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RavynSteel
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What are your thoughts on the idea that the earth is one big Alien experiment? That the reason abductions happen is that the Aliens are just checking up on our evolution and sighting are them keeping an eye on us? That any natural disasters which happen are the ET equivalent of Big Brother challenges?

Please, if you think this theory is complete and utter nonsense, keep your flaming posts to yourself. This is for discussion, not ridicule. Thank you




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It is a possible theory as to how we came into existance and something I have thought about over the years. Are we just a marble in the hand of another species far greater than our own?

However if we are just an experiment surley the real question for me is what are they waiting for us to do? every scientific experiment starts with a hypothesis



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No, that's not what I'm saying. I just would prefer the thread not to be filled with posts like 'shut up its stupid' or 'no thats impossible' If you don't agree, tell us why. Expand on things rather than just shoot them down with just a word or two.



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Well, sometimes a word or two is sufficient.
;-)

Honestly, can you offer any evidence for your theory - the first of your questions. And with evidence I do not endorse wild claims of being abducted by aliens. But rather facts which can be looked at from a scientific point of view.

See, more than a word or two. ;-}



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If at all, E.T. would come to our planet and experiment on us...Why would they? I mean hell, look at the ignorance of the planet thus far, if they are telepath, then they would know not to interfere.

As there are plenty of other galaxies, I am sure E.T. would find us more than amuzing and basically skip us and move onto a higher intelligence than our planet.



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Oh and now on topic here, I have a feeling they if they do exist are waiting for us to fail. There would be much to learn about and from us after we destroy ourselves and the planet which we inhabit.



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What do waiting to fail

look at us there are shootings in colleges and tornadoes during the winter WTF we are failing if there are aliens let them and take us away



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I can definately see us as one big experiment! Think on it - you don't interfere with an ant farm - you just watch and record what is happening.



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i think this "theory" is like from ppl doing too much drugs and getting paranoid..lol

i dont think aliens have visited this planet.



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As noted in "Fingerprints of the Gods" by Graham Hancock, the cultures of the "Fertile Crescent" (e.g., the Sumerians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Canaanites and Israelites) as well as the Egyptians, and most of the indigenous cultures of the Americas all independently and extremely coincidentally had strong foundational legends not only of a worldwide Flood (which we know by the geo-physical sciences never occurred on a global scale) but also the same near-identical ancient accounts of a small group of men who descended from the skies and taught their ancient ancestors the arts, sciences, agricultural skills, basic metallurgy and metalworking, the sensual arts, and the moral philosophies foundational to their respective religions, then they left them (or were killed by the indigenous cultures, such as apparently happened in Canaan as well as a few of the ancient American societies).

And given that the supposed "Great Deluge" (worldwide flood) never actually occurred yet is found to exist in indigenous societies almost worldwide together with the near-identical accounts of this same small group of "celestial" visitors, the only logical conclusion that can be surmised from this is that all this same legends of the Flood and "Fallen Angels"/Anunnaki/Viracocha/Quetzalcoatl/etc., must refer to a very real localized event that occurred far prior to 10,000 BCE back when the Human species was just beginning and largely consolidated to a single geographic area where a large yet localized flood later occurred following which Human tribes began moving out across the globe and taking with them into their individual cultures this same common legend.

I find it particularly telling that in the Canaan area, this ancient group of men who descended from the skies and were later vilified as the "Nefilim" (from whence was derived the pegorative term "fallen angels") were first called the Grigori, which means: the "Watchers."

A far better term for "Watchers" in today's vernacular would be: The Observers.

Thus, it would appear that there is significant ancient precedent, far predating the very concept of scientific observation, that we as a species might very well be under direct and literal "observation" as a species and have been since the Dawn of Human history. That a few of these ancient "Observers" descended from the skies and provided our most ancient ancestors the basic building blocks needed to help "jump start" us toward civilization.

I believe, however, that following this "jump start," we have pretty much been left on our own and without significant "intervention" ever since.

As for the "Watchers" (Observers), if this theory is valid then I see no reason but to suppose they are still "observing" us today... for whatever end purpose we have yet to understand.



