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I've just read a few stories about the occurance of human bodies suddenly bursting in to flames all of a sudden, their whole bodies turning into cinders. Do you think this is really possible? and if so then why does nothing else around these bodies also burn? Is this the work of the devil or is there a scientific reason for this?




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Pyro Studies have advanced so much that they have shown most of the cases documented as questionable support for such cases.. yet they have been determined.. with 2 cases out of 15 being left "Unexplained by current avaliable evidence.. (note this was from the earlest cases, so the gathering of evidence was faulty, or left out key factor.



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I just wrote a big, long post to this and then I lost the page! Grrr...

So anyway, to make a shorter one. I have seen shows on it and they have people on there that it has happened to. One woman was riding in the car with her husband and her leg caught on fire. She was interviewed for the show.

Then there is the famous picture of the woman that only her legs were left, and everything else around her was intact.



There is also the person that died in the bathroom and the toilet paper still there and not burned. Crazy.

It's scary stuff.










I have heard lots of theories but nobody seems to know for sure. Some say it's the chemical make-up in your body, who knows.



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I have heard of several cases of spontaneous human combustion. One of the theories was that the person was consumed with a fierce anger. I was afraid to lose my temper for a long time after that!! lol But the most prevalent theory was a massive chemical imbalance caused it to happen. Every time I've heard of it happening, nothing was burnt except the person. It's very interesting and very scary.



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I have herd of it but personally dont think its possible. theres something about it that just dosnt seem right. I mean fires fire its gonna burn whatever it touches. I dont know it all seems like a bunch of nonsense to me



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The scientific explanations for many of the so called "sponaneous human combustion" occurances addresses the unusual remains left by certain fire victims. Often only a few or a single body part(s) or extremeties will remain. Sometimes clothes or toilet paper, as mentioned above ,will remain unburned. What has actually occured is much more mundane than spontaneous combustion but nonetheless interesting.
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They have turned into human candles. A low intensity fire has started, usually due to a cigarette or some other low intensity spark and set a corpse on fire. The body's fat slowly turns to oil and thier own clothing acts as a wick...slowly incenerating the body. Experiments using pigs dressed in clothing have repeatedly borne out identical results to those pictured above.



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If that were the case, don't you think that the person would be on the floor, because they simply wouldn't sit or lounge there in the chair as they are on fire?! hahaha......I would think that they would run around trying to put themselves out.

AND, I would also think that if a person were on fire, they would catch other things around them on fire too. I have seen enough fires to see that if some THING is on fire, the fire doesn't simply stay with that one object....it jumps, it spreads, it consumes. It doesn't stop simply because the object has been reduced to ashes.

Sorry, I just don't see that as logical. ?



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I dont think that this is possible, i have watched somw programmes on it and it shows that its not possible, well especially without anything else around burning.



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This is an interesting topic with many, many theories. The one's who believe will show enough information that they think their side is supported and the other side will show reasons it is impossible. If the body can raise its temperature who is to say that some sort of biological field can't get out of control. I have read that the intensity of the fires are extremely high. It is like they have been cremated.



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But i am sure that the body has no combustible liquids in it, AS most of it is water. If water can combust then id like to know.



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I think it can. If hot enough I think the molecule seperates and the oxygen and hydrogen become combustible, but we are talking super heated beyond steam

Title: Water combustion technology - methods, processes, systems and apparatus for the combustion of hydrogen and oxygen
Abstract: This invention presents improved combustion methods, systems, engines and apparatus utilizing H2, O2 and H2O as fuel, thereby providing environmentally friendly combustion products, as well as improved fuel and energy management methods, systems, engines and apparatus. The Water Combustion Technology; WCT, is based upon water (H2O) chemistry, more specifically H2O combustion chemistry and thermodynamics. WCT does not use any hydrocarbon fuel source, rather the WCT uses H2 preferably with O2 and secondarily with air. The WCT significantly improves the thermodynamics of combustion, thereby significantly improving the efficiency of combustion, utilizing the first and second laws of thermodynamics. The WCT preferably controls combustion temperature with H2O and secondarily with air in the combustion chamber. The WCT preferably recycles exhaust gas energy as fuel converted from water. The WCT minimizes external cooling loops and minimizes exhaust and/or exhaust energy, thereby maximizing available work and internal energy while minimizing enthalpy and entropy losses.


