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all things and creature canbe kill but since technicly vampires are undead...its kind of confusing as to say if its right or wrong but i would think it depends on the doing of the vampire not the reputation link to it

Killing is equal as suicide.

Killing is a necessary part of life/death,

Killing in my opinion happens every day, whites, blacks, male, female... it doesn't matter who is killing, all that matters is motive

If you were talking about people killing vampyres... well that would depend on motive for the killing

Vampires, and all creatures, must kill in order to survive. Nothing wrong with that.

Nothing wrong would be a lie.
Take a look at chain reactions after,
Vengeance,revenge,karma and so on.
It is nothing wrong when one imagine
inside of brain about it for that.
I still find it as foolish matter.

in my thoughts, what vampires do is not killing, it is feeding, same as with cattle for the meat they bear, they are raised for food and are put down to be consumed, so i dont think of it as killing. just my thoughts.

I do not believe that killing has anything to do with feeding. Yes killing/death/rebirth/life is apart of that natural cycle..but in no way does feeding and killing go hand to hand..yes draining someone of there energy or a bit of there blood..I don't think we can drink that much with just a one on one sitting for some dinner..

I can drink up to a gal. but I chose not too

Killing is killing no matter the killer. It is no different/should be no different than anyone else who does it. A vampire has no more justification than anyone else.

wow anti, every post you do just shoots down every idea posted, well I say killing is just another part of life... every species does it no exceptions, it is just viewed differently by each species

wow, I don't think you have read all my posts. And by the way, there was NO set idea for the question he asked OUR opinions, or did you not read it? look again.

If I believed that the mythological creatures (the vampire) existed, then I would probably view the idea of their killing similar to how animals act/react; as part of their instinct and nature.

However as stated by a few people, if you are referring to living vampires; then there is no need for them to kill. So any reason that they would give to justify killing would be false.

Really what this question seems to asking people to define their moral feelings on killing. Do we allow for it as part of the natural cycle, or do we hold ourselves more to a moral ideal that nature does not follow.

Most vampires don't kill. I think I am a violent exception though. When I go through any major emotional shift, I become violent. When my grandmother died I went out and killed a fox, two rabbits, and a cat. Another time a girl kissed one of my "doners" and I killed a cat, drained the blood from it. The next day I threw the blood at her, and then the carcass.
It scares me when i get like that

To the people that proclaim that it is "ok" then why aren't you doing it? celebrate your beliefs, back what you say up. Point is, we live (most of us) in societies where it is flat out unacceptable. Yes, yes we know it is "natural" but it is also natural to not shave or wipe your ass, so, yea.

Yes Sacred, you are right.

Well I for one eat meat.

To get that meat- an animal is killed. This is a fact.

Do I like the aspect that by my very living something else must die? No.

However I do not view vegans as escaping this moral dilemma as plants are also living, they just do not have consciousness in any way that is scientifically seen or explained.

Back to the question that Anti posted, why do I not kill if find it part of the natural order? Well I do, but in an indirect sense. I go to the market and buy my food.

In relationship to Vampires, I will again bring up what MrD said, "Any vampyre that considers that they have no choice is the victim of a mental aberration, self inflicted or brought about through acceptance of heavy cultural context. Either way, we're talking about mental illness here."

I agree with AntiEveryone point well made. Unless some here could be participating in what they believe. We wouldn't know till they found the bodies and where doing a show on A&E.

Very true that yes, eating meat requires an animal to die. BUT I am not so sure the question was about any other creature besides humans...or was it...I assumed it was about people. And if that is the case we could ask why are humans more important?...it could go on and on sometimes I am not so sure they are.We are all animals we prove that one every single day, some are just able to walk on two legs.

as long as they dont turn some one stupid in to a vampire ten all is well it is with me

The vampire of myth was at the top of a food chain that included humans. It thought no more of killing a human as we would killing a cow to eat its meat. It killed to survive, nothing wrong in that.

The modern folk who have taken on the name vampire are not at the top of the food chain. I don't think there is a need to kill people to survive.

Mrd and antieveryone make a good point. Vampires who chose to kill in the present day will have to justify what they have done the same as everyone else.

yes, indeed there is nothing worse than such a crime unjustified. And I know no one who can say they MUST kill people in that way for that reason to live.

Yes AE that was the point I was trying to bring up.

