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I believe that it is possible but at the same time very hard. If as a Wiccan we can harm none and as a Vampire drain the enrgy of people arnt we harming them in someway. And if as Vamps we are casting to the darker side wont that come back at us by three. Or by Being in the light of one and the dark of the other do they offset like a Yin yang kind of thing
Very perplexing

Drainin people of the right amount of energy does not harm them. They may feel tired, or other symptoms but nothing permanent nor harmful. That is one reason we are not to be feared as we are. We do not harm intentionally. Oh sure, some do but thats individual choice.

Alright but do you understand why I think they seem to couteract each other. I guess used correctly they could make you very powerful as an indivdual.

If the thread, "DEFINE: FEEDING" still exists..you might find that Stabb was making a few points that might be of interest ti your question in it. In that it questions whether or not the drain hurts of violates anyone :)

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Yes, I can see your point. It is indeed rather ironic.

Yes I See Your Point Also.

Yes, I do see your point, and in some way I do think it would be possible.

I believe it would be possible.

Well I am learning how to abide the rules of one and interlace the lifestyle of the other and find that it is a balancing act to say the least.

"Harm none, but do what thy wilt."

Harm none on PURPOSE-- but go forth, survive with the means to live peacefully with others.

Yes but I already have issues with the fact that according to the rede I can not even eat meat. I do, but I as a Wiccan am not supposed to. I am not to kill even a fly. Its a tricky thing, But it is true. And Harm thee none do as thou will.

It gave it's life to you willingly-- else it would've put up a fight. *shrugs*

I eat meat as well-- but as of recent, I've found out I've a bit of a lactose intolerence.

Bummer I drink way to much milk.

Narakyndryn isnt that an excerpt from the book of the law.. " Aleister Crowley? I have brought this up before as a question on another site but my question was more based on can a wiccan believe in christ... anyhow.. Vampirism is a condition, and wicca is a form of religion. They do not go side by side.. they are on a completely different scale of things. hope I make sense.. and btw this is just my own opinion

I belive that Konstintinos wrote a book that answers that question titled "Night Magik".

I believe that no matter what creature you are you are still in the same hold of the 3 times 3 law. I'm sure that you can live a life as pure as you can being as a wiccan but you will have to break your own rules by draining the energy and life substance of others. You're more like a gray area kind of person.

Yes you can. I am both. I drain minimal energy, only as much as I truely need. I have honed my energy drwaing abilities and even learned how to give it. I live as both every day, Yes it is possible.

Everyone seems to have a different perception of vampirism- some believe that feeding should be a mutual thing, both knowing and consensual. Some just do as they will.

I do know for a fact that there are people of all religions that are into vampirisim. I have done extensive research and found it to be true.

To me, vampirism is not a religion~ it's a way of life. So, your religion would not matter- unless your religion is specific in what is allowed and not allowed.

So if you are a Wiccan following the beliefs of consensual feeding- there would be no issues.

Yes it is possible to be both. and yes you can obey the wiccan rede and be a Vampire

iv been brougght up wiccan
and my moms a vamp (atleast she tells me she is) and she does it just fine

when you feed off energy, you can do it in a way that wont hard your host..so thus you can be wiccan and a vampyre at the same time

I think the idea is that you're not causing intentional physical harm. A normal person can recover easily from a controlled drain. It isn't actually harming to them. Therefore, the feeding doesn't actually break the rule.

And to the one who mentioned it, Crowley actually said, "Do what thou wilst, that shall be the whole of the law."

If you drain themfrom negative emotions then you're doing well.

So my answer is yes.

I believe it is possible. There are many types of energy to be drained...it depends on which type you select. In my opinion, draining negative energy is more powerful and energizing because it is so chaotic, and draining such causes a positive effect on the donor. All in all, if done correctly, you're assisting the donor.

well if you bite someone who likes it then there is no harm being done so that is one way to balance it

I guess first you would have to believe in the rede to find it contridictory.

Personally as a witch I can't seen how in good faith to live by the read on a day in and day out basis. There are times that the right thing is right no matter if someone is harmed in the process or not. But then again it depends on what you call harmed!

In the case of feeding, you can see it as harming them, but what if they are very willing and want to be feed from. They may even have the ability to pull energy from the universe as quickly as they are feed from. Does this really harm them? I quess it depends on your view now doesn't it.

