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A lot of people think that Satanism is all about this Demon or Diety. A real Satanist would read in the Satanic Bible that Dr. Anton Szandor LaVey said to set yourself as a God and have others follow you. When you follow a being you are following the person who created that being. By using this advice we choose to call ourselves God and/or Satan, or what have ya.

To all those who do call themselves Satanists:
This means that you should not worship Dr. Anton Szandor LaVey. This also means that you do not have to base your religion on everything he said or did.

I do not understand LaVeyan Satanism. I take certain things he said and teach them only because I believe them.




"This book has the potential to change your life - it did mine. It is a diabolical work, written with elegance, earthiness, and might, serving quite magically as a mirror. If you look within these pages and see yourself; if you find its principles to be those you've lived by as long as you can remember; if you feel the evocation of an overwhelming sense of homecoming, then you will have discovered that you are a part of a scattered "meta-tribe," and the proper name for what you are is "Satanist."

By: Magus Peter H. Gilmore from page 9 of The Satanic Bible


though he said it is a "meta-tribe", it isn't about "us" or "they" or "them" or even "Satanists".... it is "Satanist" and "You" or "I" or "Me"..... that whole Meism that mom and dad tried to get you away from... that is it..... gain that back along with your creativity and imagination... find your free will too... quit being sheep.....


though Dr. Anton Szandor LaVey was a great man... do not worship him....... calling yourself a LaVeyan Satanist is just as offensive as a Gardnerian, Dianic or Alexandrian Wiccan..... you are still following someone else when you are adviced to follow You


any feedback?

While I agree with you on many aspects of the topic of Satanism. There comes a line which needs to be understood, that many lack the capacity to.

The difference in Satanism, Spiritual Satanism, Luciferianism, and a host of other demonic based religions say on the God Baphomet (god of magic, sorcery, and balance). Those who would walk the Downward LaVey path have made it very clear they dont care if they are hypocrites. They consider it to be part of the trademark for the atheism they represent.

Not all satanists practice or study the occult, some do.
Not all Satanists hold any stock in what the Satanic Church is up to.

There are demon worshipers out there who laugh at the children playing with grown up demons waiting for them to get bit.

LaVey rest his soul has done some marvelous works to get the notions rooted in society. Harmless to the passerby but down rite destructive for the order within the individual. In this world centered around the new bleeding edge, then of course there is a reasonable assertation then a religion of Me centric mentality may and has arisen not just in satanism but also in places like second life, imvu, myspace, with a satanic current of "me-ism" displaying itself proudly here on the profiles of the members.

When it comes to satanists there is a line in the sand which the satanists recognizes. One being that there is distinction to those who worship, work for. serve the god forces of Satan/Lucifer and those who do not. They can tell generally who does work for what. At least any of the useful ones ive met. They dont give a rats backside about who does what i the satanic church. Its more of a club for movie stars and self made people who can afford to enjoy the "Me" ideal because they have endure the wants and whims of others far to long, and in real material, economic, social, and religious ways.

To walk a path behind someone is only useful if you look for the lose ends to tie into the rope which will help pull you out of the caverns you will find yourself falling into. However there are demons in there so be prepared to face them.

Hah...


There are different kids of satanists...

Some of them are deific.

That is not to say that levay is the deity.

I think Satan is....

*laughs*

I am not a believer in duality...

but if I were, I supose I would be offended by such suggestions that Levay should be worshipped.


whichever type of satanist I was.

Wow thats a very interesting concept on the matter, I never really though satanism was anything other than worshiping satin, this made for an interesting read and opened my mind to new concepts on the matter.

Saitanism is just like any other religion. There are so many versions of it, who is to say what one is right and wrong.

Religion is a very subjective thing. everyone has an opinion and no ones choice is right or wrong. I choose not to be a satanist, but that is my choice. I will never hold religous choice against anyone

The thing I notice in your first paragragh > set yourself up as Gods and let others follow you.

What if everyone was a satanist and thought that ?

There would'nt be anyone to to follow would there ?

Sinora good point about the following. All religions have a god of some type and then the followers

Good point, Sinora... that's my thought process on it.