Why do we allow for killing as natural and make an exception for animals/plants? I too took the initial post to be in relationship to human killing, and since it really seems to be asking us a moral question, choose to expand on it.

That is the way the world works, like it or not. People have families who love them, not to say animals are not loved but...idk. Also, the human brain evolved BECAUSE of meat, without meat we would NOT be as we are today, it has been proven without a doubt that meat is what gave our brains what they needed to be able to make tools...etc, cooked meat that is...but my point is, we HAD to have it...now? I am not so sure, but it is habbitual.

So AE in being predators, we used the proteins we gained by our food to evolve. Why do we now view ourselves as above the cycle? More so, why do we perceive predators as a negative state of being?

In truth this is a redundant question, as it brings up a moral dilemma that society has been working on for centuries. It is not whether killing is right or wrong, it just is. But it is the thought process/need of the killing is that seems to allow us to justify or condemn the act as being right/wrong.

I sum up my feelings on killing with a quote, unless of course anyone wants to talk about anything ive already said.

"Thou shalt not kill out of anger,lust or evil. Yet to protect that which is important
—self, family,liberty—kill swiftly and without mercy.
If thou art not willing to do this, ye shall lose all that matters to thee."

at least have a VALID reason i suppose.

it is wrong to kill wether you be a vampire or not.

A state of mind infulenced by books and films. People see something on TV and think it's possible to do it themselves.
It's not. It also always seems to reflect on the "Gothic" community and websites like this whenever a Vampire like kiling occours, the media blame places like this for influencing it when really it's funded by millions of dollars.

Is it really funded by millions of dollars and the media, or mental illnesses that are part of our social interactions?

Obviously Vampire Rave does not kill, but should a member do so… would not the action stem from a series of events that perpetuate the illness the individual has? Or potentially even the interactions with the community that the person lives?

It is not an either or question, as it is partially instinctual as MrD’s article shows (very humorous btw) and also related to the other factors within that individual’s sphere. To separate part from the whole, we miss the full reason and thus are unable to prevent history from repeating itself.

May be the answer lies with Freud, Jung or perhaps it is around us in our everyday interactions.

i agree with RavenEyes, killing has always been a way to survive for all. It is natural and instinct for one to kill for survival. i dont see that changing for anyone, vampire or not.

To kill someone with a bite--since this can be the only way I could see someone classifying a murder as being done in a vampiric manner--is quite difficult. The victim would have to be an invalid to not have the normal reflexes to get away from someones chompers. If this is true, then the murder would be commited using weapons common to any murder. To repeat what a lot of folks say, "Murder is murder." You are going to go down for it, no matter what. Unless you are stupid enough to leave a note... "Hi, I am a vampire, and I did this. Oh yeah, I am a memeber of Vampire Rave." Come on... I don't see this happening.

Have you not heard of the killings where victims have been killed, blood drained and drunk by the murderer?

Well I agree with the whole circle of life thing. I dont beleive that you have to kill someone to feed. There a plenty of people out there who will be a donor verses taking ones life. Know if its a matter of life or death or threatening ones safety then the natural thing is to protect yourself. I could not kill someone nor condone the taking of ones life unless it was absolutly necessary.

You will vommit if have that amount of any liquid in your body. Impossible. So no, I have not heard of this type of murder. I have heard of serial killers that drank their victims blood--Richard Chase is a good example.

Sorry, let me add more to this note the murderer will be leaving:

"Hi, I am a vampire. I killed this person, after I drank some of their blood. Oh yeah, I am also a Vampire Rave member. Is this ok?"

My first post would have sat better if it came after the question to me about my familiarity with this type of murder. She ask if I had known any cases, where the person was bleed dry. Now, when I spoke of the biting, I ment it in the sense that someone would be drained of their blood, completely. This is something that could be considered "Vampiric." Everything else, which I am sure by your wit you know, is considered caniballism. Totally different. This isn't Canibal Rave.

The one thing that I am getting at is that criminal profilers do not lable murders as "vampiric" in nature. Hence, my satirical note from the murderer. If you commit a murder, and you drink their blood, the authorities do not classify them as a "vampire"--the media does, people like us do.

I believe a vampire kills in order to survive..the same as people,if we're not killing a animal,it's a plant...so "vampire killings is surviving but just killing in the spite of fun..is wrong!!!

