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This is why Vampire Rave will never be mainstream.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050217/REVIEWS/50202001

The masses will never understand.

I, for one, stopped caring about what roger ebert had to say about films and such long ago. He works for the media and I won't go into what I think about the media. It may be too political. I don't know anyone who likes roger ebert, as a matter of fact nor do I know anyone who believes what he says to be gospel.

Roger Ebert- definition,
no vision
male ,over 55 , democrat , anal retentive
uneducated and uninformed...

I'm thinking maybe what's being refered to is the quote at the beginning .. maybe I'm wrong ...

"Grateful Dead fan John Constantine (Keanu Reeves) raises his hand in hopes of receiving a miracle (a ticket to a Dead show, which he is seen clutching tightly), while ungrateful Deadheads swarm around him in "Constantine." Or something like that, anyway. "

It's not just Roger Ebert. Yahoo and MovieFone are both reporting an average of all critic reviews of Constantine to be C+, while movie-goers are rating the film a B.

But that aside, my point was that certain perceptions, ideals, and philosophies will never, under any circumstances, be mainstream.

I have never got a movie because of this man.. His rating doesn't mean crap to me.. I would go based on people that I know of what they thought about it. Not his.

They call it mainstream because it's shallow. o.o, okay useless comment. But I agree with the rest of you.

"certain perceptions, ideals, and philosophies will never, under any circumstances, be mainstream."

Agreed. And that's true in any age and in any culture or society.

He probally gives money to those evangalists and thinks santa is real, oh, and he has seen Elvis (last night)! ... an interesting point was about the Spear, James Herbert wrote a fiction novel about this.. well worth a read!

Who cares what people like him thinks.I loved the movie.

Hehe.

I thought the whole review was pretty funny, myself.

Never have likes those people that give their professional critique on movies. I always go to movies based on what my friends have said because they are more in tumed with what I like. Not Ebert.

Exactly. that's what I do. Or if I just think I want to see it I'll go. There have been plenty of movies out there where they get terrible reviews but I enjoyed them.

the only thing that would suggest vr being even looked at or heard of by mainstream is the growth rate.....
other than that tho....I never did care what is or is not mainstream

I think it's best to ignore it. Think for ourselves

The Blair Witch, that got slated and i loved it!

i loved it too...But it did kind of make me laugh. I'm glad I didn't see it in the theater people said they got motion sickness hah

Ok, Roger didn't like Constantine. But, you have to admit, the penguin stuff is funny. I didn't realize Mr. Ebert had such a dry wit:

"Eventually he confronts Satan (Peter Stormare), who wears a white suit. (Satan to tailor: "I want a suit just like God's.") "

That's good stuff! I want to see this movie just so I can laugh when I see Satan in a white suit.

Lol, i have to agree with Jason there. He does have few good moments. But i would also have to agree with the others too. No one likes him, and for a good reason.

I have a problem with Ebert's belittling attitude. The entire theme of his review is that it is absurd that God or the Devil might exist. Never mind angles, demons, or seers. It's this type of attitude within mainstream society that I am pointing to. A type of closed-mindedness.

thats the point they r afirad of what they do not know... so they have to stick with the shallowness (hehe is that even a word?) of expectations. They refuse to change thier opinions because they dont want to admit they are wrong, and they seem to "condemn" everything that is different. I dont mean that just in movies, i mean differences in people, in lifestyles, and just in general. It's so pathetic that they seem to think thier way is the only way.....

I for one agree with Stragella's post and well there is one thing that made me wonder.........

*Scratches head*

Roger eberts still alive?

*Goes off to ponder this*

I haven't seen this film yet, or seen this bloke before, but he sound like a bit of a... well anyway, Ive heard good things about Constantine, but some thigns will not be understood by those who require being intellectually spoon-fed in order to prevent their whinging.

Roger Ebert is the most well-known American film critic.

He came to fame in the late 70s/early 80s when he and another did a show on PBS called 'At the movies with Siskel and Ebert'. Each week they'd review 3 or so movies, show clips, and give their reviews.

The show was really popular. There wasn't anything like it on the air at the time. You got to see more clips from an upcoming film than the trailer contained.

Gene Siskle died in the mid 90s from brain cancer, but by that point, both had stopped doing their show on PBS.

Does anyone listen to roger ebert anymore? I don't! I make up my own mind critics make no difference in the world they're jumped up self important busy bodies in my opinion as a critic critic lol

Check out what Foamy has to say on this issue.. Foamy's Rant IV (4)

http://www.illwillpress.com/vault.html

who is that dude in the USA that give the thumbs up/dowm to movie reviews.. this will has you in tears!!

