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How powerful is a song. Some books claim that bards were originally a form of druid whose magic and knowledge was passed down and practiced through song. Modern politics and nationalism show that a song can move people to action and even war. Still others songs have struck very personal chords with each one of us in particular ways both by invoking memories and by subconsciously stirring emotion. I've read that ancient Himalayan monks had once practiced a ritual magic involving a song about llamas. How powerful is a song? What is it about songs and musics that affects us so deeply? Is it biological? Magical? Spiritual? How many of you have heard of similar songs like the "llama song" in ritual magic?




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to me a song is very powerfull.. and also it depends on my mood how a song brings to it....certain kind of music to fit to control the mood ..



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No. You didn't... just.. mention..

THE LLAMA SONG????

*plugs ears and waits for Artemka*



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i thnk the power of song is wonderful like when you sing in church you get a rush becuase you know you are singing to GOD



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I think song can be the most influential, powerful, and meaning thing you can employ.



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Can I ask what the Llama song is or will I be forever ridiculed for not knowing???


(oops too late =P)



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Birra - I don't know what you're talking about ;)

et al. - But is the power of song something that actually has a biological reasoning by releasing chemicals or could it be more spiritual. Babies respond to soft music. Plants respond better to classical then metal. Are certain notes more powerful than others.



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Music is vibrations and frequencies. The right vibration can move a mountain, or shatter a glass. So obviously these will have an effect on the mood or outlook of an individual.



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I'll let Artemka lesson everyone on the Llama song...

...but in an actual response to Felix, the power of song is vital to a lot of spiritual practices.

Music has been an integral part of religious ceremonies and other rituals in virtually every culture since man started walking upright. Tools designed for the purpose of making music or at least pound out rythmic beats have been found in archeological digs around the globe.

More practically, what does music mean to the individual - whether it be music to meditate to or music that makes you want to put the gas petal through the floor boards, music can effect your mood, your thinking, your emotions and your spirit.



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Start with the senses and focus on sound, and by that I don't mean just hearing.

Brain researches know where the ability to hear rests, but I don't think they've isolated the ways in which perception of sound differs.

Aside from the genetic attributes that gift an individual with perfect pitch, or the ability to carry a tune, or even sit at a keyboard and reproduce a melody heard once, the reception or perception of sound is unique to each individual.

I think some of us have a neural receptor that goes beyond hearing.

It crosses over to the other senses, works with them , mixes it up, bleeds into them if you will, so that the experience is a total body one.

Anyone who has stood alone in a forest, on the edge of cliff, or contemplated the world and nature from a solitary standpoint will recognize a certain rapture.

The experience is imprinted in a thousand ways in all your popping syntactical cells and translates to the senses: sight, sound, taste, touch, smell.

An artist might paint that rapture or put it in song, but how we recognize it is unique.



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I've always been very lyrically oriented so in many cases, the lyrics of a song are just as important to me as how it's sung. However, I know a great many people who either never cared to know the lyrics of their favorite songs or got them so horribly wrong but still managed to capture the right feeling of it.

So this means to me that many people can connect with a song based purely on an individual level or emotional tie that may differ completely from an artists original intentions.

I also know (having sung for years) that the power one feels during song is palpable. There is an 'energy' there for lack of a better word that you can feel and it's power to lift the spirit both of the listener and the singer seems self evident. But if you've had the experience to really sing out your guts on something, there seems to be something far more transforming going on.



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All songs have different feelings in them that we all feel.

Rock songs usually get us riled up.
Slow songs put us down and at times cry.



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I think a song can be very powerfull and can evoke many emotions. When someone I knew died they played eric claptons " Tears In Heaven" to this day I can not hear that song with out thinking back and feeling very sad...



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Do any songs seem to give a sense of power beyond normal mental or emotional empowerment?

To me, there are some songs that seem to almost create that electricity in the air that something big is about to happen. The metaphysical sense of untapped power. Have you heard a song and felt the need to be alone outside...perhaps with wind, or rain, or some elemental force pushing on you? That sense of introspection without sadness?

The chaos magician would state that since anything can be a source of magic, a song could become a focus for your internal power.

The druids of old may have felt this way too since much of their 'bard' ritual centered around song as a means of exercising metaphysical force on nature or people.



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I don't know about the power of song/music in ritual magic.

But a few years ago we had to rely on taped music at our church....the tape was awful, really slow and had an adverse effect on most people.

I have also felt a sense of elation singing with a large group of people....I felt 'the vibrations raise' as it were.



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As stated before many types of music affect different animals(in animals humans are included) in different ways.

I did an experiment back in high school about how music affect the body physically and mentally and it showed that the heavier and more violent the music the more violent the reactions are within the body. The softer and more calm music had a calming effect. This was shown by the rise and fall of blood pressure, heart rate, and facial reactions.

