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I'm looking for the opinion of the VR community on the topic of public execution, do you think it would work to help reduce crime, or would you think it would be cheap entertainment with little success.

Think that they would be great entertaint for the blood thirsty masses.....
Would have to speed up death row process to keep regular executions going.

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well it would stop crime and be a cheap form of entertainment.

thats my opinion anyway

Actually I doubt it would do much to lower crime but it is the logical progression in reality tv.
Everyone would have their 15 minutes of fame atleast.

i agree, i think it would be a bit of both...

LoL oh Mslefaye, that's terrible! 15 mins of fame haha!

In my opinion, theres a fundemental flaw to this, and that is that people are not perfect. We cannot all get things right, and truly believing that every jury and every judge come to the correct conclusion simply isnt viable.

Can we justify killing an innocent person who was in the wrong palce at the wrong time?

Looking at British prisions, I do think that they are way too 'comfy.' However, I dont think that giving members of the law enforcement a 'right to kill' is really going to help anything.

There are already so many complaints of the police physically harming offenders, why take it one step further?

Oublic executions....

I like George Carlins view on it.

Crucifixion.
Crucifixtion, upside down, during half time of the Monday night football game.

How about beheadings.
Where the head falls into one of many numbered holes... housed in an arena run by the mafia...
Any and all bets collected by the house go to ballance the national budget.


Rock on, George.
Rock on.

a thread like this popped up a while ago.

as much as public execution would be a huge deterrant to crime, it wouldn't help too much. i'm sure our culture and general social aspects it would go insane if public execution was brought back in such extremes.

as i said a while ago. the only real way to bring crime down. is to put cameras EVERYWHERE and to get more police out there... neither are going to happen anytime soon

i agree with Mslefaye

*Public.....

PUBLIC executions....

damned demon....

"Looking at British prisions, I do think that they are way too 'comfy.'"

Some how I doubt you have spent much time as a resident Echo.

If the objective is to lower crime I would suggest just the opposite of public exexutions.

One hearing 3 judges and 10 jurors, perferably chosen of those wronged.
Guilty go out back and head is blown off, Organs sold to transplant bank, body cremated and desposed of in mass.
Bill for trial and execution to be paid for by whatever estate is left for trial, execution, and harvesting.

No publicity at all. No body to recover and to take it another step erase all electronic history on the person. Wiped off face of the earth.

Rehabilitation done over and person no longer exists.

Public as I said I think would have the opposite effect as it is having here in the USA media gives people their time on TV so it keeps happening.....

No 15 minutes of fame, no fan fair, no books from jail, no media hype for 6 months on tv. Just gone over done pain sent to realitives.

It may not slow crime down but it would be fun to watch.

No lefaye, I haven't spent any time as a resident.... but unlike yourself Im from the UK, I think I know slightly more about whats going on in this country. When theres so much informationa around, why keep my eyes closed, and refuse to form opinions?

funny you should post this. in my sexuality class we're for some reason watching a movie about executions. great first day starter huh?

what first comes on is someone having their head cut off. not a pretty sight, very graphical and sickening. my opinion is that thank god they were banished back in the day, i dont think i could take someone being murdered or executed infront of my own eyes.

damn demon....khayman, slap him around a lil bit LOL

Would in my opinion be more humane to shoot someone in the head then to lock them in a cage.

A cage for a sentient is about the worst imaginable crime masked as mercy.

While I have not spent time in a UK prison yet it is still a cage even if it is leather chairs and lobster for dinner. A pretty cage is still a cage.

As for public executions I do believe that in the states that still use it crime rates are well below that of the civilized world.
A hand for theft the first time.
A beheading second or any more meaningful crime.

Trouble is those with the money never will see the justice that provides.

It seems to me that there was less crime when public executions were in practice and that the crime rate has only went up since they have been gone, could be a coincidence, but I think not

I htink that beneath your sarcasm, you still undersytand my point. A cage may be a cage... but a cage with an eventual way out.

