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I'm sure every one has made the remark ''how do you know a possible zombie out break will happen ''

on the computer today i ran across a article today posted on 3 different web sights this being recent. the article and news clip i will post has to do with a man being eaten alive in the face by a man who was taking lsd. now could new drugs coming out cause a things like 28 days later, or would this be a thing to look at in the news as something to watch out for ?



http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21007585058418/new-details-emerge-in-causeway-police-involved-shooting/

Lets hope they dont put LSD in the water!

Crazy stuff. There was some article I saw that said their could be a potential for mindless activity in people in the U.S. due to all the artifical stuff we eat. I don't know what that would have to do with anything...

Drugs are some dangerous things.

The only way an "apocalypse" could happen would be if each individual, and millions at that, were given a type of drug.

It could be placed in the drinking water, food supply, air etc.

Unfortunately for the "end of mankind" drugs don't last forever and after a few days everyone would stop acting crazy except for the few the drug totally screwed.

It wouldn't be transmittable and to find a drug that would compel others to eat living (or even dead) human flesh is incredibly hard.

This is just one instance of an idiot doing drugs, not a harbinger to a zombie nightmare.

yeaa ireally dont see it happening either. though i have heard alot of other be like ohh no when it happends lets all meet at gander mountain!

I'm thinking the guy was probably watching the Walking Dead, took some kind of drug and then went out acting like a moron biting at people. Who knows. lol

It is funny I run across this now, I was just talking about this with my neighbors. Homeless naked people cannabilizating living beings and living thought the bullets the cops put in him. I think that would be a sign, but he could have just been hyped up on drugs.

Drugs may not last forever Xzavier, but the damage done by them can.
I would look forward to such an event, utter chaos it will be and with everyone concerned with stopping the "zombies" it leaves little law enforcement around to do anything, of course it depends on how many are affected compered those who are not.

Actually, Oceanne... someone put LSD in the water in Portland, Oregon back in the early 90's as a joke at the sewage plant in Mikwaukie, Oregon. Nothing serious happened so I doubt the cause of the facial mutilation was due to LSD.

Indeed but drugs and even alcohol can cause people to do stupid things that cause harm to themselves, i myself like to punch solid brick walls when i get too drunk. Also it depends on the state of mind of the person before they took drugs etc, as they could have a history of mental illness or rage problems, of course this is just some people, drugs will not cause everyone to act the same.

Rabies would be a good example of zombie-like behavior since it causes the host to become more aggressive.

i think is the gov. and or scientists might create a better drug with those side effects or maybe even worse. i think it could definately happen, maybe not anytime in the near future but maybe eventually over time.

Really? Scientists are going to create and then unleash some horrible zombie drug or virus to destroy mankind?

That's basically what some of you are saying. You must really have a dim view of the educated class and a poor understanding of what scientists actually do and the motivations behind it.

Could a drug be created to cause people to act mad? Sure. Would it be spread to the population? No. There is zero reason or benefit to doing something like that.

This worthless pile of life in Miami got high off bath salts, something that has no regulation and that anyone could make with no idea as to the consequences of using it as a drug. And then he went nuts and destroyed the life of an innocent man. END OF STORY.

No drug affects everyone the same and so damage may or may not be done and the damage done may or may not be permanent.

You need to sit and think for a moment about how incredibly complex of a task it would be to create a drug for the sole purpose of causing people to act like zombies and for that damage to be lasting without repeated dosage. There's no incentive and believe it or not 99.9999% of scientists are ethical, caring people who would rather themselves be turned into a zombie than allow others to be. And to the 0.00001% who aren't, they also are not doing this. There is no disease or drug that needs research or cure that could lead someone to purposefully or accidentally develop such a thing. It's far easier to spread smallpox and kill a billion people than some idiotic zombie virus or drug.

Well no sane or ethical scientist would do something like that but biological warfare has been done before and banned....i think.

I guess if one wants to know what could cause a population to become mindless aggressive "zombies" one should start with diseases that affects the mind and how it could mutate into something worse.