On a more metaphysical level I have used music for as long as I can remember to center myself and ground myself. I can listen to any type of music and get an enlightenment from it. It just has to have the right type of beat to it.

Having said that maybe its not the music that causes the power. Could it be just the underlying beat of the music that fills us up. The beat and flow of the lyrics or the beat of a drum could be what does it. Not the notes or words. But the thumping, almost like a heart.



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Sure there is.More than you might possibly imagine.Music is the universal language.Keyword? Universal.I have some stuff about it in the nature of magick thread and in my journal.Take a look at
Cymatics and the patterns certain vibrations create...for anyone who practices magick..look familiar?



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I know that the Druids, having many reasons for which they wrote down nothing conerning their teachings, they have created many songs so that those teachings of them would be easy to me remembered.
I believe that a melody accompanied by the right lyrics is quite able to touch the people's hearts and make them move/react/rebel/love/forgive.
In Tolkien's "Silmarillion", the world was created by the song of the first creatures (something like angels).
I believe that there is power in songs and in music in general.



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"In general, responses to music are able to be observed. It has been proven that music influences humans both in good and bad ways. These effects are instant and long lasting. Music is thought to link all of the emotional, spiritual, and physical elements of the universe. Music can also be used to change a person's mood, and has been found to cause like physical responses in many people simultaneously. Music also has the ability to strengthen or weaken emotions from a particular event such as a funeral."

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The above link has much more information people might find useful.

I personally consider music to be spiritual, magical, and biological all at the same time. It is fairly well known that children who learn to make music while in school have higher GPA's. I consider making music to be quite as outlet as well as listening to it. There is the physical outlet of the actual motions, the mental exercise of constructing/improvising what I'm playing, and a sort of spiritual release when you have and "a-ha moment" and break through to new territory.



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In my opinion the power of a song is wonderful, i can listen to my favorite band and they calm me, soothes me..Since i now follow the LHP, listening to my Master's songs, soothes me..It is an awesome feeling



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Muisc and Sound are both very powerful forms of Magick. Its the vibrations that each cord and note make. And, Yes, they do have very real physical effects.

Runist's practice a form of Rune Manisfestation. This involves the a chanting of the individual Rune's sound.
Each Rune has a particular Sound that when chanted at the right tone will manifest the Rune into a physical aspect.

I feel the same thing is very possible with songs.



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The power of Song is very strong. It changes your mood and even your life-style. What a lot of people are talking about here though is The Power of -Sound- which is a lot different then The Power of Song. This Thread is really good and pretty interesting. I think Songs have a History that goes back to a time....before time.



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ooops, it looks like my source link didnt work. So, here it is.

http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n15/mente/musica.html



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Music is indeed a powerful medium that can enhance your spiritual practices as well as enrich your life. There are notes and rhythms that can alter your mood even without adding vocals into the mix.

There is no way to measure the power of a song, and I imagine different songs affect people differently. Tones vary in indigenous spiritual music across the globe, but it goes without saying that music and spirituality have been joined since before records were kept.

As for the Llama song, who can even begin to comment on its power :P

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Hahaha, I had a feeling that was the llama song people were talking about. I actually held back from posting it myself. Stupid me haha. There is wisdom in that clip :P



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songs or music to me represents a period in life...good or bad...there was always music playing and if I hear a certain song it takes me right back to that point in time...



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Songs and certain music elicit emotional responces and link to situations in our lives....

Hrm.. certains types of music we relate to spiritual or religion.. I don't think it's necessarily more powerful than any other song. shrugs on that one....

Sounds and vibrations, rythyms are known to have healing powers. Some even correlate to specific chakras. This is something I'm currently trying to learn myself. ( google Sound Healing (Therapy)

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No.. Meeper... you.. didn't!!!!



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*slaps head at meeper's post and laughs*

The power of song is certainly there, I'm a musician and I know that when a chord progression, or a riff, or a haunting melody that I can relate to plays...I can feel it down to my core, I can't explain it but its a rush.
It's definitely emotional, or metaphysical. Nobody can doubt that there's nothing there if they've ever felt that connection.



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I have been put under a spell by the LLama song ........and I love everyone



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From here on out when ever I need to cheer up I will listen to the Llama song.

It took over me in a way that can't stop me from laughing.



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On a serious note, I am moved by the power of music, but not lyrics. For some reason, I have a hard time comprehending lyrics when I hear songs. I think it is my inability to multi-process the music (instruments) and the spoken lyrics.

Still, the elements of music really move me. The beat, the tone of the lyrics, the tempo, etc.