All carnivores need to kill to survive, we as humans do the same all the time. Think about it, every time you eat a burger or something like that, it came from an animal that was slaughtered. So why should it be so bad for a vampire to kill? They need to survive as much as we. Is it because they kill humans? What is the significance of a human, what separates us from any other animal? Not a damned thing. But I do look down upon the killing of innoncents out of spite, kill when you need to, not when you want to.

I beleave that for the right reasons killing can be allowed therefore everyone should watch because there are concequenses to your actions

Everyone's first response to this question is Vampires kill for survival. Well that's stupid because people/vampires/humans, won't be saying that when it happens to you personally. And then only because we're at the top of the food chain. When another creature comes along who tops us, what happens then? Eveyone will change their opinion and say that it's not right to kill to survive when killing isn't necessary to feed. Besides, Feeding isn't just about how much blood you take or if you can kill your victim, it's about manipulating your victim to succumb to you. Also, what about those vampires/humans, that use "Just killing for survival" as an excuse to kill? What happens to people's/ vampire's opinions when "Vampires" CLAIM to kill for survival?

As mrd said a while back....Mental Illness plays a role in this so called vampire killings.
So saying it's ok just to kill for survival is like giving permission for mentally unstable minds to go out there and kill. I think it's just a matter of reaction to a situation. And those that think you have to have a good reason to kill...what is a good reason?
Everyone interprets everything differently, so if some random person killed someone and said his reasons was because he thought that person was following him, then to HIM that's a good reason. Get what i'm saying?

Vampires by definition are biocidal.

Chambers’ Twentieth Century Dictionary defines a vampire thus:

“An accursed body which cannot rest in the kindly earth, but nightly leaves its grave to suck the blood of sleeping men, [women, children et al].”

A rather more comprehensive definition may be found on pages 27-28 of the book The Highgate Vampire, or, indeed, within the first five chapters of a concise vampirological guide titled The Vampire Hunter’s Handbook.

www.gothicpress.freeserve.co.uk/Bookshop.htm

Listen to the this link and then decide if this is something you would want to identify with and ever become:
http://www.gothicpress.freeserve.co.uk/What%20Is%20A%20Vampire.htm

To kill without provication is simply unjustified.
To take a life by Bloodletting is carelessness by the Vampyre(s) feeding.

The taking of a life for anything other than self defense or in the defense of another life is murder. It's wrong, no matter how they try to justify it.

to each his own , killing is just a means to death

It might well be a means to death, but to opt not to kill is to acknowledge the sanctity of life which is precious.

If you view it as being anything other why not choose death right now?

Still here?

You obviously value life over death.

That must mean something.

I never stated that all Vampire murderers were members of this site, if you read what I said you'd see I put that it reflects on sites such as this and on the Alternative community.
For example a while back some guy went into a school and shot some kids, they accused Marilyn Manson of driving him to it.

It's psychological.

everything must kill to survive and the onle people who look at it being wrong are those with morals, and its all a point of view

Killing is wrong. And bad. There should be a new, stronger word for killing. Like badwrong, or badong. Yes, killing is badong. From this moment, I will stand for the opposite of killing: gnodab.

Killing for fun is wrong but killing for food is ok.If you think About it killing is a very basic order of things.Some animals eat plants in order to get their energy. Adn other animals eat them to take get their energy. It continues like that forever. At some point there is a body that decomposes into the ground so that the plants feed off them. Killing is a necessary part of the cycle of life.

Humans should be above the basics of life. You know I can under stand the whole living of the land thing. But to murder someone is wrong. Some folks don't have a problem with it. All I can do is answer for myself.

I don't think that the life or death of a creature should be put into our hands. I think that is for a higher being to decide.

I don't like the thought of vampires killing. I think it's wrong to take someone else's life, except in extreme cases, like if they are slowly dying of some ridiculously unbearably panful diseases or something, and they want you to.

I agree with khystial... In some situations it makes sense, but not for most...

I will have to agree with Khystial also unless it was absolutly needed or a life or death thing I just couldnt do it.

Humans gotta eat, Vampires gotta eat.

Killing Is Not Necessary. I Generally Leave Them Stunned After I Drink A Certain Ammount Of Blood I Drain From Them. But Never Kill Them. I Only Kill Evil Doers.

Killing...hmmm...okay, well, here's my two cents.

Killing other humans is completely wrong in every way. There is no reason or excuse for it, EVER.