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Spontaneous Human Combustion is one of Life's great Mysteries, where oftentimes the furniture such as armchairs are untouched, and feet are the only things to remain, and I would guess myself it is a scientific thing, rather than via 'agency of the Devil'...;)

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That sounds really friggin weird. I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with vampyres though because we don't really burst into flames like the hollywood vamps do.
I'd say it might be possible. There is a hole in the ozone layer down in antarctica i believe, so maybe the were there and stuff??



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This phenomenon is well-documented, and is completely separate from anything to do with Vampires, and the attendant photographic evidence is quite compelling...;)

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I've always thought that it was a possibility--but with so many advancements in the field of forensics and medicine, I am more inclined to agree with the skeptic's view of this so-called unexplained phenomenon:

* * * * * * * * * *

Can human beings spontaneously combust?

To answer this we need to look at what combustion is. Under normal circumstances there are three requirements for combustion; often called the fire triangle:

An oxidising agent: There are many oxidising agents other than oxygen; however, with the case of domestic fires it is oxygen from the air that acts as the oxidiser.

A fuel: The fuel is the substance that reacts with the oxidizing agent during combustion.

A heat source: This could be a spark, a flame, or a hot item like a cigarette, burning coal, or the bar of an electric fire. This is what ignites the mixture of fuel and oxidizing agent.

Although Spontaneous Human Combustion proponents believe that it involves an internal source of combustion, all accounts of burned bodies show that burning occurred from the outside in; many internal organs actually survive the burning, and in no cases are the internal organs burned more badly than the outside of the body.

This means that in cases of human combustion, an external source of ignition, a heat source, is required; which means that spontaneous combustion does not occur in human beings.

Reference and further reading:

Spontaneous Human Combustion





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This is a really good post, i too have seen shows where peole have stated that this has happened, i mean no one knows fro sure, wcould it be caused by such a severe high fever as someone else pointed out ?



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Totally believe in it. My guess would be maybe a excess off oxygen in the blood?



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We do know for sure that spontaneous combustion is not very unlikely. We know now what was unknown when the "phenomena" was first brought to popular science forums. I would look back to those that have pressed the issue.. what they had vested in a new discovery. I also wonder how much they expected to collect in grants for studying supposed cases of spontaneous combustion. How many cases they dug up, to make their case.. how many florensic finding they suppressed.. how many times they found other signs of combustion..

Something from the FBI follow up to a hall mark case. http://www.rense.com/general3/debunks.htm



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here is another investigation of a journalist claim to a case.. and the journalist that investigated the journalist report.http://anomalyinfo.com/articles/sa00025.php



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19:41:27 Aug 26 2008
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This is one among few things that cant be explained just yet, still many believe in it.
My brain is telling me this isnt possible, my heart says just go with the mystery and love it.



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I believe spontaneous combustion may be caused by a chemical reaction in the body to outside factors such as sunlight to those with no skin pigment or the chemical composition to transfer it into pigment. I also believe it may be due to an irregulation of the bodies natural thermostat and homeostasis.I think this dual combination of factors could indeed make some chemicals naturally present in the body interact violently like the phosphorus breaking down and such to create an initial chemical chain reaction in the body similar to when phosphorus or the like is exposed to water and it ignites. If some of the elements present in the body are allowed to be deposited in one place and then build up and when the water in the body ignites it flesh and hair is indeed very flammable especially when exposed to high amounts of heat.



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No doubt it pushed the field forward in pyro studies. I just want to know who had something to gain from such things being found to exist? I think it has to do with fringe/pseodo-scientist looking for a niche'.



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There's most likely a scientific reason why people burst in to combustion or it might just be one of those things that happens naturally .



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It does take a specific environment for such fires to occur. Thus the low number of cases to study to find those scientific answers. I can see how volunteers would be hard to find. The pig Was the first to provide answers. The same research set in motion actual recalls of blankets, and linens made with a specific material.