I have yet to see constantine....
but I read the comics and the character is phenominal......the only potential problem I see is that they used pinochio for the lead
if ever there was a more wooden actor than keanu I haven't seen him

squirrely wrath, squirrely wrath!!!!!!!!!!!




ok, Constantine is the best thing ever, i loved that movie, and eggbert or sherbert dude there i dunno his name...can stick his reviews up the wazo0!


cant believe he gets paid to thrash good movies...and people actually READ the garbage he has to say...

i dont listen to critics, they dont know know what they say, and how are they to know which reporter knows about the movie, they dont know what type of movies they like. they need regular ppl to tell them how it was

My experience has always been that anything that gentleman puts down tends to make me want to see it twice as much. Personally, I liked Constantine. Curious, is it not, that he always gives the thumbs down to movies of this mainstream?
And Dhampir~! Another Foamy connoisseur! Excellent!

The day Ebert starts wearing my type of clothes (I doubt it, his jeans are wider than they are long), and starts talking about things I wanna hear... THEN I will think about giving the time to listen to what he has to say. Till then, I laugh at him and the sad fact that he gets paid to do such a thing.

I have never paid attention to the critics-they hate what i like,and like what i cannot stand!! I am my own best critic. Even if others I know have seen it and told me about it, If its one I want to see, I go anyway. Sometimes I like it regardless. There are alot of things the mainstream will never get-like most of us here.

What I don't understand is back in the day when Siskel and Ebert were around. People that I talked to couldn't stand to watch the show because they were so critical and rated good movies very low.
I always heard people say how wrong they were or they don't know what they are talking about when rating that movie.

People like that are drawn to what thier taste and interest are in movies. They rate the ones that they would enjoy because of what they rate high. ( which mind you some of the ones they rate high are just assinie) The ones they don't like they rate low. Which from talking to people/friends about the movie the ones they rate low are the ones some of the public enjoys more.

How can people really watch Ebert and actually go by the ratings and go see or not go see what they tell them is good or bad? Isn't that like someone making a choice for you? I never enjoyed this show anyway. It extremely bothered me.

i don't follow the advice of Ebert, or any other critic, for that matter, either. they may not be watching for the same reasons i am, and i find quirky details, interesting and fun.

much of the mainstream, fear "it", being the unknown, and wish it away, hoping "it" won't exist to frighten them anymore. they will mock what they don't understand, trivializing, or whatever they need to do, to sleep sounder at night.

they better check under that bed though...
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It's ludicrous to follow the synopsis of a very biased individual. Why would anyone determine whether they want to watch or movie or not based on the critique of a pretentious, close minded critic? I think everyone should just watch the movie and then determine whether they enjoyed it or not based on their thoughts ( not any one elses). I believe movie critics serve no purpose. Their views deter others from making their own judgments.

The media is evil.

Well, most of you have turned this into a bash-Ebert session. That was not my intention.

I wanted to provided a sociological example. The example was Ebert, a well-educated society-type person, and how far he was from the position and views of many of the members of Vampire Rave. This was a singular example, but I think a good one. As his attitudes and opinions tend to permeate mainstream society and culture.

they rate it badly because they have no vision for what is realy going on in the world they think its just some fictional movie but they need to realise that there is some fact behind all fiction

*(*&%)&^%(&)&^%)&* ok ok I'm calm ahem every1 is entitled to their opinion but all am gonna say is Blade Spiderman and X-men were laughed at since conception now who's laughin?/ (strangely enough high hopes were had 4 the Hulk :s loook what happened there)

Whilst this thread has something to do with film critics.. I can highly recomend a great one!! thats right, Great.... Barry Norman.. check him up.. very good film critt

Dont know this guy but he sounds like an ass.

some things are better left away from mainstream, for your right some wouldn't understand

I remember watching At the Movies when I was a kid, on PBS. My friends and I always used it as a yardstick on what was good or not. Basically, if they both gave the movie two thumbs down, we went to see it. It was pretty accurate.

I do remember them both giving Return of the Jedi a thumbs down. I have never forgiven them.

Ewoks ruined Jedi. They weren't wrong.

