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After consideration about what the predator is, and my desire to share it with those around me on the rave. So to further educate the masses and gain more feed back, I've decided to post a small peice that I originally posted on Darkness Embraced.
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March 19, 2005

Through out stories, movies, games and the like all vampires have been seen as these predators of great hunger and thirst. Which, they try to suppress or not, but they do their best to try and control this bit of animalism within them.

Well this Animalism seems to be present in all of us, from human to Vampire a like, yet unlike humans, we Vampires or Conditioned, have a very and unwanted connection to this side of us. Why? Well there can be many speculations about this, one idea I have read was that it was due to this little part of our brain known as the "Dragon" which controls all basic functions of the body and even controls our desire to feed and forces us to do things, not normally us, for the sake of hunger.

Now this Dragon, or Predator as I call it, is by far, that driving desire to live, to survive through any means possible. Yet, being that of a Condition where we are constantly looking at a type of starvation that is very hard to stop, it tends to be more... powerful or willful, in it's desire to keep us alive.

So with that Said, this Predator will scream in the back of our minds, claw at our brain, trying to gain control through many means. Now most the time this type of behavior of the Predator is ravenous, it doesn't care how it takes control and how it gets its meal, it just wants to feed. Yet, being as it is apart of us, it can, and will and probably already has, used very subtle means to gain control and some how guide the mind and body to it's desired target and then slowly take the energy it needs from that target.

Which, in some cases, well more like in my case, in the past, I have slept with a woman who was not my girl friend, so to get the sexual energy from her and use it to my own ends. Which, before hand, I thought I was in the right mind, it wasn't until it was all said done with, that is when I noticed most of everything up to that point was just a haze.

I feel a bit... wrong about what happened, I felt if I could give the energy back, I would, but I know I couldn't, not without having another incident, and this is just a small part of it all.

Now, like I said before we know the Predator is there, it will do what it can to get it's meal and if it has to turn to subtle manipulation of the mind to do so, it will not hesitate at all.

Now let me get to the part that will matter the most. Like I said, it will do what it can and in a ravenous fashion, to get its food. This will, in the end, if you let it, lead to a very violent out come. I don't think I need to say much on this, but I will give a small bit of detail on it.

Depending on which aspect you are drawn towards, Sanguine, Psi, Emotion or Warrior, Priest, Councilor, will depend on your means of feeding, your primary habits of energy ingestion. If you’re Sanguine, your desire to draw blood, to lick the wounds of opponents to cause pain, suffering, through any means to get your crimson fix will be a piece of the hurtful cycle of the Predators will.

Psi, giving people headaches, mental collapse temporarily, lose of senses, lose of balance, physical weakness, will be the things these people will feel when being attacked by the predator. Since most Psi, well to my knowledge as a Sanguine, feed enmass, then in mass crowds of humans will begin to gain these symptoms, most won't know what hit them, they will go home and take something for the problem, thinking it was just some sort of spell that just comes and goes, which the mind will rationalize in some means.

Next is the Emotion feeds, these one will be the creatures that find means to hurt it's target, not for blood, well not mainly anyways, but to gain the fear, the hate, the depression, anything dwelling on the darker part of emotions for the high that these feelings give you, even sex can become very dark if during sex things become to real for the person who is being assaulted.

These are just my ideas, which I started off my own mind, and then through some reading, gained more insight into what I believe, I would greatly enjoy if others posted their ideas of the Predator and see what feed back we can get from all of this.

- Sin

Agree.There are some who say that we have animal instincts.The primary one is survival.

Infact the thing that we think about most is surving.

No matter what you are you're a predator.And vampires are more seen as predators cause of their way of feeding.

Well every creature on this world has the instict to live. Yet, do to our connection with the Dragon, we seem to have a higher means of falling into it or to it, then that of non afflicted people or normal people.

- Sin

Hmmmm, that might even explain the need for non-sanguin vamps to nip and bite during intimate moments...

hmm... survival of the fittest. the only one true concept in creation as far as i can tell...

i am glad to see that you have finally started the thread.
i am sanguine by nature but am forced on energy and psi means. recently i myself found out why blood is a good thing instead of bad.
i know the predator in me contradicts with my heart in means of not causing unnecessary harm, yet i have to.
i thank you for finally bringing the issue to VR. it helps me and may others be helped as well.

No problem. Its what I'm here for within the Rave, to expand and educate the masses.