There is no clear answer to this question because no two people will see it the same.

I am with bloodhell on this one....

Although I am not Wiccan and am a Druid... I would presume as long as you only take what you need and in return give back something to nature {in my example Gaiah}.. I would think that all is well...After all is it not something all creatures share with Nature...She gives us our exsistance, we take what we need to survive and hopefully we take time to give back to nature what we borrow, until we cease to exsist and Nature takes back what she has lent us in the first place.

i sitll find this very hard to contemplate, as the wicca nrede is quite strict in fact, im not a vampire myself but yes some times i have to do banishing spells that can have consquences...thus sometimes i find myself i this dilemma...yet for the me the rule is if its necessary, then must do it

Nicely put Rowiel

thks very much indeed...yet many times this dilemma actually gives me sleepless nights

Just be true to yourself and what you believe and try not to fear wat you are....

I find this is the only way for something like this not to affect me...

However I am not Wiccan so, I cant really say how it would effect me if I was.

yes but yr words are indeed wise, i shall take them dearly

Wise I am not sure about...This I will learn myself in time...How I live my life however is by what i say and see.

No one can truely say what they say or do is wise until time shows us how we lived was just....

I think that how wise one is or was is only truley learned by how others see us after we are no longer part of their lives..

As long as we are true to ourselves then in live how people percieve us should not matter.

i understand yr point and i shall take it

Well being a wiccan myself like Rowiel I must admit that the wiccan rede is itself very strict. However I do believe than draining some energy from other people is not as such that harmful. I think you have to be in control of yourself and avoid draining too much energy.

I have no doubt that it can be done and if you think on it it isn't that hard. You only take so much blood or energy from any one person and have a group of donors. In this way you work out a trade so that they don't lose enough to become ill and you get what you need

I believe you cant be Wiccan and be a vampire, pys or otherwise.
I do believe you can be pagan and following another path other than Wicca that doesnt have such strict rules put in place to control people and stop them from becoming to powerful.
Maegwynn

lamuerte, Just so you know I was joking with my comment... LOL.. I study thelema among other things hun... Just wanted to clear that up

lets start first with energy vampirism ; you dont have to drain anyone intentionly to fed just go to any public place where there is a crowd enjoying an event or just being outside and about they are already giving away energy and it is out there for anyone or thing to absorb and if not claimed it just disapates into the cosmos so you might as well use it.
now for blood vampirism; blood taken when freely offered is returned by pleasure the donor recieves when giving so it is a true trade and it harms none but rather gives to both the donor and the recipient , now if you take without it being freely given then you may violate the spirit of the wiccan rede but unless you do so violently or to death even an unwilling donor will be able to replace what was taken and not miss it

well i dnt know but my friend im not saying who she says she is half vamp and wiccan so yeah i dnt know i thought id just say.....no point really

Glad to see people are still giving diff points of view on this. It is possible just a hard balancing act in my opinion

I would not see a conflict between the two. Every creature needs to feed, that is just nature..a wolf is a wolf, so to speak.
The wiccan rede was just something that Gerald Gardner ripped off from Crowley and changed a bit. The original was "Do what you will is the whole of the law, Love is the Law, Love under Will.
Gardner just tried to make it more simple! But that idea does not seem to have worked out too well.

I think it can be described like this:
The Wiccan Rede says "harm none"
Vampires have to eat, drink, breathe, etc just like everyone else

therefore, to interlink the two the Wiccan Vampire Rede = "Harm None Outside of Survival"

yes you can be both if all your victims are willing

Just a stupid thought. Vamps drink blood to survive. Does the wiccan 3 fold rule apply to survival?

the way i see it the rede is about karma

a vampire feeding of the 'blood' or pranic essence of an individual instantly also takes that measure of that ones karma into his/her own body and self

thus the insistance that one does not feed on the sick, and ones with a taint in the blood

essentially a vampire is a potential healer, in the most essential and Christ like sense,

one feeding on the essence of another feeds on every aspect of that essence

if we here may be so bold as to equate karma with the much misunderstood word 'sin' ,things may become a little more clear

one feeds on sin as a vampire, as most blood is tainted, to some extent , except ones that maintain their energy bodies with much severity, and practice

and sin is just knowledge of ones acts
which is karma

every time one resolves anothers karma in ones body and self, as one has to, to escape its effects, (as it is now tantamount to ones karma), one actually dies a little for or of that sin

