything.

From what I recall from my studies, they never found his body at all, or at least never showed public proof that they recovered it.

For an interesting, though fictional, glimpse, read "I, Vampire" by Micheal Romkey. It has quite a few historical references, many of which are based in fact, making it a rather interesting read. Characters include Jack the Ripper, Mozart, and Rasputin, among other well known historical figures.

According to "The Life and Times of Grigorri Rasputin" His body was found on the banks of some river and was burned. Guess they wanted to make damn sure he was dead.

*Bravo!* *Bravo!*

Thank you all for your insight and replies. I had a good time reading them!

I have not read much about him but I thought he was a rather interesting soul

Check out this photo on the internet

http://www.justaddbrains.com/viewtopic.php?p=53611

I have never really been interested in him before. After reading this thread im going to go to my library.. I prefer books to Internet...

I beleive he was a very powerful persoanlity..his private cult of personality with the czarina...that said..he power was his pursuassiveness.

He's like Hitler to me. A great man with a bad taste.

I heard that he didn't actually die from drowning.....but from pneumonia gained during the drowning attempt......
in addition....there was a newspaper article a couple years back concerning him....thats his member was cut off and presented to his royal ladies who actually had it preserved...it is supposedly still on display...and apparently it is way above average

I myself am supposedly related to Rasputin. Now, before you decide to go all crazy with thought that I making this up for attention, it is simply something my grandmother tells me constantly. Therefore, I have done quite alot of research into my supposed great-grand uncle. He was lured into the house of a member of the aristocracy who had befriended him. Unknown to Rasputin, several conspirators awaited him inside his 'friend's' house. Rasputin was feed several small pastries heavily laced with cyanide. After complaining that they were too sweet, Rasputin collasped to the floor. The Lt. Col. went up to alert his co-conspirators that Grigori was dead. He want back down to collect the body, and as he bent over the fallen form, Rasputin's hand shot up and clenched him around the throat. Even though he was a young, strong soldier in the Czar's army, he was unable to pry the iron-like fist of Rasputin from around his throat. He managed to pull his pistol from the holster, and hit Rasputin in the face with it. Grigory released him, and his eyes rolled back into his head. The Lt. Col. stumbled away, attempting to catch his breath, as Rasputin tried to stand up. The Lt. Col. shot Rasputin in the back, and Rasputin fell. He went back upstairs to once again tell his co-conspirators that Rasputin was dead. As they all went down to check the body, they discovered with shock that the body was gone. They ran out to the court-yard and saw Grigory attempting to escape his perilous situation, and gunned him down once again. He suffered two shots to the shoulders, on to the base of the neck, plus the one from earlier on his right shoulder. They took his body, and dumped into the Neva River. When his body was removed two days later, his hands were clenching the cross he always carried. If you need anynore information about him, message me.

Really, I think he was just a great con man. He was able to worm his way in through the Czarina who was just so naive. She was a German princess, actually, and I don't think she knew what she was getting herself into. Alexei aside, those poor girls didn't need to suffer the way they did when they died.

"according to what i've read on his "curing" of the young hemophiliac son, what he did was simply tell everyone to leave him alone and do not touch him...at that time leaching was a large "doctoral" practice and this obviously would make the hemophilia worse...by not allowing the boy to be prodded and poked and sucked upon by the leaches, he gave the boy's blood a chance to settle so to say...if a person suffers from a severe form of hemophilia even a small bruise can be dangerous...if he wasnt being touched and wasnt being allowed to do things that put his body in danger, his body basically healed itself"

A small correction. You've correctly deduced that leeching isn't an effective treatment for hemophilia. However, blood settling is exactly the problem. A hemophiliac's blood cannot clot, and has a tendancy to pool in the joints and muscles causing damage to the tissue and to the synovial lining between joints. From my research, Rasputin wouldn't allow others to see him treat the boy, which led people to believe that he was using witchcraft to cure him. Likely what he did was any combination of rest, elevation, ice, and compression. All of these techniques are simple and designed to help the blood flow out of the affected area. I would suppose he didn't want anyone else to see what he did so he could keep his high position in the court. Another common myth is that small bruises or cuts pose a threat to hemophiliacs. While hemophiliacs tend to bruise easily, the bruise or cut merely affects the tissue which is healed by the platelets. The platelets of a hemophiliac function normally, what they lack is one or more clotting factors normally produced by the liver.