- Sin
Guardian of Secrets
Scholar of the Condition
Member of House Aeterno

surely we have animal instincts, we just dont use them much anymore and rely too much on our intelligence

I don't know where you read this but it sounds like new age mumbo jumbo. All species of life have a survival trait. I consider vampires and humans the same species and both are lacking when it comes to many animals. Most people do not have the desire or ability to kill to survive like most animals must.

Well done Brother Sin very well done.
I agree on the part of the Dragon doing what it must to get it's needs filled. No matter how hard we try the hunger always wins. I thank you for posting such a thread.

in terms of sheer will to survive it does not matter


the cosmos has a very unqiue way of making un needed species or unnecessary sub species (vampires) extint


humans: a sentient virus..(yes i know i sound like agent smith but it was an interesitng point) we ate from the tree of knowledge and as a result we where cursed with almost god like potential of mind in our quest to be well simply put we expand beyond our initual habitats and lay utter waste to the resources and the enviorment and when we do that..we invent things like rligion and rules to keep the pupulation in check and when that no longer works

we go to war..we destroy to keep ourself in check then move on into another region exuast everything and move on destroying ourself all the while...how ever

when face with death..we have an uncanny nack to adapt to prolong the invedable and find ways to survive and spread out and repeat our hole vicious cycle again.

enter the vampire: a creature both animal and man...a virus that destgroys another virus...vampires keep the himan cancer in check and in return the polute the earth with their some what twisted existense.

two branches of the same species..two very different reason..both dead locked in an etenrally twisted balance

the will to live to feed to survive is what keeps us here...if not we would ahve vansiehd into the history books as soon as homo sapiens first landed on the seen...

the will to live drives us to suck the life out of our world and eventually will cause us to suck the life out of other worlds

the more humans their are the more vampires i would thinl..both parasites

the only difference is: vamps are the parasites that keep the most harmfull ones in some what of a check

one day huaity will destroy itself..then what if vamps really do exist..they will just replace us as the cheif cancer and then the cosmos will do with it what it did to the T-rex

sorry for the post..it was just a thought

Survival is in us all, instinct, whether Vampire or Human, this thread is definately a good one. You also clarified a few things for me.

The Predetor in us needs to be unleashed. Why? Because we have grown too gentle to be the dominant species.

Great thread. Alot of hard work and thought always goes into you reads. They are very insightful.

Good information. I believe that it is good to let it out for a short period of time every now and then. Otherwise It will gain in energy and rip out of it's confinement, causing a tremendous amount of devastation to yourself and others. I never knew that I was a Sanguine. Thanks for the information.

SUch a post is nessiary for us all to grow I myself feed a lot of diffrent ways and I have to allow the Dragon loose sometimes when I've been working too hard to keep control

ANy given animal, predector and otherwise will try to survive as long as possible. May even try running away from a threat with broken leg/s.

Practice: Have a friend sit in the room, feeling sorry for him/herself, beating up their insides/mentally. Scared of a fight.

You stand nearby. Changes are you'd feel predectory towards that person now. It may be an aura thing, or a combination of things.

Yes the Dragon is within all of us. Yet, it always is closer to the surface with certian people. Yet, As I've spoken with others of the Condition, it doesn't always tend to be close to the surface with them, yet it will surface when needed and take what it wants with force.

The Dragon is an aspect we do need to learn how to live with. Just like any driving desire, some times it can over whelm us and scare us. With that looking through certian techniques and learning how to focus its desire into something helpful, can help give it air and help keep the likely hood of its appearence down.

Yet with that note, this is only my speculation.

- Sin

Also I have placed my post within my journal if anyone wishes to go back to it again and read, instead of hunting for it through the forums.

- Sin

the way i see it.... the subconcious has a vast store of untapped power, that is eleased by feeding off other... you this the "predator"..... it seems like a suitable name.... for a starving beast

thats pretty much what it is. Since we are always constantly starving, its starving as well.

- Sin

i dont know what to say. i think you covered it very good.

Thank you, if it wasn't from feed back of friends and those of the vampyre community I would have never gotten something this full of information.

- Sin

I agree about the Predator theory.
Ive always Thought its better to be the Predator than the prey.
Also on that note some time ago A man told me I was a predator and that I prey on the weak as If he was giving me an insult. " He was really complimenting me . And he didnt even know it ".