Cancer,
I am sorry for starting an all out bash session on Mr. Ebert. I agree with your comments about him and he is well respected in the mainstream. I can't say that I don't respect him. I just don't always agree with his opinions. He is being paid for him opinion. I was only trying to imply that you must look at the source in order to set your own expectations. He is the typical critic of mainstream society, and he is intelligent, but just because someone is smart doesn't mean they have an open mind. If he were to go off his beaten path, his loyal followers might think he was either being paid more money to go that way or that he was off his rocker. It is hard to teach an old dog a new trick. He also cares about his reputation.

mainstream is like hollywood = Blah! Blah! Blah!

I love Constantine. I love movies like this in general. There's nothing more interesting than opening your mind to the idea that there is far more to this world than you- and what your eyes can see. That's not always a popular thought, but it's not about popularity. The writers here took a popular belief-system and spun their own tale. I appreciate a creative mind, and where that creativity can take other people's minds as well. Then again- some people just don't want to go 'there'. What's depth, if you can't dig into the very heart of spirituality and figure things out... or use what you know to pose the what ifs?

The movie is great, and even... whadyaknow- entertaining.

To me the movie Constantine is one of my favorite movies I just watched it this morning, it make you actually wonder what is really going on under our very eyes, that we cannot see or even hear, much less understand it is one of the greatest movies in my opinion, I mean keenu Reeves does it so well.

It is one of my favourites too.

It can be criticised as many times as a film critic can because if I want to watch a movie, I do so no matter what others say.

I don't tend to pay much attention to anyone reagarding films to be honest, not even my partner.
I come to my own conclusions.

I did happen to enjoy the film Constantine.

I believe however it is a niche market, one of many.

Cancer mentions that his intention was not for this to become a Robert Ebert bashing thread, however I think the man in particular can not be overlooked.

I have never heard of this man before, but a brief look at his picture, taking note of the style in which he writes, the aspects and attitude he places on the film, and not to mention the fact that he has a book titled "Your movie sucks."
Would all suggest to me the intention of his reviews, and his possible reader base.

I appreciated the film conceptually rather than tenuous commentary of reality and the unknown.

"He has lung cancer. The angel Gabriel (Tilda Swinton) tells him, "You are going to die young because you've smoked 30 cigarettes a day since you were 13." Gabriel has made more interesting announcements."

I beg to differ on this opinion, I think this is a very profound statement about victim mentality.

Constantine is a great movie. I own the DVD. I loathe the fact critics so often look down on movies about less traditonal subject matter.
As this thread is some five years old, I wonder if the attitude has changed. I don't look at film reviews. I wonder what critics say about newer movies such as New Moon or similar movies of less mainstream content.

AA what you say is true I also feel the statement was very enlightening as to the point of the movie. I mean just imagine, this actually a reality as to the whole concept of the movie. I loved it.. yet, others may not.

hahaha yea, whenever something goes mainstream, it loses what it is.... and dang i remember seeing this post sooo so long ago

I own constantine and enjoyed it as a movie. As for critics such as this guy well they do get paid to either support a movie or put it down. These days they put down the great movies, but support the ridiculous!

And yes as for the mainstream, well its closed minded and will never accept anything different or new, just like a flock of sheep.

I am glad VR isn't part of the mainstream, we are definitely more opened minded here and definitely no flock of sheep... maybe a pack of wolves *evil grin*

Movies based on Comic Books have a hit or miss factor. Watchmen made it big, simply on the fan base, Constintine went to screen earlier then Watchmen thou.

If I am not mistaken, at the time of the release of Consintine, Hell Boy was still in theaters, somehow that
jaded critics. yet Ebert is a Gas Bag so I toss his critique into its proper container.

Cancer, I can totally relate...

I'm in my 40's so keep that in mind. I have a t-shirt that has an image printed on the front that is a take on Dracula's attire in the original film. I wore this t-shirt over to my parents house this past weekend and caught nine kinds of hell from my mom. My mom has also seen me log into VR at their house and her usual reaction is to shake her head in dismay and tell me how unchristian it is. The majority of my family also doesn't approve of my black full length duster that I wear or the fact that I rarely wear anything that isn't black.

A good movie flick with a bad review,
that never happens.....(barely contains my depth of sarcasm for this)

trust what you like, not what others think you should like.

as for the mainsteam, i think they have too much salmon poo, not enough salmon eggs. where is a bear when you need on.?

That seems like a sensible policy to me, however it does impact upon business opportunities and revenue.

It strikes me this is a balancing act, we really don,t want all the twilight fans trying to logon...god forbid, or satan.
Grinz.

I believe I am to late to really say anything that people will see.

But he is just a person with a opinion like all you who have posted opinions about him.

I believe the reason people don't understand what you people do here is because you let one persons opinion affect your decision on what you want to do.