As a devout Christian- I don't believe in the devil/Satan. It may be a odd stance for some to wrap their heads around. It's hard for me to take a religion serious that uses the being I think that was created out of fear as their posterboy, even if that is not a 'god' they worship. But... that is their religion and so if I want respect for mine, I try and dish the same out. I do like to keep a focus on respect. I can be challenging though.

It is an individual choice just like any other religion with so many different ways to interpret the information given and groups that branch off of the main.

I have not read the satanic bible, just as I have not read the holy bible, (personal choice at present), now if I am following this particular thought process right i.e. lets label everything and wrap it neatly in literature for everyone to follow, then did “God” not create the “Devil”, thereby according to Dr. Anton Szandor LaVey, people are following the being which created The Devil, that being “God“….see where I’m going with this? and yes I realise that this response only pertains to that of an organised religion.

On that note another view is that God (the being) may in essence have created the devil, but what actually turned his creation, is the source of opposing forces, call it meism if you will , on a base level, this I can relate to modern day societal structures and more to the point is beyond the title of “Devil”.

Well stated. People want a leader, they want to be able to blame the leader.. the figure head, the creation of a third party in faith is a precondition to people with lack of self motivation to be led into something, if they decide or have a revalation that something no longer wows them, and starts to require more devotion, they blame the leaders interpitation of something to leave and even turn against what they so spontaneously adopted, usually because someone gave them a flattering image to begin with. I see the "commercial" santanist as nothing more then worshipping an opposite side of the christian coin, they are very predictable because they are the ones that really want to be acknowledged as opposite God.

I could get very blasé on this matter, and my utter contempt for all those who jump, could show through… but due to Queen playing, that is unlikely, unless of course you tube fails me! People do jump on a thought strain of a creator but what they FAIL to realise is creators are constantly evolving, and when this conflicts with their tiny, miniscule outlook created purely from a lacking self-drive, chaos ensues and blame of non committal IS allocated, failure to recognise that everything is debatable!

Would you see that as a preset default as well, if they fail to "experience enlightenment" it is not the fact that they lacked devotion, it is because the "leader" was faulty. It is because my parents raised me bad, thats the same reasoning, sopmores in collage use when they realize they developed no individual identity, and that educated people are no longer awestruck by their self proclaimed enlightenment under some popular leader.. they tell others that they are closed mind to the teaching of the leader, and that if they open their mind they will be enlightened as well.

So they want to be closer to the leader then you are. If there is no leader there is no rank without rank they cannot raise their devotion above yours, and others unenlightened to their ultamint interpitation. when you wish and are assured by the core belief, before all the extremist, and sensationalist decorate it for their parade.

If people are incapable of making informed choices and decisions with regards to their education/enlistment then on their own heads…..and yes I am aware of the get out clause of “societal constraints“…regardless,….brass tacks, people will act to their own ends, regardless of leadership.

I enjoyed reading the Satanic Bible by Anton Lavey. My husband at the time was big into it and i was interested in the novilty of being being bold enough to be one's own god.

thinking about it instinct is god. that makes a lot of sense yes. the only reason I do not lable myself as satanist is because its too shocking, whereas labling myself athiest entices conversing about natural selection, as opposed to receiving bogus accusations of abductions, and sacrifices and all the things hollywood wants people to think about satanism.

and I understand that, but for them to place others below themselves, because of their disbelief or lack of subscribing to their accepted faith, I cannot sit and let such things crush others into thinking themselves less then someone else for their lack of acceptance of a variation on a core belief they may have already. Without all the fringe, I like my cake without frosting, am I less of a person because I am not smothering something with sensational icing?

I think most people give and take from their religion, take a part of another and mix it with one's own belief system. To just follow blindly without being an individual and just being sheep..is not really living.
In the end we all have to be honest with ourselves and act as what is in our own hearts.

Correct unattached to all the astonishing claims a persons faith sould be less then physical in nature. If you think haveing a lot of people believe like you is going to get you far on your own, without other followers around you will likely lose your faith, or lack of faith in something. Especially if you need someone to share testimony in place of normal "here life" conversation, I mean how many times does" I am a Satanist, I follow Satan.", work as an Ice breaker?

I think we are losing track of the topic under discussion, that being what “real “Satanist’s should be reading!

Oh, please don’t assume to know what my outlook/philosophy’s are, I play “Devil’s” advocate……a lot!