Interesting

We all have some predatory instincts about us. These instincts evolved from the time we started walking on two feet and using tree branches as tools and weapons.

The overwhelming majority of people have far suppressed these urges. The individuals who haven't are those we call sexual predators, child molesters and those who engage in other deviant behavior. Those individuals should always be removed from society

Aye the ones who are harmul to children should be removed yes. There's times when I want to feed but I can't relax enough to do so

well we all have diffrent sides right (personalty wise) ?

I'm not so sure that surpassing the Dragon is actually a good thing. Yes there are those who become predators and ravage children and women. Yes, these are horrid people and seen as beasts themself. Yet, by us neglecting the beast, all we are doing is neglecting what we were in the first place, an Animal. If we can come to understand and become apart of the Dragon, the more control we will have over urges, such as rage, lust, and the like.

Even though these are urges, these urges are primal and do fall into the real of the Dragons control. Yes, discipline and willpower is needed, yet, when one can fully graps the concept of the Dragon, then one will no longer have to worry about those fits of rage or those wild urges of passion that get us into trouble.

As much as it sounds boring, this is what Christiananity almost reflects on and not just the main stream religions, but alot of religions reflect on this aspect.

- Sin
Guardian of Secrets
Scholar of the Condition
Member of House Aeterno

Ah the animal within us all. To hunger, to hunt to chase and to feed. Vampires are known through common thought to be mostly beastial in nature and to feed by any means necesary. Images of a strong(dominant) man/ woman feasting on a helpless (servant) mortal. Hmmm, think I will order Chinese tonight... (Hope this helps)

The whole, Predator feeding and dominence over the weaker person, is attractive, yet that whole image can quickly change to something a lot horrid and gruesome.

- Sin

similar to that most rapists rape ppl not for the sex but for the power

exactly. The feel of fear and sorrow as one takes something that isn't there. To feel that hate and anger from them asthey can't do anything against you gives a surge that cannot be be topped by anything else.

These are powerful emotions and give to the person who receive these emotions a energetic high that nothing else can top. Something that the Predator can feed on for some time.

- Sin

wow.... interesting threat. well...animal instincts are natural....i dont think they have a link to predators...

Yes its natural in all of us, yet what I was saying is that us as Vampyres have a bit more of a connection with it then most normal people.

- Sin

I don't really know much about the vampire instinct to live or be a predator, but I know when someone is trying to kill you adn it's eithier you or him, something inside you changes, a strength and will to live becomes greater than you have ever felt, and when you have bullets and going by and road bombs exploding in front of you everything else in your life seems so petty except what you have to do at that moment to survive.

it seems to be a lot of ppl hung up on rapists and murderers and such. the difference between us and them is that we dont necessarily need to hunt. if its offered we are as good as if we did hunt for our prey. but rapists and others as such must hunt, its proven that they are less likely to attack or accept if its freely offered.

Really good piece... The survival instinct is the major instinct in all...

Intresting breakdown on different kinds of predation, well thought out.

Mankind does kill, or hunt for pleasure, we are not unique in this fact, a few other mammals do as well, it is not only for survival.

Interesting.

Very good read. I like the aspect of the dragon getting what it needs to survie, but one question. Can you or have you ever really felt the beast that dwells withen. Some people tell me that they have, others say they haven't. What are your thoughts on the beast trying to draw outwards?

everybody has a dark side it just takes a while to show it ever some ppl never so their dark side others find it early

*pouts* dont know how come we didnt get you in our house...always love the info you provide..
and on the info..*sighs* it is true that we all have an animal core, that some people need it to be triggered before it shows itself..other try to control it from coming out on its own!!*cough*

another great piece of work

scionofrequiem

Yes I have felt the Dragon, on many occassions, and many of those I had to calm the creature within from wanting to do things that could have thrown me in jail or put me in some serious trouble.

Yet there are times I Have given in, most of them not knowingly, where a couple of times, I gave in for help.

No one is without knowledge of the Dragon, or the familiarity of it being about and controling them at times. The Dragon is everything that is primal within us, its the desire to hurt, to kill, to hunt, to feed, to survive.

That right there should give a good idea if people have felt this before, for I know everyone has.

If anyone ever once said they have never felt the Dragons presence in the back of their mind wanting to well up and take control, then those people are liers, not to us, but to themselves.

- Sin

p.s.