I dont agree with prisons or executions entirely... but we need something to keep criminals to re-habiltate and stop them re-offending.

Killing someone who does somehting wrong is giving out the impression that one action means that life is worthless. No ta good message to give out to the next generation, or my own.

However, keeping people locked up for a lfietime isnt an option either, as obviously they will die in prison.

As with most debates, its finding a middle ground.... what crimes should be punishable with death?wWhat about appeals? What if a person is innocent? How would we execute offenders? Do we really have the power to give others a 'liscence to kill'?

"As with most debates, its finding a middle ground.... what crimes should be punishable with death?wWhat about appeals? What if a person is innocent? How would we execute offenders? Do we really have the power to give others a 'liscence to kill'?"

I find that none are innocent other than perhaps the new born babe at breast.
Execution done immediately without remose as a person would destroy a cancer so should, I think, the human cancer be treated.

Why let it grow until the entire system is infected?
I would rather face execution then 20 years or even 5 years in jail. Better my soul free then dead inside with nothing to stop me doing everything again when they turn me out.....

Cheap entertainment with little effect. I didn't read all the posts so excuse me if someone has already said the following. Public execution would literally be entertainment. People still have that child-like aspect. Mommy said no and the child wonders why. Plus there is the thrill of doing something just to see if you can get away with it. That's what public executions would do to everyone, cause more crime. It would be like a thrill ride with a riot at the end....... did that make any sense? I'm asleep right now

I love the idea of public executions! But they need to be interesting....not the nice happy ways we are executing people. Instead of Lethal Injection, we bring back Beheadings! Instead of the Gas Chamber, we burn'em at the stake! WE need to put back fear in the Death Penalty. And we need to put it all on PAY-PER-VIEW!

In the old west they had public executions, lots of them; it did little for crime, people became so blood thirsty that hangings were served for lesser and lesser crimes, which is why it became unconstitutional and deemed inhumane.

I agree with Khayman up there at the top and George Carlin.
If we used public exicutions for death row, then so many nasty people wouldn't wait for 20 on death row. It would save a hell of alot of money and people would love it. Plus, I think there would be a drop in crime due to the fact that you wouldn't sit on death row for 1/4 of your life just waiting and watching cable tv, no job no nothing. People would have something to fear.

i think it would help speed up the exicution process but it prolly wouldnt do much for ccrime rates or anything just one more way to die

I think it would make much more people calice to violent death, not that im against public execution, but i do think it would change the world as we americans(and any other nationality without public execution) know it.

IN some places they still have P.E. You can see some of them on the video Faces of Death. I don't have weak stomach but let me tell you some of the things I have seen on those movies can gross even me out. The only bad thing about P.E. is the innocent factor. With some people that have been on death row and then proven to be innocent. An innocent person's life maybe at stake... or on the stake. Once they are gone.. there is no turning back then.. I have kinda of mixed opinions on it. Maybe even now and then a random beheading or burning to give the criminals a scare.. Sometimes I have to much of a soft heart...

Hmm would be a good idea should teach ppl not to kill others then again you have the ppl with sick and twisted mines that would enjoy it

public exicutions...hmmm....it depends on the crime...i like the saying an eye for an eye...if you shoot someone then someone should shoot you...if you hang someone then you should be hanged......but hey thats just my opinion...take it or leave it

My dad says that if they did the crime, we should be able to see it happen

I'm 100% pro on this thread

I'm all for it! Make an example out of murderers, rapests, and child molesters..then put thier heads on pikes so people can see what will happen if they break the law. Let them see that we don't tolerate it, and let you off with a slap on the wrist... I guess I'm just sick like that :::shrugs:::

I agree with mslefaye. She has some valid points.

Also, I don't think a person should be allowed to sit on death row for 1/4 to 1/2 their life, if they are sentenced to die, give them 2 appeals, that is 3 chances for a jury to either agree or disagree with the decision.