As far as killing animals. The only time that killing an animal is okay, is if you are hunting for food for survival. Beyond that, in my opinion, it is the same as murdering a person. No reason, and no excuse.

well i think vampire killing is natural i do it all the can't help it just happends

I'm a PETA type person/ Peop;e eating tasty animals. God put the animals on earth to be controlled and used by MAn. We are designed to eat meat. Any other crap is just like the people that think no one should own anything. All must be allowed to enjoy. I hate people that want to put they lazy ways onto others. If you are undead you are not human. That means Humans are cattle to you. Eat drink and have fun.

It is a fact of life that animals kill. so why not let the vampire kill for food. lions, tigers and bears (oh my) do it. lol. especially on the week and sick. one less to worry about.

I would kill if I could get away with it (humans or anybody that aggravates me)... but I can't. If I killed someone I hated (truly hated) then I wouldnt worry about it... If I killed some random person it might bug me when I think about their family and if it happened to me.

I don't like the thought of killing someone for the hell of it, but there is always a reason for it. Whether it is to feed or just for the hell of it. The ones that do it just for the hell of it are those that are actually evil. I kill to feed and that is it. I'm going hunting tonight because i am runing out of food.Some people want there to be laws against the hunting of animals. But that's retarded. If no one hunted than the population of the wildlife would exceed its capacity and they would starve.And what about the people like me who can only get their food through hunting. If hunting is banned we would starve, so essentially you would kill us.

Everyone kills things for one reason or another. Some for food others not so much. Killing is just a part of life weather you want to admit it or not. Same thing with Vampire killing. It is equil for everyone and everything. There is no way around it. I don't really see it as such a big deal that some do.

i think, if hunting/killing is in your nature, then whos gonna stop you? do what you want, humans have no say in anything they dont understand.
that includes the hunting of humans, i myself hunt, i never kill a human to satisfy my bloodlust, but i do kill when i have good reason to. say is someone figured out a way to kill you, wouldnt you kill em too?

I really think this is less about vampires killing and more about other vampires keeping secrets if they know someone has killed. Have you? Or you? Or you? Seriously, who would come up with a question like this if they didn't have a basis to ask such a question? If I know someone that was killing anyone I would first A: Get as far away from them as possible, B: Tell the authorities, and 3: I would tell the authorities.

Killing is only necesarry if it is in the defense of yourself or the ones you know.

To be the aggressor is to invoke consequence.

killing is a part of the life cycle but to do it in a malicious manner, for the sake of killing, with no motive is wrong.

In the days of old when danger of losing ones life was constantly around the corner, it may have been necesarry, and well convieced as a cycle of life,... but the powers that be have enforced order to the world, and therefore, it is one instinct best supressed until the danger surfaces.

It's a telling indictment of our modern culture that we even have to entertain the question to begin with.

To immitate the great Carlos Mencia:

Killing wrong? "Dee Dee Dee!!!!"

i say that if it is necessary than its understandable

Killing out of malice is unacceptable, but killing for survival is perfectly understandable, as is killing someone to get justice for a specific wrong. Notice I said 'specific' wrong. Not every crime has murder as a justifiable sentence, but I, as well as, many of you I'd imagine would have no problem killing someone who hurt my family or friends.

Killing for the sake of killing is wrong when you can just get enough feed

If vampires existed, then they would be at the top of the food chain. There wouldn't be shit we could do about it. That's life.

**That's a double-hinged question, depending on how you choose to think of it. In addressing the mythical or undead vampire, one could say that killing is a natural part of being a predator..and thusly the actions carried out are amoral. Such a action would be beyond classification as either good or evil, if we assume that vampires are much like wolves, lions, or other predators.**

If that were indeed true, then we would have to believe that the vampire has no more sentience than a wolf or a dog or cat. Every popular belief refutes this. Many would even have us believe they are a superior predetor than we are.

However, vampires are typically considered to be the spirits of dead human beings that are practicing a form a spiritual individuation. In this way, they could be just a conscious as you or I and have very much chosen to do what they do. So, the question then becomes..how would you feel about someone who was still alive killing otherwise innocent people to the end that they might continue living? This isn't to say that such a condition exists..but rather just a hypothetical question to address the idea that such a vampire might well be just as aware as you that the actions being carried out are, by traditional standards, immoral. The difference being, as etheric entities they are generally beyond the hand of Man's justice or judgement, and would have little reason to care about consequences.

Here we are talking about not caring of the consquences of their actions. This I also believe to be a fallacy. If they are indeed aware of their actions and the immorality of it, then I would hypothesize that no intelligent vampire would "advertise" it's existence by killing their food supply.

