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please read the artical first the question is at the bottom.


http://www.livescience.com/history/060213_ap_joan_arc.html


"GARCHES, France (AP) -- A team of scientists hopes to crack one of the layers of mystery surrounding 15th-century French heroine Joan of Arc: Could a rib and other fragments recovered after she was burned at the stake be hers?
Eighteen experts plan a battery of tests to determine whether the few remains reportedly recovered from the pyre where the 19-year-old was burned alive for heresy -- including a rib bone and some skin -- really could have belonged to her.
The woman warrior-turned-saint remains omnipresent in the French imagination, nearly 600 years after her ashes were thought to have been thrown into the Seine River.
The tests, which will take six months, will not be able to say with certainty that the remains are Joan of Arc's, because there is no known DNA sample from her to compare them with, said Dr. Philippe Charlier of the Raymond-Poincare Hospital in Garches, west of Paris.
But the analyses will determine with "absolute certitude'' if the remains could not be hers, Charlier said at a news conference.
He said Joan of Arc supposedly was burned three times on May 30, 1431, following her trial in the Normandy town of Rouen. She initially died of smoke inhalation, according to Charlier, and when she was burned a second time, her internal organs were not fully consumed by the flames. Nothing was said to remain after the third cremation except her ashes.
The 6-inch rib bone was wrapped in a blackish substance and was "remarkably well-preserved,'' Charlier said.
He said scientists would use DNA testing to determine whether the rib belonged to a woman. Then they will put it through other tests to determine its exact age.
No DNA comparison can be done with possible descendants since Joan of Arc's supposed family tree is "probably false,'' he said.
Joan of Arc was tried for heresy and witchcraft and burned at the stake after leading the French to several victories over the English during the Hundred Years' War, notably in Orleans, south of Paris.
The illiterate farm girl from Lorraine in eastern France disguised herself as a man in her campaigns and said she heard voices from a trio of saints telling her to deliver France from the English. Joan of Arc was beatified in 1909 and made a saint in 1920.
The supposed remains were gathered by an unidentified person and conserved by an apothecary until 1867, when they were turned over to the archdiocese of Tours.
In 1909, scientists declared it "highly probable'' that the remains were Joan of Arc's. Given recent developments in genetic technology, the researchers at Garches decided to try again.
This will not be the first time Charlier has dabbled in the uncertainties of France's past. Last year, he was able to identify the cause of death of Agnes Sorel, the official mistress of the 15th century King Charles VII, as mercury poisoning. But he was unable to determine whether the poisoning was a murder."

yes i know this is more of a science thing but i wanted to share the read,,

my question is what was she sopused to have done that was conisdred witch craft , and after so many years do you think they could tell if the pice of skin and bone are hers?




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Apparently she was captured by the English and burned by them - not the French (which is what I always thought was the case.) Her crime was heretical. She stated she had direct contact with God.

Evidently this is the same reason the English had a similar problem with the Irish. We have a hard time admitting we aren't on equal footing with the Divine.



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The article says she was contacted by “a trio of saints”. I had previously thought she was contacted by St. Micheal the Archangel as well...

In response to your question, she was considered a heretic. The church wasn’t about to accept that God (or a “trio of saints“ and an Angel) spoke to an insignificant peasant girl. You also have to take in consideration the degree of sexism in those days.



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She was the first to fight for womens rights and feminism :p



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She wasn't fighing for Woman's rights, she was fighing for France.



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well what i was tought was that she can hear voices



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You could argue that she fought for Woman’s rights inadvertently, but in reality -- in her mind, she was fighting for France.



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Hey, she was a woman and she stood up for herself and her country. Women didn't do that back then, in my opinion she WAS, however indirectly, fighing for womens rights.



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She wasn't a witch, that's for sure. She was branded a heretic for being open about her visions.



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she passionate believed in her cause and it got her killed in the end.. thats about all i know



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I can't wait to see the results of those tests



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didn't remember that she was burned, but what she did do was fight for her country, and she had to dress as a man to do it. simply because back then they wouldn't allow her to fight any other way.

if she was burned, it was due to they finding out that she was a woman in that army, doing a what they thought back then as a man's job. and indircerty fighting for woman's rights.