Now another great song of power:



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Oh well, guess I can't embed a phlem clip...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIyBms6k9vY



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what is actually powerful is the music the notes of music, scientifics studied and discover you can make a person cry, a person get angry a person buy or hate or thow up even do the exit back door on command simply by doing the perfect note that will touch your synapse in your brain to provoc the reaction, of course words mean something to and can be powerfull but, the notes played are the key and the ones who actullay have a physycal effect on your brain wheter you want it or not.



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We all heard about the power of prayer. Is the power of song so much different?
Love to post more but that Llama song did me in. O.o



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I think songs can make you sad or get you pumped up, but i do not think that they have power in them, i mean they are just songs nothing more, average people write and sing them thats it...



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Just because "average people" write them does not mean there isn't something much deeper going on.



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There is much power also in Chants and Mantras. Very close to songs.



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I never said that songs do not have meaning to them i am just saying that they do not have power to them people have power not a song, yes songs have meanings to them but i do not think they have power to them just my opinion...



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Fair enough. Here is some food for thought.

"The power of music to affect memory is quite intriguing. Mozart's music and baroque music, with a 60 beats per minute beat pattern, activate the left and right brain. The simultaneous left and right brain action maximizes learning and retention of information. The information being studied activates the left brain while the music activates the right brain. Also, activities which engage both sides of the brain at the same time, such as playing an instrument or singing, causes the brain to be more capable of processing information.

According to The Center for New Discoveries in Learning, learning potential can be increased a minimum of five times by using this 60 beats per minute music. For example, the ancient Greeks sang their dramas because they understood how music could help them remember more easily ). A renowned Bulgarian psychologist, Dr. George Lozanov, designed a way to teach foreign languages in a fraction of the normal learning time. Using his system, students could learn up to one half of the vocabulary and phrases for the whole school term (which amounts to almost 1,000 words or phrases) in one day. Along with this, the average retention rate of his students was 92%. Dr. Lozanov's system involved using certain classical music pieces from the baroque period which have around a 60 beats per minute pattern. He has proven that foreign languages can be learned with 85-100% efficiency in only thirty days by using these baroque pieces. His students had a recall accuracy rate of almost 100% even after not reviewing the material for four years.

In 1982, researchers from the University of North Texas performed a three-way test on postgraduate students to see if music could help in memorizing vocabulary words. The students were divided into three groups. Each group was given three tests - a pretest, a posttest, and a test a week after the first two tests. All of the tests were identical. Group 1 was read the words with Handel's Water Music in the background. They were also asked to imagine the words. Group 2 was read the same words also with Handel's Water Music in the background. Group 2 was not asked to imagine the words. Group 3 was only read the words, was not given any background music, and was also not asked to imagine the words. The results from the first two tests showed that groups 1 and 2 had much better scores than group 3. The results from the third test, a week later, showed that group 1 performed much better than groups 2 or 3. However, simply using music while learning does not absolutely guarantee recall but can possibly improve it. Background music in itself is not a part of the learning process, but it does enter into memory along with the information learned. Recall is better when the same music used for learning is used during recall. Also, tempo appears to be a key of music's effect on memory."

http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n15/mente/musica.html



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Everything that provide pleasure to human or vampire or others that are powerful.
Songs are very powerful bcz it provides pleasure to US (Darkness).



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Songs speak to your soul. I belive we can always hear song even if only subconsciously. Like how they tell you to play music and sing to people in comas. It awakens them.



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reading all your comments, I see the general consensus is that 'music' can move you. It stirs the emotions etc.
But surely a good book or film can be just as powerful and make an impresion on you!

This leaves me to think that like any medium, its a very individual thing, to a point of being 'impersonal'.



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A song's message is what is powerful to me. It does not matter what type of music or artist is conveying the message, that is what grabs a hold of me. Of course, I love a catchy tune and a good beat, but if the song is nosense, I will not like it for long.



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I find that only certain songs have the power to move me, its not just the tune of the song but the words that go with it. There are a few songs out there that can bring tear to my eyes by just hearing the first few notes this is because somethings in life have happened and certain songs remind me of this.



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only certin songs have powers to move me or what not.



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I would have to say that a song has a spiritual affect on us more than anything.

A song can have an affect on most people due to memories related to that song. Other songs can have an affect because of the beat and rythym of the song.



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when ya hewr a song you feel emotion of some kind so yes



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songs as they say can tame the a wild beast, yes a song can alter the mood if the song is felt within. can fill us with emotions of love,hate and even lust. songs have been used in almost all pratices throughout our history



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in my oppinion a song is very powerful.it sets every part of your body alive.it makes your soul,body and spirit come alive.



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i love music , but not all ... some songs make me going crazy and some make me feel very well ... :)



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In the absence of Artemka allow me...

here's a llama
there's a llama
and another little llama
fuzzy llama
funny llama
llama llama
duck

llama llama
cheesecake
llama
tablet
brick
potato
llama
llama llama
mushroom
llama
llama llama
duck



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To me a song can change my mood, some songs evoke certain emotions and paradoxal thoughts. But you don't need to know those do you?