Studying what is not attributed to one persons interpatation through claims of enlightened communications I find are sound for adopting assurance. When a text that is studied is constantly "updated" I get suspicious, I may pick up other bibles or text and study their core belief. I will also look at division, or splinter groups. are there more "radical, denominations then "conservative" denominations, are they at "war" among themselves? If it comes down only to what a person does or does not accept and that is all then fine it is "sacred to the individual" yet to denounce others belief or lack of belief is never encouraged. With or without a figure head, we will all be accountable to something, whether it is our own creation or a collective creation will be unknown until then. No body is above others, some may be more charismatic then others and may me able to guide others to find a path, yet that doesn't make them a leader, a catylst in faith or philosopy is helpful but a valued mentor will fall short of being a leader.

"Self-development is important to Theistic Satanists. This is due to the Satanists' view of Satan, who is seen to encourage individuality and freedom of thought, and the quest to raise one's self up despite resistance, through means such as magic and initiative. They believe Satan wants a more equal relationship with his followers than the Christian God does with his. The main sin as the Christian god and his followers see it is that someone does not bow down to God.[31] They seek to remove any means by which they are controlled or repressed by others and follow the herd, and reject authoritarianism."[32] Theistic Satanism


Theistic Satanists, (as oposed to Levayan, or TOS or whatever) believe, if I remember correctly, in a physical Satan; te concept is one of duality that everything must have an opposite.

The concept that Satan is an advocate for humans to thrive in individuality, rather than to behave like sheep; is quite interesting to me. That satan lead man, to experiment with the concept of individuality and to explore his free will via the apple, makes a certain sense.

It implies that although GOD gave man free will, he had no intention of us exploring it (especially to the current magnrtude;) and that without satan showing us that we COULD be individuals (and indeed coaching us in it, when God seams to be absent) we would be no better than COWS.

Now don't get me wrong, cows are holy (especially in the hindu tradition) because they fullfill Gods purpose; but a man is infinitely more holy due to his free will, if he chooses to serve God.

Whether or not we need a Deity for this purpose, I don't know... but the concept that a man gets to heavan a lot quicker if he takes the short cut, is a lot older than Levay.

So does placing priest between a deity make the priest better then the follower? if they stopped at the Deity being the leader I would be inclined to call it sacred between them and that deity, yet to allow a leader ship role among followers to exist that requires devotion to the priest as well as a deity..

I think that the point that levay is trying to make is; cut out the middle man and the wholesaler and just grow your own. Which makes an odd sense if you believe in the concept of Nirvana and/or returning to God, and/or the concept that the universe is so interconnected that you might as well say that each molecule should not think of itself as anything but identical to the rest of the universe.


Except that it sounds odd that a "religeon" that preaches individuality... would indeed be trying to achieve oneness with the universe...

I wouldn't follow any of how those people worship to a tee. I only use them for guidelines on what to do and then just do my own way of praticing, so I have my own methods created in time.

Well stated, my hobbies are unique to me, if someone disagrees with my use of the hobby medium then they really don't have to be interested in my hobby, if they use the hobby medium as well, and they declare to be the only one who can make me fully apprciate the hobby, and they want me to make craft in the way they dicipline others to do.. no I think not.. a waste of me well payed for investment into medium. If they know a few common aids to the craft then great I also like people that practice my hobby to share trivia and historical references to my hobby, but I will not display my crafts in a collective lead by a person who may claim to be the inspiration for my craft..

I b'lieve that Satanists are free t' int'rperate they worship 'owever it suits them, which is why I could nev'r follow any ot'er religion, guidelines that say you will d' this an' this or you 'ave sinned...

Just because doesnt necessarily make you something. Satanism isnt about anarchy or isolation from humanity. It's about embracing the power of the self, the abilities that are held on the inside. It has nothing to do with gods or demons. It's based on you, yourself, as the center of your world/universe.

LeVey wrote mostly essays on philosophy in the Satanic Bible, with some rituals to give it form. He never said to worship him, this would of been laughable in the face Crowley, who had brought a more acceptable face to magikal practice in the 20th century. Crowley asked in his news interview in the '20's, for people not to worship him.
I myself lean towards the LeVeyian form of the practice over the treatise of the Temple of Set, co-written by LeVey in '75.
I think LeVey did much of what he had set out to do, the formation of the Church of Satan, and the proliferation of the rituals and philosophy of the Satanic Bible. He'd given Satanism a face, something definitedly needed in Warhol's philosophy of pop culture, but he didn't say to worship him.