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Jeanne d' Arc was a young woman who believed she was doing Gods will by bringing the French King back from exile. The French were Catholic and the English were not. They were at war, and much of France was under English occupation. Since the only information we have on Jeanne was written by those who were opposed her, it is hard to say what is the truth of the matter. There are some who believe that Jeanne and Gilles d'Rais were both sacrificed in an ancient tradition which demands the death of the King, and that they died in place of the King. Gilles was one of the Officer Advisors in Jeannes army. He ended up executed for having killed children for his lust and their blood. There is something about both of their deaths which is not found in the history. Jeanne was illiterate, and could only write her name. Gilles became the Protector of France, yet there is a question of his guilt involving the murders of which he was accused. It seems reasonable that he and Jeanne knew each other. Both were devout Catholics and faught for the Catholic King of France against the English and pushed them out of France. Perhaps both died because of false charges against them, for some purpose we will never know.
There have been a number of bones and other debris found in the area of Jeannes death over hundreds of years. None has ever been authenticated, I doubt there ever will.



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The only reason why she was considered a witch was the fact that she was rumoured to have had visions of the archangels giving her advice and information. She was the one who opened her gap, the others basically backstabbed her and took her for heracy against the chuch..."Heracy" the number one excuse and cause for too many murders. If anything, it is the church that should be condemned for heracy as they are and always have been their own god. The use of gods name for their own gain is far from faith in the Lord their god.

(My apologies for any insults within this post.)



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The story I know is she was contacted by St micheal suposvily on behalf of god and tasked with setting France free of the English.

The english captured her and tricted her into confessing she was lieing about seeing god etc. Because she was a hugh danger in regards to the french they burned her (same as they killed alot of ppl who resisted them). And it was all done in the name of god.



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Woo I rock! My middle name is Joan of Arc, not kidding. :P Well Jeanne D'Arc, same thing.

I am going with the whole church thing. They probably took her as a loon, because why would any angel or God want to talk to a nobody woman?

And they probably believed then, that she was conversing and conjuring devils and demons. Which they would view as witchcraft.

Poor poor girl. she is my hero. I wonder if I am related in any way. My family tree goes back to France.



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The simple fact that she was a woman and resisting would've gotten her hung regardless of any visions. Women did not have any rights in that period in history.



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She was a woman, who stood up and spoke, in a time when women were not allowed to speak.

She saw visions and heard voices, in a time when visions and voices were reserved for holy men, and madmen.

She claimed a connection to God, when everyone knew that God only spoke to men.

Hence, she was branded a heretic and a witch, she was used for a time, until she became too dangerous to work with any longer, and then she was dealt with accordingly.



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Extremely well put Drakontion! I wish I could've phrased it so well but you hit the nail right on the head.



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Thanks =) I have a soft spot for Joan of Arc, being a bit of a feminist myself. Lol. She was born either entirely too early, or entirely too late, but you can't say she didn't do her best for her country and her God.



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Damn straight Drakontion...I could not have said it any better myself.



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she wasnt a heretic but what she was a person of God and country just like anyone of us today we would and fight for our country if God told us to and God made a way for to join the French army by hiding her appreance



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Your question was as follows. my question is what was she sopused to have done that was conisdred witch craft , and after so many years do you think they could tell if the pice of skin and bone are hers?

According to some she was accused of witch craft because she poured candle wax on childrens heads.

As for the skin on the bone I don't believe it was her bone they found , even though it is possible they could have. The remains of her were thrown in The Seine (pronounced /sɛn/ in French) is a major river of north-western France, and one of its commercial waterways. It is also a tourist attraction, particularly within the city of Paris.



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No offense to anyone who believes in god and follows a religion worshiping him but if I heard voices telling me to do anything i'd probably think I needed shock therapy before I considered it was a god-like being. But, that is now... back then, people were a LOT more religious and speaking to god was, I don't want to say common, but it wasn't as psychotic as it sounds today.



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I think that the whole "mental issues" thing is what was at the heart of it. She had mental issues that she took as the word of god, the powers that be did not like the fact that she rallied the people because of her confidence in that word and as a result she died. The powers that be do not like change or challenge. So they kill to protect that right to rule.