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I do beleive in the power of song...It sets
the mood of the night.



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First encountered the llama song when sent to me by my fluffy PTA friends. Never thought I’d meet up with it again on vampirerave. I had so forgotten it, thought for sure we were talking some ancient Lama, as in the Dalai kind.

FelixFelix said: “biological reasoning by releasing chemicals or could it be more spiritual”

We are walking-talking bags of chemicals, but that doesn’t diminish the spiritual for me. It’s not a separate sphere. There’s the crossover that I referred to above, where different sections of your brain are engaged.

RavenKnight said “people have power not a song.” In a sense he’s right, because some people do tend to keep these separate parts of the brain differentiated, as if they fear boundary disputes, and this reduces their ability to feel “the power” of song. It’s a take it or leave it attitude toward friendship, spirituality, sexuality.

But what if you’re chosen? What if the music captures you?

FelixFelix said “there are some songs that seem to almost create that electricity in the air that something big is about to happen.”

Yes! Your heart speeds up, your mind races, as if the big WHY is about to be revealed, right here right now, an epiphany, a realization that involves one’s whole being.

That’s the crossover and the integration and music and song can inspire it.

It's just another language. It comes easy to some, and it can be learned.

JackofSpades said it well: “personally consider music to be spiritual, magical, and biological all at the same time.”



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There are many thorey out there and I do believe song can be very powerful



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um. . .llama song? Did I kinda miss something? Whats . . .?



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Holy Molly. I absolutely ADORE the Llama Song. Actually, during my intense Zoology course that song was our Anthem. It got us through the most difficult times in that class by adding laughter and happiness =) LOL
Seriously, that became our inside joke.

I love this song.

Maybe that is why it was a magical ritual song...made people happy ;)

ps: Music stimulates the psyche, the subconscious, etc...It is like a subliminal message {which is why many artists throughout history have been accused of using subliminal messages through their music to hypnotize or change the public's opinions about certain things}.



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I believe music and song is very powerful. I know it works wonders with me, and i think i have heard of the llama song, but i wasnt aware it was used in rituals..



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Music/song is very powerful.



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I believe music, song, and chantting are very meaningful.



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Ah yes Bloodlife,a good book or movie can leave quite an impression.But can a book break glass by the turn of a page? Or can a movie generate germination with a good scene? No.



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Well if it can alter moods or be used in psychological warfare I'd say yes music can have some kind of powerful effect after all it can also or so I heard help when your sick or depressed or your having trouble sleeping. It also been said it calm the savage beast and help aid in plant growth.



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I think that one reason why song and music in general are so powerful to us as humans is because like taste and smell they are a great trigger for memories.



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I have found certain music can alter my mood... When I'm sad I use to start off with sad music and gradually change it to a more upbeat tune.. This most always placed me in a better mood.



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Song is a most basic form of communication, shared by all cultures and religions. As stated before, music can calm people, or incite them to violence. Songs in ritual are very common and lol yeah the llama song was one of the first I learned. I think music is important to all of us, in one form or another, something tangiable that we can attatach to a memory (be it good or bad).



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Anything that can destroy or promote life is very powerful in my book.



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Ancient cultures knew about the power of sound long before the term science was coined. The spiritually wise men of India knew that the world is sound. From India’s Vedic scriptures comes the term Nada Brahman — “the primal sound of being” or “being itself.” Even four thousand years ago, India’s scholars and religious leaders understood that we live in a state of vibration from which sound derives and on which sound has profound influences.

Philosophers and prophets of old shared a common belief in the divine origin and nature of sound. In ancient philosophies and religions, sound (vibration) is the lead character in creation myths. The genesis of the universe — or, thinking locally, our planet Earth — is ascribed to the “Word” or the “One Sound.” Cutting across historical, religious, and political lines, Egyptians, Hebrews, Native Americans, Celts, Chinese, and Christians all have spoken of sound as a divine principle.

The roots of this belief in the power of sound can be found in the ancient cultures of the Ethiopians, Hopi, and Aborigines, as well as the temples of Greece and Rome. Many of the musical philosophies of Pythagoras have withstood the test of time.
In The Secret Power of Music, however, David Tame states, “Almost three thousand years before the birth of Christ, at a time when the music of European man may have amounted to no more than the beating of bones on hollow logs, the people of China were already in possession of the most complex and fascinating philosophy of music of which we know today.”

The Chinese dynasties compared music with a force of nature and held it in that level of awe. “The Chinese understood the power within music to be a free energy, which man could use or misuse according to his own free will.” The rulers and their philosophers believed that in order for their citizens not to misuse music — and for all to benefit from its optimally beneficent use — only the “correct” music could be played. Beyond entertainment, Chinese emperors believed moral influence was the major effect of music that they needed to control. And revere and harness the power of sound they did, for four and a half millennia, until the Ch’ing dynasty (1644-1912).

