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do You believe that Vampires are MAsters .. of the world.. night.. of any lesser beings..

and if it is a lesser being what is considered a lesser being in Your eyes?

I do not believe in anything yet,you can tell
we keep increasing in numbers,each one's abilities to highest,our kins uniting tighter than ever before.Evolution just continues.
Nothing is lesser:)

nah, if you start feeling superior, you start acting superior and no one likes a pompous ass. :)

I do not think anyone is better than anyone else. I do think that people have different talents and whether we develop those talents and how well makes it appear that some are better than others. But as someone alreayd said.....when you believe you are better than others, no one likes the pompousity.

Ranking system in universe are gigantic enough to tell as you see.
Being better is one of motivations:)

There are certain orders to the universe and sometimes we feel so insugnificant in the big sceme of things

Like bankers, homeless street junkies, or used car salesman, vampyres can be true "Masters" only to themselves(rarely even that). There is no real criteria which sets them apart from any other human being.

*applauds mrd*

I agree. Although, and this appears to just be me, but there's something endearing about a pompous ass. *grin*

As far as masters of the world...well, yeah, I guess there's a lot of pompous assess in places of power, but are they vampires? Probably not. So while it's either an attractive or scary thought, depending on your view of vampires, they aren't masters of the world.

In his own weird cryptic way SimontheAntares makes sense. I don't think that vampires are the masters. If you think about it, vampires rely on others for their hunger satiation. That would make them the "lesser" and other people the "master"

Hahahaha,well thank you:)
About hunger,it goes for all,so that is why
i meant nothing is lessor in many ways:)

You are welcome SimonTheAntares.

We are all victims to hunger yes, but vampires are even more so. Not only do they have the normal hunger, but they also have the hunger for blood, or other energy sources.

I think the more any being thinks they are the masters, the more ignorant they prove themselves to be.

I would say that others are the victims of a vampyres hunger, though I would not say it is the other way around. I personally reject the idea that vampyres have no choice in being vampyres. This just seems nonsensical, and plays out like a crutch that these people use to excuse the responsibility they have for their own actions, using a groundless and mystical claim of being "deficient" to support it.

Thank you Mrd - well said.

We are but part of a whole, perhaps some are legends in their own minds, but no one masters another.. oh, unless they are in that lifestyle.

Love Mrd's responses...Master doesnt equat with as hole ALL the time..If you are a Master, in my opinion, a TRUE Master, then there is no reason to feel/act better than another, because you already know it..True Masters of any kind are humble and gracious to those around them. The ones that think they are Masters show there butt in time, revealing that they arent.

I guess since they are above humans on the food chain then they would be superior. I think that vampires would consider humans and other vampires weaker and/or younger then them to be inferior.
As for me, I don't think that vampires are the true masters of darkness, night, evil, humans, ect. If they can be killed by something or someone they believe to be lower then them, then they have no real power over anyone.

I wouldn't say masters persay as to elder vampires ones who have been around alot longer and loo over the younger ones

I would have to say that no matter how you see it or say it, that there are no true masters of anything. Because, after all, to be a master at anything is to be flawless at it, and yet everyone is in someway human, and all humans make errors by subconcious thoughts and actions. We don't realize that we do it, but we do.

Well put MRD and Darkestdesire. We are a part of a larger whole and we can only master ourselves. (which can prove a task at times lol)

First off, you got to understand something, Real Vampyres, yeah, we aren't masters of anything except ourselves. Second, we aren't undead like that in stories in such. We have a condition which makes us different on a spiritual level.

As in Stories, they aren't masters, they are just powerful and can live forever, they might be someones personal Master, but not a Master of everything or everyone.

I cannot say that vampires are masters by any means. The place on the food chain does not declare one a master of the other...

I would love to hear what the master vampires on vampire rave going to say on this:D

We aren't masters we are human like others and fallible because we are human...
Only a fool would believe they are a master of anything we might get to a point when we are very good at something but never a master and certainly not a master of other people....