All Hail Satan, High and Mighty King of Hell!

so, by seeing the responses in here, people agree with me... that is awesome, i though maybe i was hallucinating when i read this stuff and then thought about how people practice.......

i had a discussion the other day about false practitioners who read a few things and think they understand it all, i admit i am new to Satanism, but at least i know not to follow a guy who says to create yourself as a deity rather than follow others

Just about everything, if not all, I have read from Dr Anton Szandor LaVey's work I have found to be a part of what I believed for years, as a matter of fact i can't find anything I argue with



I certain can't go around calling myself a Meist though or a Pyroist or some derivative of my real name because no one will understand it, though no one understands Satanism either

Satanism is about living life to the fullest --it is in no way a religion , nor do we worship Dr.LaVey .we apply his teachings to our way of life, whatever that my be .

well I just think like any Religion Satanism is the same people whom claim their religion, yet many practice their religion according to what suits them .... I mean all religions can be seen differently to everyone. so.... to me it is just another persons belief is all whether it is actually worshing the devil or not ..it is another way of belief, and well I respect any and all belief . to each their own, yet myself I would not worship a man LOL no matter whom he is. I would read and learn from them and go from there.

There are two main branches of Satanism. The Crowley satanists who follow Alister Crowley and his orginasation OTO and the silver star, and then there are Laveyan satanists who follow the satanic bible and the church of satan.

Most satanist are followers of what LaVey established. Now that we are clear on that.

Being a satanist is very individual, it all depends on how much you weigh LaVeys word. I like the 9 satanic statements which is basically a rewrite of the 10 commandments.

Here is my personal experience, opinion and view of satanism.

I used to be a satanist for a few years, but there were to much negativity in it for me, which often collided with the postive person I am.

When I was into satanism I read the satanic bible and every other source of information I could get my hands on.

As you state, Satanism is not about worshipping a "being" called Satan or Lucifer, it is about worshipping man and his/hers superiority. Or said in a different rather harsh way, a narcissistic form of Nihilism.

It is basically centered around your own ego, you are number one.

This was just the key elements of my personal view as a satanist. I was a very active member of the danish group Satanisk forum where we made workshops etc. to enlighten people.

Satanism has grown extremely popular, especially around little emo teens who needs a place to belong and to get some attention.

Not saying that goes for all though.

Like all religions I feel that Satanism is worshipped according to how they believe, and are taught . I mean you can go to another church , Temple,etc... and there is something done differently, even if it is just a small thing.

There are many people who call theselves "SATANISTS" and the only thing they know is a pentagram, H.I.M and doing sophmoric things. They do not know about teachings and writers and concepts. They give Satanists a bad name.

maybe there aught to be a setian forum thread, i am not the one to make it, i just figure it might help to inform people the difference between worshipping a dark entity vs worshipping ones own better interest responsibly.

thank you thedarkx and hottubmolly

you pointed out something i think should have pointed out

When people seek to apostate from a god.. they will strick out in the opposite direction, "worship the other side of the coin as it would be" so one is likely to follow still the negative of the same theology.

Theres only one real form of satanism...and thats satanism..

Luciferianism, Setianism, Avestians,

The systems to work with are the Demonolotary, the Goetia, the Qlipoth, and a few other demonic works.

To properly be able to discuss anything about demons, fallen forces, and religion one must be using their terminologies correctly.

Its like saying Athame (ath ame") is the same thing as a boline...its two different types of weapon used for the arts, But its still a blade.

These terms ARE NOT interchangeable like mismatching a pair of socks. Please get your terms correct.

if that is so then why are they often mistaken for one another? it is good to educate one another to keep assumptions and stereotypes at bay.