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She was accused of being a witch because she was a woman who had the audacity to try to advise men and what's worse she did it well and accurately. Remember at that time men were even more offended if a woman had a thought of her own never mind was willful enough to speak it. She led the French army to many victories and was trying to warn the leaders of future problems that they thought they had quelled and the men got upset. The only way they could get rid of her was to make her look bad and then kill her.



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let me clarify my response. As I recall it was actually a combined effort by both the English and the French. The English didn't like the fact that she had been so successful against them and the French didn't appreciate that she was a woman who had shown them up



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She was thought to be a witch because of her visions, and because she was not able to be controled.

Here is an article,

Although accusations of witchcraft seem to have been most commonly made against older women who lived on the margins of society and who may have become socially troublesome, there is also evidence that women who were too powerful could become targets as well. Joan of Arc is one famous example of a woman who achieved a great deal but was then burned as a witch for her trouble.

Joan of Arc, who has become the patron saint of France, was a peasant girl who experienced mystical visions of St. Michael, St. Catherine, and St. Margaret during the Hundred Years War which convinced her that she was destined by God to lead the French to victory over the English invaders.

In 1429 she convinced the dauphin Charles VII to let her demonstrate that she had the ability to match her ambitions and she led French forces to liberate the city of Orleans from an English siege. She was eventually taken prisoner by the Burgundians, allies of England, and turned over to the English who burned her at the stake as a witch on the argument that her claims of direct communication with God were heretical and an act of disobedience to the Church.

Not until June 16, 1456, did Pope Callistus III declare Joan of Arc to be innocent on the charges of heresy and witchcraft. It can be difficult for powerful institutions to admit error of any sort, but especially when the errors involve grave injustices that cause the suffering and death of innocent people. Everyone likes to think of themselves are pure of heart and doing good work, even when they are hurting others. Sometimes the need to justify one's actions leads one to justifications of brutality, cruelty, and violence in general -- and thus a betrayal of whatever moral principles they thought they held to begin with.

here is the link:

http://atheism.about.com/od/christianityviolence/ig/Christian-Persecution-Witches/Joan-Arc-Witch-Heretic-Burn.htm



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Here here LadyDarkRayne. Joan had the support of her king (The Daphne) this has been stated many times, he knew who she was and for a time believed in her himself. Whether she had mental issues or not she rallied a people to fight back against people they saw as the oppressor.

Mikhail



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She was also struck by an arrow during battle and yet got right back up to resume fighting, many saw this and were frightened by it. Being a woman in a mans world surely didn't help and that she spoke to a saint.



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Wolfsbohne
i thought it was the french too



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As "abrasive" as she may sound vixens right. Sometimes we entertain stories that have such an easy answer because it is more mysterious and fun that way but facts are facts.....



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The few articles that I have read on Joan of Arc never mention a problem burning her at the stake after her trial. What the hearsay is that people hear her speaking in various voices, which were identified as certain saints and that was her connection to God. Here is a great link of her BIO that has lots of detailed information and the specific details of her history.



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What was she supposed to have done which was considered witchcraft?? Mmmm, well I agree with a number of people which have already posted here which have said that she was condemned due to simply being a pheasant girl instead of being a ‘top’ holy man, but I believe there was a number of different factors which led to Joan being executed.

Primarily I think it was to due the English capturing her, putting her on a charade of a public trail and then executing her for ‘witchcraft’ after all remember the religious madness that was happening all over Europe at that time with the ‘inquision, although from what I understand the decision for her death was made long before any trail was set up, as she was the main factor of the French defeating the English in a number of crucial battles over a span of 3-4 mths, she was then betrayed and captured by the English but was not rescued by her countrymen.

There is of course, much more to this story and a full report including hr trial can be found at this website……………http://www.stjoan-center.com/Trials/intro.html

As for the piece of bone and skin being her’s?? Of course there is the possibility but wasn;t her body burnt to ashes plus as it’s been over 700 centuries, the DNA would have decayed long ago. I don’t think there is any way to determine if he bones are Joan’s for certain.



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At the time the church had the power, they controlled governments and church leaders were more political than they were religious. To them she was a heretic, or had to be presented as one because she endangered the status quo. The English and French both conspired for their own reasons. To the English she was a threat, to the French she made a great martyr and her prince did nothing to protect her despite what she had done for him and for France.



