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im a skeptic when it comes to ghosts and stuff like this BUT thats because iv never had a personal experience. i think if there are ghosts they dont show themselfs unless they want to and wouldnt be stupid enough to be caulght on film

.. athousand years ago, when I was not even a thought, my Father was a member of a photography group. They toured castles and Old Halls.. and in one of his photo's, something is seen. Now he did his own darkroom work, as an enthusiast does.. and faking photo's wasn't his thing. So, for him, the question had been simple, "What was it? A ghost?"

For the sake of being moderately obtuse, whilst sticking to the subject at hand.. what about the Turin Shroud??

New teaching suggests that dear 'ole Leonardo created a ghost of himself, on that sheet.

I like that Angelus.



The bar for Spirit photos was raised by these photographers.

I will dig a few articles.

I will say that any potential ghost photo should be presented with an unbiased
presentation, to maintain integrity, and to eliminate coaching avoid circling the intended viewing window.

If the image is Omnisent enough, it should be observed and commented with no
directive prep.

Oh, I remember that one Dabbler! I know where it is...........but forgot the name of the place.........supposed to be the brown lady?

I believe that spirits can be capture on film. I have a few pics if i can find them

The above photos seem as though they could be blatant forgeries, but the "Brown Lady" photo seems genuine enough. One can never tell.


The photo I present here is from a New Orleans location named the Lalaurie Mansion. Supposedly the most haunted house in the city of New Orleans. This photo has no reason why it should be claimed as doctored in any way, shape or form. It was taken by me. The yellow orb in the center would be the spirit of a little slave girl that died while being chased by Madame Lalaurie herself. As she was running to escape, she was rumoured to have slipped between the guard rail and fell to her death by breaking her neck on the ground below.

This is a really controversial topic. I really don't know what is appearing on the photos but it is the type of topic that creates camps and I don't mean in here exactly. I don't think anyone will come to a definitive conclusion. We have gotten an orb on film and so has my son at a particular cemetery, gotten a few but many don't believe orbs are spirits but just balls of energy. You can clean the camera lens and it can be a day that is not windy and still people will say dust or come up with something else to discredit people being seen in the background or orbs. I really have no comment on it other than I think it's an interesting subject and I never listen to the so-called experts, I make up my own mind.

Even when the balls of energy are the remains of the spirits themselves, which would be in conjuncture with orbs, since they are virtually the same thing.

Balls of energy.. Remains of spiritual residue
Orbs.. Remains of spiritual energy...

Same thing in a nutshell.

I got this in one of the most haunted ex pubs in the country....The origins of the building date back to the 11th century The Ancient Ram Inn



The photo was taken on an Olympus C-310 on rapid shot...the other pictures were normal, well apart from the dust/orbs lol

I have orb photos as well although I tend to think of them as dust!

The only reason why I dont discount the orb being dust in the Lalaurie pic is because the colour of the orb is yellow, dust has no distinctive color quality.

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Oh, and the fact that I have never known dust to have distinctive spirals within its circular pattern. Which can be plainly seen within the yellowed orb itself.

Yeah I had a great shot of a church, my friend shone his torch with a filter onto the church and it looked like a red orb, it was bloody great....

I'm a little undecided about orbs, easy to fake...try it!

I'm also not suggesting that they are fake. I have seen that orb shot of the spirit girl before and I am unable to place where I have seen it!

Ok top right hand of picture by the lamp is an orb/dust...this was blue on the photo...look at the mantle by the fire, you will see a red orb....



Look again at the mantle and you now will notice that the red orb, is nothing more than a reflextion of the lamp.... ; )

HA HA HA...Lol sorry wrong one...this is the picture.



Ok, the other picture shows John calling to the *coughs* spirits.....as I took the picture I saw two orbs and was able to capture them on film. As you look at the picture they are on the left.

Shall I mention about sparkles lol!

I think that the first might be a fake because the ghost looks a lil to solid to be a ghost. As for the second one I could belive that one.