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Ever since i was a child SHC was mentioned strange events on the 6:00 pm news no explanations.And thanks to Rastaferal and the rest of those wonderful people posting the theory I don't have to get into it.
I studied forensics for many years and that was a topic we had to get into.
The why the body burns
The how dose it turn in to fuel.
And how often can this occur.
We did extensive studies on pigs and could not come
to a conclusive dissension so the question remains.
What and Why dose Spontaneous Human Combustion
Happen.



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I have gone into the teaching of psionics and the ability of one to control natural elements of pyrokinetic and cryokinetic influences.In my time I have noticed indeed it requires not only environmental but mental and physical stimuli to maintain or control ones specific environment around them through the influence of the energy fields around them. though maintaining the mindset required to use certian things from person energy manipulation is difficult and to be able to create that initial spark of combustion is also difficult with out the use of an outside source to manipulate it.



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The rinvestigation of claimd SHC have exposed this as the culprit.


http://www.rense.com/general3/debunks.htm



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~chuckles softly~ SHC is a possibility for some things that have been witnessed over the years,even though in this case it may not apply. I have seen some definitely interesting things occur that with my scientific mind I can come up with an explanation and then find the proof to back it up. Most people in some cases when there is the unexplainable can write it off as something as I have seen.



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Chuckles softly? Is it your position that SHC exist? Why are you all chuckling.. ?do you find the something funny about people being consumed by avoidable fires? why is it so important that people accept SHC as a possiblity? Could it have something to do with your claim of psychic phenomena?



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My father in law who has since passed away,Was a volunteer fire fighter and had responded to many fires.
And some could not find a reason to why the person was burnt up and the area around them as well.But not the whole building he talked about what forensics come up with the conclusion that the body created its own fuel.because perhaps the person had a heart attack while smoking and fell on the cigarette.But what they could not explain was only the area where he was burnt was burnt up and none around the out side of the circle.But as all C.S.I. people the case Is cold and perhaps cold.Evident he was smoking and burnt up.



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My grandfather survived an explosion in his house that took the house off it's foundation and the roof off when it triggered the propane tank outside to explode. After 2 and half years the government could not replicate the initial cause of the explosion nor any of the factors involved to create that exact specific combination to cause the damage it did as it did. My grandfather was pyrokinetic and worked many years in the military with his experiences and abilities. He worked ops for many years and I traveled with him from time to time honing my own skills an abilities in the arts, to be allowed to teach them later on in life.



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http://www.the13thstory.com/krg/words/combustion.html



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Re:

"If that were the case, don't you think that the person would be on the floor, because they simply wouldn't sit or lounge there in the chair as they are on fire?! hahaha......I would think that they would run around trying to put themselves out.

AND, I would also think that if a person were on fire, they would catch other things around them on fire too."


As I said before...the fire was set on a corpse, not a live person. They die and drop thier cigarettes and shit. That is why they dont run around trying to put themselves out. The flame is low intensity and isolated..very slow burning, that is why there is almost no collateral damage but totally consumes because they are smoldering for so long. They have done many tests that have shown this to be the case. They even had it on an episode of myth busters on it. The other scientific explanation that has some credibility but has NOT been reproduced by us for obvious reasons is the ultra rare phenomena of ball-lightning.



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Its funny, I was just wanting to start a thread about this if there wasn't one. =P nice.

I don't know a great lot about it and it is a rather large mystery. I do know that most of the recorded cases of spontaneous combustion happened in Pennsylvania.

The authors of Weird NJ hare doing books on every state and It was in PA's book. Check them out to get a bit of story.

weirdnj.com



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Chuckles softly? Is it your position that SHC exist? I do believe that spontaneous human combustion under the right circumstances can indeed exist, yes. Why are you all chuckling.. ? I am personally chuckling becauseI taught classes on psionics for years and the possibilities of what I have seen go horribly wrong from experience. SO forgive my amusement at enjoying this topic of discussion. I find that philosophical or even scientific debate is enjoyable indeed for my own mental stimulation. do you find the something funny about people being consumed by avoidable fires? No I dont think burning to death is indeed amusing I think it may be one of the worst ways to go and indeed it is avoidable if the conditions can be stabalized and then maintained. why is it so important that people accept SHC as a possiblity? I believe that closing your mind to all possibilities limits your view of understanding and thus your perception of reality as a whole. "Take away all the lies and what you have left no matter how impossible or improbable is the truth."Could it have something to do with your claim of psychic phenomena? As far as psychic phenomnia and the claim there of, I have been a metaphysical practitioner for many years, I have taught classes on metaphysical application and study with scientific research and solid hard results that have been published in scientific journals for debate and found accepted to have a sound basis in reality.