Worldwide, powerful shamans cured disease and mental anguish by coaxing evil spirits into leaving their victims through the power of chanting. Today entire villages, from Africa to Alabama to the Arctic, continue to drum, sing, or dance themselves into states of spiritual ecstasy.

The entire planet vibrates to the rhythms and sounds of music. No matter how primitive or advanced, music plays an inclusive and vital role in every country. It is an inescapable part of life: of spiritual ceremonies, social celebrations, child rearing, armies marching off to war, initiations, funerals, harvests, and feast days.

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Songs and music hold the utmost power. They touch a persons soul in a way that nothing else can.



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I agree that a song or just music in general can reach down deep within you whether it be your heart mind or soul.
It reaches us deeply on some level and affects us. And as it was said even if it is wrote or sung by just an average person makes no difference there is a meaning there somewhere and each person takes it as such however it may be.

Songs and music has been a very big part of historyand around since forever so of course it affects us on some level.

to comment on the statement by BLOODLINE: I would like to say yes a movie or a book is the same it is how we as take it in and there fore it affects us each even sometimes in a different way then the next.

It is almost like a lawyer saying something in a court of trial and the judge tells the jury to dismiss it.... How can you it is alread in your brain and thoughts etc.

Songs and music is truelly a big influnce on us in my opinion.



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Songs are very powerful. Some can move the soul and others can break hearts.



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I have pulled this opver from the nature of majick thread since it is covering the same topic.I dont even believe it is a matter of opinion whether or whether not there is power in song and/or sound.The evidence is pretty clear that there is....

Sacred Geometry and the Structure of Music

Legend recounts how Orpheus was given a lyre by Apollo. By playing his lyre, Orpheus produced harmonies that joined all of Nature together in peace and joy.

Inspired by this Orphic tradition of music and science, Pythagoras of Samos conducted perhaps the world's first physics experiment. By plucking strings of different lengths, Pythagoras discovered that sound vibrations naturally occurred in a sequence of whole tones or notes that repeat in a pattern of seven.

Like the seven naturally occurring colors of the rainbow, the octave of seven tones — indeed, all of Creation — is a singing matrix of frequencies that can be experienced as color, sound, matter, and states of consciousness.

This correlation of sound, matter, and consciousness is important. For as Stanford physicist William Tiller has proved, human consciousness imprints the space and matter of the universe. It is our intent that gives the direction and quality to Creation.

I believe that this matrix of Creation is waiting for us to sound the most harmonious vibrating chord — to sound the universe itself into a perfect, idealized form.

The Music of Atomic Shapes

The Platonic solids, basic shapes of Sacred Geometry, are five three-dimensional geometric forms of which all faces are alike. And each platonic solid represent one of the five elements of creation, as follows:





Tetrahedron — Fire
Cube — Earth
Octahedron — Air
Dodecahedron — Ether
Icosahedron — Water

These five Platonic solids comprise the alchemical dance of the elements and of Creation itself. My introduction to the spiritual power of sound began with an experience of this truth.

This happened many years ago, when I was studying with Michael Helios — who is for me a reincarnated Atlantean wizard. Helios discovered the musical proportions and corresponding tone scales for each of the Platonic shapes. He even tuned his keyboard to specific frequencies in order to achieve exact proportions.

During his presentations, he would play the scales and geometries of each shape, without disclosing to his listeners which geometric shape he was playing. Participants meditated on each piece as he was playing it, and then described which of the shapes they had experienced.

The results were extraordinary. Every Platonic solid was correctly perceived, felt, and "seen" during each of the five musical meditations. As a participant myself, this was my first experience of realizing the power of musical transmission and its potential to specifically re-order creation.

This is exactly what the ancient mystics and scientists had always been telling us!

The Dodecahedron, the Universe, and the Human Form

When Michael Helios played his five compositions, I was most profoundly affected by the Dodecahedron. This shape can be seen to represent the order of the heavens and also the perfect mediation between the infinite and the finite — the sphere and the cube.

So let us look more closely at this as one example of the sacred geometric forms that permeate Creation. Through seeing the simplicity and complexity of the Dodecahedron in its relationship of shape and sound, perhaps we can intuit the rest. And through understanding our relationship to the Dodecahedron, perhaps we can begin to sense our own place within the Divine Song that is Creation.

The Dodecahedron is comprised of twelve pentagonal faces. It represents the fifth sacred element, the divine potentiality known as "ether."

Considering that the Dodecahedron is made up of five-sided faces, it is fascinating that quantum physics researchers in the US and France have recently concluded that, based upon measurements of cosmic waves left over from the so-called "Big Bang," the universe itself is a Dodecahedron!