There have been several people on death row who have wrote books, received law degrees, get good educations and for what? For them to get 3 squares a day and a bed to sleep in and everything they need and they are getting if for free.

I don't think this should be allowed to happen any longer.

I have to say..bring them back! Seeing is believing.. Actions speak louder than words..A major deterrant, rather than the soft slap on the wrist criminals get now which in turn allows them to get out of our so called easy prisons and commit crime again.

the only way execution would be a deterrent to crime is to use it for all crimes....without wait.....
the police show up at a crimescene.....and put one in your head then and there.....
I disagree with this idea....but it's really the only way it would not end up the morbid entertainment it was in revolutionary france....

MsLeFaye: You are right on the button about the America having the lowest *crime* stats v Europe, but according to the following stats mistaken about the murder rate. The murder rate in the USA is extremely high and much more per capita 100,000 than in the UK. This is probably the reason why public executions have to take place there in some States to act as a deterrent. In my opinion that would not work anyway considering that majority of people who commit a murder probably think they would never get caught, and so go ahead with the act. As for myself I have mixed feelings about the death penalty. In extreme cases, I'd say yes, *off with the head* As for the public watching the said execution for entertainment value, well I think that is just sick and moronic.

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Here are Interpol 2001 crime statistics (rate per 100,000):
4161 - US
7736 - Germany
6941 - France
9927 - England and Wales

Thus the US has a substantially lower crime rate than the major European countries!

. . .

[The US] murder rate is high largely due to the multicultural nature of our society. Inner city blacks, members of a distinct subculture, have a vastly higher criminal and victim homicide rate than our society as an average:

Homicide Offender Rate/100,000 by Race in US (2000):

3.4 - White
25.8 - Black
3.2 - Other

It is often hypothesized that blacks are overrepresented in murder statistics due to racism on the part of police and the justice system. If this were true, one would expect that the race of victims would have significantly different distribution than the race of the perpetrators, but this is not the case:

Homicide Victim Rate/100,000 by Race in US (2000):

3.3 - White
20.5 - Black
2.7 - Other

Thus if you remove homicides committed by blacks (total: 21862, Blacks:9316), and assume a proportionality between number of offenders and number of offenses, you can extrapolate US homicide offender rate of only 2.6/100,000, lower than Germany (3.27) and France (3.91).

Reference: http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/004236.html

I belive any kind of punishment that is sentenced to a person should be decided by the victims or the victims family. And the sentence should be carried out infront of the family of the victim.

I have a question.

Have any of you... in real life.. actually SEEN an execution? Of either a criminal thats wronged a family member/friend or of a family member friend??

I dont mean a Blood or Crip or MS13 has made you kneel so they can put one...or fifty... in ya...

I mean a state sanctioned execution?
Electric chair, firign squad, hanging, ect...

Have you seen one?

public executions would be fun to watch it would bring out all the psychos such as chucktheferretgod

Off with their heads

Chop

Chop

Chop

the day society hungers for such television is the day rather the rate moves up or down, the types of crimes commented would be of the most vilest. satisfing a hunger like that would surpass the worries of crime rate. -Even the abodes of Hades shall shun its stinch!

Im sure it would be a means of cheap entertainment but Im sure some people would get a kick out of it. I think it should be done because it would be a hell of alot better than watching survivor or any other "reality" TV show.

I laugh as I read threw this thread.. not that the thread is funny but because of the people saying " bring it back! It would be great entertainment!" When in reality. IF they even went to watch one I am sure thats all they would watch if any. I have a feeling that most the people that sit here and say let me watch dosen't realize the smells, the gore, the sounds and many other things that go along with it like Dami said. The sounds of someone screaming as thier flesh gets cripened from fire, I am sure still ring in peoples ears till this day. The flash backs of someone's head rolling off a platform into a crowd of people still horrifies people if they seen it. Even the cracks of peoples necks as boxes get kicked out from under them while they hang from a rope above the ground. The memories, flashbacks, and even terrors have probably drove many insane not being able to get it out of thier head. I know I wouldn't want to watch P.E. I would be one of the people that couldn't get the screams, smells, or sight out of my mind. I cringe even thinking about it now.