~Xzavier~, you and I both know well enough that society will always interpret social activities based on the government as conspiracy theory because of what they have read or seen media outlet wise.

Biological warfare has been used throughout history.The Government has donned it banned but the Government is not to be trusted. I personally do not believe this incident is biological warfare. I believe this, at this moment, is an isolated incident. The 'person" in question who is "eating" someone's face is obviously showing evidence of Anti-Social Personality disorder. There is another thread which I explained the issues at hand.

I would also like to mention that this thread is mere speculation and no answer is correct at this moment, although there are some who think they can explain it all...

This is disgusting. I can't believe people think this is acceptable. There was a new cannibal report in Boston today. I think the Zombies are waking in the US right now, really.

I admit, there are some really wacky stories coming out right now (e.g. the guy throwing his own intestines at the police?!? http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/05/31/zombie-alert-man-throws-his-own-intestines-at-police/) but this is akin to the 'media frenzy' that follows any sort of strange series of events. It'll blow over when we get distracted by some other ridiculous news story.

Ouch, its getting tough out in the world! What will come next?

This is what I have mentioned before, Xzav, the Darkness, you are closing down again...Grrr...

I too believe it is unlikely experiments led to this event, there are loads of more plausible explanations, LSD mental health , bath salts etc.

Now is the time to remins you Hilary clinton has just apologised to Mexico for deliberatley infecting Mexican expendables with siphilus and various other STD's.
Why? they could be mutated and used as a biological weapon.

I am not prepared to debate this event, it is fact. Amazingly this happened in the 50's, you know , when John Wayne and Clint Eastwood were "being the good guys, gathering hearts and minds"

I often wonder if they really knew what the masters were up to? I guess it was for the greater good, funny how they always say that, I wonder how often our leaders say...mmm, now hang on....not very often ;)

I know all about legal and illegal tests done to many groups including the general population.

Making biological weapons, while illegal, isn't in question. Nor is the history behind CIA experiments etc.

The question is that of widespread "zombie" type viruses or drugs and it just ain't happening.

You need not remind me of anything, as you've reminded me in private, I'm the one with the formal education and professional experience.

Oh, and it wasn't Mexico.

It was Guatemala and the events occurred over 60 years ago during a time when many such tests were being preformed world-wide. Few of which have any bearing on today's research into cures and even less into weapons. And the tests being done in this case had little to do with biological weapons but CURES.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/02/health/research/02infect.html

Not a zombie just a cracked out idiot.

I remember that SS..

I feel its a pretty isolated incident,but it just goes to show what crapp like bath salts and Draino can do to us.But it doesnt take a genius to know that toxins will F you up!!And not in a good way,either.

yeah, i see it more as a bio warfare thing...creating a virus that kills higher brain function and programs us to attack each other.
its possible.
~W~

What I fail to connect is a correlation with LSD, other drugs, or a mental disorder that would explain the motives of the one who attacked.

Victorya

The answer is most likely simple as just a nutcase, there many people who kill and eat people, it does not make them zombies, In fact; there were tribes who believe eating their enemies gave them their enemies' knowledge and strength.

Xzav, I repsect your qualifications, I just question your wisdom.
My education is that of the school of life and yes I think it has just as much vakue if not more than that gleaned from the thoughts of others.
The truth is governments are always breaking the rules and they continue to do so. In the 80's Thatcher wanted to break the Unions and you may remember the riots at Wapping or the Miners strikes. The powers that be had the military dress up as civilians, as paid thugs and intelligence gatherers.
As I said I doubt they were involved but who knows?

You can question my wisdom all you want but if you, or anyone else, thinks the government is creating or may create some kind of zombie virus/drug for the general population you've been spending far too much time watching TV and far too little with your head in reality.

I think I've said all I can in this thread.

Yep, even IF the government were creating something like that then they would be smart enough to know proper containment procedures, also why would they create something that can easily get out of hand and cause so much chaos that their rule will end? simple,they won't.

Humans goings nuts is not a rare thing you know, so the face eater and the intestine thrower could just be puppets who had one too many bad days.

