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Can we make a vampire

I was thinking about the 1970 psychical research group that invented phillip the ghost

This I believe is why Ouija boards sometimes pick up on daemon spirits as it’s only what the minds in the room want and so it becomes……… a bad spirit.

Well im going to ask can it go a step further?
Can we created a vampire ghost?
Will that ghost be able to feed or just move stuff around the room?
What do you think?

are you referring to the mythological vampire?

It is possible but I don't know if it could happen.

you would need a physical medium for it to be channeled through.

Then you would need to a lot it a purpose or set tasks that it does, no matter what, like programming it. You shouldn't have it just empty of its purpose because then it has no capacity to determine its will.

Well that would be down the road of a servitor a blank programmable chaos being used to do ones bidding.
Im thinking a group of vampire lovers who have a caricature made of the vampire type.
Then using the same principles as Phillip the ghost team did… make a real ghost of a vampire….

yea, but if you wanted it to be able to go different areas outside of said room, you would need to bind it to something, ontop of the processes they used.

Interesting…. Explain a little more…. I had no thoughts of making it go out side the room

A servitor does or is that just attached to me?

i would like to no how as well..

thats....interesting....go on

hmm ... interesting ... I look forward to reading more of what people have to say about this

ok a little on servitors for those who wish to follow this servitor idear. basical part of the chaos magic craft is seperated from him or to be more understanding the mind creates a blank programble servant of unatural forces.....

philip the ghost is a recorded event of such powers.... im thinking ... what do you think?

So no one has an opinion on this subject …. Is it too deep, real or crazy?

Hey my question is how can you make a vampire out of what your article said?

I think if you could take the DNA from a real vampire and then try to clone it I believe it could be possible but this is only my thoughts on this subject...

i forgot this discussion was going on.


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Anyway, if you grafted the intermediary for the vampire ghost we will call him bob in this case, created with a combination method. You can force a thought form creation over or under as the "soul" behind a being so long as it has form. If your creation bob has a form, you can graft a thought creation to it, to guide its actions and its motions. If you have some way of sustaining bob outside of the room where you made bob you could take it on field trips out to watch it find a way for it to so sustain itself by its own will, or the will that you implant from the creation of such a thing.

but then again, how they made phil is how you make any quality thought form. You make it so it will manifest physically.

So you are in a sence just trying to talk to it, which people do make use of pendulums, spirit boards, and such when they dont have mental connection to the thought forms they create.

Its just advancements of the same art, and should be what all your servitors achieve a level of, if not greater level so they are able to manifest as you command them.

I dont think so but who knows in the future

I am not sure how to create a vampire or a vampire ghost, but I guess we could summon one, with a bound spell, from another realm, if only we knew the proper spell incantation that would be great!

I read that article and it sounds more like group telekinesis where they're all concentrating and really believing into this entity where they're moving things about themselves. Just my opinion. I don't believe you can manifest a fictional entity.

stretches and yawns....... the nutters are coming out

Simple enough ... no to the first through fourth questions.

That is truly an interesting idea. Maybe, if the whole group concentrated hard enough, it would be possible.

I have never really thought a vampire could be created. I think it is something in your nature that you are born with. I could be wrong, it is just a personal opinion. I do see a lot of people coming through irc that seem to want it so much and eventually convince themselves that it is fact. Perhaps in that sense one can be created. A lot seems to be in the mind.

Personally I view it like seizures. Everyone has the ability, but most will never open the door to become one.

Yes everyone I think has the ability. We all give and take of energy. We feel better after fun with our friends, we hurt when they hurt and we eat to live.

All of that in various ways is us taking energy and resources from our environment to live. No different from how a vampire interacts with it's environment.

Now what will trigger the opening of that door- that is completely and entirely dependant of the person. Although some that live the psy lifestyle would tell you that some basic energy techniques will help. From what I have seen it is nothing more than standard energy work, manipulated to their cause. Aside from the vampire "slant" it is almost identical to what any energy worker learns.

I think that we have the ability to create a vampire but only by writing and telling stories about them. It could be said that we have created every vampire that there ever was. We created them in our imaginations then made them real with a pen or a typewriter.

Most in the community will tell you that vampyres are born the way they are. As for servitors or thought forms, and egregors which is a group thought form, unless you give it some sort of form you will have a blob.

I knew a guy from the UK that was a master at this and he would create them by drawing and writing down everything about them. He gave them a life of their own. As for calling one of these beings up I don't know. Never tried but there are a lot of spirits that think its funny to try and fool you. Most of the devices used for this sort of thing are fine but as far as a trance channelor...if I was one...no way would I try to channel something like this. I doubt the entity would have enough energy to materialize in form or be able to draw it from others if it knew how. That's just my opinion from personal experience.

From my studies I don't believe there are many physical mediums around anymore. If you know of any I would love to hear more about them.

well if this were true the the true facts and proven documents on the real dacula or vlad tempes then these are all a myth of a writer, but Romania and the history there are real and the decendents of Vlad still to this day live ...

