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I would think this was posted somewhere before, but I didn't find anything on this in the forums.


So lets try and take the rumors out the facts here. What all is known about Area 51? Do they really have UFOs that have landed on Earth? Do they have real aliens in there? I want to put all those rumors to rest.


Also, please no wiki stuff here. I want YOUR opinion and yours only.

well, i recon there are aliens
*consider the size of the univers! your really think this is the ONLY planet with life on it!?*
and i recon it is very possible that the american governmet has some sort of proof, they do seem to be able to get everywhere ^^

but especialy considering the attention area 51 has from the outside world i highly dought that anything that special would be kept there anymore, if there ever was anything
after all... it is only my opinion i have no idear ^^

Instead of a wiki, how about a utube?



As there are several video's on youtube regarding this topic, I will only give one. Careful of what you mention about area51, as this is a very classified field. Eyes are always watching specifically online.

In my opinion the whole "Alien" deal was a bunch of rumors started by the military in order to deflect attention from the REAL top secret shit going on there.

Area 51 is where the Stealth Fighter, Stealth Bomber and a bunch of other secret stuff that we STILL don't know about were and are being developed.

Stealth technologies aircraft were flying out of area 51 for decades before the military even aknowledged that the might be working on such technology.

I believe there were many accidents involving experimental aircraft that would cause concern from loacal residents. The military did not want to reveal anything regarding the R&D of this technology during the time of Cold War paranoia. They thought that some wierd story of space aliens would be easier to pass off, than stories in the papers of the actual secret technology they were working on.

NOW, these Space Alien rumours are so widespread that the "Alien Hunters" are making a pain in the ass of themselves, making incursions into the secret test areas. I think they now wish they had never mentioned "space aliens".

After having visited the UFO museum in Roswell NM I for one believe there is a place(s) somewhere that the U.S. military has where they store and study recovered alien spacecraft.

Very well stated RC, excellent and to the point. Though without the alien rumors...I wonder if video games would have turned out differantly, when made with alien graphics.

Originally, I thought what you did KCRC..but now I'm not sure. I mean these "aliens" are so detailed and widely talked about that this white lie, so to speak, has become so hard to not believe. It would also make sense that aliens really exist, which makes it even harder not to believe.

I believe it to be possible for the government to be studing such cases somewhere.. although am not sure if it would be at area 51. I agree with what was said about that area being kept for the development of stealth and other weapons of desire of the govenment. But very much believe the possibility of other life being out there.

I was once told the technology for the F-16 originally came from studying certain things out there at area 51. I would think as large as the universe is we are most likely visited by other beings on occassion, If we had the technology to do it I am sure we would be curious about other life forms also. I know some of the myths do come from military craft that are top secret, they are that way for a reason of course and I am sure there is far more intersting a craft on that base than we have the slightest ideal about. As per having alien bodies I'm sure its possible, they were probably studied, thats our nature curious as we are to understand all things, I mean even a highly advanced alien ship can experience mechanical issues and crash, and no creature is beyond death under the right circumstances.

I do not deny the possibility of life existing on planets other than Earth.

I am very sceptical of any space aliens visiting Earth, however. My reasons are as follows:

If we can accept that the Universe was created more-or less simultaneously from one event (Big Bang), then we have a 'zero point" where all "evolution" began at one point. I find it highly unlikely that another civilization would develop at such a greatly accelerated state that their technology would be so much more advanced than ours.

Even if you grant the possibility of other civilizations being more advanced than ours...Why the hell would they come here? Look at A) The location of the Milky Way Galaxy in relation to others. We are about as far away as is possible. Other Galaxies are much closer to each other. B) Earth's location within the Milky Way Galaxy. We are located WAY out on one of the spiral arms of the galaxy, about as far away from the rest of the galaxy as is possible. If an advanced race were exploring the galaxy looking for other life forms...It would take a LONG time before they got to our location at the extreme ass end of the galaxy.

Reports of aliens and UFOs date back way before the US military, airplanes, weather balloons or even the existence of the US. The US military does everything in it's power to discredit and bury UFO stories not spread them.

