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what do you think?



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Thanx MsDutchess !!.. for finding a better version of the video i was asking about LOL..

this one loaded for me ..

and like someone in the article that i posted the link for said... it really looks like some sort of insect to me... BUT... i DO see the "shadow" that is mentioned in the article too ..

hhhmmm...



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Thanx that was eeirie, but I am sure they will find an explaination for it, like an aircraft or someones reflecting something down onto the screen, but it was quite impressive thanx for the video.



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kinda looks likea spider



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anyhting like that is possible, but to me that did look like a spider... but maybe its someone playuing with a remote car or somethig to that matter



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the light does have a shadow though



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Much better. Very eerie and interesting. Maybe a Lightening Bug with a real bright butt. ;-)



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ok thanks for reposting this.. at first i thought it was some kinda of bug but looking again its kinda big to be a bug dont ya think



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This is quite eerie indeed...

My aunt actually had an experience with a spirit which went through her body.. to make a long story short the spirit that went through her had died traumatically with a gun shot wound. When the spirit entered her body, she felt this very hot piercing pain to the point where she thought that maybe SHE was the one that got shot.. However, when the spirit left her body, the hot feeling left her as well.

I'm thinking that since there was a man with a gun that died at the courthouse and they said that he killed someone while he was there, that maybe this is the spirit of the person who died from the gun shot wound, hence causing the bright fire looking blaze in the picture.

I do see a shadow underneath and very close to the bright blaze, so I wonder if it is a spirit who died at the courthouse. Also, it looks small, so it may be a young girl.

I would have just shrugged off the entire thing except for the fact that I saw a shadow there and it really freaked me out; to the point where the little hairs on the back of my neck went up lol.



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In addition,

some say that the hotter the spirit is, the more traumatic or (for lack of a better word) stressed the spirit is. Also, it goes the other way, if a spirit is very cold then it could be from a traumatic stress. I'm no expert, but that's what I have heard. Plus, hearing that experience from my aunt leads me to believe in the flame/trauma.



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lol JayceEmirikol... a bright butt?.



Does anyone else see the shadow? look below the light as it travels



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that was really cool and kinda looked like a giant spider.



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I see it, but it looks more like a maniuplation or lense issue. The pixels don't seem to "blend" enough to be real.


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I don't think we will ever know. It is too easy to use photoshop these days.



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Notice the time stamp on the left hand bottom corner.



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It looks to me like something was floating in the air and the sunlight was reflecting off of it.



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To me it does look like an insect, but the shadow on the ground that follows it in the first part makes you wonder...



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interesting i think it's deffinatly a orb, and yellow i THINK usually means that it's resisual i'm not sure on that one tho i'll have to check and get back to u



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True... it does look like an orb, but most of them can usually be dispelled as dust or an insect... sorry... to many ghost hunter episodes...



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funny thing with the bright but lol to me i dont think it is soimething from photoshop but u are correct about it, i really think it was a glare on something that was moveing or it was something carring something shiney, maybe a rat with a mirror taped around it , it was to me something that someone had rigged but i cant say cause i wasnt there and anything is possible....with a bright but :)



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It looks like a bug, I was thinking a spider too. Just at 7 sec, when it is in the top right corner, you can see legs of what might be a spider...
neat to watch though. Thanks



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it looks like a spider to me but for all of those who think its phlotoshoped here is the story that goes with it


FreeNewMexican.com
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Video: What was it at the courthouse?
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June 15, 2007

By Jason Auslander
The New Mexican



'Ghost' keeps people guessing Apparition or reflection, that is the question.





A surveillance camera at the First Judicial District courthouse downtown captured a strange image Friday morning that left sheriff’s deputies, lawyers, clerks and judges scratching their heads as to what it might have been.

Some thought it was the ghost of a man killed at the courthouse more than 20 years ago after bringing a rifle to the building and taking several people hostage. Others felt it had to be a reflection from a passing car or a piece of cottonwood tree fluff. Still others threw their hands in the air, but somehow liked the image anyway or at least the hullabaloo it prompted.

“I don’t know what it is, but I think it’s neat that it showed up on a Friday,” said Sally Saunders, assistant to District Judge Stephen Pfeffer. “Now we have something to talk about.”