Anything can be faked and most of the "orbs" are dust or glares on the lens nothing more.

vvSoulshroudevv

Your post on this thread of the photo you took blew my mind. Why? Because when I was in New Orleans, I took a photo of the exact same place, and look:



This is an unedited, taken straight from the camera to photobucket photograph. I have photos of this same place taken immediantly before and after this particular photo and there are NO orbs on either. Just this particular one. . . Also, my lens was clean, no condensation, nothing.. clean, pure glass, yet these showed up irregardless.

I don't see anything in the last pic.

Pardon me, but how can a ghost be stupid enough to be on film?

It's not like they can say, "I'm a ghost, let's get caught on film."

~laughs~

Most spirits DON'T know that they are dead.

It depends on how much energy they have around, or if someone they become fond of or hate is around, and etc.

For their images and voices to be caught.

Places that have qaurtz in their foundation, are more likely to be haunted.

Also, qaurtz acts as a recording camera itself, it records energy, and plays it back after a few years. Sometimes it's not an apparition at all, but a play back.

Bloodmother:

You said, "I don't see anything in the last pic.

Pardon me, but how can a ghost be stupid enough to be on film?"

Firstly, they are "orbs", and are very apparent. Perhaps your moniter isn't allowing you to see them, perhaps it is set too dark.

Second, I never stated they were ghosts. Just found the similarity between Soulshroudes image and my own, both taken at different times of the same place to be interesting, in the least.

I don't care to much for still photographs as they can easily be dubbed with high technology. Moving film slowed down and seeing something strange or unexplained and reviewed by specialists declaring it was not altered is far better proof.

I LOVE this subject and I'm glad that someone decided to start a thread on it!

I do believe that spirit photography is a genuine genre of photography, and one that seems to be growing with popularity.

I myself have captured a few images of what could be orbs; although at the same time it's hard to decipher them from dust particles that got onto the camera lens.

I have some photographs from a concert I was at in Bowling Green, OH a couple of years ago and orbs were popping up EVERYWHERE...that was even one that looked like it had a smiley face in it. I will get the pics up onto Photobucket and post them here for open debate.

And, just for the sake of saying it...I *Loved* the movie Shutter!

Hey Dabbler...I was glancing at the photo you posted, and the silhouette of it looks like the Virgin Mary, of her standing with her head bowed just slightly and her hands up in prayer. Maybe I'm the only one who sees that? *shrug*

Perhaps the most popular " Spirit Photo, was of Mary Todd Lincoln, with Abe at her shoulder, of course this was the results of the very popular practice of fabricating spirit photos.

Another popular practice was to cater to War Widows, the sinister photographers would use enlistment photos as a source for crafting
pictures, pictures used to "show the widow" their departed soldier awaited passage, passage that was assured after a ritual was performed, for only the price of imported candles. At booku prices.

The orb you were discussing in your first photo ~Theban~ is there, to the right of the fireplace, under in between the standing boards or whatever they are. Light grey in hue.

As for the Lalaurie pics, the reason why the two main orbs appear: one in front of the balcony and the other next to the bricked up window... Is because two slaves lost their lives. Aside from the slave girl from the balcony, the other slave jumped out the window to their death.

Please watch the video....

The Ancient Ram Inn where I have been many times now.. the building was in existence in the 11th century and was built to house the stone masons who built the local church. Notice in the video on the side is written 13th century...I wont bore you guys with the history!

The guy you see in my pictures is the owner John, who is just as weird as the Ram.

Now to wander slightly from the orbs, you will notice the man (stu) was allegedly attacked in the barn where I caught the possible orb shots.....



The medium with him has since been discredited as being a FAKE!

The Bishops room is supposed to be the most haunted room in the building....this place is said to be haunted by Pure Evil...Mwhaaaaa!!

Utter bollocks!...although dam, I'm still looking, still taking photos, still being sucked in! I have been there so many times now. Perhaps I'm disappointed because they just wont punch or kick me!

Perhaps the reason I don't get attacked is because the Evil spirits like me lol, or because I think the picture of the Witch is dam hot!! LMFAO....

First off, Some of those pictures are freaky. o.o
I believe that you can captureghosts or spirits on photography.

Images can be easily manipulated though so unless you take them yourself. You won't truly know if it's real or not.

Orbs can be dust partials, bugs, anything. it can be something on the lens of the camera.