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I find that at one time science was stumped on this, that fact brought out the PSI Speculations. The intent of most PSi people appears to be to stump science, so now that science has spoken (after research). It changes nothing for those that have invented an explaination that fits their "field". It has been rehashed, and repackaged since.



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It's already been proven that spontaneous human combustion wasn't possible. I can't remember when it was done.. if you give me a bit, I'm sure I could find it for you.



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What is not possible and what is possible through science has been proved reproved changed adjusted adapted and evolved to meet the demands of the public view based on changing times. How many studies in and of themselves have been redone multiple times and have gotten different results for the same thing? I am mearly amused with playing devil's advocate for a time and presenting the possibilities there in presented.



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I actually agree there is amusement in past research even from scientist that wanted science phenomena to explain the events. They came out of the wood work on both sides. Science let go to the emperical data, PSi still clings to the possibilities, ones that support their field.

The list in the Link I put up, about a popular case (one of the earliest) has a list of other previous popular hypotisis. All of which have been Experimented with, by both camps.



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How many things in life can one experience is this a set number or infinite? I like you do not take things on belief or what I am told or on faith in any regard. I have to investigate and research and look into and debate and has out and come up with an answer for myself before I indeed believe it's fact. I am my own worst critic when it comes to life and the illusions of reality and in my search of what lies in the blood of reality beneath the skin of it. What lies beneath the realm of the five senses of tangibility and of rationality and set sequence of belief. To what lies in the very depths reflection from the endless voids we peer into with fascination. the more I learn the more I realize I have just begun to scratch the surface.



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Thats fine, I base my opinions on what I have seen, never on what I have heard or watched, or even read.. Seeing is believing is my greatest motto..



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Showing Me.. Not in an area set by the demonstrator, but for the spectator. I find it hard to believe that there is any proof to SHC, if someone had found some physical cause to it the PSI community would press still for claim validation to their imagined powers/energies.

I find the common practice of occult entuisist is the I stumped you effect.. as information is more ready to counter claims the occult followers will find it harder and harder to do so.

Myth Buster also debunked the lighter in the pocket myth as well. I think it got a plausible, but they had to really construct the set-up for it to happen. I have seen lighters burst in peoples hands though.. under abnormal use though.



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They did an episode about this on "Unsolved Mysteries." Scientist on the show said that they believe that it is a chemical reaction of certain gases mixing inside the body. On the show the woman it happened to did survive. But this was all just theory. They don't know what caused it. They even made a low budget crap film about it in the 80's titled "Spontaneous Combustion."



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If someones chemical makeup got that messed up though, they'd be dead long before the fire would happen. Not only that, but it takes time. They'd notice that something was wrong and probably check into a hospital beforehand. The human body is an amazing thing and if one little thing is wrong, it WILL let you know.



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Well generally there wouldn't be anything left because in most cases the entire body literally burst into flame for no apparent reason.



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I don't rule anything out...though how would you be able to see something like that? As far as I know, no one has...all they get are body parts and burned places...I don't think I'd want to be one to see it and then talk about it in a casual fashion like we have.



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Well, that's not entirely what I meant. Even if it were impossible it is still strange that nothing else was destroyed, you know? That itself is what's rare.



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To avoid people (especially elderly, and disabled) from being a statistic, assure that they are not smoking in bed, that if they have a heating blanket to make sure the heating blanket is stable. These are real potential hazard, if it is some paranormal event you fear, then that excitement should carry over well into caution for actual threats to those you love. Fix all ash trays to a surface. ested Butts are easily forgotten, They just took incinerants out of tailored smokes, why? Because insurance companies and fire inspectors noticed the effect this had on increasing fire hazards. Visit shut ins that you know. Notice the air flow.. how many of these incidents could have been avoided?