Besides the fact that there are five platonic solids and five corresponding basic elements of life, it can be shown that the entire human race is joined in these same basic sacred proportions. For the physical body, with the arms and legs spread, is overlaid by a pentagram, with the fifth point being at the top of the head and the reproductive organs at the exact center.

And each of these points also relates to the number five: five fingers at the terminus of each arm, five toes on each leg, and five openings on the face. Additionally, we each possess five senses of physical perception.

So the Golden Mean proportions of the cosmos and our body temples are closely aligned with the harmony of the musical fifth.

If we can imagine the dodecahedronal-pentagonal shape of this One Song that is the universe, together with the pentagram geometry of the human body, we find inherent in both a divine proportion and a potential for harmonic perfection. The universe and humanity ARE singing geometries. And it is we ourselves who embody the geometry of the cosmos!

Phi and the Musical Fifth

To follow this discussion, we first need to know that the Golden Mean and the Pentagram are closely related. For the angles of the five sides of a Pentagram are at a ratio of exactly 1.618 — the Golden Mean ratio, known mathematically as phi.

The fifth is the interval found in most sacred music, and has a powerful harmonizing effect on the human energy system. It is the first harmonic sounded by a plucked string, and is what gives the note its depth and beauty. Its sacred sound is the hallmark of the Gregorian chant. In fact most divinely inspired music, including some New Age music and that of indigenous cultures, is built around the musical interval of the fifth.

This music-geometry connection is well stated by Goethe, who said, "Sacred architecture is frozen music." The same is true of the "architecture" of the human body.

It was Pythagoras who first described the fifth interval that has come to be universally recognized for its beauty. It is "an archetypal expression of harmony that demonstrates the 'fitting together' of microcosm and macrocosm in an inseparable whole. The fifth is a beautiful sound because it demonstrates how the universe works."[1]

And in building the phi proportions, along with those of the other musical intervals, into the designs of cathedrals and temples, the architects also are building in the effects of the musical intervals upon which the sacred proportions are based.

These effects, immediately experienced as harmonious, powerful, and centering, can be experienced first-hand when one enters a Gothic cathedral or an ancient Egyptian temple. Being inside such a space helps us to access other dimensions of consciousness. It is the same experience that is reached through listening to sacred music.

The Circle of Fifths and the Chakras

By applying the principles of progression to the harmonics of the fifth, we come to the Circle of Fifths: a musical sequence that prefigures the harmonic relationships of the human energy system. For the Circle of Fifths delineates the chakra system in the human body.

As we know, each chakra is a spinning wheel. Here, we will also note that each chakra comprises, in both sound and color, a literal mandala of geometries.

The musical tones and colors traditionally associated with the chakras are: C (root) red, G (throat) turquoise, D (belly) orange, A (brow) indigo, E (solar plexus) yellow, B (crown) magenta, and F# (heart) green.[2]

The interweaving of the chakras that we get by applying to them the Circle of Fifths represents a more complex system than the traditional, linear progression. And it is interesting to note that in sound healing, the connections between these "chakra harmonics" reflect a strong correspondence between our issues.

For example, in the Circle of Fifths progression, the root chakra (sexuality, survival, and money) is directly connected to the throat chakra (our expression; speaking our truth). And by working with these two chakras, we find that we can heal survival issues.

The Circle of Fifths and the Fibonacci Sequence

In the Circle of Fifths we see another way in which the musical scale is related to Sacred Geometry, for the musical progression is an exact parallel to the Fibonacci sequence.

As we know, the Fibonacci sequence starts with the number 1, and proceeds by adding the two previous numbers. So the second number in the sequence also is 1, then 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, and so on. And a graph of this sequence almost exactly matches the spiral graph of the Golden Mean sequence. One is finite, the other infinite. "As above, so below."

Fibonnaci realized that the natural branching, flowering, and spiraling forms in Nature followed the same uniform laws found in musical scales, for his sequence mathematically predicts all of the intervals that comprise the chords of music.

Note A A D F E C E C# F# C# D F
Interval root octave 4th aug. 5th 5th minor 3rd 5th 3rd 6th 3rd 4th aug. 4th
Fibonacci ratio 1/1 2/1 2/3 2/5 3/2 3/5 3/8 5/2 5/3 5/8 8/3 8/5



Sacred Geometry and the Chanting of Our World

Plato, discoverer of the "Platonic" solids, believed that music was the strongest of all life's influences. In his treatise the Temaeus, he describes the numerical (vibrational-musical) creation of the physical universe and the soul that animates it. He called upon his students to activate the ancient shrines and sacred temples of the earth with sacred song, employing "perpetual choirs" in order to echo the harmonies of the Heavenly Choir.