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18:21:14 Feb 15 2008
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Malkavian - it's less from people doing drugs and getting paranoid than an idea stemming from an episode of South Park...of all things!



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Maledicta: Is there a notable difference?
Though I have to admit I only saw one episode of South Park...



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There was an episode called 'Cancelled' where it turned out that the Human Race was just one big Truman Show-esque experiment and because we were getting boring the alien network decided to shut us down. From what I can remember all the world disasters happened because they were trying to spice up the happenings a little.

Just food for thought...



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I have to give that a big fat no. I think there is other life but I don't think we are likely to be that much interesting to a higher intelligence.



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Perhaps extraterrestrials found primitive Earth to be a sort of intergalactic bordello. Figuring they were far enough away from home that their wives wouldn’t find out about it, they had sex indiscriminately with primitive humans and the resulting off-spring lead to rapid evolution and our significantly (compared to most other animals on Earth) advanced cerebrums.

Maybe they took a shinning to dolphins too… you never know.

Theories like this are fun to throw out there. Of course we have no hard evidence of any of this, or what the original submitter of this thread is proposing.

Similar stories across multiple cultures prove nothing except people have come up with similar stories.

A great flood? Remember to most ancient civilizations the world wasn’t this huge planet – the world was only what they knew of. Most areas of the world can experience flooding, and a flood that might seem like it covers their “whole world.” Whether or not it was global, to them maybe it seemed like it.

And even the ancients could come up with their own… fish stories.



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I do believe that abductions happen. I also believe that aliens come to check us out. As far as natural disasters I believe they are effects on how we are damaging our enviornment



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I dont think that the earth and life is the result of an alien experiment. The evolutionary process takes millions to billions of year. I highly doubt that any creature, even aliens, can live that long. Also, they would have to reside somewhere close by, within our solar system, to be able to get to our planet to abduct humans. Since the nearest star is millions of light years away it would be impossible for the aliens to reside there because it would take them millions of years to get here. Unless they were able to bend spacetime.



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Upir - if we're going back prior 10,000 years, then there is record of such massive upheaval and flooding, earthquakes and more. The point that Fingerprints of the Gods made was that a civilization prior to that time may have been far more advanced but was destroyed during that catastrophic time. Graham postulates that survivors of that early advanced civilization are the "white bearded men" who later teach the rest of the world advances like farming and building and domestication of animals.



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Another thing I would like to touch upon: I am unsure as to whether you mean the aliens put humans themselves on the planet or if you mean the whole evolutionary process. So I will just put my reply for the whole evolutionary process.

If the aliens were to put a life form on earth to watch it evolve over time would take billions of years. When they started the experiment they would not know that humanity would eventually evolve from that life form. They would have to sit around for several billion years, probably, to see that humanity evolved from the life form. By then, the aliens that created the experiment would most likely be dead and so it would be their ancestors who continued the experiment. Over time it would probably be forgotten and have become a myth. If the earth and life is just an experiment of aliens I do not think it was just so that they could test humanity because there is no possible way they would have known humanity was going to evolve.



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it would make sense..........lol



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Blazee
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i didnt even see that south park lol.
ppl have been thinking up weird stuff like this though for a while, its like when they thought there was sea monsters in the ocean is you ventured too far west of europe......



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To go along with MalkavianMime's post. Also, during the time Colombus was alive people thought the earth was flat and you would fall off if you tried going around the world.



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Blazee
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hah yep, but we're getting off topic.

the concept that an alien species would jump start our planet, be peaceful, and just observe us.....while accidently showing up as "UFOs" seems pretty preposterous.

i think if we every do really encounter aliens it will be like all the worst SCI FI movies have to offer...in other words we'd be dead.



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If we do encounter aliens it doesnt mean that they will want to kill us all. They may come in peace just to observe and see how we live our life. But to be honest, I dont think we will ever encounter aliens. It goes with my previous post. Unless able to bend spacetime space travel is impossible. It takes millions of years for light from another star to reach us. Since the fastest anything can travel is the speed of light it will take millions of years to get here so they would probably be dead by the time they got here.