Deputy Alfred Arana first noticed the image when he arrived at the courthouse early Friday morning and began reviewing the surveillance video from the night before, said Sgt. Vanessa Pacheco of the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Department. Pacheco arrived half an hour later, and Arana said he’d seen something he couldn’t explain on the digital video and asked Pacheco to rewind it, she said.

When she watched the video, Pacheco was stunned. “It’s something unexplainable,” said Pacheco, who watched the 12-second clip over and over Friday. “I don’t believe in ghosts so I don’t think that’s what it is.”

The image, which starts at 7:27:11 a.m., shows a bright spot of light that comes from either the roof or near the courthouse’s back door on Catron Street — which is used only by law enforcement personnel. The light flits with buglike movements toward the west, appears to move across the front bumper of a parked police car and then traces a small semicircle in a gravel area in the frame’s foreground before leaving the frame at 7:27:23.

“To me, it looks like a person walking, but I don’t know why they have this neon light on their head,” said Steve Aarons, a lawyer.

The light looked a bit like a crab and seemed to crawl like a bug, though Pacheco and others who regularly look at the video said they’ve seen bugs on the lens before, and they don’t look like Friday’s image.

Perhaps the most bizarre aspect of the image is that it appears to cast shadows that look a bit like the movements of the invisible movie monster in the 1987 Arnold Schwarzenegger film, Predator. Many who watched the video said the shadows looked like legs. Mary Marlowe, another lawyer, said she saw hands in the image.

Courthouse employees debated whether it might have been a reflection. However, the angle of the sun didn’t fit with the image, and a large tree outside the door shaded most of the area from above.

“It looks like a reflection of something but the angle of the sun is all wrong,” said Juanita Sena-Shannon, a court clerk.

District Judge Michael Vigil said he, too, thought it was a reflection at first, perhaps from a passing car. But when he looked closer, he realized a reflection would have moved in a straight line, which the light did not. “It doesn’t make sense,” the judge said. “It is bizarre.”

Arana said the footage was clearer when he first watched it than when it was replayed over and over Friday. During that first viewing, he said, it looked as if the light had stars in the shape of a diamond that were each spinning clockwise. Arana said he had no idea what the cameras might have captured.

“But after I saw it, I even went to the door to see if anything was there,” he said.

Deputy Anthony Maes, however, had no problem venturing a guess. “I say it’s a ghost,” he said. “What makes us think we’re the only beings on this planet? It’s too weird.”

Maes said he thought it might be the ghost of convicted murderer Andy Lopez, who took nine people hostage at the courthouse in February 1985 after killing the wife of his original victim. Lopez, who had a rifle at the time, was shot by a sheriff’s deputy when he peaked his head out the back door, said Judge Vigil. Deputies originally thought the incident might have taken place in June, and the alleged ghost was making an appearance on the anniversary of Lopez’s death, though that proved false.

Joanna Salazar, a victim’s advocate for the District Attorney’s Office, said she believed the image was of a spirit. “It’s a little girl, and she can’t find where she needs to be,” Salazar said. “Somebody disturbed her.”

Candy Sisneros, a clerk, said she thought it might have been a ghost disturbed by the construction of the city’s new convention center across the street. She said her husband, a sheriff’s deputy, used to work in the courthouse at night when the county’s dispatch center was located there, and he used to hear footsteps, doors opening and closing and elevators going up and down.

Jude Torres, 29, has worked at the court house as a janitor for four years and said he sometimes hears noises at night in the building.

“You sometimes hear the cells — like the doors closing.” he said.

He also hears the sound of water around the building but figured the Judge Steven Herrera Courthouse is an old building. However, the noises mainly originate from the same side of the building where the light was seen, Torres said.

To Torres, the image looked like an insect or a spider. He said he’s puzzled by what he saw on the video and would dismiss it outright if it wasn’t for the Predator-like shadow. “There’s just no explanation for that,” he said.

Earl Rhoads, a public defender, had a different take. “I think what you have is a piece of material from a cottonwood tree,” Rhoads said. “I’m not willing to say it’s proof of paranormal activity. I think it’s totally explainable.”

Contact Jason Auslander at 995-3877 or jauslander@sfnewmexican.com.