Lady horror

hmmm yeah..Orbs always look like dust or something on the lense to me..lol

For me, the orb have to be filmed in motion and obviously not dust i.e. exhibiting different colors that can't be explained, moving in a way uncharacteristic of particles, etc.

As for full body/partial and mists.... it depends on the picture. The one of the ammityville horror house seems hoaxy. And dabblers seems to convenient. The person happened to have the camera ponited dead on the stairs at the exact moment a ghost was walking down, and directly in frame? Come on. Not saying it's not possible, but not very likely. Unless they saw something first.

My sister used to have a picture she took when she was on her school trip to Gettysburg PA and there looked to be a man with a handlebar mustache in the corner near the door in the hotel room they were in... Don't have the pic anymore though... a shame really.

i'm a bit skeptic on orb pictures, only because it could just be a piece of dust or a bug, the pic from the Amityville house i would say that is real, the history of the house just cofirms it for me. The cellphone pic looks like it could be real, or it could be fake. i mean there are some many things you can do with cell phones now and days who knows.

The whole Spirit Photo issue is a debatable subject. Tons of Forensic Scientist say the only way to get a true Spirit Photo is with a Polaroid. 35mm camera film can be easily manipulated to look like Spirit Photos. Examples are smoke in front of the lens, light reflecting off dust, double exposures, and shadow manipulation just for a few.

This photo was taken in 1994 at a satanic ritual. It was a digital camera, and we also had a person video taping the rite. This is just one photo of many like it that was taken.

If you follow the imagery it is a repeative image of something else that was moving or imprinted onto the shot that probably shouldnt have been there. I don't see anything to it really.

Some of the older black/white camera shots can have ghost like effects esp if a person was sitting back and then moved forward during a flash shot. The image didn't have time to "catch up" to the final shot.

Orbs i believe are nothing more than dust or dirt particles. They almost look like the specks i see in my eye lens when i look around back and forth.

Through modern machines....they have been known to print thousands of random pictures day in and day out and sometimes leave marks and yellowish tint across photos that usually get tossed so my theory is.....perhaps some imagery that is being imprinted onto some of your (everyone in general) photos came from another person's shots. Again i state this as a theory.

Even from a digital camera from one attendee? AND a video tape being filmed by another?

I can't answer for the video because i haven't seen it, as for the picture it still looks like a repeative light source to me.

I will say 50 50. Most of the Spirit photos are fake, created by a good intention, too amaze the viewer. While others are real, created, not by the person taking the picture, but, by a ghost, who want to be in the picture. Cameras are from an old time, and those ghost are old and they know that a picture can say 1000 words that they can say anymore.

My dad has a really cool 1989 35mm canon camera. I love using it to get amazing photos of wildlife and such. A few years ago, he taught me how to take double and triple exposed photos. He has a really cool triple exposed photo of the pine trees on the Mogollon Rim in Arizona, the full moon quite large obetween two of the pines, and a Native-American face within the moon. My dad took this triple exposed photo about 18 years ago, or shortly after he got the camera. It looks amazing but you can tell it's triple exposed.

I haven't delved too much into spirit photography, mainly because I paint. :) That takes up alot of the time I set aside for any kind of hobby.

A friend of mine captured the image of a Native American on a log that sits along the bed of a creek in her backyard. I didn't see it right away but when she pointed it out, I was like - how could I miss that!? I'll ask her permission about posting it here, it's really awesome.

BTW, I want to post my orb pics but I wanted to make sure - do you need to be a PM in order to post pics in the forum? I don't ever remember needing to be but I just wanted to make sure! :)

.. just been thinkin on the famous one of the 'spirit', taken at Speke Old Hall.

.. shit, that prompted the story am workin on Now.

I am skeptic as to the exixstance of spirts but I personally havent had an experience. I live in New England where there are several haunted places. I have gone there and taken pictures and I have captured orbs and anaomilies that only exist in some pictures. I do believe that is possible for spirits to manifest in pictures.

i believe it's possible to take images of spirits but my question would be what type of film,camera and or lens is the best kind to do so

i dont think it matters what type it is.. it seems that there are different types that do it.


anyone else have any ideas?