Well I want to start a splinter group off of an already established practice as well then..

dabbler why does your posts suddely 19? last i checked it was over 1000!

his posts are over 1000
his level is 19

They have been jumping about.. but not now..

satanists are said to have these rituals that are so sinister and gorey that it has to be a myth.

i cant disprove one way or another the validity of these claims but i can point out one obvious reason why i doubt they exist.

and that is the fact that satanists are quite how should i put this -- bullheaded. getting a bunch of satanists together for one event would be like herding cats. everyone has their schedual and they do not necissarily involve dropping everything to go kill a goat because a book told them they should.

Infernalmage.....


r u saying that you agree with me when i say that those who call themselves Satanists they should not be LaVeyan Satanists....etc...


like i said, to literally follow follow Dr Anton Szandor LaVey and create a separate religion, group or sect after him would be blasphemy to his teachings

blashemy to his teachings would be supress your instincts, and if your instincts tell you that you should blaspheme his teachings then really your actually doing what he was trying to convey. so its a paradox kinda but if you think about it, its not hard to imagine.

Molly the ritual abuse scare, that is a documented thing.. all based on " experimental recovered memory sessions" some of the hack self accredited practicioners are still in "practice" one even started her own cult.

depends on the book.

The majority of the little worms which go running amuck like wiccans do to general paganism is the same sort of thing that happens.

Things like the Black mass, which were written down from the middle ages, thats about 1200 CE for you lazy people, so thats figure about 800 or so years of people working with sacrifices, and blood rites.

There is nothing wrong with blood rites, sacrifices are part of daily life. Devotion is not shown through acts of destruction, but what is allowed to live to endure through the destruction and desolation in ones own life.

Religion is not meant for you to disapprove of, or to have an opinion on if you do not do the necessary foot work for its understanding. These are paths which people walk, because they for what ever reason are drawn to those lessons. So for people who have the loud and vulgar disposition of being judgmental, you are the exact type which gives any subculture, or religion a bad name. Be it agnostic, or atheist, or Christian, or pagan. Temper your own attitudes and calm down.

Satanism has as many off shoots as any monotheistic religion, with its primary god force, and angelic and demonic hosts.

the one thing i agree with on satanic rituals is the naked woman as an altar. beautiful. never experienced one so i very well may be talking out my ass.

Oh your a ventiliquist?

DEPENDS ON THE PERSON REALLY....

yes, i like to be the puppeteer, those weak minded fools are my puppets

HellHathWings:

I was just wondering, what you meant when you said, "A real Satanist would read in the Satanic Bible that Dr. Anton Szandor LaVey said to set yourself as a God and have others follow you."?

I consider myself a real Satanist, but I am Theistic. I do not follow the ways of LaVey, but that does not make me any les of a real Satanist.

Just looking for some information on your choice of words!

depends on your point of view... as someone else has said if you scroll up ...... i dont remember the name



they said there is only one satanism, sorry but theistic isn't one of them

did anyone catch that ^^

But I was not asking about what someone else said. I was asking you why you used the term "real" Satanists. You used the phrase prior to the other person using this phrase.

i find that most people when they hear the word satanist they run and think the person worships lucifer which is so not true,to me a real satanist is his/her own god anton szandor lavey has alot of good books on satanism i would highly recomend reading them.

I guess I just do not understand why anyone would want to be so limited in their thinking. To me, stating that only this, this, and this will qualify as a "real" Satanist is the same as stating that only Catholics and Episcopalians are "real" Christians.

It just isn't true. Beliefs come in many forms and none of us has the right to stick "real" in front of our chosen belief system as if we were writing cosmic law.

a Satanist first off, would not call themselves by anything but Satanist... not Theistic, LaVeyan...etc, that is what sheep do and Satanism is based on not being a sheep, thus making a Satanist an anarchist, rebel and pirate.....


second, since you are attacking me i am going to refer you to the literature.... i do not explain myself nor my religion to sheep if they are going to attack me like a Christian would

thank you,

have a bloody night filled with screams and terror of a 1000 demons and incubi tearing your soul to shreds

As a hedonist all can do what they want.. only not at expense of the right of others to do the same. Does that make me a Satanist.. No, am I a "real" hedonist, I only know one kind of hedonism..

now it makes one ownder what is considered orthodox and one just a run of the mill practitioners

did u just learn that word dabbler, you seem to be using hedonism all night now

and the wall paper followers, which are one notch above Wanna-bes..

high five to dabbler

and a beer, if you want one

I hear them satenists have horns and pointy tails .
And they're all red .