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if aliens are intervening, then its not a very good experiment. unless the whole point of the experiment is "lets see what effect we will have on a civilization if we poke our nose in now and again and make them aware of our presence"

and where is the control subject?



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lol...I agree we would be a failed experiment or a reality TV show for alien TV.



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SarraS
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Where should those aliens come from? How should they travel? And to answer the second question please stay within the boundaries of what's possible. Not Warp-Drive or SciFi FTL-Travel ...

Even assuming those questions could be answered in a way to satisfy physics, what would be the parameters of the experiment? The reason for starting it in the first place? Finding the question to 42?

Sorry, the concept of aliens won't work out well. So we can all but ignore the other questions.



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UpirLikhyj
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Stay within the bounds of "what's possible"? Is it reasonable to presume that we already know the answer to this?



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Blazee
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"""""""and where is the control subject?"""""

good point...

we would make a very bad place to experiment on..



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Yes. At least as far as this little problem is concerned.

For example we know that the transportation of information can generally not exceed the speed of light.

Even ignoring that, it would be possible to calculate the energy needed to transport - say two entities of near human-mass with some sort of capsule over a given distance inside a given timeframe. Thus would lead to a little back of an envelope calculation for the energy needed to decelerate. Which gives us the type of signal to look for in the sky. But we diddn't see anything. So we can use this calculation as boundary for a threshold calculation. Putting that back in the transport-equation, ....

Well, yes, I'd say we know enough for that.



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Yes, I believe we are an abandon alien experiment..If ever you get the chance read a book called 5-5-2000.. It sheds some light on the subject..



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I think it's a big government secret and everyone is just forming their own theory about what is really going on. Perhaps we will never know. And for those who do actually know they won't say because it would cause a world wide panic stricken riot.



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Myself personnaly I dont think we are an Alien experiment. However dont get me wrong I dont believe in Adam and Eve either.

Both theories have good points behind them and then on the otherhand some are down right unbelievable.

I do believe in Aliens as such as no one has been able to prove they dont exsist. My belief on abductions is that we are being watched to see how we progress. We are a dangerous race we prove that time and time again so I guess if there is another race out there somewhere then they would want to keep track on how we are progressing and if we can be trusted.



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I'm not sure I would reference 5/5/2000 since the whole premesis if the book is that the world would end on that date.

I am not sure what to make of the idea of an alien intervention. There are giant leaps in knowledge and in evolution that makes one ponder how we have arrived at our current state. Suggesting an alien intervention appears to be just as likely as the common concept of a creator who who subsequently watches over us. I don't mean to come across as a heretic but switch the term god and alien: many people hold steadfast to the belief that humans were created directly by god and actively participates and watches over us.



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Well thats all very interesting but I really dont think so..

I am with Darwin..



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That is very true, we have come a long way in technology and in a very short time.

We went from the Wright brothers quest to fly to bi-planes the mono piston engines to the jet and now rockets that can take us out of our orbit. And this all happened very fast.

Mans quest for knowledge has always been great right back to the stoneage but our knowledge has jumped greatly in the last 60 odd yrs. Has it been because of Alien visiting and passing on information no one will really know. My belief is we have to have gained the knowledge from somewhere and it could only be from someone or something smarter then us at the time.



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Ah, the old Chariots of the Gods comes to mind!! I like the analogy already stated about the ant farm.... who knows what planet has been here and if they help or just watch. Like the idea from 2001 of a race helping us along and when we reached a certain level to trigger the beacon, they come to be there for us and take us to the next step....but is this planet ready or even worthy?



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wow aleins.. i love this thread.. why i say.. if i was an alien i wouldnt come here.. to dam much hate and greed.. the rich get richer and the poor get poor..

what we need is a balance and that wont happen..were like puppets on a string ...



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DarkWingedPegasus: It's a question of key technologies. Once a certain technology is available the dependent technologies emerge rather fast. And since the technological basis is getting wider the speed seems to increase. Until the level is reached where a new key technology needs to be invented/found.



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Nice breakdown Saara. I personally believe that there is an intelligent race of beings out there. Far more advanced than us. And the movie Star Wars is perfect example of what is there, and what is to come.