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I can see everyone's point. Its still weird...like the person at the toilet? I tend to be open minded. If I wasn't open to possibilities then life would kind of suck.

Not to mention it would go against a great deal of my faith. Being a Libra I take both sides into consideration and form my own opinion on the matter. Which would be that anything is possible.



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Would you question motive of people that would have you convinced this is something that needs to be studied (with tax payers money?)



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you know, they already take so much out of the tax payers for other ridiculous things...I would think this would be less ridiculous than most.



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Using the publics actual fear of such things happening. I feel that is a low trick to found a study on Para Normal claims, especial ones that have been addressed numerous times.



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Another great aspect dabb.. Sometimes it is better to look into a topic though, before one acts like they know the true aspect of the matter at hand.. Just my opinion..



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its all so very odd. with people being mostly water, and things around the victim remaining untorched, how strange for such a thing to exist. doesnt seem right.



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In response to Rastaferal,


Re:

"If that were the case, don't you think that the person would be on the floor, because they simply wouldn't sit or lounge there in the chair as they are on fire?! hahaha......I would think that they would run around trying to put themselves out.

AND, I would also think that if a person were on fire, they would catch other things around them on fire too."


As I said before...the fire was set on a corpse, not a live person. They die and drop thier cigarettes and shit. That is why they dont run around trying to put themselves out. The flame is low intensity and isolated..very slow burning, that is why there is almost no collateral damage but totally consumes because they are smoldering for so long. They have done many tests that have shown this to be the case. They even had it on an episode of myth busters on it. The other scientific explanation that has some credibility but has NOT been reproduced by us for obvious reasons is the ultra rare phenomena of ball-lightning."



If they drop their cigarette on the floor, the whole house would go up in flames. I still say the fire would not be contained in one small area simply because the object burns up. Fire doesn't work that way. It spreads. My whole parents house went up in flames in minutes. Gone. Everything. They had to RUN fast to get out and it was a good size house. The fire didn't just sit there in one place and go out on it's own.

For it to stay in one place or area....That's silly. Ilogical.



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Can gas contained in a small closet (say a man locked in a closet with a desperate case of flatulence) sufficate on his gas? Now if he was to flick the swith, a ignition spark.. would that singe him in any way?

Three girls in Mich. Huffing (dust off) in a Ford Duster with the windows rolled up, after they huffed they light a joint.. bad call ! they welded the fabric they wore to their bodies along with third degree flash burns.. all their hair.. real fire hazard.



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Well for one as the body temperature rises, I would think like anything else, water boils, turns into steam and evaporates. This theory in a roundabout way would apply to blood wouldn't it since plasma is mostly water? Blood is a concentrated living protein source. So if mostly water, then why not go get a glass of water? There are other constituents but no more energy in it than any other bodily fluid would have as far as anyone can prove.

We have energy fields. You can see it in Kirlian photography. The west is sort of backward on some of these things due to the propaganda of science. There is nothing wrong with science but they are a closed community in many ways. We don't advance as fast as we could because of a "good ol' boy system." If the ideas are new and radical they get debunked or put on the back burner until enough people say HEY. We by no means understand all of this and have only theories. Most of these sites are only theories. Perhaps spontaneous human "combustion" is a misnomer for what actually happens.




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Krilian Photographs have actually been denounced by the person that first claimed to do them, his partner still does the trick though. If science found an actual case of human combustion, and then found the conditions that caused it to be bio-chemical in nature, interacting with an accumulation of something material (artificial) then the PSI community would press into their routine claims, that it had to do with some PSI force. Science is held back by a good ole' boy network.. what has science done to you? What has science done for you? What has any PSI ever done? Where is their PSI scientist, how many villages have PSI energy given energy to. Would you go out to a compound that was "Powered by PSI? When PSI science makes a break through let me know.