A highly advanced technology may have unlocked the secrets in physics that we are far from understanding, perhaps travelling may be a tad faster for them, if you look at worm hole therories, its a tad intersting concept, but who knows. We learnt splitting an atom releases enought energy to destroy many miles of land, miles from an atom, imagine the untapped energy behind the concepts we have yet to explore woot woot.

KCRC, our planet wasnt created instantly during the big bang, it was created later when the planets terra and gaia (i think thats the names) collided, therefore there is extra time for evolution during that period, also, without the setbacks of the dinosaurs extinction, our evolutionary path would have advanced quicker.
therefore there is time for the evolution of super advanced aliens.
i believe there is life out there, whether they've been here or not, i am unsure, but there is something at area 51.

I'm sure there is something at area 51, as well as other highly guarded military places....whether it's actually anything about extra terrestrials, who knows. The government is always trying to cover SOMETHING up so that the public doesn't know the truth....damn...I just sounded like Agent Mulder from the X Files for a second there.
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The rumore of area 51 are veruy large spread. But what i have heard is that the area does exist out in the desert of NM or AZ. They do have aliens and alien space ships. Thsi area is so classified that the personnel that work there go through the highest level of security. If the word actully came out from the government that UFO's exist there would be mass panic. I for one have seen UFO's one more than 1 occasion and I know what i saw

They might come here for the same reason we study primitive societies and other species of lesser animals here on earth. As for the rate of development just look at the huge differences in development of some societies here on earth. There are a few societies that have nuclear technology while others yet that haven't even discovered the wheel. To presume we are the most advanced or equal to the most species in the universe would be egotistical and likely a big mistake.

I know what youre saying Blackhawk...I used to live in Albuquerque. I saw several things that left me blank and in shock

As BlissInDeath alluded to not all of the planets in this galaxy much less the universe. There are still planets being created.

I agree a lot with what KCRC has said in his posts.

I think that there is the possibility of other life. I mean we can not be the only form of life in the universe.

Area 51 has so many rumors about it, that it is hard to believe what could be real and not real. I doubt that they have in their possession a real "Alien," or an alien space craft held there. I am sure if that were the case it would actually be kept somewhere where people had no idea about it. Our government isn't that stupid. I am sure that they do things there they don't want anyone to know about, but hey who is to say.

what better way of hiding something than in plain sight. by spreading rumours through the right channels and sources, theyv turned it into a joke, but whos to say that wasnt their intention

Let me first state that I am enjoying this thread and the diversity of opinions.

I have one more point to make against the theory of alien visitation and the Military's duplicity in hiding "Alien Secrets".

IF real space aliens visited here and met some misfortune AND the military kept them and their equipment here, dead or alive and experimented with them. Do you not think that the "Home Planet" would have sent MORE aliens to come here, kick all of our puny human asses, and gotten back their buddys and there stuff?

well maybe that could be in exchange for the reported alien abductions of humans?

if they truly are from a distant planet, theres no way of knowing how long communication/travel could take

I'll admit I skipped ove rmost of this thread. But Aliens are as much a white lie as the WTC attacks. And I feel that there was treachery there.

I fully believe there are people involved in the military and government that would sell out part of the human race to gain advanced technology.

Area 51 Is actually underground most people think it is on top but it is not it is located 1 and a half miles below earth surface

if the goverment came out and told the truth would any one believe them now sence if there were or are secrets its like crying wolfe..

i believe there has to be something out there but what who no's

If you wanted to keep a top secret base hidden you wouldn't draw attention to it by spreading rumors of UFOs there, that would draw more people than saying there was military research going on there. Most people could care less about military research. There are a lot more people interested in UFOs. It is my understanding that since area 51 has become so well known that the majority of equipment and personnel have actually been moved to another base(s).

If you don't have something constructive to add don't bother saying anything

but look at the reception any evidence gets, if its a piece of strong evidence it 'disappears' yet fuzzy pictures of short grey guys with big heads walking around area 51 are plentyfull.
by maintaining the rumours, they ensure that there are plenty of hoaxes out there to conceal the true evidence

I believe in aliens and I believe they could/have/are visiting this planet. Aliens aren't like people. Aliens are aliens..who knows how they have evolved and what all they do.