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in my opinion i believe there are aliens, cuz the universe is huge, i doubt we're alone, but i doubt that we're an experiment since humans have been around for a really long time, & space travel takes a long time to develop so by now they would be extremely advanced and would want our planet probably. if thats true we are much younger & our planet is already getting destroyed & overpopulated, so imagine that planet that would be experimenting on us, so would that mean the planet experimenting on has another planet experimenting on them? its way too complicated, doubt its true lol



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the problem with the they will want our planet theory is what would they want it for..?
i mean if we are talking about resources.. surely they could find closer things to tap, for their needs..



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well a younger planet has more resources than an older planet, since a lot of resources are non-renewable



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i mean like if a civilization is trying to mine a planet for resources the distant to get here....verses.....like closer solar systems...asteroids, planets, nebula, comets even, though that may be dangerous....



the chances of a space bearing species closer enough to do that is unlikely too.



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yeah thats true it would prolly be in another galaxycuz of space travel now we would have prolly seen some evidence of exterterrestial life in our galaxy [yes i kno i cant spell lol]



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I believe that they have been experimenting on humans for many millenia.



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hmm.. this all reminds me of that game, XCOM: UFO defense.. there are aspects of that game that are scarily accurate to this planet.. might want to check it out if you have not already... pretty interesting stuff in any case..



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as to not say anything mean. it's atleast interesting. but personally i don't believe in ufo's



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Do not think they are "messing w/us". If anything watching us , like we watch wildlife. Laughting their heads off at us.



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Not everyone who posts here are physicists or Oxford scholars and some aren't even out of High School. Look at the general content I think is reasonable. In my opinion it is very rude to point out grammatical errors. I think its better to skip the thread and post elsewhere. It's only good manners. As for the other types of posts it must get annoying. With that said I will say this:

I think that is an interesting premise. Sort of akin to the God-Satan ideas that come up that its a bet or experiment.

It appears something is going on but I am not sure that it isn't explorers that have tagged certain individuals for study, like we do what we consider lower animals.



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I heard of one story where Adam and Eve were working on Human DNA. And it was Eve that added the duality into Humans so they can learn faster. Like burning a candle at both ends. They both got fired, not kicked out, because they altered the grand plan. Do they count as aliens?

But even if Earth is an experiment, it does not have to be the alien's. It can still be for Humans and their Higher learning and the "free will" that you are always hearing applies to the aliens too! The two do not necessary have to be originally connected.



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Being watched by Aliens I can agree with that theory as for the planet being experimental well that is a new one for me but as with everything a viable possibility.

There is evidence of alien visitations to the Egyptians, Mayans & Aztecs. So who knows maybe it would take an abductee to ask the right questions lol...

Ok maybe I have watched a little too much X-Files as a kid, but I believe there is life out there in the universe. I am not vain or closed minded to think this planet is the only planet that has habitants in the whole entire universe. Nor do I think our race is an advanced race... I think we are rather primitive even now!

Just my 2 cents worth!



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i think that it is very possible that is what it is. My mother believes that alians made this world and are watching in space as we destroy it.



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i believe that aliens do come here and watch us and study us. they do abduct our people to study them



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I believe that there is more than just us in this universe. But I'm not sure if I believe that we where made by "aliens". Maybe life as we know it started some where else. That I might believe. lol I guess it is possible though. Hell no one really knows huh?



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There sure semms to be some compeling evidence,but we will never know for sure until they decide to present themselves or we catch one.



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Could you list this so-called evidence, if there is any factual, non-circumstantial one.



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Since I've never seen an alien let alone a UFO, I tend to base my beliefs on supposition. It's merely my opinion, please don't jump my case because of it.

If so many people claim to see UFO's and aliens, are abducted, or attacked by them, there just might be the chance for this to be plausible at best.

I presume that if aliens exist and are watching over us, I would like to believe that they are really humans from our distant future and they are here to study us to see if they can change our evolution so slightly as not to eradicate their future existence, but merely to alter it slightly.