Why is it when you have what are considered *unusual powers*, it is conisdered evil. Everyone in there own way has unusual powers. Rasputin, was an extraordinary being.

Rasputin is consistantly called an evil man. They claim his powers came from the devil, and that he lived to con and manipulate those around him, so that he can reach a higher standing of political power. I figured that people at this site would know better, as many of them who claim to practice witchcraft or some other art, insist that they are not evil. History shows that he has done nothing to constitute evil, yet plenty shows that he is good. Stop falling into the trap of societies lies, and view others as you would wish to be viewed.

I've seen toys of him, portraying him as a complete nut, along the lines of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre guy. Howver, I am astounded that so many people know about him. If anyone could tell me, in what era in history did he live and where?

Rasputin lived in St. Petersburg/Petrograd, Russia, in pre-October Revolution times. This is when he became famous.

I am one that loves the history of the ill fated Romanovs Marie the middle daughter being a person I look up to... I Believe Rasputin was a man that knew how to talk and was a doctor for his time. He understood the what was needed to be done. He was poor and a pig but that does not mean that he didn't see some way to help. I wonder if he was right if he would have lived would the Romanovs survived the war?

He is someone i would have not feared but enjoyed to be around! Power or not i am intrigued!

He was a Bastard, Myself having hemophilia he did more damage than good. He was a minipulator and a trator to Nicholas. The masacare of the family was no doubt aided by his influance. He was a preditor that played on the suffering of a young boy and a mother desperate to help her child...

Daswolf... To say that Rasputin aided in the so-called 'massacre' of the Czar's family only shows you have little idea of what your talking about. Besides the fact he was dead at the time, they were killed by the Bolsheviks. Also, the boy would not have lived for as long as he did if it were not for Rasputin.

I often wonder about the extent of his sexual powers. After all his enemies removed his Penis and i am unsure if this was just done to de-masculate him.

He is quite the intreguing subject, Poisoned, stabbed, shot, and ends up dead from drowning, he magickly heals the Czar's son numerous times. But was all around a major drunk. I love it.

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He must of had some kind of powers. Really amazing figure in history. Probably could have risen to much greatwer power if he wasn't connected to the german born Tzarinna(sp)

i think he is a interesting person in history and i would like to read more about him
i think he would have exsisted

he was a strong person who was able to influid others i think

I don't think that there is any question over his existence...

And indeed, he would be a strong person of great influence, to have the ear of the Tzar.

My beleif is that he was a very brilliant and skilled man.

Ninjas had great skills in stealth,
this gave rise to legends of them having the ability to become invisible Transparent).
I beleive that Rasputin's powers are simply a legend spawned in a similar way to the legends of ninja powers.

We can all agree that Rasputin was a very powerful man. And I'd like to add my thanks for all the info about him I found here.

The ways I heard he died included being shot (a lot), poisoning, being "beat to death", and I even heard they castrated him...and a lot of other things that slip my mind right now...

wow i never heard of them cutting his cock off...how sad. I think that Rasputin was a religious person that meddled in black magic because there certainly was something very different about him. But I cant ignore the fact that he was a very manipulative person all around.

He was a man of power. For some reason I idol him even if he was a evil basterd. Sence he was married I have no idea why he was called the "Mad Monk".

I think he is fascinating, but more then likely he didn't have much " magical " Power in that way... Of course that is just me ... and I am extremely.. well .. I don't believe thing without proof as I have said heh... or a high reason and logic I should believe in something, So I am going with con man.

O_O Wow... You mean you have never once in your childhood watched Anastasia at least when you were little? I used to be obbsessed with that movie .. then my mom told me parts and bits were real >.

I write a bit about Rasputin...
Was a Strange person..

Look here and think...

My Journal entry.

I have studied on this quite a bit, and apprently he was a "holy man". My opinion is that he just happened to get there at the right time *juss as Alexei was recovering* and pray over him. However, I guess I have not read quite enough on him to form a real opinion!
Shadowgirl

this is a story i am not familiar with so i will have to do some research

Rasputin must have had amazing powers I know little bit from the stories I read. I would like to learn more about him though.

i find rasputin quite an amazing person although he did sleep around alot and got drunck so you cant really call him a spirtiual person but to be posioned shot and pushed into a river in the middle of russia's winter and to survive exept from being frozen he must have been somthing of a very powerfull being or maybe just another jesus

Am I the only one who doesn't know who he is? (sigh)

I think that yes he probably does or he's and extremly good con - artist.