So I must disagree with KCRC and say that it's possible for other beings to visit here. Very likely possible. What is NOT possible is that NO ONE except for Area 51 and (or) other secret "bases" to have found them first before anyone else has.


How do I know no one else has really seen and had contact with a UFO or an alien? Because if they did everyone would eventually know about it. I can say that for a fact.

Studies are done at 51 , but aliens are stored at DC> underground facility. All are watching 51 so the real work is done elseware. Sneeky gov.t.

it was an american built flying saucer.its an american base for testing flying machines after all and the rest is disinformation.

Vampirika:

I did not say it was not possible for space aliens to have visited, just unlikely.

And I agree with your point, why would they land at a top secret military base ONLY. Hell, why not in Cetral Park in NY if they want to make contact, or if they did not want to make contact, wouldn't they go to some remote unpopulated area with little or no means of outside contact (Siberian, Mongolia, African Plains etc.). I find it highly unlikely that an advanced race of aliens travel many light years to Earth, only to wreck their spaceship at the U.S.'s most secure top secret military test base. Wouldn't these ultra advance Space Aliens be smarter than that?

Yea. The whole alien thing as a whole bugs me. I mean another planet with living beings sounds very likely and possible to me..but I doubt aliens are real or are really what people have made them into. I would also like to point out the unusual similarities between a dinosaur and an alien. Both green-ish..both weird-looking..hmmm..


Aliens have been "around" in people's minds a very long time now..so I don't know.

People that have seen a real UFO tend to disappear along with the evidence or get coerced into changing there stories. Do some research into the Roswell incident and you will see what I mean. Like I said before UFOs have been sighted all over the world all through history. Why were runway systems found in South America that date back centuries before planes existed?

All of those "obvious traces" of aliens I really don't buy. They can't be all that obvious if they are really traces of aliens, otherwise people would know for a fact that there are aliens on this planet and we would probably have them walking around now.


I don't believe in any of those strange little clues..like those weed farms with the "alien signs" sculpted out of the weeds from above. That all seems too obvious to me..and therefor highly thrown-off from what really happened/it is there for or just straight out made by men.

before you waltzed up to a large group of people and introduced yourself wouldn't you want to observe and learn something about them first? Also if you are studying an animal or culture wouldn't it be best to study them in their natural habitat with as little outside disturbance as possible? UFO crashes don't happen at the base that's just where the evidence is taken. One of the believed reasons that a lot of UFO activity is in NM is because that is where the first atomic bomb was set off.

I believe that our government does have proof of aliens somewhere, but I don't think it's Area 51. There's far too much hype around that one site, so it would be foolish for them to keep it there.

It is my belief that aliens do exist...surely all life doesnt rest in our hands???
I think that an atomic bomb might just have been the readings they were looking for along with the air craft tests that broke the sound barriers. Most of all that took place in or near Area 51.

If there truly was a crash of aliens....perhaps the home world knew they were beyond saving and did not come after them. Perhaps the info that they sent back about us was so disheartening to the home world they felt we were not worth the effort to keep the technology from.

Doesnt exactly speak well for us, now dies it?

I believe there are aliens but only a select few no about them. There is probably a divison of the government that deals with aliens that the president doesnt even know about.

i have driven by there and it is a wierd place but it also intresting to look at

A lot of people confuse crazy government experimental aircraft with space ships

i don't think they have UFO's and aliens. they are probably just doing screwed up experements or something ghetto like that.

ever wonder where some of those crazy aircraft ideas come from? It took thousands of years for man to learn how to fly but only 9 years to get to the moon. I find it hard to believe they didn't have help. Scientists to this day have no clue how the Egyptians managed to build the pyramids. We still don't have machinery that could move some of the stone blocks they used.

Our government hides things from the population. Maybe for our own good, may not. This goes from spy activities to other things. I wouldn't discount an alien presence and a location funded with tax dollars to investigate.