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At the time the church had the power, they controlled governments and church leaders were more political than they were religious. To them she was a heretic, or had to be presented as one because she endangered the status quo. The English and French both conspired for their own reasons. To the English she was a threat, to the French she made a great martyr and her prince did nothing to protect her despite what she had done for him and for France.



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Of course, her seeing visions would not have helped her cause either in the end as they most proberly thought she was 'possessed by 'the devil' pretending to be an angel.

P.S In my last post i meant 700 yrs NOT 700 centuries, Lol



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TwistedWhispers you are correct. It was the visions and the voices they used to condemn her. And she believed strongly enough in them that she refused to recant. That was used against her as well.



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I just knew that she wasn't a witch. Didn't know much beyond that til I read this thread.



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haha yes I agree, she did well for womens rights!



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i have found this artical about the real story of joan of arc i hope you like it i know i did.

St. Joan of Arc
In French Jeanne d'Arc; by her contemporaries commonly known as la Pucelle (the Maid).

Born at Domremy in Champagne, probably on 6 January, 1412; died at Rouen, 30 May, 1431. The village of Domremy lay upon the confines of territory which recognized the suzerainty of the Duke of Burgundy, but in the protracted conflict between the Armagnacs (the party of Charles VII, King of France), on the one hand, and the Burgundians in alliance with the English, on the other, Domremy had always remained loyal to Charles.

Jacques d'Arc, Joan's father, was a small peasant farmer, poor but not needy. Joan seems to have been the youngest of a family of five. She never learned to read or write but was skilled in sewing and spinning, and the popular idea that she spent the days of her childhood in the pastures, alone with the sheep and cattle, is quite unfounded. All the witnesses in the process of rehabilitation spoke of her as a singularly pious child, grave beyond her years, who often knelt in the church absorbed in prayer, and loved the poor tenderly. Great attempts were made at Joan's trial to connect her with some superstitious practices supposed to have been performed round a certain tree, popularly known as the "Fairy Tree" (l'Arbre des Dames), but the sincerity of her answers baffled her judges. She had sung and danced there with the other children, and had woven wreaths for Our Lady's statue, but since she was twelve years old she had held aloof from such diversions.

It was at the age of thirteen and a half, in the summer of 1425, that Joan first became conscious of that manifestation, whose supernatural character it would now be rash to question, which she afterwards came to call her "voices" or her "counsel." It was at first simply a voice, as if someone had spoken quite close to her, but it seems also clear that a blaze of light accompanied it, and that later on she clearly discerned in some way the appearance of those who spoke to her, recognizing them individually as St. Michael (who was accompanied by other angels), St. Margaret, St. Catherine, and others. Joan was always reluctant to speak of her voices. She said nothing about them to her confessor, and constantly refused, at her trial, to be inveigled into descriptions of the appearance of the saints and to explain how she recognized them. None the less, she told her judges: "I saw them with these very eyes, as well as I see you."

Great efforts have been made by rationalistic historians, such as M. Anatole France, to explain these voices as the result of a condition of religious and hysterical exaltation which had been fostered in Joan by priestly influence, combined with certain prophecies current in the countryside of a maiden from the bois chesnu (oak wood), near which the Fairy Tree was situated, who was to save France by a miracle. But the baselessness of this analysis of the phenomena has been fully exposed by many non-Catholic writers. There is not a shadow of evidence to support this theory of priestly advisers coaching Joan in a part, but much which contradicts it. Moreover, unless we accuse the Maid of deliberate falsehood, which no one is prepared to do, it was the voices which created the state of patriotic exaltation, and not the exaltation which preceded the voices. Her evidence on these points is clear.

Although Joan never made any statement as to the date at which the voices revealed her mission, it seems certain that the call of God was only made known to her gradually. But by May, 1428, she no longer doubted that she was bidden to go to the help of the king, and the voices became insistent, urging her to present herself to Robert Baudricourt, who commanded for Charles VII in the neighbouring town of Vaucouleurs. This journey she eventually accomplished a month later, but Baudricourt, a rude and dissolute soldier, treated her and her mission with scant respect, saying to the cousin who accompanied her: "Take her home to her father and give her a good whipping."