Lesser beings?

there is no such thing, I am no more superior than a flower or a rock. As for "vampires" they are just as human as anyone else, they best realise it before their heads swell up too big. We all play a part.

I’m not going to lie I feel that I am above mere so called normal human beings for the simple fact that I don’t keep my mind closed. I’m very open to the world around me things that are seen by the naked eye and things that cannot be seen simply by looking. The fact that I opened myself to so many things in this world and beyond makes me feel way more powerful than others. Like they say knowledge is power.

I don't feel like either is the master, we are all in just different paths of life or in this case death, which ever it may be.

I do not believe vampires are superior than mortals or anyone else. However, I do believe that if it came down to it, they do have more ability to rule over other beings or be "masters of the world" as you say, solely because of the supernatural powers they have. Though that would be by choice to be controlling and rule others, not because they are born superior.

I don't think that vampires are any more masters of anything or superior to anyone/thing than humans or anything else. We have our weaknessess, and our flaws as well as anyone/thing else.

For once SimonTheAntares didn't say anything cryptic *gasp*

Anyway, I would love to hear what they say as well. But I still think that donors have some control over their vampire.

Like it was said before I don't think we are superior. Humans maybe food but think what it would be like without them just because we are higher in the food chain dosen't mean we don't need them or are any better then they are

We depend on them for the ONLY thing that can satiate the hunger. Doesn't that give humans some amount of control?

Since the overwhelming majority of practicing vampyres these days are psychic vampyres, I would have to no. Stealing the energy from your neighbor does not require consent of any kind. The only case where this assertion is true is when the vampyre chooses to indulge in blood drinking. This is obvious, as consent should be gained before physical contact of any kind..not just vampyric..is initiated.

mrd, These days even Psychic Vampires will ask for consent before feeding off another psychically.

Mrd, to each their own

My opinion to the 2 part question is as follows:

My belief is that no one is Master over another creature. That we all co-exist and learn from and take what is needed from each other, but do not believe that justifies "ownership or make us Master" over another.

So my belief of "lesser: beings would be no I do not believe in "lesser' beings

I believe that we all walk different paths in this life

*grin*
And that's why I love mrd.

Never apologize.

I have personally taken psychically from people who didn't know I was doing it. My view of it is; if it doesn't hurt them, why bother telling them?

No one is master of anyone, unless forced or both agree. Even if forced the person still might not see the other as a master.

I always feel weird butting in midway but I felt like adding my little bit for what its worth.
Generally no matter how high a creature is on the evolutionary/food chain another one comes along thats superiour. Humans were the top. Now by my some miniscule amount vampires are so what little suprieorty their is should be enjoyed because what comes next may be a massive change. Not just minor cannabalism. Though that is very unlikely in my opinion. Well unlikely in the near future.

i believe that mortals and vampires are equal to some extent but if you look at it in this way- we are all masters of our own reality and lives

No Vampire is the master of Anything Without earning it first

I would say that there is a "Master" in all of us. It is a matter of whether we know who to use it on and when to use it. We ask ourselves, sometimes without knowing, wheter or not it is right, fair, or even fun to use that side of us.

Respectfully,
Illuminati

I don't think anything in this world is really a "master" or a "lesser being". Everything depends on something else in order to survive, so, in my opinion, that makes us all equal in a way.

i think everything is really equal no one is better than anything or anyone else... you might have diffrent skills but that dosent make you better than someone else.......it just make you unique at something ..........

If vampires were masters, they would rule, not hide. I think they are still in fear. Even "Bush" comes out in the daylight, and he thinks he's a master.