I agree....he was a master manipulator and a con man.

I agree with the guy above.... i mean he was great at it...

Rasputin was alot of great things, but most of all he was a great manipulator. he is an interesting fellow. but he got what he deserved in the end

History is written by the winners...

Rasputin was gifted both in his charisma and in his drive for power. I don't think that can be argued. He made his way from rural Siberia to the royal court of Imperial Russia and held sway there for years.

His enemies despised his sway over the Tsarina, his sexual exploits, and his less than cultured style and yet it can be said that he was brilliant in his quest for power and in his ability to near mesmerize those near him with his stories, his piercing gaze and his fearless disregard for those around him. There was no event too elegant or formal that could keep him from acting exactly how he chose.

He was aware of the rumors that swirled around him daily and either ignored them or amplified them but never does it seem did he fear them. One has to argue that he lived his life with no master and to the fullest of his possibilities (especially given his meager beginnings).

I can't claim to understand his total motivation or whether he indeed had any powers in the metaphysical sense. I also won't claim to understand the time in which he lived. Surely taking advantage of a court of fools is hardly a crime when compared to the royal line that cared more for games and pleasure than for their own people.

i agree with felixfelix.. my respect you said it better then i ever could have said it

Very well stated Felix

I am very educated on the story of Rasputin, the Tsar and the execution of the royal family etc. However I have mixed feelings about Rasputin, my instincts lean more to him having been a fraud. I could go on and on about this subject.. lol

Genuine Blood and Life is Killing Me- Thanks. I think that while we can acknowledge that Rasputin might not have been the most tasteful person, the court of Nicholaus was like a bunch of spoiled children. They often spoke in French as opposed to their own mother toungue and like most royal families in history, they walloed in luxury and games and gluttony while many of their people starved. I've read that Nicholaus didn't even want to be a Tsar/Czar. He found the whole 'job' to be boring and stressful. The family would often forsake their duties by taking long vacations away from the capitol where they could play and enjoy themselves without the hassles of government responsibility.

It's not to far of a stretch that a poor peasant class monk upon becoming intimately familiar with such a family would have little compunction about using them for his own purposes or that he would worry too much for their reputation. It's very likely in fact that upon seeing their excess and lack of national duty, that he would purposely sully that reputation in an effort to pay them back a notch or two.

well stated

I believe he did have some kind of power. However i do believe in witchcraft quite strongly.

Twisted Faerie- Do you believe that all witchcraft or powers need be supernatural? I've read that his gaze was so powerful that people couldn't stand to look him in the eye for long...but isn't a powerful charisma and force of will something that can create that same reaction (call it the Alpha Wolf scenario).

et all- Admittedly, there are some aspects of Rasputin's life (and death) that are hard to explain. Likely (since we're talking about a long dead man) those answers will never come to light. He left no diary that anyone has found, and his detractors destroyed much of his history. But the morality of it is what I find VERY interesting. We claim that Rasputin was an evil man...a man who people (and cartoons) have claimed sold his soul for power. Yet here we have the real power of the throne shirking it's own duties...a royal family that for all intents betrayed it's people through neglect and carelessness.

Granted Rasputin cut a striking and forboding figure...but in that sense, I can appreciate how that might add to his powers of charisma and intimidation (much the way a vampire would neh?). Madness was perhaps simply what those around him saw instead of the sharp mind of a man in control not only of his surroundings but also the in control of the rumors and powerful figures in his surroundings.

I am wary to suggest that he is some kind of hero. It is just as likely that he was a parasite or a skilled manipulator...more likely in fact. But does the weakness and carelessness of his royal hosts justify his misuse of them. Was he just one more predator in a less moral jungle. Surely he would have been condemned to poverty and forgotten (or never heard of) had he not exercised his 'powers' in order to achieve his status.

I dunno, but any man who can be shot, poisned, kicked, beaten, ect... and be thrown into a river... and still not be dead...
well, at least they knew he was alive before they threw him in the river, and they never found the body. Is not natural.