Meanwhile the military situation of King Charles and his supporters was growing more desperate. Orléans was invested (12 October, 1428), and by the close of the year complete defeat seemed imminent. Joan's voices became urgent, and even threatening. It was in vain that she resisted, saying to them: "I am a poor girl; I do not know how to ride or fight." The voices only reiterated: "It is God who commands it." Yielding at last, she left Domremy in January, 1429, and again visited Vaucouleurs.

Baudricourt was still skeptical, but, as she stayed on in the town, her persistence gradually made an impression on him. On 17 February she announced a great defeat which had befallen the French arms outside Orléans (the Battle of the Herrings). As this statement was officially confirmed a few days later, her cause gained ground. Finally she was suffered to seek the king at Chinon, and she made her way there with a slender escort of three men-at-arms, she being attired, at her own request, in male costume -- undoubtedly as a protection to her modesty in the rough life of the camp. She always slept fully dressed, and all those who were intimate with her declared that there was something about her which repressed every unseemly thought in her regard.

She reached Chinon on 6 March, and two days later was admitted into the presence of Charles VII. To test her, the king had disguised himself, but she at once saluted him without hesitation amidst a group of attendants. From the beginning a strong party at the court -- La Trémoille, the royal favourite, foremost among them -- opposed her as a crazy visionary, but a secret sign, communicated to her by her voices, which she made known to Charles, led the king, somewhat half-heartedly, to believe in her mission. What this sign was, Joan never revealed, but it is now most commonly believed that this "secret of the king" was a doubt Charles had conceived of the legitimacy of his birth, and which Joan had been supernaturally authorized to set at rest.

Still, before Joan could be employed in military operations she was sent to Poitiers to be examined by a numerous committee of learned bishops and doctors. The examination was of the most searching and formal character. It is regrettable in the extreme that the minutes of the proceedings, to which Joan frequently appealed later on at her trial, have altogether perished. All that we know is that her ardent faith, simplicity, and honesty made a favourable impression. The theologians found nothing heretical in her claims to supernatural guidance, and, without pronouncing upon the reality of her mission, they thought that she might be safely employed and further tested.

Returning to Chinon, Joan made her preparations for the campaign. Instead of the sword the king offered her, she begged that search might be made for an ancient sword buried, as she averred, behind the altar in the chapel of Ste-Catherine-de-Fierbois. It was found in the very spot her voices indicated. There was made for her at the same time a standard bearing the words Jesus, Maria, with a picture of God the Father, and kneeling angels presenting a fleur-de-lis.

But perhaps the most interesting fact connected with this early stage of her mission is a letter of one Sire de Rotslaer written from Lyons on 22 April, 1429, which was delivered at Brussels and duly registered, as the manuscript to this day attests, before any of the events referred to received their fulfilment. The Maid, he reports, said "that she would save Orléans and would compel the English to raise the siege, that she herself in a battle before Orléans would be wounded by a shaft but would not die of it, and that the King, in the course of the coming summer, would be crowned at Reims, together with other things which the King keeps secret."

Before entering upon her campaign, Joan summoned the King of England to withdraw his troops from French soil. The English commanders were furious at the audacity of the demand, but Joan by a rapid movement entered Orléans on 30 April. Her presence there at once worked wonders. By 8 May the English forts which encircled the city had all been captured, and the siege raised, though on the 7th Joan was wounded in the breast by an arrow. So far as the Maid went she wished to follow up these successes with all speed, partly from a sound warlike instinct, partly because her voices had already told her that she had only a year to last. But the king and his advisers, especially La Trémoille and the Archbishop of Reims, were slow to move. However, at Joan's earnest entreaty a short campaign was begun upon the Loire, which, after a series of successes, ended on 18 June with a great victory at Patay, where the English reinforcements sent from Paris under Sir John Fastolf were completely routed. The way to Reims was now practically open, but the Maid had the greatest difficulty in persuading the commanders not to retire before Troyes, which was at first closed against them. They captured the town and then, still reluctantly, followed her to Reims, where, on Sunday, 17 July, 1429, Charles VII was solemnly crowned, the Maid standing by with her standard, for -- as she explained -- "as it had shared in the toil, it was just that it should share in the victory."