Short and blunt ...NO

just no

We can master many things, but the world is not one of them.

i have to pick up something mrd said..

being a master means that you have controll over your own life first. you must be able to determine what happens to you and what not. to follow your ways and keep loyal toyourself. only then you can master someone or something else.

but what should a vampire master? a human that dies after a while? another vampire? land? wealth? and why should he do that as he doesnt need anything to live but his freedom.

you might think about clans now and their ranks but every strong vampire leaves a clan sooner or later and wanders on its own.. only in times of war they come back to their home to protect what is dear to them...

and then there are other questions to ask..
which vampires are able to be masters? which vampires deserve to be master? what are the qualification to master someone or something?
how should a master act?

this is a very interesting thread though and if someone wants a really deep discussion they should feel free to contact me

Some might be masters but a master does not earn his title because he has a genetic feature, but more because he or she earned it by his/her abilities skills and accomplishement, lets think ofthe ones that are called masters already, DaVincy Master of the science and math, Cleopatra mistress of beauty,many have try to earn the title of master or mistress, still do they really earned it? do they really deserve it? Not amny really do, as for vampires since some are slave some are servant then maybe there ismasters but not master of the world would not push that fare.

I believe that we are masters of ourselves but that is all

I agree...we are only Masters of the things that we have control of....nothing else

I think Vampires are not Masters, well if there are they are in control of their own hearts and hunger. Not in anyway acually superior to others. Just because someone maybe stronger than the other, doesn't mean better.

I don't suppose any can be a master of the world, as we all seem subject to its own whims and changes. As for the role of master over others, dominance to me is more of an individual trait; I don't believe it is the race (or what have you) that makes the Master.

I refuse to believe in "higher beings". I don't want to think that there is something so powerful out there that it can control me.... And if there is, I don't want to know about it.

just because something is on a higher spiritual or evloutionary plane/path does not mean it will control you. quite the contrary..It would not feel the need to, as opposed to the lowly beings that try to control everything and everyone around them

we are all equal to call someone master or mistress is not due to lines but through choice....although being a UK citerzen we have to acknowledge the Royals as our Masters.... *grumbles*

I think its an idividual thing. One cannot master someone/thing until he/she has learned to Master oneself.

I have seen nothing to show me that vampires are masters of anything more than their own actions.

There are many degrees of "mastering" anything . Not all Vampyres in my eyes are masters of anything . As well not all "masters" are truly Masters . I do agree with some of the posts especially the one that mentions a true Master does not need to flaunt his authority he is simply what he is and is does not need to prove things .
As for looking at someone as a lesser being . My slave is not a lesser anything , she is simply My slave . A slave is a reflection of her Master and Master is a reflection of His slave . If My slave was weak or foolish what would that say about her Master ? That Master is only smart enough to Master a fool or that Master is only stong enough to Master a weak willed person ?
One last thing . I care for My slave dearly and I love her as well . So think not that a M/s relationship is all one sided and there is no love . It is simply straight forward and is what it is . No it is not for everyone , but neither is vanilla life either .
V S

i think it is all a matter of opinion. greater or lesser depends on one's definition of what a master is. i dont feel anyone deserves to be recognized as a master or better. you shouldnt put others on a pedastal.

Hmm you know thats a good thinker i guess it can be portrayed in many views and ideas on what people think but i think ill have to think on that one

It is not wise for any being to think so highly of themself. There is always going to be someone or something that is bigger and better at least that is how we will see it.

I'm not sure there's degrees of mastering something merely degrees of things to be mastered. If you've 'mastered' it, then you're at the top. There's degrees of expertise without claiming to be a master.

Obviously, the relationship you talk of isn't really the same definition so I'm not implying anything there except maybe that the idea is total control if we're keeping things similar.

No one person can rule over another. Vampires are mostly on the same page as any other being, and are no better than the rest. Speaking for myself, I think that the idea of vampires being the master of someone else is the equivalent to the slave trade, I.E. no good.

masters we are not , lesser beings we are not , so what are we ? ,we are all just beings no greater nor lesser than the next when it comes to mind the only truth in life is that we area born and evetually we die , so we could not possibly be masters for if that were true we would never die

I believe that they are many different levels on this universe but I do not believe we are the leaders.

The general consensus would seem to scream - no. I think this topic has been explored sufficiently; good posts though.

- D