Hedonistis Ambrosa.. certainly..

Xanael


as a matter of fact, one of my plans and goals when i can afford it and find someone to do it, is implant horns into my cranium

i want the screw on ones of course so i can interchange them... not to mention take them off at night

Haha . Someone's been watching Hellboy all night long again .

you all fell out of the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down to hell didn't you?

HellHathWings, I actually know a man with silicon horns implanted 'n his head, he's 'n Ripley's B'lieve It or Not, but I actually met him 'n real person. He can't take them off though b'cause their under his skin...

I personally think that Anton Levey was just fuckn around when he wrote all that. Personally I prefer mr Crowely's take on things.
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"

Here is some more on this topic..

https://www.vampirerave.com/forum/message.php?message=15526&group=1&catid=1

you guys are great

well, i like the sith definition, where they think inwardly. i'm sorry, but i don't believe we are selfless creatures by default, we're selfish and we act on the needs of the one.

That is very Hedonist of you^ Party on..

How is it that a satanist, I mean a real satanist... not believe in satan?

It seams to me a real satanist would believe in satan.

Shouldn't you be calling your "real satanist" a selfist?

or is that selfish?

Then you can leave satanism to the satanists (ist indicating somone who follows satan) and they don't have to differentiate themselves from the masses of nondeific satanists by saying theistic. I'm pretty sure that as an official term, "real satanist" was not previously taken... so then it must be that theistic satanists thought that the term was probably too stupid (banal) to use. I mean... I've met some stupid satanists in my time but all satanists have generally got one thing in common... they at least try to think for themselves (levay aside) and I'm pretty sure that most of them would have backed off from the term "real satanist" quite a few days ago...and admitted they were wrong.

But that's my opinion and I'm entiteled to it because I am real selfish.
*smirk*

Well Craft is Real Cheesy .. but notice that it is not actually cheese.

It comes down to the PR behind terms. What looks good on a service program.

a real satanist as you so put it beleiving in satan by that definition is a christian dont you think?

worshipping satan as a deity would involve beleiving in god and all that other BS to put it nicely. so that would make them a modern setian. maybe there is a better term to use in this era, not sure but i do know that satanism as i know it is definately a way of saying selfish bastard. (in a fun way)

Again you look at it backwards as per usual like looking though a dirty window. Never seeing the real images inside.

A real satanist is one who walks down the street and says I am a satanist. Their heart pumping, and their minds thinking, forming words and for that moment, they spread the notion that something would align to the Satan - Lucifer current.

For all of you who missed your Latin 101 class, or any practical discussion on the topic - you morons.

Lucifer means bringer of light, or light barer.

The reason why Lucifer was thrown out of heaven is because he wanted people to be able to have free will. he fought for humanity so they have the rights to choose, so that the gods would not wipe the earth clean and start over again making more subservient races like the angelic hosts.
That is it. The spirit of change, the Great truth of the devil. He encourages changes in order, and supports free will.

What god does however is "only through me will you truely live" the satanist says "i live because of me, and no god will tell me otherwise"

So all you idiot children running your mouths about people being selfish. If you wanna talk martyrs like Christ, Lucifer is right up there at the top of it.

Created as you seem to understand it.. by Christians..

Exactly, well spoken!

Dabbler, the Christians have only spawned from this idea.


Lucifer is an angel of Ahura Mazda, an emanation of Ahriaman called Azhi Duhaka. Chief among the hierarchies. One of the eight emenations of Ahriman. Which is islamic and Avestian.

Lets remember our history Dabbler,

Lucifer as an angel was referred to by the Jews. The Christians, have just adapted their own views from their parent religion of Judaism. They focus on the man not the overall cosmology and the general message is lost.

Where the individual as stated in Genesis "To be as god, knowing both good and evil" One must know the light and dark ways if they expect to work with anything on the tree of life, or if they expect to have any future with higher level forms of Judaic magick.

Christians have very little to do with it, and same with the catholics, except perverting the lore, and histories which is what they are good at.

I have never read it...yet. But for the most part I try to follow my own path, wherever it may lead anyway.

I am my own "GOD", I have no need to bend a knee in prayer to a god that will not hear my words. I alone control the forces to my existance, emotions, and death. They are my choices which create opportunities or close the doors, not a god of man's creation.