On the matter of living vampyres, killing is unecessary. The only reasons that a living vampyre might have to kill would be among the same reasons any other person might choose to kill. Either way, there are consequences to consider should the action of killing be justified or not. No living vampyre must kill to sustain themselves. Any vampyre that considers that they have no choice is the victim of a mental aberration, self inflicted or brought about through acceptance of heavy cultural context. Either way, we're talking about mental illness here..not a organic disposition to kill for blood or energy.

I totally agree with this assessment. Blood is too readily available by less savage means. I believe that a living vampire who kills does it for the same reason serial killers do....they are mentally unstable.

This to me goes more in keeping with ghouls or zombies. Unholy things reanimated with no thought or feeling except the need to feed. Even the vampire of folklore is given more credit than this. Let's also examine why this creature might stay close to home, so to speak. Ready food supply for one...in those times, the villages were few and far between. In these small villages, everyone knew everyone else, so how likely would it be for these creatures to feed on a stranger? It is also stated in folklore that they had to remain close to their gravesite. So, they couldn't exactly go for a stroll to the next village and back. My main point is IF vampires exist, they are sentient beings...and as such, know right from wrong. They are also good at camoflauge, able to blend in with the general populace. As a top predator, it only makes sense that this being would wish to remain hidden. Feeding would be in their nature, killing would not.

i could never kill anything but it is a natural part of life the food we eat the nature of the predator and man is the greatest predator on earth

but undead vampires may exist and killing for them is a natural thing as they are predators

When is comes to the vampires doing the killing I think it is wrong, we do not need to kill for any reason it is not acceptable, at least not humans.

When it comes to the vampires being killed there is also no reason at all unless it is on a personal level with a certain persons

killing is wrong if its human killing human or vampire killing human or human killing vampires or vampires killing vampires

In my humble opinion everyone is capable of killing the reasons behind it and a persons particular point of view is what will determine whether it is seen as right or wrong.

hahaha hollywood is what most of you thank of. Vampires are a kind of bat or pepole just like you or me. Pepole kill and that is just the way the world works.

I love the people that say killing for any reason is wrong. They are the prey that Normal man will devour. Humans and all animals are made so that the strong will survive. Morals are a man made way of protecting the weak. God has had killing in the bible and says that animals are under our control. If someone attacked you and you had a gun to defend yourself and did nothing you deserve to die. Survival is breed into us since Adam and Eve. You must stqay alive to take care of your loved ones. Giving your life to protect them. Giveing your life because you are a wimp is Just plain wrong.

Well this is a loaded question, but let's see...

Vampires killing seems to be completly normal, but that is probably the Hollywood influence. Some ppl will say that to survive, a vampire must bite and drink a human, and will always kill them. Others will say that a vampire does not need to kill in order to survive. If they had to kill to live, I would think the best way to do that is by killing the ones who are guilty. I really don't know.

You think it is so atrocious because you are taught that. Not to be kindly, or humane or any such BS. But because if you had the power to kill your enemies the government would have no control. Look at that woman, Ellie, that shot the guy that molested her son. They put her in jail. Because killing is wrong? BS! She was right! If you were a real vampire you would kill. To live yes, and probably enjoy it. It's not like your food supply would be on the endangered species list!!! I don't go around killing anybody and I have children, I'm soft hearted- but I also have a brain to think for myself. Killing is not always wrong. Do I think an individual could be the judge of when? Sure they could. I bet everyone would be a lot more polite in public! And more importantly, people that prey on children wouldn't be so quick to make their sick fantasies realities if there was a chance the family was going to hunt them down and make them pay appropriately.

a vampire killing can be many things, a need to eat, the trill of the kill and a sexal thing

If it ever came down to 'kill or be killed', I would not hesitate to put someone down.

vampires are a part of the food chain. predators feed on prey to survive. it is no different than a cat and a mouse. it is survival!

how long can a vampire go dormant for without killing someone or drinking blood, or is their a limit?

The only viable reason I can see for myself killing anybody would be in self defense.

When it comes to animals however, I really can't avoid meat products to begin with. I tried being vegetarian. My iron levels in my blood tanked and I was left tired and ill all the time.
Thus why super rare steak is part of my general meal time now.

I still think it's wrong to kill anything you don't have to. Always have, and I always will.

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