It truly is hilarious and sad how this went from concern for the victim and mental illness on top of drug abuse; to wild speculation about governmental conspiracy with the aim to turn us all into wild eyed face eaters and intestine throwers.

Better watch your ears, Mike Tyson is still on the loose!

The tube in London was a testing ground for all sorts of things, it showed how far bugs could travel and so on. Also in the 80's women campaigners at Greenham Common, against nuclear weapons were bombarded with electrical signals to get rid of them. Anything is posible...

Then let us get back on topic then, no more government speculation.

Well as some above have said, some people just lose it and attack others...and streak apparently.

the artical interesting but i highly doubt a zombie outbreak will be occuring anytime soon

LSD is the one drug most of my friends use to take. I have seent them do some stupid things. Like talk to trees and try and walk on the side of buildings.
And these guys were the brainy ones of the bunch.
That is when I decided to find other people to talk too.

I'd just like to point out that it's now two weeks later and just as I expected, are we still hearing anything about strange people going nuts and eating other people? Nope. Now everyone is stressed out that Mark-Paul Gosselaar thinks Saved by the Bell was hokey.

This was one person, and it was due to a drug..I don't believe that's a sign anything will happen. Drugs make people hallucinate..I know, I've been there. If in their right minds I doubt this would happen. I know there's some crazy people out there, but that's a very small percentage.

Well i have heard of four incidents and a drug called cloud or something.

You have to put all of this zombie stuff into the proper perspective.

Is this really the dead coming back to eat the living in an end of the world apocalypse??

or...

Are people simply experiencing Walking Dead withdrawal because we are between season 2 and 3??

Lets face it folks, it's the withdrawal. lol

There have been more then 3 cases alone in the past month of people eating other people. All have been blamed on the new Bath salt drug.

What exactly is the bath salt? I have heard it mentioned before a couple of weeks ago? Thank you.

It's like a synthetic cocaine that was sold legally for awhile at quick stops.

It would be cool but I think that perhaps Severus is right lol. I am so looking forward to the next season.

Many bizzar cases are coming up due to "Bath Salts" a man killed a families pet goat under the influence of Bath Salts, that was the first case I heard of, the syntyhetic compound mimics the effects of Meth, and races the person into a high, the addiction is immidiate to, I have heard of people losing a whole week to the use of bath salts. The real message here is Stay the Fuc# Away from this substance.

Dab is right, this isn't some contagion. We aren't taking about 28 days or some other form of genetically engineered bug set loose on society. Like a bad acid trip, this is simply the effects of a drug.

a drug which if avoided has zero impact on it's own.

still i think given the right circumstances it could happen. idk thats just my opinion.

I've seen some scary things that the military has hatched up like chemical warfare-Blood agents or nerve agents. And Atropene which Hollywood(The Rock) would have you think is a cure is complete bullshit. There is no cure all atropene does is keep a soldier alive a little longer to fight.
Moving on to the idea of LSD. I dont think its much of a leap to isolate aggression triggering chemicals in the brain and then adding hallucinations to make a zombie apocolypse a reality.

outofsync,

I agree it's not a scientific stretch by any means... But at the end of the day it's still a drug and drugs have a measurable level of time before the body filters it out. The drug will wear off and without that, the persons violent behavior will diminish. Not to mention a massive delivery system for the drug would be needed on a world wide scale.

Without that system the idea of a rage drug constitutes more of a localized riot than an apocalypse.

Bath Salts are the primary suspect in this sudden, unprovoked violent act as has been reported in several instances in the media the last few weeks.

http://www.drugfree.org/drug-guide/bath-salts

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugs_concern/mdpv.pdf

As with any drug, illegal or not, prescription or over the counter, it is typically seen in my experience of dealing with users in the medical field, those that delve into taking any substance, Do Not Read or Educate themselves on the Side Effects.

I'm not sure what is worse really, ignorant people who take illicit drugs to get high and poison their brain and body or those who do not seek out proper medical treatment for true systemic diseases because they don't trust doctors...o.o...but yet, a patient with high blood pressure will insist they don't Have to take medicine to control their blood pressure but will drink 2 six packs of Bud a day and then wonder why they had a Stroke and can't see or talk now.