I believe that it is very possible to catch spirits by photograph and EVPs. Over the years countless people have caught numerous EVPs and countless photographs and have come forward saying they have not photoshoped it. I do not have any pictures to share i do however have experiences in many different places of spirits.

There are people that will fake a picture but many do not fake it.

The most famous images captured on camera have been documented on film themselves therefore they become credible.

Hollywood has proven to fake many things in many different ways therefore it alters peoples minds and the way they view things. I do not let Hollywood do that to me. I go on what i have experienced.

I believe it is possible to take photographs that have spirits in them.
After my Mom died my Dad was sitting in a big easy chair in my sister's house. She took a picture of him and when it was developed there above his head was something that looked like smoke. We thouhgt thaa maybe it was something on the photograph but none of the others had it .
It was a little freaky at first.

I find this thread very interesting as I just had a member of the South Carolina Paranormal Reserach Team over for Thanksgiving dinner less then two weeks ago. With that said I believe spirit photography is possible but is often to easily faked. As to which of the above photos are real and which aren't I'm no expert and won't offer my opinion.

cameras have changed a lot through the years.

there is a photo of a man in a truck and it looks like there's a ghost man sitting behind him. not sure if people know which one im talking about but it's used a lot by others... but during that time period, they used a hand-held flash.
The man simply moved from back to front during the shot, which as it became developed, makes it look like there is a ghost behind him in the truck.

Depending on the time period and how cameras functioned, and esp one needs to consider the flashes as a captured light source to be explained away certain images.

Orbs or what people claim as orbs really upsets me I think there is a possiblity of them however 99.9999% of the time its nothing but dust or bugs or some debree especially if the picture is of outside. Claiming you have gotten an orb in a picture doesn't prove anything, it's hard to prove and it's easier to claim it was something else.

As for spirits being caught in photos. I don't know , its really hard to prove that too. you could of gotten shadows that some how made a face or the photo was doctored somehow or in someway. It's really hard to prove anything really. Ghost hunters take a lot of photos. They have only 1 time gotten something that couldnt' be explained in a picture. out of all the times they snapped photos.

I worked in the paranormal field for a long time and have personally experienced spirit being captured on film.
Every one has there own opinion but generally unless you are ready to believe even die hard evidence will be called out as fake.
In most cases, people will not believe unless they see it for themselves no matter how hard we try to prove facts or how compelling the evidence.

Danny and I both have taken tons of really neat orb pictures. Also some mist ones. We love to go ghost hunting. But not til it gets warmer. =( Viva la spring!

=)

I do believe that there are photos out there that are of spirits. The problem lies with ppl trying to make a quick buck and fake photos. I believe the ones that you have shown here are fake. Some photos cannot be explained so you would have to say they are true spirit photos.

Any good inquiry of material evidence that is presented for authentication, will involve more then just
showing the photo. There should be a background inquiry as well. The who.. what .. where.. when..etc.

too often people point out the alledged apparition to the viewer, this is not acceptable if one seeks to maintain a nonbiased assesment.

There are others factors that a skilled photographer can assess as well.. focus.. light (back light, and forlight)
shadow, and in picture motion (as mentioned here already) even scratches on lenses have been claimed to be apparitions.

I have seen fakes.. I know how to make them.. and, I've seen pics I cannot say are fakes.

One of the truest forms of spirit photohraphy. That is Kurlian potography. Its able to pick up more that just the image it focus on. Other photoghraphic methods as well

although I have never been able to capture any Ghost activity on film.....

I have seen numerous examples....

and with the current capablities of Photoshop and other phot editing software...

anyone can fake a ghost....

BUT...

I have also seen images that defy explaination.

and finally....

recently... on a trip the Gettysburg battlefield..... I was going on a Ghost tour.... when my camera battery went dead.... the odd thing was I had a full charge at the first meeting place.... a place where a good many soldiers were supposedly buried after the battle.

so figure that one out.

:)

Seems as though the only reason for the satanic pic to look like that is if the camera setting was set to daytime instead of night time for the photo. It happens to me all the time.

well, I stand by what I said, though saying that.. someone might know more.

but an apparition at Speke Old Hall.. was something.

These are pics of a graveyard in southern louisiana...not sure if you would call this spirit photography or just dust ...i myself was not present during these photos but they were taken by my gf at the time.