Oh my, what gruesome photos Dami. To think that in early England it used to be the witch hunts, following by the ducking stool.( I believe it was..if they drowned they were not a witch and if they didn't drown, they were burned at the stake) How did Joan of Arc feel.. thank goodness she had her faith.

Hellchild & Countess -always count on these two to KEEP IT REAL!

In my opinion, i think it would be both. Yeah, the crime rate will probably go down when they see that they aren't just going to get a slap on the wrist anymore. But on the other side, with entertainment, i believe that would be true also. There are going to be those people that just sit there watching it happen and wishing it was just a little more gorey or that it would last just a little bit longer

Ya know Flux .. I'm not sure wither to take that as a compliment or a complaint ... no need to verify .. but I want to add this ... yes agreeably for a very short period of time crime rates my drop if Public Executions were re-initiated, but then crime rates would go back to being what they are ... just for the simple fact that it's human nature to push and push the limits just to see what you can get away with. All I am saying to those of you who are so gung ho to watch public executions ... maybe you should seriously sit down with people in a country where it still goes on ... and ask them what it's truly like ..

Those pictures I posted aren't even from public executions .. they were only to give people an idea of what it would look like ... I think if I were to dig deep enough I could find actual public execution photos, do you want me to??? LOL

DAMI! that is a complement!

Do it.

I must say this, it would and wouldn't reduce crime, but it would increase the outcry to get rid of it

would and wouldnt reduce crime....


one or the other sugar...

cant have both in this case.

there are so many way to answer this question and so many other factors to this.

no one has the right to kill anyone but you should defend yourself from the people who seek to wrong you. I could see public excutions scaring some people from not doing crime. entertainment? fuck no! then again some sick twisted mind people want to die in the public eye your just giving them what they want. I think the crime has to be really extreme in which they are better dead then alive.

I also think prisions are a good thing unless someone has a better idea on what to do with people who has done something wrong to you. would you want them walking free on the streets with no punishment and they could easily do it again.

there are too many factors that affect the world and no one choice for something.

i totally agree w/ countess and dami.
and besides the fact that you see a criminal daying its ot going to bring back the persons he killed or its not going to make things better.

more people death, more work for angels, more people to hell I think, that's not god's lecture...

badly burned and disfigured. [N. 15.] There is considerable evidence suggesting that death inflicted by electrocution is anything but instantaneous or painless. [N. 16.]


This is a testamony as to what happened when it was watched...
At 8:30 p.m. the first jolt of 1900 volts of electricity passed through Mr. Evans' body. It lasted thirty sec- onds. Sparks and flames erupted from the electrode tied to Mr. Evans' left leg. His body slammed against the straps holding him in the electric chair and his fist clenched permanently. The electrode apparently burst from the strap holding it in place. A large puff of greyish smoke and sparks poured out from under the hood that covered Mr. Evans' face. An overpowering stench of burnt flesh and clothing began pervading the witness room. Two doctors examined Mr. Evans and declared that he was not dead.
The electrode on the left leg was refastened. At 8:30 p.m. Mr. Evans was administered a second thirty second jolt of electricity. The stench of burning flesh was nauseating. More smoke emanated from his leg and head. Again, the doctors examined Mr. Evans. The doctors reported that his heart was still beating, and that he was still alive.

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At 8:40 p.m., a third charge of electricity, thirty seconds in duration, was passed through Mr. Evans' body. At 8:44, the doctors pronounced him dead. The execution of John Evans took fourteen minutes.[N. 42.]

These are the steps that are taking during this procedure..