Bath Salts should stay in the Bath, not up your nose.

It's fair to say that once news of this hit the zombie fan in quite a few of us ram rampant, but those who assumed that this was a sign of the apocalypse or a zombie outbreak are reading too much into that sort of thing. Chemicals in any capacity, whether it be in the household detergents we use, what we use as pesticides for our produce or even what we drink...or the drugs we abuse can have any number of side effects, some of course have not been planned for.

if the zombies come, screw gander mountain. lets meet at my house.
only show up tho if you are one of "mine" or can contribute, food or ammo.
:c)
~W~

The autopsy showed no signs of bath salts in the guys system only pot.

MarGwana to be exact and MarGwana doesnt give you that bad of the munchies.

Although tragedies such as this DO occur, they are extremely rare.

A lot of these stories of people going around and doing awful things like this aren't new. We're only just hearing about them now because there hasn't really been as much interest in it.
Remember when all those birds and stuff kept falling from the sky and people decided it was a sign of the end of the world? Turns out that wasn't new either. One major news outlet covered the fact that it was happening and then BOOM! lots of other people started reporting it - not because it hadn't been happening in the past, but because once people realized it was happening all over the place they started looking for these events to support the thought that the world was ending.
It's the same thing with the bath salts zombie guy in New Orleans. There have been plenty of demented people in the past doing things like this for seemingly no reason, but it wasn't of national interest before. That's the only difference between then and now.
There's no saying with certainty that some other hygiene product will come out that hadn't been tested at the lab for what effect it would have on the human mind when smoked that will end up doing something similar to this, but if anything the message here is "people are stupid. be afraid."

It's possible that there could be some zombie-like effects on the human mind due to the symptoms of a withdrawal, but it still wouldn't be long lasting. The only form of withdrawal that is long-lasting that typically happens to everyone who experiences it is attempting to become physically fit after becoming obese. At least, that's the only one i've ever heard of and technically it doesn't count.

There was a parasite (Toxoplasma gondii) that infected the brains of rats and caused them to go get eaten by other predators so that the parasite could live in the predators intestines, but that same parasite lives in appx 50% of humans if i understand correctly.

There really isn't any legitimate threat of a zombie outbreak, and if there was they wouldn't survive very long due to rednecks with guns and all the other things decomposing bodies live (Ha! live...) in fear of.

i agree.the entire living dead thing is very improbable.the heart would have to beat to get o2 to the brain,and that would have to function enough to send out messages to the nerves for it to even move.so a buch of canibbles would be more realistic

Cannibals are more realistic, and I don't believe zombies would show up yet.

I'm sure the points I'm about to make have already been broached, but uh...there's a massive difference between a living person commiting an act of cannibalism, and a zombie eating a human. What's that difference? Well, generally a zombie is dead. In this case, this human wasn't 'dead' until well...the police killed him. I believe he was just on drugs, and had a massive freak out. I don't believe a zombie apocalypse will occur due to some zombie state inducing drug considering not everyone would take the drug recreationally, and I believe it'd be extremely difficult to introduce the drug to an entire population of people. And if that were to happen in one country, I don't see it happening in all the others at the same time or whatever, so humans would still be around, and the world wouldn't end and all that. So yeah, no zombie apocalypses in the near future. (I hope haha).
People have been eating human flesh for a very long time. Murderers often consume bits and pieces of their victims. Why was this case sensationalized? Because the victim was eaten alive. It's different from what we're used to, and the fact that the man was alive...well, that just adds to the creep/disgust factor. I think it's heartwrenching for sure that this man was attacked in such a grizzly manner, but yeah, to repeat myself, not a zombie just a druggie, the attacker was alive, not a hunk of dead flesh roaming the streets.
Oh and if the argument is "Zombie as in, a zombie-esque state of mind, not actually zombie as in 'reanimated dead humans'" well, then, we'd have to find something else to call it besides zombie, because if it ain't dead, it's not a zombie.

Sorry but this is not like in a game. To make all "go zombie" would take a long period of time drugging people. And not all would react the same.