Copyright © 2007, Santa Fe New Mexican; all rights reserved

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Interesting story, thank you for posting it. It gives more meaning to the video clip...



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just didn't want want to get slammed with copying



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I know.. plagiarism is frowned upon heavily on this site...



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but I gave the source,link and copyright ...sooo



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Very cool. If it is real, that was a good catch.



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very cool



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yeah! io saw the shadow..it looked as if it did have a body but then it just looked like a blob of light and fog...I dunno it was a niffty video though!



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freaky



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hum....wonder? Hum..who actually know? And as one has mention photoshop is so easy to use these days.



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Very interesting. I do see the shaddow and it doesn't seem to be a bug to me.



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thank you for posting this...it looks like an amomolie there insted of a bug for sure..i would really like to really check this out



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That was some awesome shit...I saw the shadow too.What the hell was it?



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it could be or not need better picture..sorry..



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I am not sure its a ghost but looks more like a bug crawling across the camera... its rather strange though, nice little mystery!



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like ive said before id love to see this thing..i tdoes look like something crawling but in order for m to know wsend it to me in my email and ill take a good look at it :D



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like ive said before id love to see this thing..i tdoes look like something crawling but in order for m to know wsend it to me in my email and ill take a good look at it :D



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I sent it to ya



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It does look kinda like a bug, but i am not for sure about it...



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very intersting however i dont think thats a ghost it kinda looks worked in but idk



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Anything is possible . However this video isn't very impressive , a shadow under some floaty doesn't convince me I'm witnessing the supernatural . Especially with all the tech available . I dont buy this one ..



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I think it really looked like a ghost i thought i could see a shadow and footsteps in the dirt maybe not



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I am not so sure what to think, but Wichhaven I did look at the timer on the bottom...odd



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ive seen the timer. it skipped. which is very odd. and did anyone notice a movement just before that thing appeared the moment you play it? its just above the spot where it first appeared.



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I dont think its a ghost
it looks like an insect maybe with a light been shined on it.



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It was pretty bright to be a ghost to me, light reflecting of it?



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well it could be but i don't think so



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I think that it could be a ghost, I did see a shadow in the film it had a sort of human like shape.



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Im not sure, it looked like a spider but there was a shadow that followed it



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i thought it looked real....



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I thought it was just a little fluffy seed floating around or something.



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I seen the shadow looks real to me, pretty cool



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I am skeptical. There could have been any number of manipulations to create the illusion of the ghost.


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I've heard orbs are angels.



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That was awesome ! Maybe it was maybe it want . who knows .



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03:13:46 Jun 22 2007
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I saw the vid hon it looks like a light intead of a ghost hon



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i looked at it again .. still think its too big for an insect.. but wish it was a clearer pic



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yes, i agree it's rather big to be an insect..
it's very hard to tell images in that video but it is very eerie..
the pattern of the light's movement is almost searching
could just be a good hoax, but i like it



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Now that it has been mentioned, it does look sort of like a light.



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hmm thats wild



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I would love for it to be a ghost but I dont think it is



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16:43:24 Jun 22 2007
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maybe it was a spider crawling on the camera!! lol jk.. well, who knows maybe it is a ghost...thats a pretty cool video, i havn't seen that one.



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LOL selfcreator you could be right too. I think it would be cool for it to be some kind of spirit or angel or whatever! Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.



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17:53:49 Jun 22 2007
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I couldn't say for sure obviously. I'm fascinated by these types of film and it annoys me to know end that their never very clear or high in resolution but it's still interesting. Most of the time I believe they get debunked as double exposure or glitches from reused tape in VCRs but with digital tech it's moving farther and farther beyond those problems and more into actual unexplained lights on video. I'd want to know what system the video footage was taken with, whether it was a system that reused media (tapes, CDs, etc), how often this phenomenon has occurred and if anyone has tried to reproduce the effects with any degree of success. However my heart tells me that i always hope for something more metaphysical.



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mabey it's one of those cameras where it doesnt show up with blue or green on... i dunno.