Electrocution Procedure



The protocol to execute a prisoner in most states is as follows:


A. Prior to the execution of a member of the condemned's head and left calf will be shaved. An hour or so before the execution, the sponges that will be attached to his body with the electrodes will be soaked in a carefully measured amount of salt water. Five members of the execution team and Defendant Parker will walk to the inmate's cell and take him to the electric chair. The inmate won't be sedated.
B. Simultaneously, a team will place leather straps around the legs, arms and chest, and place electrodes on the head and leg. The team will have practiced daily by then, so the process of readying the inmate should take 30 to 45 seconds.
C. The Warden will ask the inmate if he has any last words. A hood will be drawn over his head.

D. Then 2,400 volts will be delivered for seven seconds, followed by 600 volts for 17 seconds; the process will be repeated. After five minutes, a physician will check the heartbeat. If the heart is still beating, the voltage will be delivered again.[N. 17.]

Mind you. that "D" also means if the something happens to the chair in the middle of the penalty lost of power, shortage, switch is turn off to quickly, etc... the person is still alive with basically a body that has been cooked. It is aslo said that they repeat the procedure in order to make sure that the person is still dead.


This is a link of a few other devices used in the death penalty

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The mental wear and tear on a executioner has to be unbearable.

There was a man that blew his brains out 2 years after retiring. There was also a case of another man that killed himself in his own basement.

It is said that the person throwing the swtich wears a hood so that he or she is not reconized. A normal family man worked as an executioner he would change the license plate on his car in the garage before he went and did his duty. His children knew what he did. Wouldn't that have some kind of effect on thier life also. Not to mention the years and years of doing it. As I posted before the smell, the sounds, the voices, etc. Waking up in your sleep to night terrors due to this. The smell that never goes away.

A man that worked as an "I'd pull the switch and eat spaghetti. Bzzzzzzzzz," one of them remarks.

Isn't that a rather sadist quote?

The big picture is not that to kil for a kill or crime but, there are many other things that this influences. To every action there is a re-action. Something that may never be erased from many peoples minds.

I won't get into the topic of the witch hunts......that would end me up writing a book......but however you look at it the most likely thing would be execution ending up a spectacle for the morbid....history has repeatedly shown this...

I don't know if it would be wise or not to do such things. Just imagine how many innocents were hung and on death row today? I think if you see someone in a store stealing, just get on the store mic and do what i did.....embarrass them by describing what they look like and where they are standing, and what they stole. LOL It works.

What I wanna know is why they swab the arm with an alcohol prep pad prior to giving you the needles for your lethal injection.

if we get Public executions on TV, just think of the wicked home videos
the imaginations of some ppl
-gross-

oh come now jason.....we wouldn't want thwm exposed to any infections now...that would be inhumane......

In norway we don't execute people (thank god), the maximum penalty in norway is 21 years. One cannot get more than this, after 21 years they see if you are "ok" enough to let out, if not... Well, you get the idea...

I think that if people who have a chance to return to society if they just work for it, should be shown what lies down the line if they don't work for it... But that owuld make it ok to execute people! And I won't have that!!!

So, I say: Nay, no public executions!

If they still exist is because they're the best form of punishment not only for the criminal but to teach a lesson to the rest

Too many pro's and cons really but I think it could go either way if it were to be seriously considered.
My personal opinion if your going to do it (execute someone) do it privately and humanely but "accidentally" let slip of how dehumanizing and painful it was for the offender and that alone would be a better deterent

I know that was probably intended to be a humorous comment but the alcohol pad actually has a purpose...

It's for the Governors stay of execution.
If the intended gets a stay and the needle is already in their arm... without said swab... BIG law suits.

But Im sure you know that :)

all the killing would be scary at first but then just be a form of entertainment, im sure eventually they would have to make the deaths more dramatic by showing family reactions just to keep the ratings up on it.... or they may just turn the movie "Running Man" into reality ya know?

I think the public executions would be good cause it would tell people you mess up ur gone no more chances in jail, and no more haveing to be someones b***h just cause ur stuck with them.