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most cases are caused by the person falling asleep while smoking or holding some other ignition souce and the reason that the surounding area isnt affected is the fire only uses the body as fuel so it extinguishes by itself when the body is gone and it is a slow burn which is why even the bones are gone



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The phrase"The Wick Effect" was coined to address that, here is a do it your self project.. with a block of government cheese.. (it may work with Velveta cheese as well) take a core tube out of the center, a hollow antenna can be used, for safty remove all ingnitable items from a 10 foot radius.. use a cotten cord, or even candle wick.. you have made a candle, once known as a lard candle. I have used them to grille cheese sandwiches.



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Lard candles? Odd! Hmm, so plant one in my thighs and see if it burns? :P



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I have heard of this before, but not too often, although when it comes up me and my friends always discusss it :P

Yeah I think it has to do with the chemical structure of the body, although I've heard of cases where the victim doesn't burst into flames, they literally just explode!

I think there was one after a concert or something :/



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Eh I really think it has to be some odd combination of chemicals in the body mixing with other elements that cause this



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I do believe that this is more than possible, we are all after all only made up of combustible materials, draped in combustible materials, surrounded by combustible materials.
This is a great site that I found on this subject...

CLICK HERE



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I'm not too sure on this.


However, if it is able to happen, I'm sure it's a chemical reaction kind of like that shown in the movie known as 'Tremors III'.



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This is the only forum subject that truly scares the snot out of me..To just think you could die and burn and you couldnt stop it.. Just poof.. Yeah that is crazy..



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I think that it has to do with a chemical reaction that is taking place inside the body and when they figure out what it is they will be able to stop it.



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This phenomenon still has yet to be proven. Personally I doubt one could just burst into the flames out of the blue. There must be more to it.



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I would imagine that any fever would torch a person.. Their are many actual problems that we have yet to medically prevent.. all the effort that has gone into the pockets of psuedo-science for such fringe things.. where else could that money have gone..?



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Woah that is a long thread and mostly on topic !

To start with the issue that the body is mostly water, water can't burn etc .... wood also has a very high percentage of water in it. The bodies in the photographs look burned to me, bodiues can burn - water or not. Also while water itself does not burn, it can start fires : a small bit of potassium hitting water will cause a violent fire.

Fires don't need a heat source for ignition either, without putting the ingredients on this forum, there are a few combinations of household chemicals that will ignite after a time.

If you take a water logged haybale and surround it with other haybales as insulation. It will start to smoke and at some time, burn. This is spontaneous combustion in its undisputed form, known and identified as being caused by insulated bacteria action.

So spontaneous combustion can and does occur in water-logged vegetable stuff, can it happen in animals?

Let's see: the events are always unwitnessed, surrounding items are usually unburned, there is no sign of panic by the burned person ...

The person did burn - that cannot be argued, the photographs showed - so it is definitely Human Combustion - the nature of the fire is odd in that it doesn't seem to act on most other things, but it was a fire.

All that is left is if it happened spontaneously ... well, the fact that the person was alone suggests that a calm and peaceful atmosphere is need. The person did not panic suggests that other body functions had shut down ... this, to me at least, suggests that something was going very wrong inside the body and that, surely, has got to be the root of the Human Combustion.

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If nothing else is caught on fire around them, then it must be paranormal. The first thing I think of is anger...did this happen while they were angry?
It might be a product of a curse...hate to make the reference, but like the episode "Witch" of Buffy the Vampire Slayer on the first season...*sheepish grin*



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Naa .. No Body Goes Up in Flames.. A Heater Blanket, A cigerrete butt, can all set your smoulder factor into play. A person going to sleep or actually asleep, has a warming before the heat becomes consuming. Wick Effect.



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I saw an old show on it once, and it was a blue flame, does that have any chemical significance?



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It would probably be caused by a chemical reaction in the body and causing it to set fire.



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That's what happens when you don't fart, the methane builds up to dangerous levels.



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So maybe they were too near an open flame? ;P



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Dr. Rule used to talk about that all the time. He was a nut job that had a talk show on Sunday mornings. They had this on CSI so it could be very possible if conditions are right.



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The body does build up gases as it decomposes. It could be that the person drank alcohol before death or took a medication that when mixed with the gases of decomposition caused it to combust?