I've no read too much of it, but in some documents he was defined like the "crazy monk" (excuse me if i don't link here those websites but they aren't in english). His figure is definitely mysterious and fascinating, but i think he was just a brillant smart man who got the luck and the intelligence to use what was happening in russia in that time to get fame and fortune... for his bad luck aristocracy noticed that and they tried to get rid of him till they succeed.

I think he was truly able to do amazing things, it is not unheard of for those who appear 'crazy' know more than they seem.

He may never have existed.

Not trying to be confrontational, but do you have anything to back that statement up Jackel?

well said FelixFelix and yes the man existed there are portraits of him I think he may have been a paranoid but brillant person very much the con artist

wow after rereading... his member was removed... Owie...

I believe personally that Rasputin did not have any real power. His only real gift was that he was a charismatic person alot like Hitler and I dont mean to offend anyone but even the so called Jesus Christ. They all had a personality that drew people to them. But this is just my opinion.

i dont know he might have acording to legand he caused the russain revolution by putting a curse on the zars family. he may have had powers but i cant say forsure.

Rasputin is one of those people from history who has held the interest of many people. I think he may have had something in the way of power. His powers of persuasion were strong and he knew how to get a worried mother on his side. His ability to size up people and stituations was strong enough that I think some may have considered him one good fortuneteller.

Thank you for posting this on the forum.

Brava Lolitamarie

Until now I have never heard of this man, but now i have to agree that he was a strong man.

Rasputin is in history books and some novels...Check it out StarBoo

Mikhail - Thank you and not to be too cliche but are you really paranoid if everyone really is out to get you? He was well aware of his enemies and their plots against him (both socially and physically)...his undoing was probably his ego in believing that they simply couldn't succeed. I don't think he was paranoid so much as accurately aware of the jealousy, covetiousnessm, antipathy and hatred in the circles around him...That's not paranoia - it's recognition of reality.

I am just speaking from something I found in a Psychology Text FelixFelix On Rasputin..What I like about what you say is that you come to the point ina subject what you say is concise..Not endless dribble I have noticed on some threads here..No Rasputin had every reason for Paranoia...I also believe that Paranoia isn't an unhealthy thing to have in most cases

What amazes me is how Rasputin could get so many women to go to bed with him. His personal hygiene was sadly non-existent, from what I remember from A & E's biography of him. And did he not have a wife somewhere along the way?

Ummmmmmm I have never heard that before. About him being married

Well I stopped reading midway through the thread because I felt this was going to be discarded for length, so here is what I know...

first off there is an early black and white movie of that hall scene, he gets shot stabbed, put in a bag and then they throw him in the river where he gets shot again as he sinks. It is a black and white subtitled movie from the 1920's.

He was a Svengali, that is all there is too it.

As far as healing the hemo child, he probably had travelled to the Sanbdwich isles, The Hawaiian isles and ate some pineapples got his Vitamin K up, then gut himself open and poured his blood ontop of the childs wounds, so that the vitaimn K would combine with Rasputins Keratin, and cause a scab. Hemos never heal, he must have supplied his own blood, Hawaiian style....

OK yeah right

why is it most anybody who is open about liking sex or enjoying there sexuality is condemened as being "evil" or satanic worshipping the devil etc... why can't someone enjoy their body without being bad

Bloody Gurl - well in Rasputin's case it was probably more do to the way he thumbed his nose at society in his sexual exploits. He wasn't simply enjoying his body or his numerous women friends. Rasputin was loud and brash and allowed the rumours of his trists with prominent married women to flourish thereby harming the reputations and standing of these women in 'polite society'. This direct animosity toward the upper classes is what earned the majority of their ire not the act of sex but his use of it as a weapon against the upper class.

Rasputin has always been a historc figure who's legend was full of mystery. It's been years since I've done any reading on him, (KUDOS BTW for posting this thread!) but if I'm not mistaken, wasn't some of his troubles started because he was rumored to have had an affair with the tsarina?

It's been talked about earlier in the thread...not only did he possibly have an affair with the tsarina but with countless members of the 'aristocracy' of Russia...and as I just said, he was by no means discrete or polite about it. The tsarina affair isn't confirmed but many other affairs were.

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