It is cheap entertainment, but at the same time will drive fear into the mindless beings, in some cases it might make some order, others it will cause wars of protest and all that other good stuff. It would be nice to have a couple though.

Actually i think it would be great for store theft
" We need a price check for register 2 and for a limited time only ladies and gentlemen, there will be a store hangin' on aisle 13 for hair color theft. Thank you for shopping at walmart."

it shows no respect if thats how they want to die then so be it but a death should be respectfull

Death should be respectfull for those who were respectfull.

If someone raped beat and murdered your entire family, would you wish a peacfull, repectfull death on them? Even though they didnt see fit for your 4 year old kid?

Ok wait a minute .. now I have to take the sides of the victim and their families ... I'm not against the death penalty by any means .. In many ways I think if a person commits murder however they do it, then they should pay the price .. I don't think public executions will do much to deter crime in the long run .. but can you honestly say to a victims family who has been brutally raped, then strangled or had their throat slit open, or to someone's family who’s son or daughter (whoever) that has been gunned down in cold blood; or to the victims of a serial killer that the person that committed the crime... that their death should be respectful???? Was the death of their victim respectable???? I highly doubt that many consider a person begging for their lives while they are being killed is a very respectable way to die ....

There are way too many people riding out their lives on death row in this country because people think the death penalty is inhuman .. well tell that to the victims and their families ... and before anyone says something .... my whole standing on this thread has been that I seriously don't think that too many people could stomach public executions in this day and age, and that it would NOT do as much as people belive to cut back on crime ...

My idea of fun would be to get the people that think it should be public in a huge room.. then do an exacution.... and then take bets on who would yack, cry, or scream first....


Now wouldn't that be great family fun kids!!!!

I ' am not against the death penalty. I just don't think it should be public..

Im saying I see no problem with televising it.

I was just telling someone that people today have a shifting sense of morality.

It's ok to spend good money taking your kids to the movies to see brotha man in a hockey mask rise from the lake and chop all the campers to bits (sorry, baby)...
Hell, give him a star on the walk of fame and lets make t-shirts idolizing him...

But really it's not appropriate for little Timmy over here to be seeing someone hanged... or electrocuted... ect because it's actually happening.

It's a blatant fact that children these days, given the rash of poor or completely ABSENT parenting, CANNOT discern the difference between television and real life.
This is where GOOD parenting comes in.
I knew when I was a child that these things on tv werent actually happening to the person I was watching. I knew my father was very capable of shooting and killing a person while on duty.
I KNOW what a lethal injection looks like and I KNOW what an electrocution SMELLS like.
I know what the inside of a gas chamber looks like and I KNOW the subtle science of hanging a man.

I've seen them done.
All of them.

Now... that being said...
I, obviously having read all that, have no problem with public executions.
I think they'll server a greater purpose than telling your child who is misbehaving in the local Wal-Mart that you're gonna call the cops and theyre gonna come arrest them and take them away if they dont stop misbehaving.
THATS bullshit. Parenting like THAT is what causes people to be afraid of the police and therefor prefer crime to happen QUIETLY than report it.

THAT.... ladies and gentleman... is WAY more of a deterrant to crime than watching a convicted murderer, rapist and child molester get "Hung by the neck till he be DEAD.. DEAD.. DEAD."

Televising...amking it public in any form is where im gettin at with that first line... O_o

i said deterrant. I meant cause.

Forgive a fevered rant. O_o

I am against execution because of that one reason if we hide it from people and call it a crime deterent. I say if were goign to show the consequences for such "hainus" crimes we should uhm SHOW it. but no they hide it.

It depends on who the onlooker is; if they think it is a cheap thrill or a detourant for crime. But all in all, it should be brought back somewhere.

My belief is BRING IT ON! If you kill we will kill you back.. it would help get it through some peoples heads that we don't play.. But noooo the gonvernment has to go off and do all this shit like keeping them on death row untill they die. I believe that if you fess up to the crime or it has been proven numerous times that you did it... I say just drag them out to the middle of some street and let people beat them to death.. Teach them..