Plato's Republic describes the cosmos as being held together by eight spinning "whorls," like a giant spinning wheel with eight feminine weavers sounding the fabric of Creation. Each of the whorls contains a planet. And on each planet is a siren who sings her particular note and emits her specific color.

The work of German astronomer and mystic Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) focused on the five Platonic solids, their harmonic ratios, and how these shapes correlated with planetary orbits and sound frequencies. He found the musical tones of individual planets, and the musical scales of planetary movements. As Stephen Hawking reports, Kepler was even able to determine that "four kinds of voice are expressed in the planets: soprano, contralto, tenor, and bass."

In finding the music of the cosmos, Kepler showed that life forms on Earth follow the same harmonic principles as those found in the stars.

Temples of Sound

Similar knowledge has come out of the hermetic tradition, which saw its Western resurgence in the beginning of the second millennium. During this time, hundreds of Gothic Cathedrals were constructed across Europe, all inspired by this Eastern hermetic knowledge that had just been rediscovered by the mystical order known as the Knights Templar.

Excavating Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem, the Knights Templar discovered vaults of hidden artifacts and scrolls that described the alchemical sciences of sacred geometry and architecture and their relationship to sound, astronomy, and genetics. Ancient sacred relics also are said to have been found, including the Ark of the Covenant, the Holy Grail, and secrets pertaining to Mary Magdalen and a Holy bloodline.[3]

Inspired by this material, the great Gothic cathedrals, including Chartres, Notre Dame, Salisbury, St.Denis, and Cluny, were designed and built using the principles of sacred geometry and harmonic acoustics.

Chanting and Millennial Shifts

Sacred music and chant is always with us. But surges in its popularity occur at the crucial millennial turning points. This was so during the beginning of the first millennium, at the inception of Christianity, and during the era of the Grail Romances, which began around 1000 AD. And now today, as we forge a new paradigm and write our "script" for the next one thousand years, chanting has again come into prominence.

The sacred architecture employed in the medieval cathedrals reflected specific acoustical properties that were conducive to the constant rounds of perpetual choirs maintained by the monks.

Author John Michell, who has researched the tradition of "perpetual choirs" in ancient Britain, reports that these choirs were maintained in at least three sites: Glastonbury, Stonehenge, and Llantwit Major in Wales. Together, the sites form the rim of a circle in the landscape, with the center at an old Druid site called Whiteleafed Oak.

Michel found that these sacred sites were equidistant from each other, and that their individual locations corresponded to sunrise points and sacred proportions.[4]

Similarly, sacred sites in other cultures also were laid out in geometric relationship to each other, and were maintained with sacred music and chant, synchronized with the seasons and cosmic cycles.

Emotion, Sound, and Form

Science is only now beginning to discover these interrelationships of sound and matter.

Launching the new science of cymatics, Swiss researcher Hans Jenny (1904-1972) conducted experiments showing that inert powders, pastes, and liquids, when animated by audible, pure tones, would form into flowing patterns that mirrored those found throughout Nature, art, and architecture. He showed that there was a correlation between sound and form — that, in effect, the matter of the universe is a physical manifestation of vibration.

And as several articles in the Spirit of Ma'at have reported, Dr. Masaru Emoto has proven over and over again, through photographing water crystals, that there is a geometrical correspondence between human thoughts and emotions and the very shape of the matter that surrounds us. Water, Emoto has shown, "treated" with love or beautiful music, undergoes molecular change into beautiful, harmonious geometrical forms. And the same happens in reverse: chaotic or "negative" thought and emotion cause the crystals of water to become unformed and unlovely.

These ideas are modern reflections of timeless principles well known to all ancient and indigenous cultures.

As Billy Yellow, a Navajo medicine man, sums it up: "Our task is to chant the world, chant the beauty. The world is a reflection of our chanting."






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Invaluable information, oceanne.

"Like the seven naturally occurring colors of the rainbow, the octave of seven tones — indeed, all of Creation — is a singing matrix of frequencies that can be experienced as color, sound, matter, and states of consciousness.

This correlation of sound, matter, and consciousness is important. For as Stanford physicist William Tiller has proved, human consciousness imprints the space and matter of the universe. It is our intent that gives the direction and quality to Creation."

This is what I was trying to say when I used the term "crossover."

Will check out your links.



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whaaaaaaa the llama song rules:D

song has always inspired man to achieve greater than he can actually achieve
think of warfare, in the old days, this was done with drums, harps, horns
it inspires men with courage.

also, a song can change your whole mood
the llama song will make you corny for instance:P

but other sad songs, can make you very sad, while powerfull songs can make you feel strong, or angry.

i think hearing music is like the 5th and a half sense or something.

and thats why i think a lot about people who cant hear it, and i feel sad:(



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Like all magic you must be open to it ... but I think music is a very powerful source of emotion. It can make things happen and make you feel things. It's very powerful magic.