As I was trying to point out before there is a good chance that an alien race would not want to be known to the general public. Just because they might be more advanced in space travel wouldn't mean that we weren't more advanced in other area(s). For an exchange of technology who better to work with than the military? I can not say that this is fact Just that it is very possible. If you look at the advances that man made before the Roswell incident and compare it to the advancements since it will make you wonder. Then look at the witness accounts of the materials found at the crash site and you will wonder even more. The military's lame excuses for what people saw just don't hold water. One of the best examples is when in a later report they said the bodies found were actually crash test dummies. Funny thing is when the crash happened the crash test dummy had not been invented yet, it came a few years later.

area 51 do u know why they call it that because its not the first crash

I do think that they have ufo and aliens in their but there has got to be something else that they are doing.

The 1947 incidents at Roswell NM, when the USAF declared there was a weather balloon that crashed was the initial incident that launched the rumors of an alien recon of Earth. Area 51 became the focal point when it was assumed to have evidence of alien space craft. This speculation resulted in the Alien Autopsy Film, which showed the bodies of aliens that were found among the wreckage of their spacecraft at the Roswell site. Area 51 has been a top secret military installation which was involved in development of military aircraft, and because of sightings of mysterious objects and lights in the sky in the vicinity have fueled the UFO sightings and associated it with alien research. There is no hard evidence that Area 51 has ever had anything to do with aliens, but speculation has grown. Some have become obsessed with the belief that the US goverment has covered up the facts. I have no doubt that there may be others like us somewhere in the sky, I do not believe that there were any at Roswell nor at Area 51.

There is an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary about the Roswell incident. Even the military initially reported it as a crashed alien craft but recanted the story later. The military has changed their story so many times on the subject you can't believe anything they say.

This definately the way of the military to recant their stories by the hour. I do know that area 51 is the site of many aircraft development projects as previously mentioned by KCRC. Aliens? Why not?

I think Area 51 is just a government research facility for technology. In the past 50 years our technology sure has advanced alot since Roswell. Go figure.

I think tha area 51 is euther an actual military base with experimental weapons, or it is a place with extraterrestrials hidden away inside. They could be trying to find a way to communicate with them, or doing experiments on them, or even studying them from behind safty glass or something. Why else could the scientists be forced to keep quiet.

Some people don't want to let go of conspiracy theories. This base has been reworked and redesigned several times over since the crush. The alien is save and secure under Washington DC for many years now. The area is nothing but a research lab for experimenting and discovering new metals and coatings. Which is far more important to the military than any "grey." Whence the high security.

it is in my oppinion that aliens do exist but none have ever been found or caught.area 51 in my oppinion was invented souly for the purpose of getting people scared in another thing and more interestedin watching movies about visitors for another planet.theres been no real scientific proof of any such beings being here,however this does not go to show me saying there not real.aliens are real and out there as anything is possible.all im saying is area 51 is not housing any real documentation

DemianA - Where did you get that info from? Surely not your head. I asked for your opinion, and you gave me a copy/paste without even a link to where you got it from.


tsk tsk tsk...keep it clean people.

hey my dad was in the military and from what i get out of him i believe that they have some supper secret crap there. it's four hours into the dessert and they shoot you if you step an inch inside the area. now as to aliens, naw. why if their so advanced would they come to a planet that is killing itself anyway?

They own it!

Someone already said something similar to this, but oh well.

I do believe that the government themselves started the rumors of aliens to deter everyone from what they are really doing.

If you don't want people to know what you're doing you don't draw attention to it. There is evidence of aliens that predate the US military and even this country. The Mayans have depictions of men in flying craft and our solar system even though they did not have the technology to see the other planets. If you really want to see just how much the military and the government lie to the people about these incidents go to this site and do some research: http://www.roswellufomuseum.com/

i think anything is possible,even aliens

Good website Wolvie and good point! I agree that I do believe in aliens, but I don't know that I think the military is still doing any research at area 51 anymore I mean really talk about infamous. Why do anything at a place that well known?

I have to say that I believe that there is some sort of alien technology at area 51. And that there are other civilizations out there and that if they made to us than they are really advanced technically speaking and that they must have some sort of device that allows them to travel at the speed of light to get to us. I have always believed that our ancestors where from another planet and that at one point we were really advanced in technology and they destroyed the planet they lived on so they came here to earth and decided to start over again and hope that we wouldnt make the same mistake as they did. I think that is why mars is the way it is there used to be a civilization there and they destroyed it so the moved some place else maybe to another galaxy or even here to earth.