this is perhaps what is meant when it is said that vampires are the eternal shifters of energy

energy is but a means for karma to be configured into

the wiccan rede if i am not mistaken also speaks in facts , not in imperatives

it is a truth, that what does around must come around,

the matter here is less moral i think than that of a choice regarding what one wants to be coming round to one,

a question of exactly what karma does one want to be digesting

and at what cost

thank you for letting me share this

i think its extreemly possible...i hope it is anyway...it just means you can only take the little drink and you cant drain them totally...vampirism doesnt necissaraly mean its dark and evil...and religion is a diferent part of life

erm...... i believe that you couldnt be a wiccan vampire, because the wiccan religion is mainly about there being no harm to others and not inflicting any pain. even if it is not through magicks, i think the same rules apply here.

not sure... never really thought about it that way.... interesting...

Very true in wicca we are taught not to harm others,but in the same aspect in Druidism they teach it is ok to harm one if you are doing good.Say fo instance if you harm one to help someone close to you.So yes beign an eclectic wiccan I believe you can be both.

It amazes me how many people mis-interpret the Rede, Or make it stricter than it has to be. an additional comment though, mutual and consentual feeding, is ideal, but not necissary to follow the rede while feeding.

interesting views and responses

I like you Jarett are a wiccan but i'm also a psy.....i live by the wiccan rede and do not harm other so yes i have to say you can be both and not break the rede

Its all great answers I see here thanx for making it last this long. Keep em coming if you can.

Everyone has made valid points...the bottom line is that vampires are really divided into two catagories...the murderous who drain their donor of all the life and the 'good' who only take a little. We here at VR fall into the second catagory so...yes you can still be wiccan because you are not hurting the person 'donor'. Not to worry...the goddess will not strike you down for this. That's why I'm a nocturnal witch.

Yes the Wiccan Rede says "and harm none, love, do what thou wilt." but it is acutally alot longer ( If anyone is interested I will post in my journal). I think it is possible from what I know about both life styles and I will Admit that I Don't know everything!! So I will state the Cycle of death and Rebirth:
"I died as a mineral and became a plant,
Idied as a plant an rose an animal,
I died as an animal and I was man.
Why should I fear? When was I ever less by dying?
Yet once more I shall die as man, to soar
In the Blessed Realm; but even from godhood I must pass on>........."
So as you can see death in any form is acceptable.

i completely believe it's possible. one of the main points in the rede is that you must do what you can to survive. as long as you don't hunt someone innocent down and slaughter them mercilessly,it isn't a problem.

I think it is possible, truely

Yes I See Your Point Also.

interesting...

i agree its possible but very hard i guess then you could feed off of a dying animal or really old one so its put out of its misery lol

I would geuss if you dont take the unwilling.. it is ok?

For the feeding off af a dead animal. sangs would not, and energy vampyres cannot, there is no life energy there.

i practice wicca and i am a vampire as well

i don't harm mortals, but i do use their energy when i am in need.. and sometimes i use there own energy to cast spells to help them in there way.

so i'm going to say that it is possible

I think as long as you do it in the proper amount and that permission is given.

Just my two cents... I work in energies just like a psy vamp, only I do energy work only on localized dis-ease. In what I do, I'm kind of filtering the energy through, and I guess you may stretch and call it feeding... even though I don't keep the energy I take; I throw the "injured" energy back out and I make sure I push good energy from the universe back into the person to replace what they have lost in transfer. (Though I imagine that some of the energy that I worked with would naturally stay with me, because I do feel "heated" after a healing session.)

I suppose that there are no exact answers unless definition lines are drawn. There are levels of practice and interpretation with every faith and belief. At what line are you drawing your wiccan definitions? At what line are you drawing your definition of a vampire?

The nice thing about the world we live in today, is that we really do have the ability to study anything we want and decide for ourselves what in which discipline we want to use. The standard codes of honor found across the board can stay, but we can choose, if we want, to follow a hodge podge of whatever else it is that we believe in.

Isn't that great?

As long as you ask permission of the person you are taking the energy from, and don't take more than you need, I don't see it as being harmful at all. I believe it is very possibly to be Wiccan, a Vampire, and still follow the Rede.

~Starfire

i believe it is possible yes

Yes feeding is not harming a person in any any permenant or serouse way.

Yes feeding is not harming a person in any any permenant or serouse way.