As long as i dont see them erupting from graveyards, I'll take the articles with a grain of salt!

Honestly, if there were to be an outbreak, it'd start in the military. Since they're owned by the government they can do whatever they want to them. Experimenting on the enlisted is actually pretty common. Where do you think they come up with the stats on the all the new drugs approved for the public? They can't use sick people as their guinea pigs all the time because then it wouldn't be an accurate assessment. And no healthy person is going to volunteer for something that could cause mental problems or kill them.

I think it's all silly, but who knows? Until an actual, crazy outbreak occurs we're just left to wonder.

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Zombie outbreak...hmmm...

It would take a vast amount of time, money, and covert machinations, with a ton of tetrododoxin and scopolamine, to make a zombie army, and even then, they wouldn't be eating anyone.

In many ways hasn't the majority of western civilisation already become a hoard of zombies?

We follow the same routines, consume the same products, watch TV etc.

Basically doing morre or less the same things on a daily basis.

people do crazy shit on drugs, we all know that, but by definition they were not half dead with their brains melting and what not and their bite would not turn u into one of them

Indeed Darkblue groupthink has also done much to increase the zombification of the masses.

Darkblue - you have a point there - lol (Well, it really isn't so funny when one thinks about it)...Anyway, I think it's more of a sheep mentality than being like zombies.

Nope, I just don't see it happening. Give the drug 48hours to flush out and then when everyone is sane again we'll arest some people, bury others, say 3 hail marys and see a preast in the morning!!!!!!!!!

However since Zombies are basically dead people. how would re-animation of the brain be possible?

All ya need to is one Doc Frankenstein

But what is a zombie, exactly?
In Haiti - where the whole zombie thing began, they were not dead...they were people who were under the influence of powerful drugs.
Those zombies were to be mainly used as slave labor.
They ate and drank, so they obviously weren't dead.
Some 'zombies' were put into comas, for whatever dastardly reasons...still, not quite dead.

If you want to see a zombie apocalypse, just head down to your local Wal Mart and you'll see all kinds of brain dead, flesh eating sacks of meat shuffling around.

Dazed - your answer was the flipside of what I was also thinking...and actually scarier.
Instead of saying 'brain, brain', the Walmart zombies say 'discount, discount'.

Well it would be dumb to call it a zombie outbreak since it would effect the living, not the dead if we want to look at the original term of what a Zombie is.

Humanity has always tampered with substances and as we know, sometimes the effects can be good or bad. Not everyone will have the same reaction as the next person. Not everyone gets the flu, or gets sick as easily. Maybe a tolerance of what starts it, is already built up in another that it doesn't effect them as much.

If you have idiots out in the world doing bath salts, or anything to get that "high", you're bound to open the door for something crazy to happen, so for those of you that don't say no to drugs, i encourage you to keep giving me a reason to up my weaponry collection. :)

If I'm wrong, sorry if I am. I think your referring to Bath salts?.. Because that had been all over the news about people eating one anothers faces, and also I think something occurred with a dog.

If I remember correctly about what y'all are speaking about than it did travel in the water. There was a clip made about it and yes it did take 30days to really take affect, but I do not believe that it was lsd or as someone called it Bath Salt. If it can be picked up off the beach and placed in someones pocket and have THAT catch on fire then I don't believe its drugs at all. This video explains why I don't think its drugs at all and in all honesty I do believe that possibly scientist and trying to discover a way to create a zombie because this thing they put in the water warms people up and gets their heart pumping even faster. I would think that possibly you could take that the wrong way and dig up a dead body and try this random stuff on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nr9CoGCwqU

I heard about this on the news. That man must have been addicted to that for years. Jos brain must really be in tragic shape.

OHHH yeah, let them come, we will be ready with our weapons. Remember, one bullet to the head, and the Zombie will go down. Just like a video game. Now, really, Zombie? Can happen, as the Humans keep trying so many drugs, soon or later, a big event will develop, which thanks to the Pharmaceutical gurus, will involve Zombie, Lychan and for sure: VAMPIRES!!!

For it to be a threat, it would have to be contagious and thus a virus. drugs usually only effect the person taking them.