Ghost's don't have teeth so therfore no.

our spirits feed outside our bodeys all the time i see no reasion to "creat" a ghost of us lol

no i dont think you could make a vampire

Well thanks for the input and thoughts…..
I attempted a contact with said made up vampire…. The candles went out except those around the table… very spooky.
Then something fell over in the kitchen…. Will try again next week when the group can get to gather again.

I don't think any of that is possible -- I don't believe a vampire would have a soul . How would there be a ghost ?

Interesting angle Memnoch, do we have souls? Do we need souls? Are we just spirits in a flesh shell?

as for the ghost ... please read link to philip the ghost ....

i think it possable but can it happen ?

That sounds pretty kewl, but i don't think it could realistically happen.

The story of Phillip the Ghost is evidently the idea that through group effort (and of course proper mood setting) we can collectively hallucinate or psychicly affect the area in the same way an ouija board can have us making tiny muscle movements without our knowledge. The ouija functions by our own movements but so subtley that we don't accept them as ours and the Phillip experiment took that a step further by claiming they made psychic movements (table raps, light dimming, etc) but still movements by the participants and not really the ghost.

That means that the 'vampire' would still only be able to respond through psychic actions of the participants and not an actual created vampire. Could they psychicly feed on people through their subconscious? I don't think there's enough evidence on any psychic phenomenon to prove that.

Interesting point felixfelix, your saying it’s not possible?

The Philip experiment clearly records table moved numerous times on a thick carpet with no one touching the table. And where does the raping on the table come from when all hands are on the table and visual observed no feet or knees knocking.
I don’t think a collective hallucination explains poltergeist activities.

As for this creation of the mind, … if it’s created to act like a vampire it will I guess…. Can it bite … I don’t know yet as I guess it wont have a material body… maybe It should be a psy vamp or dream walker……..

Still I found it interesting that philp started to give more information on his made up life and they soon had it developing a life story. I wonder if this one were making will do the same…. As of yet no advances in the making of a vamp

We do not make vampires we become them in our own way

Yes im sure you do become one in your own way….. maybe you should read the post and give me an answer to the question at hand… lol

i think magic can make one

I believe that if someone has enough pent up energy that they may be able to project that out making things happen and appear to be a "ghost" and maybe even a ghost with vampiric qualities

thanks for your comment... care to add on why not?

Lavisbre - my point was that like the ouija, we are able to make movements that we don't recognize as our own. The collective hallucination (that might be the wrong word) is that we believe something else is moving the planchette when in fact it's us.

Now if we add the possibility of psychic manipulation (ie psychokinesis, telekinesis, etc), then you could effectively be moving the table, making the rapping noise and other 'paranormal' or 'supernatural' effects and believe them to be an outside force or influence. I believe that was the conclusion of the people involved in the experiment. That by giving themselves proper mood lighting and chants and ritual, they gave their minds enough creative media for their psychic abilities to try and manifest what they wanted to see. It was after all a psychic experiment and not a spiritual one. That's the reason they invented their ghost from scratch and made sure he never really lived in reality...so as to make sure they weren't accidently summoning a real spirit.

It depends on what elements you are referring to when dealing with the concept of a vampire.

Immortal life? Possibly with changes in DNA, reduction in free radicals in the body and modification of the aging/breaking down process.

Requirement of consumption of blood? Possibly with diseases or medical phenomenon.

The only way to 'create a ghost' is to murder someone and hope they stick around to haunt your arse afterwards.

Well were locked into the cabin today… snow storm just hit and minus 40 or so outside… cant see through the permafrost … time to chuck some logs on the fires n get summoning ……

Let us know the results. The mind can make whatever it wishes. Sometimes only the person who is directly involved can see it though...that is why the padded wall are necessary.

gimme paper and pencil and i can make all the vampires you want...they just cant move or do anything or whatnot...8[

i think we can but dunno how that would work exactly..

We can create a vamp ghost but does that make it real?

yes but why would you want to?

Why would you not want to?

I guess from the majority of the responses on this forum so far has not had people who live a vampire coven life.
I suggest this on as summoning the groups vampire is something they do, a collective being brought forward into the group/ rave/ meeting.

I guess my search goes on….

Well said, CxR.

So Philip the ghost is not realistic, your both saying.
A chaos servitor magic is not possible your both saying.
And collective thoughts wont created a mythical being for the group, your saying….

I take it you have tried all methods?
Documented your experiments?

i don't feel that you can..if feel that you are born a vampire not made.

I agree Ayana …. Your born vampire… however reading this thread from the start I suggest you might change the post lol

What type of vampire can someone be born?

Well I guess this would be a post already done to death…..
Vampires today follow a life style linked to vampirism in some way….
One is born with a fascination and need to live thus living vampire.

Anyone that believes they can fly like a bat and live forever are sadly mistaken for a book story

Indeed they are, lav, indeed they are.

quite possible but improbable at the moment

below is a link to one being made a colective force.... im working on one a bit stronger

1 cup of cannibal..