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I do believe spontaneous combustion is possible although i have not seen it happen and i also believe it has to do with a person's chemical make- up.



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I have to tend to think this happens due to scientific reasons, instead of paranormal reasons, ie cigerette, etc. As for someone having a lot of anger, I have live with rage, not anger mind you, but rage all my life. No problems so far.



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The term boiling mad, comes to mind after reading Tepes Post.. Hot Headed people.. boy the only person I would want such a thing to happen to is hot headed people.. I mean imagine some sod going thermal on some innocent person.. the WHOOSH.. :)



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some furniture is fire retardant so the flames done get higher while the corpse burns! thats why ols photos show burnt furniture but newer ones dont! body parts are left due to there not being any clothing to react with the body fat! i watched a tv show onit not long ago so i can back up what rastaferal said earlier



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A person can be alive and be engulfed in flames as well, experiencing only a gradual warm, an eerie fact that has actually been tested.



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Actual physical combustion - don't think so...

Other types of "combustion"... oh yeah... ;-)



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I think that the wick effect can explain a vast majority of the cases of spontaneous human combustion. But, what about the cases it does not? There have been many intersting thoughts in this thread. Without going into the nitty-gritty, we essentially burn sugar to fuel our bodies. Is it possible for this mechanism to fail? I.e. Is it possible that this reaction could proceed unchecked and it's rate of reaction increase by orders of magnitude? It's very unlikely this can be demonstrated or reproduced, but does the possibility exist?



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I would go with if their was a case that held against an 'outside" ignition source that it would still be a physical, biochemical reaction/anomaly, and have nothing super natural, or occultic about it, yet those that press their beliefs (usually out based on irrational fears) would take the whole findings as "proof" that they were "right" all along.



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oh im so sorry....i must one morbid cookie because the truth is.. if someone just poof into flames in front of me i would piss my pants laughing then i would shit myself and try put them out ...sorry.

So does anyone want to come to a bbq on the weekend??

OK seriously, well if telikenesis is real then so is a human fireball.



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I absolutely agree with you dabbler. There is nothing mysterious or supernatural about anything (including a human) burning. It is just chemistry and physics. I also think you are right about changing anyone's mind about their belief on the matter. A belief needs no evidence, and quite often a belief remains unchanged in the presence of ample evidence.



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It would be pretty scarey to see someone suddenly burst into flames but I think its just a very rare thing.



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so would all living things just go up .... here we have gum trees and they just go up because of the oils and heat? maybe it could happen but i doubt it... i think them pics are good old plain homicide without the chalk lines.



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There was this lady that fostered me when i was a teen.
She used to sleep in the lounge room and one day i asked why?
She said....I woke one night there was this person at the end of my bed then gone just like that next min the door frame burst into flames????
I remember asking why isnt it black and she couldnt answer me, she had no idea....i think she got into the whoopi weed...



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well i do beleive it can happen
ive heard alot of things about it
id have to beleive it has something to
with chemicals in your body



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I have seen shows on it as wel las books and a few web pages. but as for scientifical advice I havce not yet found any. As for mythical tho. Hell yes. there is alot about it. It is pretty interesting acutally.



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I personally do not think it can happen, But if it could dammit I wish my family could do that and be gone for ever.



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I've looked and haven't really found any evidence to support such a claim. We are electrical beings, but not enough to blow ourselves up, unless you like walking in a mine field.



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they say that the human body contains everything for the perfect bomb,i think sometimes the chemisty inside the body overheats or has a bad reaction and thats how SHC happens to some but thats just my thoughts



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I don't know for sure... but it could just be the chemicals in your body. you have so many in your body that if certain ones mixed you could catch fire. That would me that something is wrong internaly though. That the body isn't functioning right.



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i dont know how it happens but its never been court on tape or enything so there is no proof it ever happens.



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That is true there are chemicals in the body that inherently can be combustible in the lab, such as potassium chlorate and water. However, your body would not be able to produce the correct chemicals in the correct environment to start a reaction.



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the following link has some interested information on SHC http://www.crystalinks.com/shc.html hope you find it usefull



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