These aliens are predominantly claimed to look like short, frail creatures, pale in complexion with huge dark eyes and small mouths. To me this indicates they are living in low-light conditions. Logically one could conclude that they are either living underground or in dwellings where sunlight doesn't shine. This could be indicative of a damaged atmosphere which lets in lethal amounts of radiation perhaps. Being in darkness, this would explain the LARGE eyes and the pale skin. They must have a great diet, since they are so thing, yet so strong. This also would explain their small mouths.

It would make sense if an alien were here in our world today as a time traveller so they can manipulate us to alter their future to save their species perhaps millions of years from now. That might be their reason for intervention on Earth now.

It's just an idea. :)



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Sorry, this doesn't compute. concepts of time-travel are nice, for writing novels. But in reality i can't be done. And that's not just a question of being technologically more advanced. While with the right kind of technology it might be possible to move forward in time (by which I mean seemingly faster then the "normal" flow) it's an impossibility to move backward.



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I like to think outside of the box, and if aliens were really using Earth and her inhabitants as an experiment then I truly wonder what they would think of our race when they see:

* Wars and thousands dying
* Murder
* Rape
* Old and young being abused
etc etc etc

Is that anything to be proud of..is that something they could take back to their Alien planet to give us humans any credibility?

I don't think and well, really in view of all that, I think if the Aliens did set us here as an experiement they have already abandoned us in shame of it all.



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That is a Extremely different view than i have heard of and yet it makes sense all in one big leap hmm



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In a way, I'm waiting for someone to come to earth, to state their intention to the world... we gave you a chance and you blew it, say your goodbyes.



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I did read a book once (forget by who) that pointed out such alien interventions in the bible, such as the parting of the red sea for moses not done by god but by aliens. And that the concept of gods came from alien visitations.

Personally I think it was a bit of both.. maybe I have watch too much battle star galactica as a kid :P



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I have wondered this myself...sometimes though I often don't really agree with it...i cant rule out that it is possible.



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Upirlikhyj iv read finger prints of the gods… I guess it lets you decide on how you see thing give an answer… I do recommend reading more on the subject.
as you sound well read

I find it fascinating now we can read more of ancient history not destroyed by the Spanish destruction of a history, the clay cylinders with book and book on them amazing there calendars and so forth …. The reason they wished to silence them seem they talk of the nephilim not as we thought… they genetically modified us as slaves.. it back fired.

So are we an experiment… yes
Fortunately there war talked of caused mother nature to pole shift I think and floods ice age all documented.

Recommend atlantis



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lavisbre -

Nice to know there are others who have read "Fingerprints of the Gods." As for the author's conclusions, I disagree with many of them. However, this does not invalidate the evidences he presents of the near-identical accounts found from around the world of a small group of celestial visitors having descended anciently and taught mankind, initiating thereby the founding of Earth's greatest first civilizations.

As for the theory of some lost continent of Atlantis, of nuclear energy and a possible nuclear holocaust having occurred in Earth's distant past, of aliens having mined the Earth for gold and enlisted Humans as slave labor, and also having created Human Beings and/or genetically altered them, and on and on and on... my own careful scrutiny of such outlandish theories has convinced me strongly that they were largely concocted by authors (Zecharia Sitchin, in particular!!!) whose primary motive was not the discovery of Truth, but instead the lining of their own pockets with the gold of their gullible readers.

For example: I have already taken many of Sitchin's supposed Sumerian translations and presented them to the actual Sumerologists currently creating the online Sumerian Dictionary Project for their examination and evaluation of his translations. And without fail every single one of them were not only in error, but were not even closely translated correctly.

Sitchin couldn't even get the simple Sumerian term "anunnaki" (more correctly, "anunnake") right. Sitchin states that the word "Anunnaki" (the name by which these god swho descended were known) means "Those who from Heaven to Earth came". The actual correct translation for "Anunnake" is: "Sons of the (heavenly) Prince".

Thus, even in so simple a term as this, Sitchin couldn't get it right. In the end, what I found out what that Sitchin couldn't translate himself out of a paper bag, much less be counted on to place any such translations into proper historical context.

As for the Atlantis book and all the other wacko stuff you find on "Coast to Coast AM," when any of it is investigated (as any true scientist [skeptic!] ought to do before accepting anything as factual), it is almost always discovered to be ridiculous hocus-pocus that only benefits the authors thereof as they achieve fortune and fame from the money thrown at them by the extremely ignorant, superstitious, and gullible public who listens and accepts without question anything and everything they here on shows like that.