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I grew up with music always surrounding me. From the time I woke in the morning until I was put in bed, there was always something playing on my father's stereo or the radio or the intercom speaker wired from my parents' room to mine.

I was about 3 when I realized that music had the power to change my perception of reality, first by playing happy music when I was grouchy or soothing harp music when I needed to take a nap; I was about 9 when I realized that magic existed, and that certain pieces of music amplified my own strengths. I didn't really explore this deeply until I was about 14, when I somehow pulled my grandfather's spirit out of thin air by playing one of our favorite songs on an electric organ.

Tone, timbre, pitch, tempo, and rhythm all play a role in the effect music has on me. An ocarina always sounds eerie and melancholy, while trumpets make me smile. Saxophones reach in and turn the dial up on sensuality. Drums dig into that tribal heartbeat of the earth.

Now I use music on a daily basis to ground and center myself, to enhance my connection to the earth, the gods, and the universe, and to invoke a particular mood within myself. It comforts me when I'm feeling lonely, picks me up if I'm blue, or settles me down if I'm stressed. It brings back memories of happy times with my grandfather or sadness at a friend's passing.

Lyrics have their own effect: who hasn't read a poem and had the words create an emotion within them?

And what is song, but music combined with lyrics? Is there any wonder there is power in song?



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the power of song and sound are very strong they affect us all in many different ways.



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You know, when Art reads this post, I am going to laugh...Why did you have to mention the Llama son?????

The power of music elludes to the powers of the ethereal believe it or not, certain key notes, higher and lower octaves are those heard by the other world beings which brings them to aide society, as the sounds comfort, they begin to transcend our souls if you will to this other place, a place not of body, but of mind. Here society may take stance amongst the celestrial beings whom have domain over such sounds. Which is where the aide comes from. It is suggested that within certain symphonies, a calling to the angelic race is fathomable.



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Song can have a great effect on the individual. Certain songs make me cry, some songs make me energetic, silly or even tired. Sound mixed with words that have true meaning, in any sense, can move an individual very much so.



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I think it depends on the person. Personally it drives me crazy to ride in my car with complete silence. My husband on the other hand, he could drive 3 states over & then back & never even turn his radio on. My opinion some people are more susceptible to being influenced by music, where as others are not.



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i think songs are very powerfull, they have halped me through meany hard times and i love them but all in all i guess it depends on the mood your in, the kind of person you are , and much more....



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A lot of peo0ple really get into a song because they can relate to it. It also expresses feelings that can be hard to put into words. That is just me and my opinoin though.



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music is a very powerful thing but its results only can be determend on how the lisener takes it in.



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KA0000
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Music is my meditation.To me it is very powerful/



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Oceanne ~

you are quite useful with google. lol

as for music, I never said that music dosen't have 'power', but its not magical. Some music is utter crap (my opinion) and only moves me to leave the room, just like some films will be switched off or a book will be put down and its pages will never see daylight.

Have you actually read all that you google?!!



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i believe that songs are one of the most powerful forms of communication just look at history it is every where from the druids to the slaves



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Why thank you Bloodlife.And yes,I have read all of it and much more actually.Most of those are from my own files,already long established.They do come in handy at times.I hope they will for you too.
I agree alot of music is crapp,but then again,so is some of the language peeps use when communicating.And ,it is with sound or music as it is with anything..there is a right way and a wrong way.Some works,some does not.some are simply different and are not ones preferred or programed .But there are things that will always remain constants.Take the healing frequencies for instance. ...



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Songs help during the hardest of times, giving stronger emotions stead at times when you might buckle and let things continue to happen around you.



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ooh.. i love music
and yeah it has the power to change my mood :)



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Are we talking about "me adn my llama, me and my llama, goin to the dentist ooh eee." lol i can see how that would be some ritual song. its like that Iko Iko song, that seems ritualistic too.

there is a lot of power in any song. I think music awakens many different emotions that im sure could be used in any type of ritual



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the power of song is very powerfull and it all depends on the song



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I believe music strikes a ritualistic chord in all of us. There has been music and song since before there was written word.



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it is said that the battle songs of the ancient Kelts could demoralize an enemy, cause them to retch and puke on the spot, and even make their ears bleed. mind you, some people say my singing has that same effect - lol.



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I don't think its so much about the song itself but the vibrations it creates to help you merge with your higher self. There the power of life is unlimited and the connection is amazing. Song helps us to get to that level through the vibration of drums, voice and movement.



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They say that music can soothe the savage beast, but it can do the opposite too. It depends on the kind of song. It all has to do with the tone and vibrations of the music.

And may I say.....YAY!!! LLAMA SONG!!! :)



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Music has a power all its own. It can reach and touch a person the way nothing else can. I use it to either hype me or calm me, depending on the mood. It has the power to affect feelings.



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