Orbs outside at night are usually dust or moisture. If they are single pictures of orbs like the ones above, then there is cause for more speculation. But I can't argue with them being real or not. I have many pics of them unexpectedly showing up in photos I've taken.

I believe in orbs and have tested the dust theory but hitting some window blinds and taking pictures to capture dust that went everywhere. NOTHING. Clear shots. Interesting huh? Now sure, there may be some dust pics, but don't be so quick to toss out the possibility of the paranormal.

I need to post some of our orb shots. We have some good ones. So many to try to photobucket them though. I did catch one or two at a cemetary in New Orleans when we went for the Rave gig. =)

Also, Aracon, sadly, I believe that is from a certain setting you can put your flash on. It makes things look like ghosts and sorta doubles some things. I can't recall what it's called on mine, but I've gotten similiar shots that I thought, "Wow that sure looks like ghost pics", but I knew it wasn't. =(

I believe spirits can be captured on camera but as many people have pointed out it is so easy to fake a spirit it is hard to determine which ones are genuine.

A few years ago while I was touring the Highlands of Scotland I stayed in a Hostel in Fort William that was being run by a tour group and I took some photos in the living room, when I got them developed (I was still using film then) a couple of shots looked really strange with orbs all over the place and one shot looked like it had the image of a skeleton like figure with it's hands around the throat of one of the guests!! I'll try to find the pic by I took it in 1996 so I might never find it:(

As for strange pics, I think i spotted something in the pic with the satanic ritual. Near the top right hand corner of the photo, there appears to be a face there.....perhaps?

Yeah, I think its possible too, although I'm not too bothered about it.

SPIRIT PHOTOGRAPHY
SPIRIT PHOTOGRAPHY
It's Strange & Controversial History


The actual practice of attempting to capture ghosts on film dates back nearly a century and a half to around 1861. Not surprisingly, this type of photography has been controversial and the subject of much debate ever since.

The reason that is most given for the lack of widespread acceptance of the credibility of spirit photographs is that the photographs of the past were so riddled with fraud. Strangely though, it is spirit photography that seems to provide the most scientific evidence of ghosts. It is one of the only methods of capturing ghostly phenomena that approaches the standards of science. The reasons for this are fairly simple and include the fact that genuine spirit photos are clearly a physical phenomenon; the amount of energy that goes into making such a photo can be measured by the way it appears in the image; a method of attempting to establish replication is possible; and finally, that it may be possible at some point to develop explanations for how spirit photographs are made and why they exist.

Spirit photography is what seems to be the effect of radiation of some sort on photosensitive film. Such results continue today, although much has changed from the early days of photography. In those days, the photographer first had to prepare a glass plate by coating it with a film of collodion (gun cotton dissolved in ether) containing iodide of potassium, sensitize it by dipping it into a bath of silver nitrate and then take the photograph while the plate was still wet. Each exposure was exciting, each batch of chemicals mixed was a new experiment and every result and reason to take another. Today, we take photography for granted by simply loading film into a camera and snapping a picture. But thanks to advances in film, cameras and technology over the last several decades, it may be that the controversial science of spirit photography is finally coming of age. Of course, nothing of the present could exist without the example of the past.

Spirit photography of today differs greatly from that of days gone by however. As mentioned already, the fraudulent spirit photography of the past has damaged the reputation of modern efforts, making it difficult for today’s ghost hunter’s to be taken seriously. Just the mention of "spirit photography" tends to conjure up the images of days gone by, a period that was plagued with questionable methods and often humorous results. But were all of the photographs of the past fake images that were created to bilk people out of their money? It has been claimed that spirit photographs were first produced by accident and only when unscrupulous photographers realized the wealth to be made from them were the first fraudulent images produced. But were they all frauds or did a few fakes muddy the waters for the many?

-continued at Haunted Musuem-

If you experiment enough with dust, cameras and night and day shots it soon becomes apparent that orb photo's are not dust, especially when you catch orbs on video and the orb travels in a straight line and then suddenlt changes direction to travel in another line.

One of the worse things about being an investigator is the constant need to have to justify yourself to others

After several years of this you become complacent and become of the opinion that if someone disbeleives you then fine its actually there loss.