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18:36:48 Jun 22 2007
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umm ball lightning? idk? it mite b dust lyk in all th0se gh0st hunting sh0wsz



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Panthra
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this is something thrown or dropped to me the first movemrent looked like a leaf falling, for sure and the second part looked as if something was thrown past the camera, first its fast then it slows down hmm i dunno know



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kinda looks like a flashlight



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Leeambre
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Assuming the ghost wasn't intentionally made into the video with editing systems...and that it was simply not a moving light above the camera, I'd say it looks a lot like what ghosts appear as on film. Kind of blotchy. But one could never be certain unless it's completely genuine.



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darkchyld
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kinda blurry and looked like a big bug.



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Panthra
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who taped this , is it the security camera ?
was there any deaths here ? or haunted history



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01:32:15 Jun 23 2007
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ahhhhh coolie



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read the posts ...tells whole story



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at first it looks like a fly but then at a closer look i see a spider... but as one post stated photoshop is so easily used to "fix" anything. so im gonna have to go with "i really dont know"



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03:50:42 Jun 23 2007
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looks like it is a small spider that crawled on the lens of the camera



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Panthra
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i dont think its a flashlight on it, if you look at the trees youll see the same color as the falling thing, it really looks like a weired shape leaf thats falling down and with the other shot of the picture it looks like something was threw in front of the camera that was eith the same thing or the same color



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idk really, but considering the resolution on the footage, i would lean more to a leaf being lightly blown around... or maybe some random trash?



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06:53:59 Jun 23 2007
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That was too cool, it kinda looked like a bug hehe



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I hate to burst the bubble, but the answer is this:

It is a spider, the camera is filming through a piece of double plane glass, and the spider is on one side, and the car and such on the other. Its the two layers of glass with the small air pocket in between, that would give the spider a shadow at the right angles. Also, the sun light is making the spider glow, because its body is nearly translucent and the white balance on the camera is set in such a way that the spider is over exposed and completely out of focus. Any questions, don't hesitate to message me.



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Sleenxx
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It`s a very cool video , and story with ...
Thanks for sharring.....



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deadgrrrl
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who knows what it really is ? many things not explainable...



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09:41:05 Jun 23 2007
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hmmm cooky



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baroquewood
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11:18:03 Jun 23 2007
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I wonder since ghosts have no substance,so to speak,if one could cast a shadow.That only makes the mystery more of one I'm afraid



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05:18:38 Jun 27 2007
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I'm waiting to see back on the clip



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Though it could be something of a spirit, the movements look very mechanical and will most likely be proven to be fake.



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06:43:18 Jun 27 2007
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Wickedly sinfull I think



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After you watch it a few times it starts to look like a spider or bug...



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08:18:45 Jun 27 2007
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its definatly interesting.. though it looks... like a spider or something.. but again - its just as easy to have photoshopped it



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08:49:39 Jun 27 2007
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How neat, looks like an orb to me. I believe orbs are angels.



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15:40:14 Jun 30 2007
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interesting, i dont think it is a ghost possibly a mim mim light or something simular, guess someone will work it out



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That's interesting.. It looks like something floating along i noticed it was yellow and i also saw the shadow, but i dunno what it could be, i don't think well know though.



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RainFire
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16:52:30 Jun 30 2007
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I thought all Vampires had very open minds..

My feelings say unexplainable.

but genuine



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yeah! looks like a spider/look like someone tampering/looks like a human walking too BUT WELL I DON'T KNOW I COULDN"T TELL U WHAT WAS REAL AND WHAR WASn"T WELL B/C WHAT IS REAL

(check out my thread on drames and Para-Uni)

u'll see what i mean!!! i'm so lost!!!



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suavevamp
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quite possibly a ghost.but i wouldnt rule out ball lightning



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It could be a ghost, however in this time and age I couldn't be sure. There are a lot of ways to make a ghost appear by tricks of light and things.



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00:19:24 Jul 01 2007
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its awesome.



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Panthra
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00:28:08 Jul 01 2007
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i have had a few people look at this video on there pc for mine runs slow lol and rfom what they have said for 1 of them is a specialist in videos she said that it looks like it was done dilibertly for in is the same thing in the beggining and the speed of the camera



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it looks like a spider or other insect in the light. it could also have something to do with the shutter speed on the camera.



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05:25:40 Jul 01 2007
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nah, it just looks like a spider on there.



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VR System
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