Iffy subject there for me... I'm not really sure...

i'm all for public executions. some of the criminals out there get off entirely too easy with just lethal injection. they should feel the pain that they've inflicted upon their victims and their families.

It would keep me good.

kill them! they killed us....now they get whats coming for them! avenge those who were killed!

Public executions
It wont change crime but it'll be a great form of entretainment.
Makes me think about the Romans and the Coliseum.

I think they should go for it.

it would be great entertainment for ppl...but it could semi help lower crime depending on the person and crime...i say do it humiliate the bastard who decide to kill a defenseless 4 yr old cuz he was drunk or felt like it...make him or her feel the pain and terror his victim felt

kill em' all!

it would be a cheap form of entertainment ( i would watch tho) only, there are place that chop of your hand if your cought tealing, an if your convicted of rape? yes thay chop of that part of the male anatamy, thos are the punishment for thos crimes in some countres an it hasent stoped crime there so... well, NUFF SAID

Iv read some of the other post an other threads, no one has mentiond (that iv read any way) that if we were abil to provide a better chance of opertunity for the genrial public that mabe the citizens wouldnt have to resort to crime as a means to suport them selves, but then again there are people that want for no matter how much thay have an well do any thing to get it. well... never mind i just counterd my own point.
i hate it when i do that.

Definately and interesting concept...

I think, however, with how apathetic the world has grown it wouldn't have much of an impact....

stone to death? nice!

As i read this post i thought to myself, has anyone here even seen someone die? Its not like in the movies it is alot more subtle and in most cases slower. If you really want to see what you would be in for i suggest you look at the videos circulating around the internet of taliban executions and the latest Serbian video to surface. I think many of you will change your mind after seeing someone die.

Public executions would be a sick and counter-productive step towards dealing with crime. If a society must deal with crimes, do so without feeding the other chronic criminals and their fans. Just my thoughts...
~Lady~

Thank you Daire ... that has been my point all along ... if people were to actually see someone dying before their eyes they would have a totally different view point ... I've seen many of the videos in which you've spoken of online and quite honestly many of them bring tears to my eyes and sickness to my stomach ... I for one could NEVER watch a public execution

I am all for it. It wouldn't stop serial killers, but maybe some punk kid would think twice before doing a drive-by or beating someone to death just for giggles.

i like the idea truely.. i think twould be interesting to watch... and even more to be the executioner... think of the enemies you'd get if the're friend knew twas you... =}

executions should be kept a private matter.

would have box seats for it. helps deture crime

I wish to the gods you were right Daire...but I have seen those clips...and I have seen someone die.....and it just didn't affect me all that much.....
actually my coldness concerning human death bothers me far more than the death itself.......wish i knew why....

i dont think public exicutions would help the crime rate at all, but i do think that they would make this world an even worse place then it already is.

i think it would just be pure entertainment... but good entertainment, i dont know if id like my kids seeing it though... might fuck them up a bit :/

I cannot agree with public execution I think it would only serve to de sensitise people and serve to cheapen human life I do however believe in a death sentence and punishment by torture for certain criminal acts which involve harm being done to others to desuade criminals from committing such crimes

I don't think executions should be a private matter.

Now, given, there are people acused and convicted of crimes they didn't commit.
HOWEVER... that's what appeals and habious corpus are for.

Now... for those that did commit the crime?
If they beat, raped, sodomised and tourtured my 10 year old kid for days on end before their tiny little body just gave in...

I say make it a public execution.

If they leveled one of the landmarks of the America we know today... inturn killing thousands of innocent people?...

Make it public.

There are crimes for which there should be no sensitivity to their punishment(s).

I just realized how difficult it is to be serious with an avatar like this.

Cheers on bringin' back this thread btw...

