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Yes, I did say PREHISTORIC BOWL. I have been trying to do my own research on vampires starting from the very beginning of time. I was reading a piece by M. Summers (The Vampire-His Kirth and Kin). He mentions something about a prehistoric bowl that has been found that COULD be the earliest known reference to vampires. The bowl is supposedly published in The Delegation en Perse. However, try as I may I can't find a representation of the bowl. I know it dates around the early Babylonian and Assyrian times but I can't nail down a time frame either. Has anyone else heard of this bowl and its history? I do have my notes on what is depicted on the bowl if anyone is interested. Thanks.

The "Vampire" we find has been around since Sumerian times when the "Gods" came down from the heavens and dwelt among man. The land of Nod was infamous for many types of cultures including blood rituals which include blood drinking and human sacrifices among the inhabitants WHO were not originally from this world.
If you look hard enough you will find much some about the Vampiric race....yes race...that existed.....There is a lot that has been hidden for reasons that the Catholic Church have of their own.....can you guess why???

It sounds very interesting. I would like to hear more. Unfortunately, I have not heard of this Prehistoric Bowl.

Can you providelinks or other information to show where you learned of this bowl?

I saw a thing on te discovery channel about babylonian times and there thoughts about vampyre egsistance

If I may ask a point of clarification before I respond at any length: are you referring to Montague Summers, friend of Aleister Crowley?

OK...scratch that, I just looked up his collected works and answered my own question; but to further your post I found an excellent link to the work you mentioned complete with some illustrations.

Click here for a fascinating early work by M. Summers; if you continue through the biography, the work is re-printed by chapter.

Sorry have not heard of this before. But if you find a link with a pic of the bowl, please place it in here. That would be neat to see.

haven't heard of it but would like to know more about it if you could tell us more please do

I generally don't read older books like things written by Monatague Summers as they are steeped in superstition. He is given as a good source of information as far as folklore goes. I am aware of a Vampyre race written about in Merovingian Gnostic folklore...the Arcadians but not all researchers find the same ideas...Andrew Collins had a different one. So its interesting to research and its interesting when people say they have pastlife experiencs and I take in all this information but some of the obscure things are really going to be hard to find on the internet as there may only be drawings of them rather than pictures. You need to find out whether the source was just commenting on it or if they were apart of any dig in the modern times where they have them in a museum or collection somewhere. Otherwise it will be hard to find anything. I have gone down those dead end paths...good luck.

I apologize. I have never heard of this. However, I would love to see some documentation on the subject.

Have never heard of this.. Would like to know more information about it.

thank-you for the link to the book...the bowl however...

Damn you want us to actual have some initiative Seven? I think you might be asking too much ~giggles~ I will journey to the link and read up on the bowl. I must admit that your link to the bowl (not the book explaining it) was quite funny.

i haven't heard of this prehistoric bow but it sounds interesting...

a similar thread had been posted before about the first of all vampires.. although its a myth and bible based, some say that lilith was the first and other say its cain.

but i'm interested to leaarn more about this middle east vampires

its interesting that most of the societies think of women as vampires...

i thought vampires were mostly depicted as men, not women.

in western cultures...in the book sevenn left the link to parts of..they are mostly depicted as women. interesting bit about first time moms that died in labor as well.

never heard of this but would like to know more.

if the Catholic church is involved you know they kept this secrete to maintain power over the Christians.

carlton999 said "if the Catholic church is involved you know they kept this secrete to maintain power over the Christians."

And if the Hindus are involved you know they kept this secret to maintain their caste system over the lower shudras and untouchables.

Luna1seirra is I believe is correct in women being known as vampires. It seems that I have been seeing a lot of references toward women being such usually because of something bad happening to them. At least, I think I have that right.? I was not aware that Cain was thought of as vampire? Is that correct?
As for some churches trying to hide a vampiric past, I don't see why you would?Please keep in mind I am only referring to the past for this question. For me, it comes down to a good vs evil thing. But then I think that would be considered another topic altogether.

Sevenn, thanks for the heads up on the book.

This is very interesting. I have never heard of this bowl you speak of. If you could possibly provide links to this information that you have found that would be great.

i agree , montague is most interesting...i will be reading about him too...

I hope to hit the muesum online within the next day or two. I will let you all know how I make out about getting a picture or link.

Okay, this isn't quite what I was looking for but I think it is a good start. Most of what I am finding seems to start dating around 3rd or 4th bc or the early bronze age. I have found some bowls mentioning an early Lilith, if I have read it correctly. I am including the webpage. It is http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~hunn/Topics/Lilth/

The bowls are to me, anyway, very interesting. I could not figure out how to link the page here so you will have to type everything in. Sorry. But for those of you who go there I think you will find it enlightening. The name of the site is The Lilith Shrine The Historical Lilith.

I find that prehistoric times for vampire's may have even been cannibolistic tribes.. or that is what I have been told.. who knows.. but this is very cool to find such information..~NFA

I have been very interested in reading all the posts that are in here and have gone in search of all the reading material as well. As far as Lilith I have heard that she is the first vampire and was the first wife of Adam before Eve but fell in love with the more interesting and wild angel Sammael because of Adam's insistance on only using the missionary position and it is also said that she is the mother of Cain.

I have noticed that if cannobolism is suppected then it is mentioned if not then just what the artifact represents is open to question. Sometimes I get the feeling the no matter what is depicted or what kind of reference is made to vampires or a being similar to them that people or researchers in general will find it difficult to believe. Did that make sense?

I have heard of this bowl. I, however, do not know any real history or information on this, I just heard of it. :/ I would really like to know alot more on this, though. It had interested me from the beginning.

Sevenn mentioned Babylonian cylinder seals in the Revue d'Assyriologie, 1909 ...

I trawled through the Louvre database and found this. This seems to be it (its the only Babylonian cylinder there as far as I can tell)

In case your french is a little rusty, its a Sumerian myth about the creation of mankind.

For everyone who asked to see the seal ... enjoy

Interesting concept I would like to read mor about this.

it gets you thinking

Thank you for the post, Artemka. I definitely enjoyed seeing it. And just to go ahead and weigh in, I agree with Sevenn that research is important, but sometimes seeing that artifact or that archaeologically significant find DOES make a difference while mocking that desire really doesn't.

Sounds interesting.if you get a chance send me some info.

Never heard of this.. very interesting though.