Truly the Romans had it right: Caveat Emptor !!!



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Wow, very interesting topic. I havent ever thought about it before and I do believe in aliens. After reading above, it is possible and tempting to believe/



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No. This world changes all the time it dies then is reborn at least that is what I think and same with everything else it is reborn into something.



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ET rocks! They helped us build stuff.



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I think it could be a possibility.. just think how many other beings could be out there. Considering (no offense to anyone) how stupid the human race is, as a whole, the chances they are more intelligent than us, especially if they have achieved long distance space travel, is great. We could be their experiment to see how quickly we can kill the planet.



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Any of you ever watch two ant colonies fight. A couple of years ago two colonies of ants, one from each side of my driveway, met on the driveway to fight. At first I thougth that some spilled oil on the driveway, as I came closer I could see the ants fighting. They covered several square feet, and there were columns of ants coming from each ant hill, and dragging dead bodies back. Over several days, the battle raged, the center of the battle where the thickest with the thickest density of ants moved back and forth, up and down the driveway. I watched some times for hours. It was fascinating. I research ant wars, there is much written on it. Ants actually secrete an acid with which they attack each other. The acid is exreted from the abdomin. I thought the were stinging each other, but they were spraying each other. I never could tell which ant hill won.

The point of the story is that, I didn't have any goal in mind but to learn more about what a saw happening. I wondered about their motivations, how they were organized, of they communicated, what they did with the dead body parts they were dragging back.

If higher beings found our planet, they may just study just like we study the lesser being on our own planet.



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10241024 --

-- great point, and one I have often considered as well. This point of view takes on even greater significance when we remember that one of the original names for these 200 males who descended anciently (the numbers vary depending on which ancient culture's legends are reviewed) were called "Watchers."

Whereas anciently, before science and the Scientific Method were developed and embraced, the concept of "observation" as paramount to scientific understanding and experimentation was completely unknown, yet still the name given them was "Watchers" ... in other words, "Observers."

Thus, just as scientists today observe, so also... apparently... did these ancient visitors likewise "observe," and were in fact named for this primary purpose they apparently revealed to us when they were here, thus resulting in their being called by that name: "Watchers."



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I could see them as being "watchers" if there was any merit to it. However I agree whole heartedley with boneyard and like to add that if there was intelligent life out there why would they bother to "watch" us? What would be their gain?



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The "merit to" them being Watchers is the indisputable historical fact that THAT is what they called themselves, as recorded in the Book of Enoch. As for why they were observing Humans here, I would think this to be precisely what xeno-sociologists would do... and what modern-day sociologists do in examining and observing other cultures. Additionally, even our simplistic sci-fi TV series such as "Star Trek" are replete with storylines where Human space travelers are tasked with "watching" (i.e., observing) alien societies. Thus, were we visited by aliens ourselves, would not this be the most expected purpose for such visits? Seems completely understandable... if not entirely expected!



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I agree with you Upir. I find myself just watching people. I was travelling this week, and it is quite entertaining to watch people in airports, trying to categorize frequent travellers compared to casual ones. How they dress for the flights, what they carry on, how they make their way through security checkpoints. I think we all find ourselves even studying each other.



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just as long as we dont find the aliens fair and make a half breed ... one that doesnt gell with nature and it beomes violent and ...well i could even be talking about earth lol



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If we are part of an alien experiment, they must be very disappointed on our progress!



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I do believe that Aliens exist and that they experiment with us. I don't think earth is their experiment, but I think they check us out and secretly interact among us. I am pretty sure they have nothing to learn from us because I have a feeling they are more intelligent, but i think they study us as interesting creatures.



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i think there frightened of us... they always seem to not want to get caught and run away... i think we must kick ass lol



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I can't say that there are aliens are not. I have no proof. I think it wouldn't make sense for us to believe that we are the only intelligent or for that matter the most intelligent species in our universe.