Good question, Daire...
Yeah, I have..sadly, seen someone die..or PEOPLE die actually..shot..point blank..and also people who rammed an electric post, saw their bodies gush out of the windshield..arggh...sad..
*sighs..

Having read Kings post we must all remember that the poster in this forum also live in different parts of the world where executions are all handled differently.

King is in the Phillippines.
Most of the people on the Rave are in the States.
A lot of people in the states... if not most... lead very sheltered lives according to the violence that surrounds us.

Hence a lot of "nay"s on this particular thought.

S&M... The Middle East... Africa... these countries are known to carry out their executions in the middle of the street...

While their court systems are in dire need of some help... I see no problem with this.
Of course... America's court systems are in dire need of help... hence the reason a pack of cigarettes cost's almost $5 here in Richmond... God only knows what they are in New York now...

People in the states are more concerned with plastic surgery and Pilates classes than they are about getting important things done with the way this country is run.

I could go on... but my point was to mind WHERE a person is posting from in the great big world... their outlooks are usually shaped by their surroundings.
;)

I believe that death as a punishment should be..But ONLY if they are 100% sure beyond a shadow of a soubt...

...Hence my point on the legal systems and the court systems.

;)

VIVE LA REVOLUTION. take his arse to the guillotine!!! yes yes *takes out my popcorn* god yes it would be cheap entertainment and it would reduce crime but there would be a lot of arcusation just so you can see someone hanged, guillotined w/e. so yeah not such a great idea

Again...
Hence court systems.

They're not immediate punishments.

as ms faye said 15 min of fame i don't think it would be a good idea to have public executions cause some might like been on tv and in history they want to be rembered for what they did it would be a rush for them to know that they would be in the minds of people for years and years to come i mean some people would let there kids see it as to say look what happens to bad people and every kid would be scared and tromatized and that just may get others with a god complx to be like (oh he killed five people i bet i can do better) cause what way can a mad man have inpact be on tv and say ur last words to the world but thats just how i see it

I believe public execution is a good thing. Just look at all th eother countries that still have public executions and public corporal punishment. Their serious crimes are lower than ours and also I feel it would be a good way to speed up the execution of the people on death row. Hell one inmate one bullet, cheaper than the gas chamber or electric chair.

No first world or second world country has public executions as far as i am aware. So you cant say "look at all the other countries". Also in the countries that do have public execution the people are not executed for murder or rape. The majority of people executed are political prisoners or people guilty of breaking some sort of religious code of conduct.

Sorry I should have clarified that alittle better. As far as public execution you are correct. But as far as public punishment that is another story.

Ahhhhhhhhhh the guillotine! HOW I MISS IT!

I think it would turn into a speticle rather than just getting rid of the unwanted low lifes in society.

I believe that public executions in the form of a deterant would work quite the opposite to the way many would expect. Have people being killed broadcasted on tv would eventually desensitize the population to it and thus it would actually lose its effectiveness as would the entire system I think. It would also become boring and the norm... One person getting fried is much like the next... You would have to step it up a notch eventually... Live torture or something but then the same thing would happen to that.... Then what would you do? We would have a world so desensitized they could go around killing their own siblings without batting an eye... Quite the opposite of what I would expect you would want...

I have seen many people die, in war, In hospital, friends, and non friends alike, and i firmly believe that there is nothing interesting or nice with watching someone who is about to die, or is dying!!!!! Sorry but thats my thought!

No first world or second world country has public executions as far as i am aware. So you cant say "look at all the other countries". Also in the countries that do have public execution the people are not executed for murder or rape. The majority of people executed are political prisoners or people guilty of breaking some sort of religious code of conduct.


True on the religious and code of conduct facts.

Question... where in my rant did I mention first second or third world countries?
I didnt specify WHAT they were being executed for... just that they were in fact executed.

I'm closing this just for sheer length!!
But for my 2 cents .. yes dami I have smelt an operating room .. and for DAMNED sure smelled an autopsy *retches at the thought of the last one* Anyways yes good topic I enjoyed the read!