The principal aim of Joan's mission was thus attained, and some authorities assert that it was now her wish to return home, but that she was detained with the army against her will. The evidence is to some extent conflicting, and it is probable that Joan herself did not always speak in the same tone. Probably she saw clearly how much might have been done to bring about the speedy expulsion of the English from French soil, but on the other hand she was constantly oppressed by the apathy of the king and his advisers, and by the suicidal policy which snatched at every diplomatic bait thrown out by the Duke of Burgundy.

An abortive attempt on Paris was made at the end of August. Though St-Denis was occupied without opposition, the assault which was made on the city on 8 September was not seriously supported, and Joan, while heroically cheering on her men to fill the moat, was shot through the thigh with a bolt from a crossbow. The Duc d'Alençon removed her almost by force, and the assault was abandoned. The reverse unquestionably impaired Joan's prestige, and shortly afterwards, when, through Charles' political counsellors, a truce was signed with the Duke of Burgundy, she sadly laid down her arms upon the altar of St-Denis.

The inactivity of the following winter, mostly spent amid the worldliness and the jealousy of the Court, must have been a miserable experience for Joan. It may have been with the idea of consoling her that Charles, on 29 December, 1429, ennobled the Maid and all her family, who henceforward, from the lilies on their coat of arms, were known by the name of Du Lis. It was April before Joan was able to take the field again at the conclusion of the truce, and at Melun her voices made known to her that she would be taken prisoner before Midsummer Day. Neither was the fulfilment of this prediction long delayed. It seems that she had thrown herself into Compiègne on 24 May at sunrise to defend the town against Burgundian attack. In the evening she resolved to attempt a sortie, but her little troop of some five hundred encountered a much superior force. Her followers were driven back and retired desperately fighting. By some mistake or panic of Guillaume de Flavy, who commanded in Compiègne, the drawbridge was raised while still many of those who had made the sortie remained outside, Joan amongst the number. She was pulled down from her horse and became the prisoner of a follower of John of Luxemburg. Guillaume de Flavy has been accused of deliberate treachery, but there seems no adequate reason to suppose this. He continued to hold Compiègne resolutely for his king, while Joan's constant thought during the early months of her captivity was to escape and come to assist him in this task of defending the town.

No words can adequately describe the disgraceful ingratitude and apathy of Charles and his advisers in leaving the Maid to her fate. If military force had not availed, they had prisoners like the Earl of Suffolk in their hands, for whom she could have been exchanged. Joan was sold by John of Luxembourg to the English for a sum which would amount to several hundred thousand dollars in modern money. There can be no doubt that the English, partly because they feared their prisoner with a superstitious terror, partly because they were ashamed of the dread which she inspired, were determined at all costs to take her life. They could not put her to death for having beaten them, but they could get her sentenced as a witch and a heretic.

Moreover, they had a tool ready to their hand in Pierre Cauchon, the Bishop of Beauvais, an unscrupulous and ambitious man who was the creature of the Burgundian party. A pretext for invoking his authority was found in the fact that Compiègne, where Joan was captured, lay in the Diocese of Beauvais. Still, as Beauvais was in the hands of the French, the trial took place at Rouen -- the latter see being at that time vacant. This raised many points of technical legality which were summarily settled by the parties interested.

The Vicar of the Inquisition at first, upon some scruple of jurisdiction, refused to attend, but this difficulty was overcome before the trial ended. Throughout the trial Cauchon's assessors consisted almost entirely of Frenchmen, for the most part theologians and doctors of the University of Paris. Preliminary meetings of the court took place in January, but it was only on 21 February, 1431, that Joan appeared for the first time before her judges. She was not allowed an advocate, and, though accused in an ecclesiastical court, she was throughout illegally confined in the Castle of Rouen, a secular prison, where she was guarded by dissolute English soldiers. Joan bitterly complained of this. She asked to be in the church prison, where she would have had female attendants. It was undoubtedly for the better protection of her modesty under such conditions that she persisted in retaining her male attire. Before she had been handed over to the English, she had attempted to escape by desperately throwing herself from the window of the tower of Beaurevoir, an act of seeming presumption for which she was much browbeaten by her judges. This also served as a pretext for the harshness shown regarding her confinement at Rouen, where she was at first kept in an iron cage, chained by the neck, hands, and feet. On the other hand she was allowed no spiritual privileges -- e.g. attendance at Mass -- on account of the charge of heresy and the monstrous dress (difformitate habitus) she was wearing.