When you look at how we treat and view species to which we feel superior, we observe, we learn, we put them in zoos, we analyze their anatomy, we domesticate them, we put them to work and we raise them for food.

btw Lav, some of us seem to want to mate with them, but our society seems to think poorly of that activity.



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John Cooper Clarke (1949-)


(I Married A) Monster From Outer Space

The milky way she walks around
All feet firmly off the ground
Two worlds collide, two worlds collide
Here comes the future bride
Gimme a lift to the lunar base
I wanna marry a monster from outer space

I fell in love with an alien being
[She had a head as big as a TV screen]
Whose skin was jelly, whose teeth were green
[A glutinous complexion with a day-glow sheen]
She had the big bug eyes and the death-ray glare
Feet like water-wings, purple hair
I was over the moon, I asked her back to my place
And then I married the monster from outer space

The days were numbered, the nights were spent
In a rent-free furnished oxygen tent
Where a cyborg chef served up moonbeams
Done super-rapid on a laser beam
I needed nutrition to keep up the pace
When I married the monster from outer space

But when we went walking tentacle in hand
You could sense that the earthlings would not understand
They'd go nudge nudge when we got on the bus
Saying "It's extra-terrestial, not like us;
And it's bad enough with another race,
But f@#k me... a monster! from outer space?"

In this kind of atmosphere love went lame
She took a flare to from where she came
I read all the papers, looked up the stars
"Uranus is active and so is Mars"
My horoscope was horrible, told me to my face -
Avoid monsters from outer space

In a cybernetic fit of rage
She pissed off to another age
She lives in 1999
With her new boyfriend, a blob of slime
Each time I see a translucent face
I remember Errrrxxzztt from outer space.



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iv never seen proof of alien existence so i find that hard to believe myself



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if we did prove it ... would we like it?

we dont get on with our own people let alone a outworlder.... if we found outworld dna in some .... how would we act?
would we ban babys to stop the and keep up pure?



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I guess my thought here Lav was: If one of us attempted to mate with a species that we deem inferior, let say sheep, most folks would be up in arms. It is illegal in all states in the US and probably illegal or frowned upon in most civilized countries around the world. Most codes of ethics or moral would deem the practice unethical and immoral.

So if a superior race to us were to visit, might they feel the same way, that mating with us would be unethical and immoral.



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I've entertained the thought that we're just one giant experiment, but it's kind of hard for me to grasp.
i seriously doubt we are
but then again, you really never know.



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From the 1970s a book and movie based on it called Chariots of the Gods? Look it up at the book store or online.... interesting with various pictographs and artifacts from all over the world on aliens on earth.



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could be alot things have been made in the last few hears. Its hard to say if they made us are if there watching over us as a test. If we are a test we are not doing so good would gave earth a F. If it is true when we die is game over and no one realy knows. I am sure it is was true someone would know I guess.



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So I think that anything about aliens are a way of "normal" people trying to set up another outcast group so they can feel more "normal". lol



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Hi 10241024
If you set the goal post to sheep and man I guess, I have to kick it through the goal… mind you even though the general idea is not to hump the sheep… tell that to sailors around the world in old time why even farmers em students drunk.. em … well you get the idea ..lol
Man we even hump pillows n lumps in the sand…lol
Even an Apple pie lol



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I guess it may not be up to us if we would mate with aliens, they may not want to mate with us.



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I've thought about this before, and I can see how it would make sense of some things. But since there is no real evidence, I don't feel too strongly either way.



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It does warrent continued investigation.



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i must say that this is an interesting analagie and it sounds pretty cool and their is no proff of these things but word of mouth but a neat thought



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There are so many reported observations of an alien observing that make me wonder how this could be a true experiment if the watched know of the watchers.



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Well, it is a good theory, I must admit. I don't have many thoughts on this topic myself but you could be going somewhere with this. I have a friend who suggested that maybe people who can communicate with spirits are aliens. *shrugs* Makes sense to me!



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Certainly a lot of effort is going into listening to radio transmissions from space. Time will tell.



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Another species does egsist. But NLO-s are ourself from the future.



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Many cultures have documented this theory of beings from the heavens visiting earth and educating people. The Mayans have astral information that is very superior. I believe in this theory.



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Anything is possible.



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