And with suck outbreaks whom could you trust/ Mo-one at all, really. You'd have to be alone and heavily atmed, possibly even killing others you encounter along the way while foraging for supplies.

Why would Anyone make that kind of Drug?

lets hope it is drugs and not a zombie invasion

you ask why someone would make that drug? To play a god! that is man kinds reason for most of the achievements we have made.

hmm
could Bathsalts be a cause?
because I Trip on Lsd..
and i'm fine

i dont like bathsalts or salvia though..
let alone several nacradics

The last news on this incident was that the autopsy revealed no bathsalts, or drugs (except pot).

I'll be VERY honest here.

I used to be addicted to "Spice" or synthetic marijuana. It basically makes you trip your balls off. One time I bought a different brand than what I normally got, and I tripped so hard I TRULY believed I was a zombie. I felt my body decomposing, I had vomit in my throat, my jaw didn't feel attached, my teeth felt like they were falling out, and in my head I kept saying over and over, THIS IS SOME AWFUL GOVERNMENT EXPERIMENT THAT IF YOU SMOKE IT YOU BECOME A ZOMBIE HOLY SH*T HOLY SH*T.

Yeah, it was scary. The worst part is I actually went to jail smoking that stuff! It's NOT worth it, NO part of it is fun at all. It makes you introverted, paranoid, and basically turns you into a tripped out hermit.

I believe that it is that kind of crazy! I never touched that crap again after that specific experience.

He ate someone's face so he is undoubtedly and simply insane. The person he ate didn't turn into the walking dead. Luckily crazy isn't contagious. Although paranoia and fear can be in certain social situations.

The original definition of Zombie, was a person who sinned and is brought back to serve (or something like that)

Zombies were modernized as infectious creatures that were walking corpses and could turn you with a bite.

More recent zombie films simply have zombies as normal living humans but completely crazy and homicidal (28 days later).

So while these people going around are not zombies in the truest definition, they are similar to the crazies in the 28 days later film although there is no virus, just fools taking stuff they can't handle.

This recent news might not be so recent, this could be happening all the time in different parts of world due to drugs and its simply only now being put in the news and papers, which makes it seem like there is a rise in "zombie" attacks.

wow does that not sound some more like a vampire then a zombie you get bitten and change and are living but dead . but thing is i think its a not that people go nuts its just that the blood of a person or the brain of a person has energy in them and some how it can go to another person that way . but am not sure how it all works but as far as a viruse being passed on by a bite that could be all virsus number one aids . even tho it passes with blood on blood its not safe to just go around biteing people you dont know lol .

LSD can make people do bizarre things

I am the rocks on this.
I can see it happening but as a last resort for the ending of mankind at the hands of mankind.

Mankind deserves it, nature endowed mankind with intelligence and it was completely wasted on simplifying their lives and attempting to dominate the world. Pathetic.

I have to agree that mankind will do it to themselves, just as we always have. Deserving it? That's debatable, Because you can't group everyone into the same category and hope a war won't break out.

I also think that sometimes people forget about how powerful peer pressure really is. 6 people - 5 take the so called zombie drug, or whatever- the 6th person is going to want to as well.

well you give some one a drug tell them what it does even if it does nothing at all you still tell them it does and almost 88% of the time they come down with the symtims . its the power of the mind

That man should have been institutionalization long before this happened?

well thats a thought if you and 5 other people are locked in a room together and a note on the door said 3 out of the five were given a drug that would trun them zombe and in the bottle on the door was that same drug in a bottle would you take it or would you think na its only a bluff or what if they kill you for not taking it and set the people who took the drug go free just to see who would take the drug ? what would you do ?

First let me say "Ah, Only in Florida. that's why I hate this place so damn much."

On that note. I say that there is a possibility for a for a zombie out break. why you ask. Look up Zombie ants. there is a bactira that kills the ants and brings them back and yes it has been weaponized. What dose that mean for you boys and girls. That there might be a zombie out break if something should ever happen to the CDC.

yes well only if there is war or money in it . else why would someone want to do it...

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