Area 51 has had too much publicity to actually have a UFO or aliens. I do believe that the government has come in contact with aliens and might even have obtained one somehow, but I dont believe Area 51 has a UFO or an alien

the people who worked there in the 60's are suing the government because of diseases and radiation exposure caused from working there

No, I don't think there are aliens or UFO's kept there.

I believe there has to be alien technolgie somewhere. The human race has come so advanced since WWII. We have gone from bi planes to space shuttles in a very short time.

i think area 51 is the source of that tech. It is so secretive and strange things have been seen around that area.

well, DarkWingedPegasus, I just want to say technology always gets better in times of war and conflict. All the focus becomes on protecting your country. You could be right, but I dont believe so

Well if someone was to know for sure that would be awesome but I have read so many thing about area 51 that I could not say one way or anouther, I don't think we are the only "life" that is out there and why would they not visit earth, and if they did yes they could have crashed and are being held in secret.

Time Space Portals at Area 51 involved the isolation of whole towns for psuedo-Time simulations to train tactical dimension operatives.Completed in 1999 since moved back to another location known as Bar Ton Ranch.A town that once existed there was sold only two town folk have been documented as existing both with shady backgrounds.My source....?

I honestly dont know what to believe about area 51. I do feel that there is more out there than just us. the universe is just to big to not have other life in it. i think the government is capable of hiding that from us if they wish to. I just don't know why they would want to hide it. Not every one is gonna be crazy because of it. it happened so long ago the panic would not be so bad now i just wish they would spill it about what really happened

i personally think that it is all lie if they had aliens there you would think that it would git out some how and everyone would know and if the military kidnapped random aliens they would kick the hell out of us

I think there is truth and fiction out there. I believe that with the advancements of the modern age, in a short span of history shows that we got the ideas from somewhere...

And there is so much secrecy and hush hush surrounding area 51 that stories and theories will always be blown out of portportion.

Notice that NO US president or senator has ever come forward offering the truth! So what are they hiding? I do think it is alien technology and if they had aliens I think they are long dead and gone.

Art Bell interviews John Lear

John Lear is a highly respected and credible source of this type of information. Yes he is of Lear Jet fame and claims to have inside information related to UFO's, extraterrestrials, their agenda and their relationship to major governments here on Earth.

http://www.greatdreams.com/John-Lear.htm

My father saw an alien spaceship back in 60`s,not in Usa, Area 51, but in Europe (near Cluj, Romania) .
Some hundreds of people were stoped on the way to Cluj, and on a clear sky there was a flying transparent object that stood there about 15 minutes.
After that the object had a perfect vertical ascension, slow at first then incredibly fast and dissapeared.
There are books and photos about that phenomenon.

I disagree with KCRC:

1.All lifeforms on earth started evolution on the same time, but today have different stages of evolution.
2.Time and space are relative dimensions and a superior technology could provide superior speed.

Your original post asks us to separate the rumors from the facts, and then to offer our opinions on Area 51.

The only fact is that there is an Area 51 that is owned and controlled and restricted by the government. We know that it is used for flight testing of military aircraft.

The area is shrouded in secrecy and that there are rumors about what other activities the facility takes part in or contains.

That sums up the facts about Area 51.

Everything else is rumor, speculation, and opinion.

i read an article once that said that astronuats saw strange things so i don't know...

Aliens are probably kept there, not too sure about 'UFO's' though. its a possibility

Someone close to me lost driving time and had an actual cauterized core sample (it went to the bone) taken from their leg out on the desert during the sixties. I have seen many, many other things that lead to questions, so to me all things are possible.

I don't know about Area 51 but i believe that there is other life forms out there now alien spaceships is another thing i believe that the military has tried to make plane that look like ufos to fool people

Wolvie,
yea I read somewhere that most of the "top secrect" things where moved from there a while ago and now it is just really I place to try out new aircrafts and weather ballons, do they still even have a full base there?

I think if there where such a place as area 51, it would be better hidden. Perhaps area 51 is just a decoy.

my opinion,i think its just an area the goverment dont want anyone to be on so they can do secret stuff and other things,they even have it where noone can see the area where they are at.