As regards the official record of the trial, which, so far as the Latin version goes, seems to be preserved entire, we may probably trust its accuracy in all that relates to the questions asked and the answers returned by the prisoner. These answers are in every way favourable to Joan. Her simplicity, piety, and good sense appear at every turn, despite the attempts of the judges to confuse her. They pressed her regarding her visions, but upon many points she refused to answer. Her attitude was always fearless, and, upon 1 March, Joan boldly announced that "within seven years' space the English would have to forfeit a bigger prize than Orléans." In point of fact Paris was lost to Henry VI on 12 November, 1437 -- six years and eight months afterwards. It was probably because the Maid's answers perceptibly won sympathizers for her in a large assembly that Cauchon decided to conduct the rest of the inquiry before a small committee of judges in the prison itself. We may remark that the only matter in which any charge of prevarication can be reasonably urged against Joan's replies occurs especially in this stage of the inquiry. Joan, pressed about the secret sign given to the king, declared that an angel brought him a golden crown, but on further questioning she seems to have grown confused and to have contradicted herself. Most authorities (like, e.g., M. Petit de Julleville and Mr. Andrew Lang) are agreed that she was trying to guard the king's secret behind an allegory, she herself being the angel; but others -- for instance P. Ayroles and Canon Dunand -- insinuate that the accuracy of the procès-verbal cannot be trusted. On another point she was prejudiced by her lack of education. The judges asked her to submit herself to "the Church Militant." Joan clearly did not understand the phrase and, though willing and anxious to appeal to the pope, grew puzzled and confused. It was asserted later that Joan's reluctance to pledge herself to a simple acceptance of the Church's decisions was due to some insidious advice treacherously imparted to her to work her ruin. But the accounts of this alleged perfidy are contradictory and improbable.

The examinations terminated on 17 March. Seventy propositions were then drawn up, forming a very disorderly and unfair presentment of Joan's "crimes," but, after she had been permitted to hear and reply to these, another set of twelve were drafted, better arranged and less extravagantly worded. With this summary of her misdeeds before them, a large majority of the twenty-two judges who took part in the deliberations declared Joan's visions and voices to be "false and diabolical," and they decided that if she refused to retract she was to be handed over to the secular arm -- which was the same as saying that she was to be burned. Certain formal admonitions, at first private, and then public, were administered to the poor victim (18 April and 2 May), but she refused to make any submission which the judges could have considered satisfactory. On 9 May she was threatened with torture, but she still held firm. Meanwhile, the twelve propositions were submitted to the University of Paris, which, being extravagantly English in sympathy, denounced the Maid in violent terms. Strong in this approval, the judges, forty-seven in number, held a final deliberation, and forty-two reaffirmed that Joan ought to be declared heretical and handed over to the civil power, if she still refused to retract. Another admonition followed in the prison on 22 May, but Joan remained unshaken. The next day a stake was erected in the cemetery of St-Ouen, and in the presence of a great crowd she was solemnly admonished for the last time. After a courageous protest against the preacher's insulting reflections on her king, Charles VII, the accessories of the scene seem at last to have worked upon mind and body worn out by so many struggles. Her courage for once failed her. She consented to sign some sort of retraction, but what the precise terms of that retraction were will never be known. In the official record of the process a form of retraction is in inserted which is most humiliating in every particular. It is a long document which would have taken half an hour to read. What was read aloud to Joan and was signed by her must have been something quite different, for five witnesses at the rehabilitation trial, including Jean Massieu, the official who had himself read it aloud, declared that it was only a matter of a few lines. Even so, the poor victim did not sign unconditionally, but plainly declared that she only retracted in so far as it was God's will. However, in virtue of this concession, Joan was not then burned, but conducted back to prison.