He is but one man and you are many and with all due respect CANCER you have a created a site where many have created bonds that go beyond anything ever thought possible.

Thru your sleepness nights people have found ones they love and created bonds of friendship that can't be broken ever.

I for one will support anything you decide because you created this site so obvious point you can destroy it at will.

But don't let one mans stupidity stop you from doing what you feel would be good for the site.
It is not something you can change ones stupidy.

I hope you dont think of me as lecturing you on things you are older then me by far and have more life experience I just wanted to throw somethings in there.

Honestly I have found that it is best not to listen to reviews at all because just cause they didn't like it, doesn't mean that my taste in movies is going to cause me NOT to like it. Heck I rarely listen to friends or families about movies just in case I do like it even though they didn't.

I bascially look at movies and give them the benefit of the doubt if they at least look interesting to me. I let the movie itself decide if I like it or not.

As for Costantine, I rather liked the movie. I didn't read any reviews about it or anything like that. I saw it at the movie store and rented it cause it seemed interesting. And I was right, it was interesting.

There have been alot of movies and such that gotten bad reviews that I really liked.I dont pay any attention to guys like that to be honest.Everyone is so different in their tastes,I think it is rediculous to even publicly critique movies ,books or any other entertainment art.
It is only one opinion,and in my book,his doesnt count.
The subjects covered and enjoyed here arent mainstream,but as of late,with all the Vampire and paranormal hype,it is almost as though mainstream is attempting to make these subjects just that.

most of these posts just goes to show you the old idiom that

you should make up your own mind on things rather then take others word for it

, which applies to movies, life, this site, just about everything.

Cancer...

that was the worst movie ever.... it sucked ass HAHAHA


I think you forgot about movies such as

"Fallen"
"Lord Of Illusions"
"In The Mouth Of Madness"
"Fire Starter"

these movies do hold some real truth,
though less popular and not as known....

"Stigmata" made it to the mainstream though,
and in the end it showed the possessed girl was good,
and those that go to church are evil.

Critics are arseholes...

Opinions...

Everyone has got one but they choose to speak through theirs.

2012 got great reviews, I saw it...glasses on.LOL.

Best Comedy I,ve seen in years.

I think society in general will form it's own opinion and be it's own critic. As for the mainstream it will always dillute our culture and the perception of it. I don't ever listen to mainstream and critics, I see a movie because I wanna see it. I also have written my own movie reviews as well, for me. I don't expect my reviews to coerce someone to feel the same way about a film as I do. People will continue to misunderstand the vampire culture in general and it will just always be that way. Unless someone lives and breathes the culture first hand, they can't ever grasp it from the outside looking in.

As I see that a majority of the posters of this thread have missed Cancers point entirely, I do agree with him that many of us don't realize that the VR may never go mainstream because part(s) of society always go for what the "critics" and media stone throwers such as newspapers and articles have to say, rather then researching things for themselves or understanding things for themselves in order to gain a perspective as to why things are the way they are.

Believe not the hype, but rather experience the truth of it all.

Thank you for posting this Cancer.

cancer should have been more specific then SS.

Again, Cancer's point was not about crediting a movie from a critics point of view, basing it off of how good or bad it was...

His point was to focus on why Keanu (Constanine) saw the things he did and the understanding that if the world saw things through Keanu's (Constantine's) eyes, then they would, mayhaps, see something entirely differant and be less judgemental. But until that time, things will be judged and ridiculed accordingly as well as not believed.

Which is why he (Cancer) may never go "mainstream."

who cares this is a old forum anyways dating back from Feb 27 2005
other than that i have no comment other than saying mainstream is not always where the action is.

Though it is an old forum thread ~Mastermindedfate~, the topic is still obviously relevant since it has not gone into RIP status.

Try to keep on topic instead of complaining about what ever.

I've been thinking on this since my earlier post. I believe Vampire Rave is headed toward mainstream.
Total Members: 16,200 no where close to Facebook or Myspace, but definitely more popular then four or five years ago. When I first joined there was less then 500 here.

On reflection I agree with Cancer...

There are too many Bias Critcs and close minded religious folk out there who ignore facts and prefer beliefs.

The Book The God dillusion is a great example of this mind set.

Regardless of whether the evidence supports the argument.

You will never change their subjective beliefs.

Mainstream does not nessessarily mean more members. There is also up and front advertising such as what other .com sites do through media exposure and banners on corporate sites.

And to all.. I believe this has been hashed out quite long enough. It was brought up from 2005. It's time to close it.