Area 51 in the olden times did hold the unknown..but now all that was there has been moved..and we are not alone on this planet.

the items in questions, from what i understand were moved to the cheyenne mountain facility, here is some informaion i found, that isn't censored:

click the link:http://www.theblackvault.com/modules.php?name=core&showPage=true&pageID=25

another link:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/area51.html

another link:
http://area51specialprojects.com/groomlake.html

BrehonDruid thanks for the links. Since the rumors of area 51 came out I am sure the government has moved what they have in thier possession

I really doubt anything super hidden like aliens probably are would be posted anywhere on the internet...or if it is, it's probably not accessable to the general public.

That was my thought also for having so much media attention, wouldn't you think they would definately have moved it long ago!

its for military creating miliatry planes and equipment nothing outer spacy about it

More info on the area:

Area 51 received official recognition during the Clinton administration involving a class action lawsuit from members that worked at the site. Mostly because of the lawsuit the government was forced to publicly acknowledge its existence as part of a government facility in the area although they continue to deny or rather not disclose any information about what was developed at the site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51#The_U.S._government.27s_positions_on_Area_51

http://ufos.about.com/od/governmentconspiracyufos/p/area51.htm

KCRC: Even though it’s grand for a military force to use its toys against its foes, there are many other ways to defeat ones enemies. ‘Kicking but’ is not always the best way, the easiest or most cost effective. Most militaries around the world have been more effective with their clandestine forces than their overt Armies. These same strategies can be implemented by any species Terrain or Extraterrestrial. It’s very probable that an alien species capable of traveling to our world mostly undetected would also have the capability to function very successfully in clandestine operations. :>

Also, no matter how advanced a species gets there will always be “human error” or what ever the species calls itself. Mishaps always occur, ships will always crash. Further, just because a species is advanced enough to travel long distance it does not mean they are super advanced. We have had the interstellar travel technology for decades but we chose not too mostly for cost reasons. It would also be slow and we have become an instant gratification species and dislike waiting. There’s nothing saying another more adventures and less cost minded species is not out there and traveling the stars right now.

Personally I believe there has been encounres with other lifeforms..or "aliens".
There are just too many interviews with ppl comming forward with info these days... I think it is a big cover up. Besides The base Area 51 has something like 13 levels below ground that is not "supposed" to be known about.
And anyway we would be pretty shallow to think that we are the only life in the entire universe.

I believe our government will distort and confuse the general population to further their own agenda about Area 51. Space is too large for us to be the only life forms, however, do they exist at the same level of perception as we do to even reconize that existance. That is the question that we have not answered and may take many years before we can understand any such concept...

i agree with alchemist, there are many mis-haps, to think that there isnt would be foolish, considering the things we see in this day and age.

If I had to guess which I am, I agree with KCRC.

Especially becuase when the whole Area 51 thing surfaced the media was much more controlled. By controlled I don't mean censured although it was as well. I mean, there was no internet, youtube, and camera phones everywhere. The lucas films magic was still yet to come so it was easy to freak out good old america.

i feel like alot of ppl do i'm sure .... if there is nothing to hide ...then why do they have sighs posted you will be shot .... i mean come on .....

Supposedly, area 51 is just an empty hangar. However, if that were the case, why was it's existence denied and its borders so protected? I think that, while it may not be alien technology or some such held within the borders of Area 51, the government is likely doing something either illegal, probably illegal, or just something the public would be against, and that's why Area 51 is so taboo.

in this day in age any thing is possibile and the military has always had their secrets about this and that. There is so much information out there about what is area 51, there is a huge universe out there, it isnt that far fetched to believe that other things do exhist, well we have gone to view other planets to see what is out there why not other places coming to see what we have to study us and to see how our civilization hav evolved over the years.

My opion is that there are to many people that have encounters to not think that we are not alone as for area 51 I think it was at one time used to house things of extratrestrial design but that it is no longer used since it is to well known now

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Thanks for everyone's input. Keep them coming. I'm gonna keep this Thread opened for a little more in case anyone else has anything to say about Area 51.