The English and Burgundians were furious, but Cauchon, it seems, placated them by saying, "We shall have her yet." Undoubtedly her position would now, in case of a relapse, be worse than before, for no second retractation could save her from the flames. Moreover, as one of the points upon which she had been condemned was the wearing of male apparel, a resumption of that attire would alone constitute a relapse into heresy, and this within a few days happened, owing, it was afterwards alleged, to a trap deliberately laid by her jailers with the connivance of Cauchon. Joan, either to defend her modesty from outrage, or because her women's garments were taken from her, or, perhaps, simply because she was weary of the struggle and was convinced that her enemies were determined to have her blood upon some pretext, once more put on the man's dress which had been purposely left in her way. The end now came soon. On 29 May a court of thirty-seven judges decided unanimously that the Maid must be treated as a relapsed heretic, and this sentence was actually carried out the next day (30 May, 1431) amid circumstances of intense pathos. She is said, when the judges visited her early in the morning, first to have charged Cauchon with the responsibility of her death, solemnly appealing from him to God, and afterwards to have declared that "her voices had deceived her." About this last speech a doubt must always be felt. We cannot be sure whether such words were ever used, and, even if they were, the meaning is not plain. She was, however, allowed to make her confession and to receive Communion. Her demeanour at the stake was such as to move even her bitter enemies to tears. She asked for a cross, which, after she had embraced it, was held up before her while she called continuously upon the name of Jesus. "Until the last," said Manchon, the recorder at the trial, "she declared that her voices came from God and had not deceived her." After death her ashes were thrown into the Seine.

Twenty-four years later a revision of her trial, the procès de réhabilitation, was opened at Paris with the consent of the Holy See. The popular feeling was then very different, and, with but the rarest exceptions, all the witnesses were eager to render their tribute to the virtues and supernatural gifts of the Maid. The first trial had been conducted without reference to the pope; indeed it was carried out in defiance of St. Joan's appeal to the head of the Church. Now an appellate court constituted by the pope, after long inquiry and examination of witnesses, reversed and annulled the sentence pronounced by a local tribunal under Cauchon's presidency. The illegality of the former proceedings was made clear, and it speaks well for the sincerity of this new inquiry that it could not be made without inflicting some degree of reproach upon both the King of France and the Church at large, seeing that so great an injustice had been done and had so long been suffered to continue unredressed. Even before the rehabilitation trial, keen observers, like Eneas Sylvius Piccolomini (afterwards Pope Pius II), though still in doubt as to her mission, had discerned something of the heavenly character of the Maid. In Shakespeare's day she was still regarded in England as a witch in league with the fiends of hell, but a juster estimate had begun to prevail even in the pages of Speed's "History of Great Britaine" (1611). By the beginning of the nineteenth century the sympathy for her even in England was general. Such writers as Southey, Hallam, Sharon Turner, Carlyle, Landor, and, above all, De Quincey greeted the Maid with a tribute of respect which was not surpassed even in her own native land. Among her Catholic fellow-countrymen she had been regarded, even in her lifetime, as Divinely inspired.

At last the cause of her beatification was introduced upon occasion of an appeal addressed to the Holy See, in 1869, by Mgr Dupanloup, Bishop of Orléans, and, after passing through all its stages and being duly confirmed by the necessary miracles, the process ended in the decree being published by Pius X on 11 April, 1909. A Mass and Office of St. Joan, taken from the "Commune Virginum," with "proper" prayers, have been approved by the Holy See for use in the Diocese of Orléans.

[Note: St. Joan was canonized in 1920 by Pope Benedict XV.]

Publication information
Written by Herbert Thurston. Transcribed by Mark Dittman. Dedicated to my wife Joan, who looks to St. Joan of Arc as her heavenly patroness.
The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume VIII. Published 1910. New York: Robert Appleton Company. Nihil Obstat, October 1, 1910. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York



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I think there was no crime of witch craft and that the execution style was used as a message to the masses to keep them in line.



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in my mind she was a bit nuts but that is just me. in fact i think she was somone with very stong convictions that she held onto even though it lead to her death and that has my respect



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She said she heard past saints speak to her.

But she did the impossible just like the profecy foretold. She beat the English and the Burgish http://answers.yahoo.com/question/



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Great article, theunknown.



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amazing read



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