Satanism is just another religion, pr another cult, if you will... The funny thing about it is that without God, Satanism would've not existed... What people do not agree with is the rituals in some satanic churches, which are far from being not moral, but legal...
Like with every other religion, as long as its believers do not harm me or attempt to disturb my life, I am ok with it...

i really dont believe in satan or god really
i believe in a higher power... you know what i mean..
i sounds silly. but its true.
like who is "satan" and who is "god".
my opinion is really there is really no such thing as them

Whatever happened to free will or the ablilty to do what you wanted that made you happy or whole. A person is
allowed to follow, lead, stagnate or whatever. Nobody has the right to tell what, who, when, or why. I find it very offensive when write or say such and should worry more about themselves and leave others to their vices.

Yet Christianity 'ave actually taken holidays an' ot'er forms o' worship from earlier religions. They "borrowed" diff'rent settin's t' fit their needs, when there were already someone who made/discovered it.

this was awesome, i am new to Satanism

I notice that it is no longer just wearing the team uniform, but also the way the uniform is worn.. so you can seldom be all that accepted.. without someone claiming to wear it better then you, perhaps because they have a gold stamp on theirs. So now you need a gold stamp on your uniform to be any significants in the team. Showing up at the game and playing to the best of your ability is not what it seems to be about any more.

I often see that as well, Dabbler. Ev'ryone is tryin' t' be better than the ot'er when 'n fact they lose sight o' what they once started wit'...

I don't know, I thought santinasim was just worshipping the devil and waiting for the devil to come up from hell.

I do not agree with the teachings of Satanism, especially this one. As you said, this person wrote that anyone can set themselves up as a "God" or "Devil" figure and have people follow them.

Every human, including myself, is flawed. Humans are on the edge of a knife of temptation,l naturally drawn to things such as lying, greed, etc. Except for Jesus, who was without sin, no human has the right to hold power over another. We have all done wrong.

Now, that is in the "God" perspective. I can't understand why anyone would follow a "Devil" figures, except for the simple, fleeting pleasures of the flesh.

As a hedonist those "simple fleeting pleasures of the flesh" you mention are to be embraced .. here and now.. why do Christians await" Pie in the sky"?

In any religion, be it christianity, satanism or whatever, things start going wrong when someone turns round and insists that only their way is right. That seems to be what Hellhathwings is doing; refusing to accept that there may be other paths to follow other than the one he's on.

At the end of the day, it's whatever you feel is right for YOU; If you want to follow the doctrines of the Catholic Church and call yourself a Catholic, don't let anyone try to tell you you can't. If you want to follow the teachings of Anton LaVey and call yourself a LaVeyan Satanist, don't let anyone tell you you're not a proper satanist.

That's like saying I'm not a proper wrestler because I don't do swanton bombs from the top rope...

Labels are dangerous only when other people use them as weapons and insults.

Once a persons believes they are equal among believers.. some are settled at that.. those religions keep to them selves.. they may think themselves more enlightened then others.. but I say who cares.. they get to miss out on the varity of life.. may they get what they devoted themselves to in the after life they created.

Yet those that .. insist that others need to convert.. and cal them unenlightened, even ignorant.. they need to get out of my face.. the thing is that even if one converted.. they would "fuss" over the new convert (like a baby), and then they are once again in a more enlightened position.. so now the convert needs to Testify.. needs to Witness to others.. needs to be able to accept interpitations exactly like the more ranking members.. all along telling the convert that they are more enlightened then the world.. makes me sick.. the moment they have a crisis of faith, the whole thing goes "tit dry".

Those that gather to bring individuals together for shared interest without one being more then a topic and forum started.. that is a notable
difference to the above mentioned.. I mean a Chrisian will convert some say ten people of that ten how many do you think "convert" just for company.. how many convert not out of devotion but for curiousity/

I'm no was into satanism but I have always wondered how some claim there isn't a god.I am not saying there is either but i do believe you can't have one without the other.

one of my friends is a satanist...
he believes in the devil...
and evil ways....
but he is funny and pulls pranks...
nothing like want to the world to suffer in the flames or anything... just a funny dude....
for me...
i do not believe in anything to much anymore...
god or the devil...

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