Thanks DKillR I try to bring something to the table for good conversation.

Wouldn't Emotion Feeds and Psi feeds be classified together?

Nope, Emotion is Pranic energy, something that has to be emittied for them to draw the energy into them.

Psy have to pull the energy from the body of another, almost like Sanguine, yet they don't have to cut, they steal it through touch, or a mental image of a tenticle touching and draining the energy from a target.

- Sin

We all have within us a certain quality. For some it is equated to a survival instinct, or a protection instinct much as a mother bear for her cub. Predator insticts, those are not.

A true predator is one who must destroy to live. Who is driven to take from other than themselves, to sate a hunger. I believe these instincts can be roused, and some have a predisposition towards them.

I can relate to this more then I want to. This animal instinct that people try to hide is in all of us.
I am going to give some very personal information about myself and after this thread I have no desire to speak of it but I think knowing what this "predator" capable of will give you a valid reason to hide and control it.
While in the military I belong to a spec ops unit (we did things that are required to win a war but no one talked about). On one drug run as they are called My unit and I were drop into a hot zone. In this we were all seperated.
What we had found was much more then drug running but in fact a private war in the area. I spent 4 weeks in a jungle in which I allowed the animal take over. I did everything to survive includeing killing one of my very good friend that was looking for me in the extraction unit.
The military told me that I didn't do anything wrong but I never recovered and now I am not in the military I have to live with what I have done and worse of all I can't even look my family in the eye.
The "predator" in all of us is needed but you need to control it and not let it control you because you have to live with what you have done.

it is horrid that we as people have to give into the beast. Yes, I speak of control, yet in a situation like that, some times you have no choice but to let the Dragon take over to help with survival. Yet, its only when we finally awaken out of the Dragon that we come to realize that we did something not alike to ourselves and will regret such an act.

I personally cannot say I've been in that type of a situation being in the military. Yet, I cannot say I won't either, specially since my duties can lead me to such areas.

- Sin

Your right some times it is necessary to give in but each time you do it's harder and harder to awaken from it as you put it.

thats why you need to find an anchor. A means to break yourself free, a mental trigger of some sort to turn on the lights when you need to be released from the Dragons coils.

- Sin

there is no avoinding giving into these instincts , its survival, managing them may be difficult but i wise vampire can do it.

Its not hard, its just called discipline and a strong will.

- Sin

my oppinion is since people associate vampyres as being unpure souls who have to feed on the week and frey

however furthering this theres honestly that piece of our life we want to be innocent and pure and with our habits for what ever they maybe we have a sort of predatory sense for those who arent like us more so those who seem whole and unbroken a sense and duty to break them or at least take that purity away from them so they are more like us

I believe that we are indeed pure... not predators... we are still human mind you

There will always be a predator within all of us

I think that we are many different things at any one given moment. Predators, lovers, parents, what have you. And consequently, as such, we have amny different needs. That's just a basic fact of the human condition. The rest is 'defined' by which of these sides / needs surface above to dominate the rest. Many here call that side / need vampirism, and that's ok. That shadow, predatory side exists in ALL of us. Just as we also have a good / giving side as well.

But I do agree with danzig1330 in that we are capable of controlling all of them if we apply ourselves. Intelligence is the tool to do it with so as to lead a balanced life.

i agree wit u i think vampire r more in touch wit that side becuz they have this hurgey they cant fill

god I hate it when people assume that vampires are some creature thats misunderstood.. or some crap like vicious creatures.. its so much more then that. bah

Everyone has predator within them. You just have to know how to handle it, Vampyre or human.

good read Interesting

Intresting thread and great information. I believe that one can slide from the position of a preditor to prey in a given situation. I agree with the concept of our beast within however when confronted with another beast with better control or more aggressive temperment, we can lose what control we believe to have.
I very much agree that if we do not know our own nature and learn to master ourselves, we can easily slide out of control and into danger.
Thanks all for the great discussion and food for thought.
~Lady~

The predator and prey is what makes this world go round. No matter there is someone or something we hunt and make the target of our ire or hunger.

Also yes there is more to us then just the "Need to Feed so there for I am" yet this thread was made to address the darker side of all of us and specificlly that of those of the condition.

I'm actually very happy about the response I have gotten from everyone about this thread.

- Sin

yes.. as many ppl sayed... survival is the first instinct... therefore we are all predators.. :)