2 cups of mental illness


a bucket of pig's blood..


shake well..put in vampire shaped mold...chill and serve.

can ya get one made out of JELLO?

No way..

it's gotta have the cannibal and the mental illness or it would just be...jello.

Bill Cosby would be so glad to know that.

bill cosby? ... not following???

Wow, this is one time I don't have an answer. I have no idea. Gotta read up some on that theory.

It is highly improbable, but possible, I think so, atleast.

I FEEL THAT IT'S POSSIBLE BECAUSE i DO KNOW THAT WE CAN CREATE ENERGY FEILDS WITH OUR HANDS ECT.

To my understanding the ghost of a vampyre becomes much like a wraith, if the spirit remains and does not rest, such as they move about attaching and feeding on all they can; a most dangerous creature, I'm not sure one would truly wish to call upon one, could be a most unpleasant experience, perhaps you may want to read peircing the darkness, or vampire the occult truth. Good books they are.

This is definatly a new topic. I havent heard of people creating a ghost and a vampie, I think people may be too afraid to create a vampire (depending on what form you are meaning). It could back fire badly. I believe it could be done and I wold love to see if it works.

I dont hink so hun...I like to think most things are possible but this stretches my imagination!

yes we can fucker

I heard that when a vampire bites you he unleashes a Viorrous that causes you to change into a vampire so if you could create the vampire viorrous and inject it into someone to create a vampire

possible........

It could happen...in the sense it is possible. Will it happen? Probably someday unintentionally.

I don't think it could happen -- If a vampire doesn't have a soul -- There'd be no ghost ..

in this day and age you never know.

I see the direction on this sliding slightly .. lol
Please do read the first post and those after… takes time but saves embarrassment when you comment on the post above you lol

Ok back to Memnoch123
Who has said a vampire has no soul? Besides a book. Can you let me know where this is ?
Can you explain more?
Please read about Philip the ghost … and guess what girls n boys….. they have recreated the experiment to make lilth I thought that was sweet.

Well others create Servitors besides chaos mages. I knew a master magickian from the UK who was Hermetic and was very talented at creating them but if its a group effort it is an egreggor and not a servitor

yes it is entirely possible but I agree you'd have to bind it to something to make it do further stuff and you'd also have to have a ton of energy to work with

Top notch Mollidew, I deliberately avoided calling it by it’s name as im testing the water here as to the value of the posts information and advancement.
Have you been involved with such sermon’s or just well educated in such areas?
Im asking as I wish to prolong it’s ability to exist longer than the group collective.
When we stop … it stops.

I really dont think it would be possible

Shadowdemon666

It is possible, it is documented, it is done by many……
Try with some friends… a collect thought manifests as … well what ever you believe it to be.. or it believes it’s self to be….
Read link on first post for the basics… quite the party trick ;-)

I am in awe. I did not know we could make a gohst, So why can't they make a vampire gohst? I think they can and are already working on it.

now lets not forget the actuall limitatins to this ok vahlad dracool is in fact still registered in fact as the only living vampire however yes they are a myth but you got to remember this is the 20th century anything is posible for christ sakes they mde a freakin lazer cannon for the army lets not forget that star wars in reality i think anything is possible but yet sometings still need to be prossesed and worked out in life who knows maybe in life 1000 or maybe 2000 or more maybe there will be vamps you never know how nature may presume itself never doubt but explore i say.

also in retrospect lets not go all biblical but remember one of the apossals was turned into a vamp to walk the earth forever so lets not forget that even religious people belive in vamps alot of history dug up but as it goes be carefull what u stir up.

Impossible to go biblical about an apostle turning vamp????
When can a an astral sign turn into a vampire?

from what i have learned about myself and others you are born what you are. but if there are supposivley immortal ones out there that maybe you can

Well could be possible. Anything can happen you never know.

I didnt think vampires could be ghosts.

why dont you think a vampire could be a ghost ... ?

The easiest way to explain this is to look at high level energy workers and building a construct.
what that is is a basically a golem to put it bluntly.
It is a presence that can do physical acts and be programmed to do certain things and can even be given a intelligence and be able to feed itself and protect itself and it can last for years depending on the level of the caster.I believe that is what infernalmage was trying to relay to everyone is about constructs and their abilities to do things and be able to follow you and actually manifest themselves unto you, but then you can also dwelve into enochian magics and summon said beings unto you as well.

i do not think makein one is like makein a science project but i bet you can make a pshyic vampire but no one likes those lol

I have always believed that tampering with spirits isnt a wise choice

i must agree with you on that dont play with what you dont understand it will hurt you

what if nano technology was set to preserve and animate a body that is near death and the final spark of the conciousness is fused into the program.the soull would pass on but the newly echo power source would generate the nano swarm.

Interesting if we had nano bots able to animate a dead body… why wait for it to die… just keep it animated … why even build monstrous ones to do odd jobs.

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